For All Mankind Season 4 Episode 3 Breakdown | Recap & Review
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- For All Mankind Season 4 Episode 3 Breakdown. An in-depth recap and review of s04e03 "The Bear Hug" with the ending explained. Please Subscribe 👉 czcams.com/users/petepeppers...
The third episode of For All Mankind’s fourth season takes some unexpected turns. Margo (Wrenn Schmidt) finds herself in an interrogation cell while Soviet hardliners orchestrate a coup to remove Mikhail Gorbachev from power. Miles (Toby Kebbell) turns towards crime when he starts working with Ilya (Dimiter D. Marinov), and Ed (Joel Kinnaman) has some illegal secrets of his own.
On Earth Kelly Baldwin (Cynthy Wu) and Aleida Rosales (Coral Peña) form an alliance with Dev Ayesa (Edi Gathegi) to get their “search for life” project off the ground. He convinces them to help him orchestrate a coup of his own which puts him back in the CEO position at Helios
S4, E3
The Bear Hug
Miles tries to make ends meet. Margo finds herself pulled into a dangerous situation.
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Rocketing into the new millennium in the eight years since season three, Happy Valley has rapidly expanded its footprint on Mars by turning former foes into partners. Now 2003, the focus of the space program has turned to the capture and mining of extremely valuable, mineral-rich asteroids that could change the future of both Earth and Mars. But simmering tensions between the residents of the now-sprawling international base threaten to undo everything they are working towards.
Chapter Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
1:08 Margo
6:25 Ed & Svetlana
8:27 Miles
11:08 Dev, Kelly, & Aleida
14:59 Review/Thoughts
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I can’t help but think about Margo’s first interrogator who turned out to be on the right side at the end but didn’t live to see it. Is Ilya really going to try to smuggle Lee’s wife to Mars? Things are starting to get going, let me know what you think.
Needed this recap as it was not easy to follow along...
Hope Margo returned to USA. I don't like Miles I find him repugnant, but I do think he'll be Teflon because of the Korea connection. it is so much older, but I've had so many older men hit on me, and so not surprised. Dev using them to regain company, but I hope he will fund their work.
Seemed like margot was in a pickle she was believed to be Canadian with a phone number to coup backing KGB members. She didn’t tell anything about herself or the woman she met which to me is wild considering she was tortured for hours maybe days. Great episode USSR part is getting wild Mars is always wild wish we’d get more moon time.
I thought that story arc a little far fetched
Margo's first interrogator was indeed with the hardliners... was it a right side? That's questionable :D But yes, he found a person who had a strange phone number on her and it turns out she is connected somehow to KGB. He had every right to be suspicious. And as a supporter of the coup, he was executed by the colonel after he gave out all useful information. Unlike the first interrogator, the Colonel knew that it wasn't the 3rd Directorate but the 2nd, because the 3rd is connected to military matters and that cover phone used is a part of the 2nd Directorate, counter-intelligence and internal security.
Colonel was a member of OMON (special military police units of the Soviet Army). He wears a black beret, which was worn by Marine Infantry and OMON units, but since he is wearing a black arm patch as well, it clearly makes him a part of the ground forces, not navy, hence OMON. And it makes sense that they were the ones to attack the police units in a situation like this. They were basically the special intelligence units of the armed forces aimed at keeping the internal security should any other branch decide to do stuff like this.
EDIT: His right arm patch, that's GRU, the Main Intelligence Directorate (Главное разведывательное управление - hence GRU). They are basically Army's Foreign intelligence units. They mixed a few insignias there (as GRU I don't think he should be wearing a black beret, but it is possible that some did) and he should not be involved in internal intelligence. The thing he and his soldiers did fits better with OMON units (and Gorbachev DID use them to crack down on early dissidents in the late 1980's and the start of 1990's so it makes sense that they would support him here). In short, a bit of a mix up on the showrunners part. It makes the most sense that he is OMON, but he does wear GRU patch variant on his right arm.
