You cannot draw Cubes (yet!)
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- čas přidán 9. 02. 2022
- Being able to draw cubes is incredibly useful, and checking whether you really understood cubes can be done with the Box-Council-Test!
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dude believe it or not here is my story. ive been trying to get better at drawing for a very long time but last month, i realized the thing that im missing is foundation so i decided to draw cubes and cylinders in 3 point perspective. i would first trace, then copy, then from memory, then imagination. my ability to draw from imagination got exponentially better almost overnight its ridiculous. to think that all these years, i couldve saved so much time and energy by just studying this simple thing hahaha. sometimes the thing we need to is too simple so we dismiss it, thinking we need to have something more complex. funny coincidence since somehow youtube recommend your video today, just after i realized this lol.
Haha that's quite similar to my story! I thought 'why bothering with cubes, I am struggling with bodies!' xD It's crazy how such false assumptions can hold you back ^^
And intersecting cubes and cylinders etc (drawing them first slightly over each other, then decide where they intersect) did help so much! In general, having simple bodies interact with each other
@@phipsart6424 I will try the intersecting next cheers!
Is there any way you can go more into this? I’ve been trying this for a little bit but nothing crazy is happening for me lol
@@rainydays070 draw it from all the angles, then draw from imagination. slowly you will build your ability to draw 3 point perspective and apply that to other forms or combination of
@@rainydays070 Can you already draw cubes from different angles? If not, maybe that is a good thing to practice. I also can give tips for that. Or can you already draw cubes? Then.. I got some other tips^^
your videos are so informative and useful! are you planning to upload more frequently? im also waiting for the next part of perspective which talks about developing intuition and spatial awareness...
thank you! I would not say frequently, but I have 2 concrete video ideas planned, one of them being the intuition for perspective. I am kind of sorry to have it announced so long ago and not being able to keep up with it.
To give a preview to spatial imagination: I recommend to draw your surrounding, like I did at minute 2 in my perspective video. It does not need to be super serious or accurate, but if you try it some times, eventually you will land in situations, where you really are forced to imagine how lines are running, and to imagine how it will look like. You get a feeling for receding lines etc. I had a moment where it kind of clicked in my mind. Not like all my problems were solved then, but it certainly was a little jump in learning it ^^
Next part is here
Thanks Phip! I’m gonna use this for warm ups now
I remember watching this video and it blowing my mind, I incorporated it into a lot of my practice and it certainly has helped my art quite a lot. Thank you for this simple but very important tip
Very happy to read that :)
If you find other practices useful for this topic feel free to share!
Some of the best perspective videos on CZcams. Thanks a bunch
I'm glad it helps :)
I watched all of your videos in one sitting. Your videos are deep. Especially, none taught me about perspective like you.
As I am just a beginner, can you recommend me a course where I can learn all basics to advance in depth?
DrawABox is very good and very basic! You kind of learn to draw cubes and perspective, drawing with the arm, ghosting of lines, etc. However it's rather technical and requires some effort - I would not recommend it if you really just start with drawing. Then I would recommend something which is more rewarding immediately, like redrawing stuff you like. It's a good way to have fun, learn something and get rewarded. If in the beginning you go too hard with technical stuff like DrawABox, this may take away the joy, which of course is the most important thing. Hope that helps!
@@phipsart6424 Your messages is always so clear and well guided. Thanks
Awesome channel! Also I would love to see you do a video explaining how to rotate and turn the cubes!
I planned to make a collection of all kinds of exercises for this and spatial imagination, but I cannot promise that it will come soon. But I would recommend DrawABox, which is a nice and free online course. I think this is a really good start, you first draw with guidelines from vanishing points, then you omit the guidelines, then you even omit the vanishing points (there it's called 'ghosting' iirc). And what was a further leap for me, was doing drawings like at 1:30 in this video, intersecting all those bodies etc.
And if you are interested, I have another video for spatial imagination:
czcams.com/video/IWFO_9TPAFI/video.html
Thanks for your comment!
I really laugh and said "b*tch" outloud at 0:53
I already have subscribe to your channel It promises to be interesting
this exercise is very good practice for hinging, i think its necessary to understand elipses first
yes, ellipses help on this very much! But also without it, I think it helps a lot to try to imagine how the lines of the second cubes need to go
What were your specific training methods to learn to draw the hinged cube? Should each person invent their own way to train cubes?
