Machining Angled Bosses on The Mill and Lathe
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
- This video demonstrates the techniques needed to create an identical feature using your choice of a lathe or mill. Take a Look !
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Im a hobby machinist.... so I spend hours in my garage staring at a part and then at my mill and then at my part again.... then go in the house and watch a Joe Pi video. Its a great hobby.
Thats great. I hope you end up back in the garage though.
Many years ago I started off as a hobby machinist and progressed to production/ job in setter/machinist and can empathize with the 'not quite sure on this one, how would Joe do it?' frame of mind, I had dyed in the wool greybeards to show me the way, I'm so glad that there are guys like Joe to teach new guys how to approach this kind of thing on manual machines, not just spouting Gcode, it's a real skill and a treat to watch, hope you learn much! Been out of the business a few years but loving these kinda channels
Joe - Just so you know.. You make my equipment more valuable every time I watch a video. I've said it before here but it bears repeating; I learn more from your vids than ANY other method. Can't thank you enough, and PLEASE keep em coming.
Your depth of knowledge is incredible. I watch your videos eager to learn things that I will probably need to know sometime in the future
...and I look, knowing that I will probably never need know or try to do in my life, all that incredible stuff Joe make and show, but I am fascinated and love it... :))) ! Karl.
Of course the third way is interpolate it in a CNC 😁
Joe is the kind of guy in the shop that the new guys, like myself, latch on to to learn everything there is possible.
Awesome stuff- also even if you think other CZcamsrs have covered a technique I hope you do too. Everyone learns in different styles, your way of teaching resonates with a heck of a lot of people.
Proof that the real job is holding and indicating parts rather than cutting them.
But what did you think of his skill in roughing out the part on the mill? Smoooooth. This guy has the knowledge and the skill to demonstrate it. Impressive stuff
@@nanathannvw He machines the way a cnc would do it. Holding and set-up is 90% of the job.
It's very generous of you to take the time to demonstrate a solution (two solutions) from a viewer's request.
Joe as usalle you make operations look so simple and easy and your explanations make me think why didn't I think of that. Which gives me the understanding and confidence to try what you have taught me. That is a sign of a person that is totally proficient in their expertises and this why your such a good teacher and orator. I am 66 years old and I would pay you to become your apprentice. Thanks for another great vid and please keep them coming.
wonder how many of us are over 60 watching Joe? great instructional content.
Joe, you never cease to amaze me! I'm a hobbyist and may never need to use many of the techniques that you have taught me, but having the knowledge is what I crave. The day that I stop learning is the day that I'm six-feet-under! Thanks for all that you do for the community!
Thanks Guy. I have found that seeing it and storing it away is really helpful. Even if you use a variation of the idea, at least you had a place to start. Good to hear from you.
Count me in on the tooling ball
Top stuff, as usual.
Me too.
that goes for me as well
I would very much like to know what a tooling ball is too
Tickets for me too please
Hi Joe - and thanks from Australia. The internet is like a time machine. Today I can experience and learn from your ideas and presentations completed years ago. The beauty is that they are very good and worthy of preservation. The tragedy is that other preserved presentations do not reach your benchmark. God Bless editorial staff. And thanks for enduring - and stuff the trolls 😉
Its always good to view a few sources to look for consistency. Once you narrow down what approach is sound, look for the guy that does it best.
I had to do a reverse OD "bore" operation once, but not on an angle - locating the protruding feature would be the challenging part. I had not thought of making angle blocks to hold a piece at an angle in the 4-jaw, that is genius! Thanks Joe, I appreciate your insights.
I really appreciate your videos ! I am just a do it yourself farm boy. Need to fix or restore many types of equipment. With many times wondering how it was made. So I can make a replacement part. Many people hack and wack things in my area !
I always want my work to be good as the original. If not even made better. So, Thank you very much for all the information you have shared. Look forward to many more years of great videos !!!
Watching the intro, "no idea how you'd go about this". Within 2 minutes, I now understand both lathe and mill solutions. Another "thanks for educating me and making me think" moment, thanks to Joe Pi.
Looking forward to the tooling ball video. It's been said already but I will second it. Don't worry about overlap with other youtube channels. You are an excellent teacher and I appreciate seeing more than one way to skin a cat.
Hey Joe, don't worry about whether someone else has covered a topic or not. None of us can watch everybody, and everybody has a slightly different take on things anyway (and yours is always good.).
Hobbiest here. That back bore method is really cool. Thank you Joe
I think it is great when someone puts in time to let others enjoy experiences. Now there are many experienced machine workers, but few have the gift to explain it so neatly.
So Joe I respect what you do. Just a pity that there are so many looking at youtube and clicking further without giving a thumbs up, small effort seems to me, compared to making a movie, or any movie whatsoever
Thanks for the recognition. I enjoy doing this and try to keep it valuable.