Smuggling goods on spacecraft is already a big no-no due to various restrictions and calculations of orbital mechanics and why every package is screened and specially packed. To smuggle a huge crate like that, out of the question. To smuggle a human. No. Just flat out no. If you forge her identity, give her papers so that she becomes one of the regular passengers, yes. But to smuggle her the usual way - hell no, and I hope they don't even try that way.
From introducing itself at the Baldwin house during Apollo 15, to relaxing Ed on Mars, the marijuana has had the greatest journey across this show.
It’s true. I am just glad the stigma is finally going away, at least here. Still be responsible though.
@@thechicagoboxcouldn’t agree more. I used to be a huge pot head, used to sell it when it was illegal and only when it was a illegal (those were good times) now that it is legal in my state I don’t partake anymore at all. I’ve seen it’s benefits but I’ve also see it’s cons. And like any drug can be abused. So I love to see when people talk about it responsibly. And this show has shown that well too. I personally think it’s irresponsible that some people call it harmless because it’s not especially nowadays when it’s been engineered to be more potent than nature ever intended.
Ed is the Snoop Dog of Mars
There is no way you could hide the smell of a closet full of pot plants. Especially when it’s harvest time. I absolutely love the show but sometimes I really have to suspend my disbelief. Also, I don’t think marijuana has pain relief properties.
@@bethlevine1000 for some people it does but not the same as actual painkillers. That’s the thing about Cannabis, it affects everyone differently, it can’t really be prescribed for anything. You just have to take it an hope for the best. People have all these different strains saying “Oh this one’s good for this or that” when all that’s really different is the levels of THC and CDB. I say CBD is the REAL healing agent. It has no potential for abuse because it doesn’t get you high. In fact it blocks your receptors from THC. So if you TRULY want it for medical purposes and aren’t lying to people or yourself that you really just want to get high then CBD is the way to go. But even then THC doesn’t always even cause euphoria. It’s like Russian roulette. But anyways it’s the cbd that’s supposed to have pain relief properties. It can make your body feel kind of numb. But what it ACTUALLY does really well is anti inflammatory medication. And because it reduces inflammation it can reduce the pain of the affected areas.
The Aleida and Bill scene was the best part of this episode (besides all of the Margo stuff) and a perfect example of character consistency and good writing. These characters are exactly who they were two seasons ago (aka 20 years ago) and their relationship…marked by disagreements, mutual respect, and vulnerability…was on full display. And who didn’t laugh when he said, “At least you didn’t pee your pants,”? A running “joke” that should be as familiar with them as “Hi, Bob” is with Danielle and Ed. Excellent, excellent scene.
It was nice to catch up on Bill's life!
My wife and I hollered in laughter at that scene. 😂😂😂
What a mess of an episode.
1) Kelly should be rich enough to fund her science project. She owns a substantial share of Helios shares (from her mother) and it is mentioned that Helios' value is more than the GDP of Texas. The US GDP is more than 10 trillion dollars, as mentioned in the newsreel, and Texas is ~8% of the US GDP. This gives an estimate of Helios's value of around a trillion, give or take. If she owns just 1 % of the shares (remember that just 27 people, including Dev, own more than half of the shares), she is worth 10 billion dollars. Even if Helios were to be worth a mere 100 billion dollars and Kelly is worth 1 billion $. She clearly can fund the Seeker project and still would own a lot of money.
2) Dev is far, far richer than Kelly but seems not to have any security or entourage gatekeeping access to him.
3) The Helios takeover was fun to watch but quite unrealistic in its execution
4) The interrogation scenes of Margo: The substantial sharing of information with Margo is quite unrealistic. The fact that a specific dial code is associated with KGB is ludicrous
I think Margo’s story line is the most interesting 💜
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A "bear hug" is also a business term meaning a takeover bid that shareholders are very unlikely to refuse, which is exactly what Dev did to Helios
i learned this from succession lol
I think Miles starting a union thing could still happen. We have 7 more episodes to go. I enjoyed this whole life of crime thing but it can’t be sustainable forever especially with more players in the mix.