You can for example do it like DrawABox, which is a free online course. There you first draw cubes with guidelines from vanishing points, and then you learn to omit the guidelines, and eventually omit the vanishing points. For example. If you have an intuition about cubes from different perspectives then, you can resharp it in many ways i guess. Like having cubes interact with each other. For example if you make a screenshot of a scene, and draw over it and try to make a cube standing on the ground. Or the hinging thing. I mean, just by imagining how it needs to look like, this is a nice task where you can improve in my opinion. Or intersect bodies, like at 1:30 in my video. Etc. Hope this helps!
I've drawn alot of boxes, in fact, I've done the 250 box challenge twice, but I gotta admit I stumbled a bit figuring out wich convergences the cubes will share. I wondered how people freehanded cubes and geoforms at the same depth. I saw it a lot in bridgman. This simple video filled a pretty substantial gap in my knowledge. Cant hope for much more than that.
Very happy to read that!
As a suggestion, maybe now you can try to intersect bodies, like I showed at 1:30. From what you wrote, this may be the perfect thing to practice and improve for you atm.
@@phipsart6424 Yeah I've done alot of those as well I remember a while back I would spend hours rolling dice(assigned to all the basic forms cone, cube, cylinder, etc) and just randomly keep inserting them into one another. Not focused on structer to much right now though I'm working my way through Kimon Nicoliades' 'Natural Way to draw', so I'm doing a lot of instinctive gestural stuff.
@@johntorres9992 Can you recommend it? Or any other literature?
@@phipsart6424 I think Nicoliades is something very useful for people who are trying to learn how to draw the human figure, especially if your designing your own curriculum. I was introduced to it by proko(specifically what Marshall had to say about it). That being said, Its a very hard regiment to commit to, but overall I think its contents have a lot of valuable exercersies and knowledge. I've been toying with the idea of doing a series of videos on it myself but I'm not sure if I should finish it's curriculum on it before then, or just start now while my insights are all fresh. That being said There are not many art books that I've personally experienced enough to justify a recommendation(only have been drawing for approximately a year and a half). the two I can think of are Rendering in Pen and Ink by Watson Guptil and Creative Perspective for artists and illustrators by Ernest W. Watson (Still working through this one as well but I have a feeling its what I need to make use of all my fundamentals training and actually produce illustrations)
I feel I should also add Nicoliades isn't only about the human figure its just a primary focus of the book.
@@johntorres9992 Thank you for that detailed answer! Maybe I check them out, there is so much to learn for me as well in these fields.
As for your thought about making videos on your own while insights are fresh: I did the same, when I started here on YT. I do not regret it, and of course some kind of start was needed. But since my first videos, big changes in my focus and what I consider as important have happened. So, conveying fresh insights of course may be more useful or valuable, but it may (probably will) happen, that time will put these insights into another perspective. So, there is also a benefit, if you first let what you have learned settle a bit, and view it from some distance.
Jep, amazing. Thanks again...
this is such a helpful video. i started with drawabox and slowly got a little better at drawing single boxes. Then another artist (SteveSketches he's amazing) whose process I watch on twitch suggested to draw multiple boxes & objects together. I realized this was the next step to be taken and I found this video so im grateful. I wanted to ask you how do I practice all this (like the examples you showed in the video)? I feel like I need to have some guideline or some template for these exercises so that I can see where I'm going wrong + what to tackle next. is there a book or some online resource you referred to? drawabox is so good but I wished they also covered a section on drawing multiple objects together because im very confused...plz give me some advice...like I also took vandruff's persp course its great but he doesn't go in detail on how to do the exercises its more conceptual...
So in particular when I draw intersecting bodies, I first draw lets say a cube with light pressure, and then I draw a cylinder over it with light pressure. Then I decide a point where they should intersect, and try to figure out all intersection lines and draw bold over everything. Does this make sense?
Also, recently for example I drew mechanical tools in perspective. Like hammers, tongs, etc. These are great to study and practice since they often are made out of basic forms. You also can practice proportion and it is relatively easy to tell whether you did a good job or not since their forms are very familiar. So they give you very good feedback
@@phipsart6424 okay thank you, this helps a lot!! i think drawing tools, basic every day objects is a great idea. usually i try to find free blender models -> draw objects in persp -> compare with model but that takes too much time. i think i'll try winging it and take some photos of real life objects from diff angles. i learn alot faster when i have something to compare my drawing to. again, this helps thanks so much for giving such a detailed reply! hope your journey of becoming an art god is going great :>
Great video, you should upload more. My 2 cubes came out ok, not perfect but fine🤗🤗🤗
Don't leave it at 2 cubes ;)
Bro thank you for not repeating the usual art "tips" like all other channels but instead doing your own research.
