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- čas přidán 17. 01. 2022
- In 1849 a trader named James White decided to break from his wagon train and push on ahead with just his family and a few men. The outcome was about as bad as anything you could imagine; the men were dead, and the women were taken captive. The subsequent rescue mission was led by none other than Kit Carson. But this time could the hero save the girl? #history #wildwest #mountainman
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Josh can tell a damn good story and anyone who has been following him from the jump knows hes gettin better. Perfecting that craft so to speak. I love this channel.
I'm trying
Well done. Bringing the west to life one messed up story at a time. Enjoyed it
You, sir, have got to be the most HONEST commentator on the ‘Old West’ I have ever listened to.
"Blood and Thunder" was a hell of a good book and Kit Carson was a hell of a good man.
Great story as usual.
Id love to hear your rendition of the life of Jack Hinson.
I've listened to most of your catalog available on CZcams. This is your finest
Thank you!
The Apaches made their own beds. Using Buffalo hide armor and Spanish horses, they attacked and raided neighboring tribes stealing captives to sell to the Spanish. Unfortunately for them, their patrons refused to provide firearms. Eventually French and English traders provided them with guns and payback was a bitch.
As for Carson, I will never forgive him for what he did to the Navajos.
Josh you would have made a great pastor. You always hit the nail on the head. it's like the NT said long ago,: "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of GOD." We're all in this shit TOGETHER, man. You make this perfectly clear.
Emaciated E- MACE-E- ATE-ED
Had to get a dig in! You're extremely talented and your passion for the subject matter shines through.
Man it sure is good to have you back in camp telling your stories around the virtual camp fire we call the internet. As always brother hats off to you. appreciate you taking time off from work and the family to entertain all us common folk. Keep doing what you do brother. All the boys and girls at the Outlaw Saloon in San Antonio take a shoot when new episode begins to play. Outlaw Up keep doing what you do.
God bless the great Outlaw Saloon
As a short ginger, I’ll handle this!! Hahaha
I love this page dude you’re killing it!
You just brought a tear to my eye. Keep it coming friend
Thank you! Will do!
Flawed? Hell aren't we all? Your view on this country (world) we live sounds a lot like my own. Thanks for another great bio
Not sure what took the alga rhythm so long to bring this channel around but I’m glad it did! Definitely subscribing!
Hell yeah!
Kit Carson and His Three Wives by Marc Simmons and Dear Old Kit by Harvey Lewis Carter are excellent sources for Kit Carson info.
Great episode. I think a lot of people need to hear that rant about history to put things into perspective
Thank you
Another gem good sir! And welcome back….
Thank you, good sir
Josh the cover of blood and thunder is my phone saver .great book by Hampton sides.
Excellent book
You spin one hell of a yarn sir, so happy I found your channel.
I'm happy you did, too!
YeeYee another banger I'm sure. Coffee and bloody beaver, that a good morning.
Brutally frank. Thanks for the information and balanced comparisons.
I appreciate and agree with your insight thank you for sharing. I look forward to the next video.
Always entertaining and well done!!!
Great podcast Josh, keep up the great work!
Born and raised pnw I've bow hunted elk in some pretty wild places in western washington state
The guy who played Jesse the methhead on Breaking Bad would make a good Kit Carson.
Great rant! Keep up the good work!
What Il’ Kit did to the Navajos was VERY VERY bad! But I agree with you Josh, quit destroying our history, because they that don’t know their history are bound to repeat it. Those times were different than today. I’d have to say, I’m sure glad I didn’t live in those times. Great story👍
Me too, I like indoor plumbing and deodorant
@@WildWestExtravaganza me too and like paved roads, autos etc😁
Amen brother! Just tell history like it was
The Wild West is extremely complicated. The Comanche stole the great buffalo hunting grounds from the Arapaho, and drove the Ute west into the mountains. They were hated and feared. The Kiowa gave in and joined forces with them. The Spanish finally ceded the territory to them, leaving behind some Missions that were eventually wiped out too.
Here in Trinidad there's a guy who fancies himself a member of Antifa and goes around causing mischief, defacing "symbols of white supremacy", etc. The local PD knows who he is. There are surveillance cameras trained on the Kit Carson statue in Kit Carson Park now. A small group of Woke activists tried to have him removed. Also lots of drug dealing activity there. The population is pretty western style Libertarian. Been that way since 1870.
Keep up the good 👍 work
Very good presentation.
Thank you!
Fess Parker sang Kit Carson. I have it as an MP3 on my MP3 player.