I'm sure many folks are thinking where in the world would you need a part with an angled boss like this but I've seen many uses for this when programming Swiss lathes... Nice video..
Joe, you are fountain of tips and tricks and I watch your stuff even if I do not immediately have a need for what you are presenting. You are making us aware of techniques and it gets stuck somewhere in the back of the head to be pulled out when need arises. Thank you for putting in the time and energy to create these videos. They are timeless.
I would love to see how you would approach milling tight flatness tolerances
Toe clamps
Truly, truly ingenious Joe. I learn so much technical and tedious stuff from you. You've encouraged me at age 63 to learn trig. lol which, for the biggest part I have done, had no ideal how to figure setting a sine plate, now I do.. Big leap for me, found your channel right after I bought my mill ,and lathe, and have been blessed by watching you.... So, when I say I have learned so much from you, I for sure mean it!!!!! Thank you!!!!
I suggested this at the trade school I went to (NTMA) the teacher said you can’t do that. This was about 8 years ago. It just made sense in my head. Glad to see you video and I appreciate all your work. Thanks!
I guess the teacher was wrong.
@@joepie221 yea I’m guessing they were threaded chucks. It’s been so long I can’t remember. Now days I work on the surface grinder most of the time. I do miss throwing some chips around though. I need to buy some of my own machines.
You always amaze me.
I love that you get right to the point and don't waist words on what don't need saying.
Thank you
Joe,
I know how I would use a tooling ball but ........ I'm never sure what you're going to do. So..... I'll be happy to give you a view for that one, even if it turns out we use them the same way.
One of the reasons I view your channel is to see unique approaches to real issues which arise and not more of the same "how to indicate a part" or "how to sharpen a drill" for the 100th time.
Keep up the good work, brother !!
The way you kept your engagement constant, versus just going straight on x/y on a manual and at the speed you do it was masterful. Takes a lot to impress 20 year+ guys (confident, not cocky) but you did it there. Nice.
Thanks. Did you ever see the mill skill challenge block I setup at the Bar Z 2018 bash?
@@joepie221 No, I never did. Must've missed it somehow. Any chance there's a video of it floating about?
That was great brother thank you. Just bought my first mill & it's the little tricks from guys that know their stuff that'll make learning fun instead of expensive. Much appreciated.
That's Awesome! I'm taking a machine shop class at a local JC and I love your channel. I refer to your channel a lot to help me figure things out .....Thanks Joe👍👍
Awesome. Ask a question if you have to. I'd be happy to help you.
Thanks!!
Thank you Joe. That was awesome. You are indeed one of the best machining teachers on CZcams.
Tooling ball? I have no idea. But I watch all your videos and will surely tune in.
Nor do I, but now I'm looking forward to finding out.
Its just a sphere lol...
don't know...
@@gusmcgussy3299 its not really just a sphere
Ditto, I have no idea.
Hi Joe , i have absolutely no idea what a tooling ball is but that is why most of us are here for isn't it , to watch , listen and learn. Thank you very much for the time and effort that you put into making these videos for us .
Cheers from Australia
Troy
Every time i watch your videos, I am amazed!!! I wouldn't of even thought something like this was possible, thanks again for all the awesome tips... Have a great day, take it easy...
Thanks, you too.
I've never seen this operation before, or even thought about it, but now I know how, thanks to Joe.
Joe, when I am trying to catch up on watching videos and I have limited time your videos go to the top of the list. Thank you for taking the time so we all can enjoy and learn something from them.
As always Joe, you make it look easy.
I lost my Bridgeport in the, Camp Fire in California.
I lost my lathe and all my tools and tooling as well.
I just purchased an Acer LMV that is so much better than my old Bridgeport.
I haven’t found a lathe yet, your video opened my eyes as to the versatility of a vertical mill.
Thank you!
Sorry for yours and all other locals effected by that fire. It was unforgiving.
Very informative video as usual. Now it's time to repay the knowledge I have extracted from you over the years.
TIP: use a rotor broach. The internal dimensions are quite accurate and leave a nice finish. Whatever is left on the outside can be cleared away quickly. Don't tell anyone, but I also use this method for quickly removing stock in the lathe. Try it, it'll change your life :)
Much thanks and best of luck from downunder
You continue to educate me with every video. I don't think there has been even one that I didn't learn something from. Count me in on the tooling ball video.
This old man learns something new every time I watch your videos. Actually, I have to admit, I have pirated a few of your techniques but never lay claim to them. I tell whomever, it's Joes idea.
Thank you for sharing.
Thanks for all the effort you put into your videos. I've learned a lot.
I'm looking forward to your tooling ball video.
Joe, you do a great job! Thank you ! I was severely hurt in an accident so I can’t stand very long. If I want to do something, I need to finish it in a short period of time. Every afternoon I have to lay down because of pain, I always watch your channel and learn a lot
I have watched a lot of different CZcams machining channels, and yours offers some of the greatest knowledge on setups and machining techniques. If you were hiring, I would move to Texas to learn from a Master.