Margo’s stuff was great. That’s all to say.
Honestly, watching Dev go off at the. board meeting was oddly satisfying for me. Dev was all about exploration and scientific development in the previous season and it would seem that he fired those who didn’t support his vision from 8 years ago. It could possibly be a good thing for Kelly’s scientific pursuit. That being said, he does now think of the business aspect as well so he won’t be blindsided again so there may be conflict there. We’ll just have to see.
Just going to ignore this whole Ed/Svetlana thing. We already been down the romancing-someone-my-child’s-age road with the Baldwins once. And although I doubt it will play any part, Ed isn’t just her coworker, he is her superior. But pre-season articles did say the relationship would play a part down the road so either she gets hurt or she exposes his tremors.
This is actually my favourite episode this season despite passing of time issue someone mentioned in the comment.
I’m afraid Pete is right - we may never see another Bill-Aleida scene. Which is a shame!
I’d really like to know what happened on Mars a little more after season three. A flash back would be nice.
We’ll get one, I think.
I love watching the prequel to The Expanse.
There is a pretty simple reason why he turned to crime... Because of his family. Imagine you took a job to support your family because YOU are supposed to support the family. The job took you far away making communication tedious and the pay is shit. You can't just quit and now your family has to support them selves. You failed. But this side gig can help make more money Right now.
A union or a strike can still be possible later but that won't provide an instant boost to income that he needs to support his family.
Indeed. He is all about helping his family in the here and now. Union action may pay in the long run but it ain’t do his family any good at the moment.
The ladies will regret throwing in the Dev. We know from the trailer that Aleida and Dev will both be involved in attempting to recover a valuable asteroid. What happens if that asteroid contains fabulous riches AND extraterrestrial life?
Ooo that'd be a great point of conflict!
I think a coup could potentially occur. If or when Miles gets caught and the speakeasy gets shut down, the lower levels will rise up. The passage of time in each story seems to be different and that is throwing me.
Moon and Mars going full commie is definitely looking like at least a threat
i hate that they don't release all these episodes at the same time but I do have to say that I'm partly glad because it means i get to watch these reviews and understand better, and not just binge it
Thank you for detailing all the stuff that happened in Russia. The site I use to watch the show doesn't use subtitles, so I had no idea what was said
I wonder sometimes what the hell the writers smoke sometimes. That entire corpo takeover scene, that's not how that works? And as a Russian, the hardliner coup plot felt like what we call "cranberry". "ok we gotta show the audience this takes place in the USSR" "ok just have this guy execute this other guy in front of one of our protagonists, and everything's doomy and gloomy and have the bad guys win off screen by the way"
Agree. Those scenes could have been handled with a little more refinement and still gotten the same results.
This season is so gripping. I love the space smuggler ark. Also I agree with Kelly’s face, they seem to be realizing Dev wasn’t back. But it was just an ego thing. What he first told Kelly he still believes. He’s definitely going to be insane. But like a very wise blind woman once said selfish assholes change the world
Outstanding job as usual, Pete. Thank you.
I never thought I'd comment on make-up, but the ageing on Wren and Joel is pretty amazing. And oh how I cheered when that closet opened.....Ed is first at something!
Old Margo is more convincing than Old Ed. I suspect that Schmidt is just a better actor.
The makeup used for Ed is just not convincing.@@paulkerrigan4051
I think miles will have an Affair with the woman in his bunk (forgotten her name) after hearing she is recently divorced, and miles obvious tensions with his wife, I can see some chemistry between them as well
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CZcams's notification system is busted, man. This is the first notification of your videos that I have gotten since your Twin Peaks videos, six years ago. And yet looking at the channel, looks like videos came out constantly since then. O.o Welp, I've got quite the backlog to go through.