Hey there's a mountain named after this guy in my home state!
Well said...
Maybe Stephen Graham as Carson. He’s short and rough hewn looking, and a great actor as well.
Great choice
Amen brother love the way you think
Wow! Good commentary!
Good to see you back Josh. Great video as always. I was wondering if you might be interested in doing a podcast video on Tiburcio Vasquez an outlaw in California that was hanged in 1875? I recently watched a video here on CZcams called The Wild West Most Wanted and he was part of the list but it only talked about him for 5 or 10 minutes . I don't know if alot of people have heard of him but I thought I would throw his name in a comment in case you might ever be interested in doing a podcast video on him.
@Bobby Blazer yes he was. I watched a documentary called Wild West Most Wanted that's how I heard about him. I thought Josh might be interested in doing a podcast video on him. Vasquez isn't as well known as somebody like John Wesley Hardin for example.
Excellent video.
Am with you.
Your thoughts are right on.
Building 7 didn't Jeffrey Epstein itself.
Great job Josh! 👏 I think Billy Bob Thorton, or Willam Defoe would be good for kit.
Josh- Thanks for the great video. Tiburcio Vasquez would be great subject for a video.
Automatic like, welcome back!!
If Bascom wasn't such a f--- up the Chiricahua wouldn't have been in conflict with 1st Drag anyway right then. Good convo on moral compassing. See Roger Waters "Every Strangers' Eyes." "...quaint and curious war is, you shoot a fellow down you'd treat where any bar is, or help to half a crown." Kipling
Great quote!
Dude, I'd like to buy you a Beer! Keep up the good work! And I should be Kit Carlson!!!😎👍
Kit Carson was a murderer
Well said.!!
Love the rant
This guy is a natural born showman.
I would like to hear one about Langford"Farmer" Peel, or Peal (I have seen it spelled both ways).
tell it brother, truth is good to hear. I think actor Steve Zahn is Kit lol
Really like the raw truth about history the honesty about something that honestly does not have a pretty picture..Tom Hardy as kit 👌 you the man Josh !!
Thank you!
love how this dude tells the story. Laymen's terms
Man do I have some storys to tell you, My 3rd great-grandfather died in the battle at the Alamo and I had two grandmothers that survived, All Tejano,
I also have another Grandfather that was Jim Bowie Native American Scout,
I'll E-Mail you
Awesome man!
Thanks for the visit
I will try not to commit any massacres this week thanks for the story Col Josh
All I ask is that you try
The thing about the Jicarilla Apache, like the Lipan Apache, they were not one normally what one thinks of as typical Apache as the Chiricahua band which were more of a mountain/desert culture. The Jicarilla were Plains Apache and more in accord with the Plains cultures as the Ute or Arapaho which as you stated put them in a rock and a hard place because they were right next door to the Comanche which denied their access to the Plains region of the Southwest while also seeing their small tribe as a ideal punching bag for war honors. OK, now I will shut up and listen to the comfort of a familiar voice named Josh... great to see your episodes up and running again!
Good info, Raymond!
Kit Carsn should e played by Willum DeFoe
You asked who should play kit in a movie and my vote is either Joel Edgerton or Guy Pierce
"Lost to History" is a pretty unfortunate name, yeah
Good job Josh.
Great story! Why so many ads in a 20 minute video?
Thank you! How many ads did you get?
He doesn't have control over the ads. CZcams ads those. I doubt he even gets paid from the ads. YT is shit. Idk how you get paid on bitchute but it's a decent alternative. Just don't read the comment section.
No, I have some control. I'm monetized so I do get a portion of ad revenue. I don't want to flood anybody with ads, though. That's why I was asking how many he was seeing. It's possible I messed up and CZcams inserted a butt load of them. If that's the case I will def fix it.
@@WildWestExtravaganza i just watched and didnt get any.
Keep the ads. Small price to pay for we the listeners.
What about a segment on Deadwood. I'm thinking from the discovery of gold in the Black Hills in 1874 until the Gem burned down and Swearengen left town in 1899. If I could go back in time to any place in history, it would be Deadwood in the summer of 1876.
Plenty has been done on the topic but I would immensely appreciate your unique slant on the subject. Anyways from one hooplehead to another, that's my San Francisco ************* suggestion.
I did an episode on Al Swearengen and another on Seth Bullock a lonnnng time ago. I need to redo them, maybe lump them in together and talk Deadwood too.