Me too on the tooling ball. Thanks so much for the time you are taking to show us these techniques!
Some of you guys are going to flip out when you see what tooling balls are used for and probably go out and buy some.
You may even have some and dont know what they are for.
I have several contraptions/jig fixtures here at home that no one knows what they are for unless you need one and shown how to use them.
I don't profess to know 1/1000th of what Joe knows though.
What a treasure to have here.
Worth
AWESOME lesson/discussion....regarding tooling balls, I asked my mentor/friend Chui (years ago) about “toolmaker’s buttons” and why there was not much info on their use (I had read about them in SB How to run a lathe)....his reply..”tooling balls”, of course I asked why and the response... “that with the ball you can measure in any direction”.....looking forward to your video on this subject
Toolmaker's buttons are long passe. The edgefinder has taken it's place.
Yes please Joe lets have a tooling ball video. I find all your videos very educational and encouraging to a hobby machinist like myself.
Pretty dang cool Joe. When you were reviewing it on the bench and held it sideways, I thought of a Dr. Seuss, Cat in the Hat book.....and a crooked axle turning....with the payload bouncing all over the place....heh heh heh....Well done!
You are a vast wealth of knowledge and experience. You make stuff look too easy...LOL. I get excited every time I see you release a new video. Keep the great vid's coming.
And...what the heck is a tooling ball....going to keep my eyes open for that one.
I'm in for the tooling ball video.
I don't know what it is, but I'm already pretty sure I need one!
Joe... This is great - I need to made a twin top feed for a steam locomotive boiler. The water feed pipe comes in from each side of the boiler. The technique you’ve demonstrated is exactly what I need to do with the manifold.👍 Sign me up for the tooling ball video.
John🇬🇧
You were correct... Very cool great thinking as always Joe.
Awesome! It never even occurred to me to use the boring head in that manner. Regarding the ball end video, just got home from Costa Rica with some fresh coffee beans. The coffee that will result from those perfectly roasted beans is earmarked for that video. Regards as always.
I'm in school right now starting out in this industry and I find you videos very interesting.
Thanks
I had no idea about how this job could be done. So, thank you !!!
Great video Joe, just a garage weekend hacker here but little nuggets of info like the climb millling to keep the burr off the part is is great.
Mr. Pie - no clue what you mean by tooling ball, but even if I did, I would watch. I'm a total amateur without real training, but I do have a CNC mill and a Lathe in my lab at school for student use - so the more I learn, the better I can help them. Please keep up the good work.
Thank you.
Once more, a clever solution to a seemingly Impossible problem. Thanks Joe.
Another great video Joe. Thanks for your time to make these.
I will watch and learn pretty much any thing you do. New to this and learning. Keep them coming
As a machinist for 30 years experience I wish I could end up in a training school where I can teach the trade of machining. I don't want to die oneday and not teach what was taught to me and what I taught myself through years in the trade. Love your work Joe.
Morning Joe - you never fail to impress.
Well thought out and delivered as usual.
The reverse milling was very cool to watch. Filing that away for a future project.
_Dan_
Not only was this a very interesting technique, but I am gobsmacked on how well you roughed a cylinder by hand. You would kill it at an etch a sketch competition!
I loved those as a kid. Now I have the mill skill challenge maze. ( on my website ) Same concept as the etch a sketch, only you use a mill.
@@joepie221 Took a look at your maze, very cool. I think using a wiggler with ball end and hooking it up to a buzzer with a couple alligator clips would make a fun game. True the wiggler, turn off spindle and off you go.
@@moorejl57 That has been a skill competition setup at the Summer bash, We did just that.
joe your the best i have run across....i have learned much from you...thanks for your time
That's good teaching Joe. It's got me thinking about other chucking and milling set ups that relate to these 2 methods. Tick box for tooling ball.
Brilliant! Looking forward to the tooling ball video as well. Your channel is my go-to channel for machining education and techniques! Everyone else mostly share
ideas and projects which are useful and valuable but education is priceless!
Great solution with the angle blocks. I like the thought process as usual. Thanks for sharing.
Fantastic info as always Joe! The back boring technique on the mill is something I've always gotten a kick out of but it never occurred to me how it could be used for an off axis feature like this, very smart.
Love your lathe setup. That solution directly addresses a part I need to make and I had no easy solution for making it! Please do the tooling ball setup you mentioned.
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Don't worry about people having seen it before! There's always something to learn!! Regards, Matthew
My forehead is getting flat from all the "Duh". I had no clue how to approach that one, then you have _two_ good ways that would work on my own tools!
Could you do a video on how to locate that angled feature accurately on the part. Great video! Thanks! Chris
Great lesson, thanks Joe ! Greetings from Poland !!!