As always, a good, complete and appreciative breakdown from Pete Peppers! :) Thank youuu!
I couldn't make heads or tails of several complex shows without Pete's weekly 2¢. Eg here's just two: For All Mankind and The Expanse! 🤪 I'd be lost without Pete Peppers.
It's episodes like this that got me hooked onto this show.
“I am very careful” was said at least twice by llyo, the still owner/black market guy. And now, he kinda has a (not too bright partner) & doing business w/a Korean, who seems like a good guy, but his buddies/country may not. I think ‘being very careful” is not so careful anymore.
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Great review! I'm glad someone finally said Miles is "kind of an idiot." I'm not particularly fond of the character, and I think he's an unnecessary addition to such a great cast. I'm kind of sick of shows, especially sci fi shows, centering the stories of stereotypes of blue collar guys. They're never particularly nuanced or complex, and as working class person myself it really raises my ire. Either do it well or don't do it at all!
@Valokaari All the "lower deckers" seem to be Helios employed, which is a US based company. All the ESA astronauts and Soviet cosmonauts are likely all working on the upper level and don't have to deal with the corporate bs.
If Kelly has as much stock as Dev, or even in the same universe as close to as much stock, then she's a paper billionaire, whose first instinct not being a business person wouldn't be going out seeking outside funding in the first place. Plot hole. Always dig your breakdowns man, you're good at them.
yeah, that was a big wtf for me. She said "What's $200M to a company worth more than GDP of Texas"
If she's got a significant share of their stock (enough to influence the CEO vote), she'd be able to fund it herself.
@@nitzky8936 gaping. plot. device. hole.
I think they are setting up Svetlana to be the one who tells NASA what's going on with Ed and maybe put the fault of the accident on him as well. Or maybe she just threatens Ed with telling NASA to get him to retire. Either way, it seems like she is going to be central to the end of Ed's career one way or the other.
On the Soviet Union story - Gorbachev was both the General Secretary of the Communist party and the President of the Soviet Union, as well as few other high positions (President of the Presidium of the USSR, Chairman of the Supreme Soviet etc.) In the show, they say that the hardliner just got to be the President of the Soviet Union after the agreement has been made. Now, if you know anything about USSR, you should know that the president is more a figurehead. The real power, since the days of Stalin, lies within the General Secretary of the Communist Party. If they stay with the historical organization, hardliners just got the presidency and some other positions, but Gorbachev is still in the government but other positions. I am not sure if they will go that deep or just keep it superficial, hardliners won and that's it. From what they tell us, that should not be the case.
As for KGB, Second Directorate was Internal security and counter-intelligence. Third Directorate was connected to military counter-intelligence... which isn't really what we are being told in the show. Correct on 2nd, but not the 3rd.
Miles story is a bit dumb. Even with the expanded base of Happy Valley, there isn't really a way for that level of smuggling operation. Supplies on the space missions are heavily screened and specially packed. Due to various problems relating to motion, dynamics and balance (I won't go into details) you can't really pack things that are not planned and calculated for. The amount you could possibly smuggle is so low that you could definitely not build a network on it.
Also, the whole speakeasy setup is unbelievable. That base is wired with sensors top to bottom, every section is mapped. For a secret door leading to a speakeasy where dozens of workers go fairly often, which also runs a distillery... I mean, how stupid does everyone have to be? In a base like that, there is no way that it could remain hidden. Or that a smuggling ring like that could remain a secret from the officers on the base.
So far, the most interesting story is the one going on in USSR (but I sense they don't have the skills to make it as complicated and interesting as it deserves/could be - and we might get a superficial version of it). Dev, Kelly and Aleida, could go either way. I don't get it why the worker in the company would be the one of the biggest shareholders though. Ed and Sveta, a bit forced - simply because of the Ed's age. He is 74 at this point in the story, she is in her mid 40's. Both are highly trained professionals. This kind of a relationship is not in character for either of them. But, we will get it either way I guess.