Thanks, hope it helps! I gotta say, I always felt like what many tutorials teach was missing something, I could not get a grasp on what they say about figure drawing, values etc. Only now, and only slowly it starts making sense.
@@phipsart6424 I couldn't agree more! It's quite baffling to realize that there is still so much untapped potential in art education. Especially in teaching people the right methods to gain knowledge for themselves. I will check out your perspective video next!
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Gerade gesehen dass du deutsch bist, also beste Grüße!
@@jascha9033 I think there is a reason why many topics are not layed out more clear, and it has to do with not demotivating and intimidating people. If an artist made an experience and learned something, it may be completely clear to him, but require a ton of words to describe. So I think most of them just give some hints about what is important, to let people figure it out on their own.
Liebe Grüße :)
Goddamit, Thankyou!!
I draw a Cube sphere and cylinder for warm up...
I guess the only constant has to be the center point.
The vanishing points can be randomly moved as long as we keep the proportions and the objects will still make sense in space no?
Not sure if I get your question right, but the center point is always the middle of the image. If you take the 3 VPs of a cube, one of them can be really anywhere on the view plane, the second one can be on a certain line, and the 3rd one is uniquely defined then. If that does not answer your question pls ask again!
Hello sir. I bow my head to you for the perspective video. However, can you please explain to my not-so-smart self. If we take a box in 2 point perspective. And then try to hinge it. Do we now become not perpendicular to any guideline? Will the hinged box be in 3 point perspective while the original box will stay in 2 point perspective? Huge thanks! You are a legend!
It depends on on which edge you hinge it. If you hinge it in a way that they both are lying on the ground (like here, in an other video of mine, at 8:20 czcams.com/video/Mtsv1IpjUgs/video.html& ) then it is the same situation as for the first cube: One still does look perpendicular on the guideline pointing up/downwards. But I guess you are more interested in the other case, where you hinge it with one of the edges that are parallel to the ground. So, you rotate around one of the edges that have a vanishing point on the horizon. So when doing this rotation, the corresponding vanishing point will not move. The other 2 vanishing points however do move. The second VP that lied on the horizon will now lie below or above the horizon. And now, have a brief look for example at 32:58 in the perspective video czcams.com/video/YDanHdjPJVs/video.html
With the altitudes you can get the 3rd VP. You will find, that because the 2nd VP does not lie on the horizon anymore (or more general: the line connecting VP1 and VP2 does not run exactly through the middle of the image (center point) anymore), the 3rd VP will not lie in infinity. And therefore it is a 3-point perspective, and no 2-point perspective anymore.
Does this make sense to you? Thanks for your comment!
@@phipsart6424 Thanks. The way it switches from 2pp to 3pp is counter-intuitive. And in my sketches it still looks counter-intuitive.
@@a7ccel Then most likely the placement of the new VPs is a bit off. Make sure the cube is located where the altitudes of the VP-triangle meet. Or maybe also edges of the cube do not converge into VPs. Probably you should check this first.
However drawing cubes with VPs is very technical on this level, and you may find an easier access to drawing cubes or drawing in perspective in general. Maybe you check out this video, the very first exercise, 'Observational Drawing'. It is a more intuitive approach.
czcams.com/video/Mtsv1IpjUgs/video.html
This is great, but I dont think you should limit it to two boxes, instead build a larger scene with boxes hinging each other arbitrarily
That may be the next step :)
i already take drawabox and a paid course but my cubes are a horror movie haha, thats funny but also a little sad
:D don't give up! Maybe your 'ghosting' of lines is too inaccurate, or maybe the placement of your vanishing points?
(right now I am working on a video with all kinds of exercises for spatial imagination)
lets go mine both are good!!
Then don't stop here ;) Try some more, and maybe try to intersect bodies like I showed at 1:30. I learned so much from this
@@phipsart6424Sure!!