He looks like Michael Madsen
Huge jackman...russel crow
Yes Josn you did good saying that we re both slavers&slaves,an honest purveying,actually the otherwise named doctrine called human depravity.Keep going.
Is it just me but I had to search Kit Carson after listening to legends of the old west. I swear I was either born 200 years late or 200 years early. I don't think I belong to the current timeline. I much prefer been in the 1800s well until i need antibiotics anyway
I hear ya. I'm a fan of indoor plumbing myself haha
Yes indoor plumbing is indeed a gift specially if you can remember a time without it. I've lived in some pretty remote places so i can appreciate running water :P
I bet!
thats something alot dont think about when they look at these famous heros of the past they very rarely were truely good men but they werent bad men either they were just men no more no less
Agreed
First i heard the name kit Carson was the western comicks Tex willer 😊i sometimes read em to this day 44 years old lol know it s fiction but i have always loved the western time from history books and movies but prefher the history of fackts this was a tough man wow. Thanks for the chanel and your great work i often listen to your great storys of the legends of the western my favorite s is the natives and some of the outlaws so thanks ive learn something new evry story and i loved history since the 80s when was a child and wanted to escape my own life. Dam maybe born in the wrong time but i hate that all was so racist and gredy of the native s land so wonder how i had been. If i guess right after my personality i guess a outlaw or something
Playing Kit Carson? Lance Henrickson
Billy Bob Thornton!!!!!
A brave man.
Looking at the pic on this video Woody Harrelson would make a good Kit Carson
Old kit mickey rourke
I could get behind Denzel, but only if he wore whiteface. lmao, I would pay to see that!
History ain't always pretty.
People need to remember Sherman the hero of the Union was a wealthy man How ?? The slave trade!!
I was familiar with this history from years of studying the history of the American West. It appears to me that you created your video lecture using one source alone, the book you seem to be shilling for, Blook and Thunder, which is half history and half novel. You seem to be more intent on delivering your political narrative on history than the actual story. There is a lot more to the story (history) if your aim was to relate a dramatic event as thoroughly as the choice for titling your video "Carson's Failure," might suggest would be forthcoming. Instead, you present a short actual story, missing some of the chief elements that would present a more vivid picture of the events, resorting to generalities and commentary. This is what happens when one learns history from one source, and when it is a source that has interpreted history to fit into a novel-style presentation. You gave the briefest of the report, using the rest of the video to express a political interpretation based on the extrapolation of incomplete and even erroneous claims. First, you describe the Apaches as victims. The Apaches were a raiding tribe. They had arrived in the Southwest late, coming from the Yukon region. They made their living raiding other tribes. This is well documented. Their cross-border horse and cattle raids are well documented. In the extensive journal kept by Lt. Charles Gatewood, who tried to settle the Apaches onto reservations without exterminating them, reports that the women would brew up a drink called "twisin" from cactus for the men to drink and encourage them to raid settlers for goods to please them with. It is as simple as that. I've never read reports that Apaches starved. They had always raided for their food (as mentioned above), so they were always pursued by someone or the government on one side of the border or another. He also reported on the internal feuding that carried on revenge in blood libels that coursed through generations. Your portrayal of them as unfortunate tribes beset by the pressure of "so-called civilization" (more on that, later), is not honest. Peaceful tribes such as the Pimas complained of their raids. The U.S. Army was charged with pacifying the states and territories where raiding tribes persisted. The Navajos were another raiding tribe. Kit Carson's actions were to drive them to a region too far for them to raid other tribes. And you missed the history of John C. Fremont, who if anyone is to be blamed for massacres throughout the West due to his bloody outrages during the time of his campaigns in the years 1846-47. Kit Carson was with him on all but one but was not the perpetrator of the actions. Lt. John C Fremont had married a senator's daughter and had ambitions. So he wanted to make a name for himself during the expeditions that his father-in-law arranged financing for. Kit Carson had no such ambitions and was married to an Indian and had a daughter named Prairie Flower. After his Indian wife and daughter died, he later married a Mexican Lady, the daughter of a grand don. But he was absent for much of his married life until later.