I honestly hope that USSR storyline will bring about something interesting, because, so far, nothing of note or sense is really happening. There is nothing else for me to invest myself in really.
Enjoying the series and much enjoy your recap as of these episodes!
So happy someone is talking about this show
The different political actors in Margo's arrest and interrogation were indeed somewhat confusing. The Second Directorate of the KGB was responsible for counter-intelligence and internal political control. The secret benefactor turning out to be the new head of Roskosmos comes as a surprise. I doubt Margo will be able to live in secrecy any longer if she's going to work for them. I had hoped Dev would be one of the characters left behind in the previous season, as I never really vibed with him and his corporate -bullsh- shenanigans.
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Another great episode, started feeling bad for Margo : ) Thanks Pete
Man it’s going to be a long 1 1/2 week break. I can’t wait
I'm all done with season 4 now waiting for S5...Torture. I've resorted to watching 'The Expanse'....How desperate is that!!
I find it odd that a hardliner coup would succeed in the FOA timeline. I mean, Gorbachev's policies have been going much longer than in OTL and the Soviet citizenry must have been getting used to all the freedoms they've been enjoying. Once Korzhenko (who by his name must be Ukrainian, so interesting detail) starts clamping down on the people, there may be additional turmoil. Or not. Tiananmen Square and many protests in places like Iran show that if an autocratic government is ruthless enough and has enough support from the military and security services, it can violently put down unrest and wait for international outrage to subside before getting on with their business as usual.
Not sure how the USA under Gore will take it, as Gore has just had his "Mission Accomplished" moment of this TL happen by declaring the Cold War over earlier, similar to George W Bush's moment when he declared major combat operations in Iraq over. Also, reflecting on it now, I think the Saudi royal family deposed is the FOA TL's alternative to 9/11 happening in OTL. Without fossil fuels being a big thing and shoveling money to the Saudis, who had family members in turn shovel it to Islamists who had combat experience in Afghanistan against the Soviets in OTL, there is no Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda and a far less influential Islamist movement as a whole. Also, Iraq is presumably still under Saddam Hussein who annexed Kuwait in 1991, but, again, with fossil fuels being less important Saddam is enjoying his conquest far less than he might with oil revenues drying up. The Middle East has likely become a political backwater verging on Third World status with the lack of oil revenues and all the development and projects it allowed in OTL.
I also didn't understand how at the end of the episode, they said "Gorbachev and the army agreed to terms and Korzohnov became president." I don't understand why. Like in the show, it shows that Gorbachev has the support of the army and they are reclaiming moscow. But why did Gorbachev agree to terms and let his rival become president? Like what does the 2nd directorate have that Gorbachev would concede?
@@kicokyaw1039 Soviet political structure is extremely complex and complicated. I don't know what are they going for, but in USSR, president was not a prominent position - more of a figurehead.
In short, while there were no other parties in the USSR's parliamentary system, there were different currents/branches, and they competed for power. Gorbachev could have just given away a portion of the cake to another current in order to prevent a full uprising - which even if he wins, his reputation and legitimacy would be damaged.
That's how it worked in USSR. One branch would push out the other, sometimes slowly, sometimes very fast and completely, with more or less blood involved.
Most of the time, a side that grew in power (building alliances, appoint their men at key positions over the years etc) would at one point revel their cards and find a bureaucratic way to remove the other side, at which point the other side, realizing that they have been outplayed, would make a deal (as to not end up dead after the power shift) and step aside quietly.
The other option was to oppose to the change, in which case those low level conflicts would happen, a few folks would lose their heads and a bit unsteady period would come until everything is reset. When the "rebels" revealed their play, it was usually a done deal, so it made little sense to oppose it - it could only harm you, the party and the international standing of USSR, which is why it rarely happened.
But what did they plan for in the show - I have no idea. If Gorbachev gave the new guy just the presidency and some agency positions in order to appease the hardliners and kept all other positions of (real) power, then he is basically still the man in charge. But I don't think that the show will go that way, it becomes too complex for a western viewer. I think they will just have this as a coup and the new hardliner government takes over completely.