Joe, Once again, you Amaze me!
I was already amazed with your Lathing the boss but then, the Milling was a Piece of ART in motion.
Thank you, Always!!!
philip, in the Great Pacific NorthWET
Hi Joe,
I see only one comment about the angle of wooden wheels such as on your cannon. I am not a wheelwright but an old friend of mine makes model horse drawn farm carts. I believe, though I stand to be corrected, that dished wooden wheels are stronger than flat. That being said, the greatest strength in them is directly through the length of the spokes, so wheels were cambered in order to benefit from the strongest design along with the weight transferred directly along the length of the spokes. Bearing in mind that cannon are very heavy this explains the necessity.
I can see what you mean about making the wedges thinner so that the chuck jaws grip the actual part being machined but I think that the way you held it would be better with a piece of paper between the wedges and the job to increase grip.
I am not a professional machinist but learnt what I know from old books as I use lathes that are between 70 and 110 years old, so use the techniques evolved for them.
Great video as always...I will carry on watching now :)
Brilliant, never seen the lathe technique before and I have been machining for a long time. Great stuff Joe many thanks for posting.
Never heard of a tooling ball. But I am subscribed so I will definitely watch. Highly impressed with your knowledge and skills. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you.
Me too for tooling ball Joe.
This video, like most you do, was all but a revelation! Of course with enough thought the solution can seem obvious but seeing it done is super instructive.
Thank you very much as always for your valuable work. :)
Yes hindsight has 20/20 vision. Love your vids too!
What a great technique. You are full of valuable knowledge.
I'm a before beginner and I generally cinstrain my interest to the lathe skills at this time. Appreciate your careful teaching !
Thanks for watching!
unreal ............ you definitely have your Sh#t together. I love the way you show us different ways to go about one problem. Keep the info coming, I am learning a lot from you. THANKS
Tooling ball - would love to learn on that... but I'd love to see any of your videos anytime. They are all wonderful and elegant.
Thanks Joe- Being fairly new, it never occurred to me that you could use the boring bar on the mill for a male part. Good teaching.
Your lathe approach is what I would have considered first. The mil solution was very creative and interesting. I doubt it would have occurred to me. I have used rotary table in the past for circular parts, but boring bar never. Another very informative video.
If the tolerance is tight, the mill is much easier to put the boss exactly where you want it.
Great that your back Joe. Great technique.
never heard it called back boring we call it running a squirrel lol like your approach on the lathe. i built a boring head the other day and broached a internal 7/32 hex in my lead screw. love watching you techniques brother im not to far from you maybe on day ill stop by when i go back to austin. cheers! and keep em coming
I’m addicted to watching these problem solving videos. I would have drilled and press fit the journal pin. This is way better than my way
Late to the party 🥳
Tooling ball? I've no idea, I'll search your channel after I've watched this
Hey Joe you are crazy who can think the way you do thank you for teach us many ways to do things in a different way.
Great videos Joe! I only found one other comment that mentioned this so I will add another. One caveat to back boring, if you have a two piece threaded boring head, running in reverse could cause the shank to unscrew. If you have a threaded boring head just use a left hand tool that allows you to run the boring head forward so it won't unscrew, problem solved.
Good point.
Had no idea you could use a boring head that way. Very nice tip!
Great vid Joe!!! Can't wait to see the tooling ball..
Joe - This video and your mention of tooling balls is a good segue to a question I’ve been intending to ask. I often machine tunnel gates into mold cavities. The cavity block is mounted into a machinist vice using a sine bar. The machinist vice is then mounted into a mill vice using a sine bar. The cavity block is located using an apex and the gate bored. If edges are broken or chamfered locating apex with laser edge finder, optical or pointed probe is imprecise. Improvement option 1 is a tooling ball with a tetrahedron pocket like US pat 5046262. Option 2 is a pointed probe off each surface of apex then some math. I was wondering if you might have other options.
I took me a while to figure it out what are you doing when avoiding corners, starting at bout 9:30 but it took me three pass to figure it out :-) Great job you are doing with this videos. Keep it please.
Awesome tip on the reverse boring , great tip👌
Thanks joe!!! I did something like that with a big annulus cutter. I like your way better. Thanks for sharing
Born to be a teacher-trained to be a great machinist!
I never would have thought of that. I always learn something from your channel. Thanks!
Thanks for the education Joe. I've never seen a bore head used to make a positive feature, but nice to know it's available if the need ever arises.
You never fail to teach me something. Keep it up, Joe!
i would like to thank you for all of your videos.
you have helped me tremendously.
Yet another excellent video Joe. Thank you. And, yes for the tooling ball.
Great technique. Yes to the tooling ball video.
Great video, awesome tip! As I’ve said before, you are one smart, crafty guy!! Thank you very much for the time you put into these videos for us.