Of the actual subject of your video, you might have intimated that these Jicarillas; led by Chief Lobo Blanco, had been raiding settlers for a year and were being pursued by the U.S. Cavalry led by Lt. Ambrose Burnside. After they killed the White party's men off, they lined up the bodies and waited in the dark for another victim. A party of twelve buffalo hunters arrived and being to inspect the sight. The Apaches' opened fire, killing several of them before they escaped the trap. Far from pitiful and starving, they were carrying on the usual ruse of gaining the trust of more simple, Christian whites who wanted to believe the Indians were peaceful until they would suddenly spring their trap once in close, and often when the victim's back was turned. The Army and Kit Carson pursued the Apaches for ten or twelve days as the group of raiders split up and reconvened over and over. At every camp, they found some of Ann Whites's clothing, which she was no doubt leaving behind as a trail and sign that she was still alive. They finally found them. Antoine Leroux convinced the leader of the troops, Captain Greir that the Indians might want to parley. Carson insisted on immediately attacking. When the Indians began to quickly evacuate, Captain Grier realized that he had made a mistake and ordered a charge. As he prepared, a bullet hit him in the chest. But the distance was great enough that it only knocked his breath out. Once he recovered the charge commenced. Ann White was being held by an old Indian woman. She wrestled loose and ran toward the advancing soldiers. The old woman pulled up her bow and shot Ann, and she fell dead with a shriek. Carson faulted no one because he knew that Antoine Leroux was as aggrieved as everyone. They all swore a blood vengeance on those Apaches for their cruel deeds. Your video title would better be titled "Antoine Leroux's Failure" but he is not so well known, (He is one of my ancestors).
When Carson got to her, she was still warm. He described her as "still perfectly warm," completely emaciated, her bare bloodied feet, her beautiful face distorted with the marks of many sorrows and pain. A trooper found the Ned Buntline-style novelette and read passages to him later. Michno, from whose history I relate this (A Fate Worse than Death), reported that the idea of poor Ann White, hoping desperately to be rescued by Kit Carson, who never failed, haunted him for the remainder of his life. In 1854, a Lt. Bell caught up to Lobo Blanco and dispatched him. No one was ever sure what became of Virginia White. Two years after her capture, she was reported living with a band of Commanches, but beyond that, nothing is known.
This is how to tell the story. If you had done that instead of running off into your own version of history revisioning, your audience would have learned more facts and less attitude. I wonder if you realize that Marxist influence helped form up the Amderin activist group The American Indian Movement in the late 1960s for the purpose of spreading discontent among the tribes by reviving and provisioning, using selective reporting, and adding hyperbole for the purpose of larger societal disruption? Even though you seem to want to seek to calm such disruption down, your methodology is not effective because it carries on a series of created falsehoods and preserves the idea that "civilization" is not necessary civilization. What else would you suggest? In his book "War Before Civilization," Keeler shows that tribal people committed genocide far more truly and completely than "civilized barbarians" warfare. In fact, he reports the archeological find in central Illinois of approximately 500,000 dead tribal people as the result of a genocide that occurred around 1300 CE. In the hugely lamented "Sand Creek Massacre" of 1864, a total of 130 Indians, six of them war chiefs who had led brutal raids on white settlers only a couple months earlier that year (July and August) were killed. Some part of the troops, namely some volunteers who were the relatives, friends, and neighbors of the brutally massacred, mostly women and children, were bent on revenge (in one case the "warriors" had exploded a rifle cartridge in her mouth, blowing it apart, and shot two arrows up into her pubic region so that the points came up above her hips on both sides. She lived in agony for five days more). This group performed scalpings and shootings of women and some children. That 130 Cheyenne dead is somehow more memorable and important than the countless brutalities visited on white settlers, often merely for the purpose of blackmailing the government into more concessions and upping or renewing You are right about one thing, picking sides and laying blame for things that were done over a hundred years ago is only going to perpetuate more hard feelings. So why are you doing it? If you are going to report history, report it accurately. And realize this much, regardless of the wrongs of civilization, civilization, Western Civilization, and American Civilization in particular has up to now, created the most prosperous period of history, where more people worldwide enjoy a higher standard of living and lifespan than any time in history. Those who wish to report history should be doing with humility and the understanding that there is a huge movement aimed at destroying the freedom and benefits the sacrifices of those brave denizens of civilization made in settling the wildernesses of America have brought everyone today, even the "Native Americans" with their huge gambling casinos. I go online and find contorted, one-sided stories on the Old West all the time. Even ones like your own, which seem to make an attempt at being objective fail because you didn't really do your homework or engage in the considerations of the larger philosophy and meaning of history. I think people like you should spend more time studying a subject before you make videos on the subject. Years of serious study teach one to appreciate the broader, deeper meanings. I think you should read up on serious history and remake this video and probably your others, too.
Lol I'm not reading all that. Email me like a normal person or make your own podcast
Let's be real, no one should play kit Carson but Danny Devito.
Agreed