- Me draw 1 cube in perspective: Oh my god it works. Why i haven't seen it sooner. There are full of formulas available
- Me draw 10+ boxes to create a mannequin doing poses: Uh ... I drew 10 cubes now so how many vanishing points do i have... 30 ? , with each cube require doing calculation about α degree and circle radius ? It took so long already. Time to move to instinctive drawing
Ah hello again, I just answered your comment on the other video and pointed to this one^^
Yeah, calculating does not make so much sense or fun at many cubes. This I would at most use for a big cube defining the whole perspective. Other than that, it might be the time to move to instinctive drawing as you say ;)
i don’t know how to master it!
Maybe first draw them with vanishing points. After some practice, skip drawing the guidelines, and after that skip the vanishing points. Of course there are also other things you can do. Soon I will publish a video with 8 exercises concerning spatial imagination, so stay tuned!
@@phipsart6424thanks! i'm looking forward!
how to do it while rotating in fish eye view?
see the other comment :)
Not sure why you deleted our discussion but the only critique I have for your video is that what you are drawing is not a cube.
I did not delete anything.
Was it you, with whom I did discuss about DrawABox?
@@phipsart6424 Yes I was the one who discussed with you about Draw A Box. I do not see our discussion in the comments section.
@@radjax2574
Me neither. I went back to the notifications of comments, and indeed it was you.
I however did not delete anything - not a single time for the being of this channel.
Now to me it seems YT deletes comments. I will research this. I also remember a guy asking something recently in the comments, but the comment is not there anymore. I assumed he deleted it, but why would he.
So sorry for the discussion being gone. Feel free to repost what you said, if you wish, I will not delete it.
@@phipsart6424 I don't think it was me who deleted our discussion since the last thing I received was your message and when I went back to youtube to reply the entire comment section was gone so I assumed you went ahead and deleted it. I'll repost it later tonight.
@@radjax2574 Thank you!
I only saw that video being cropped to the first half which left a bad taste in my mouth. It has left impression that the whole point of the video was to put other people down and there's no point to listen to the autor if you wanna learn anything useful.
Where did you see it cropped? Was it uploaded somewhere else? Please tell me!
What I said there was 100% a joke.
@@phipsart6424 it's reassuring to know it was a joke, thank you. Just one guy shared it cropped, nothing more to add, then someone else linked full video to me after few days.
If you don't mind, can you tell me is I should try this exercise if I don't consider my cubes flawless and I know they are not 100% the way I intended them to be? Is it a exercise that fixes the problem or just merely a test?
@@Michanicks
Could you tell me where this was uploaded? I don't want my content to be uploaded by others, and especially not like this.
You don't need to be able to draw perfect cubes for this. It is a nice exercise though. What really helped me is what I show briefly at around 1:30. Intersecting different bodies. If cubes alone are still tricky for you, then draw them with vanishing points, then omit drawing the vanishing points, and only use some guidelines, and eventually omit the guidelines. So step by step you can learn to draw cubes from different perspectives free hand. DrawABox is a free online course which I recommend. There you learn these basics. And imo there is no need to cling so much to flawless cubes. My cubes certainly also are flawed. But being able to intuitively throw some credible cubes on the paper is a very useful skill.
@@phipsart6424 it was shared on the Discord server, you can't do much, don't bother with that. Maybe other people are not offended much, it's just me who is overly emotional and takes everything way too personal.
About your second part of comment, thank you very much for a long answer, but i asked the exact thing i wanted to ask, i already learning basics, practicing different exercises and completing courses, Drawabox included, i only wanted to know if there is point to add your exercise to my routine or that was simply a test about being able to draw just exactly you wanted to draw.
Also, i really don't know what to look for in case them being flawed is ok. I try to do your hinged cubes and they seems to both be fine (or rather, both flawed equally). But there is possibility i, as beginner, missing something critical.
@@Michanicks Thank you.
I would say it is rather a test, but it cannot harm to use it also a bit as an exercise. The biggest jump with spatial imagination I made when I started intersecting bodies like at the point in the video I told you. That really made a difference. If you can draw cubes and cylinders quite ok, then this may be the way to go for you. What I did for instance is this: I sketched a cube and a cylinder over each other, and then I started to decide and to imagine where they would intersect and then I drew the intersections.
Thisvvideo is fcking disturbing. XD
i'm such a loser 😂
That's not what I wanted to say with this video 😁 Maybe you know what you need to practice now?