Very well done breakdown. I appreciate the human voice and your sharing a few opinions about what might happen. it would be even better if you could modulate your tone a bit more, let some emotion enter, but still WAY superior to many of the very robotic voices doing recaps.
Calling it: Miles gets busted but not before discovering Ed's secret garden. Danielle has to finally confront Ed and kick him off Mars. Life on Happy Valley improves without his dead weight.
I think some aspect of the Ed/Svetlana bond will be what gets him to leave Mars. She leaves and perhaps she talks him into it. (That's the happy version) If there is longterm romance, I'm there for it.
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I thought there were some problems with the pacing of this episode. All the elements of the Margo story seem to happen over a short period - 24 hours maybe. But the other story lines evolved over days or even weeks.
I was extremely confused about this. The Kelly/Aleida and Miles stuff seems to be something that happened over a few weeks. No way they go to that many meetings or Miles makes that much money within the same time frame as Margo’s storyline, which happens within a day or two.
Why would that be a problem? They're all independent stories. 😅
@@ericpowell4350 Generally this show has been pretty good about timelines (especially true in S1). All stories have been always happened concurrently in the previous seasons so to have it be all over the place feels really jarring. Also if the trend holds, all independent stories will come into conclusion at the same time by the end of the season. So having Miles and Kelly/Aleida be weeks ahead while Margo and Ed behind makes it hard to do.
Miles has already screwed himself by depositing his script. He's creating a paper trail
Yup. With the system they have, there is a clear data on how much a worker is paid and how much they deposit/spend. If all of a sudden he sends/spends thousands of $ more than he is paid, it would set off alarms immediately, someone would notice instantly. But it is maybe too much to expect from these writers.
@@Wustenfuchs109 transactions between personnel are allowed, otherwise everything would just be deducted from pay with no need for currency. Remember, Happy
Valley is a city, not a base like it was last season. How he got the money is illegal but having the money itself is fine so long as he files his taxes properly.
I was thinking the same thing. Depositing all that cash on his bank account will be flagged as suspicious sooner or later.
@@Wustenfuchs109I think they set it up when Ilya said that "they" tried to come after him for tax evasion.
Ilya's previous partner got busted for tax evasion. Figures Miles didn't take a hint.
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This season in particular made me think that this show is the spiritual prequel to The Expanse
I like the expanse but I hope not though.
@PetePeppers1 Can we expect any season 5 of Fargo vedios? Sir.
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First bar on mars ran by Mikes after Ilya passes?!🤔
My prediction is that Irina is Sergey's wife... that's how she "knows" Margo.
best debriefs this side of the moon!
I finally realized who Joel Kinnaman reminds me of. Keith Carradine. Do others see that?
well I do now! dang
are we witnessing the origin story of Dev's villain arc?
Will you be covering Fargo season 5?
I'm going to try to get a video out tomorrow.
@@PetePeppers1 Right on. Looking forward to it! I was bummed when the episodes ended lol
How long was Margo in that cell for? In other scenes it seemed that months were passing by.
I wonder if they will address what happened to Danny Steven’s exactly.
I'm sure they will
I’m still not sure that Stevens is dead. Book it!
How can Miles just deposit that much money into his Helios account without anyone getting suspicious how he got the money while being isolated at Mars? Doesn't make sense.
It makes perfect sense. It's a "non Post 9/11" 2003. They're not the surveillance State that we've grown accustomed to in our reality. Plus, they're simply not focused on petty crime.
Am I the only one who doesn't care about Miles, and don't like his character? He just came out of the blue and there is no relatability with him I think
Agreed💚🇬🇧🌱 all over the place but not terrible...
I just dont get the situation in the Soviet Union. Is this woman who is the new head of roscosmos and those two people that got Margo there, are they against the new goverment or are they with the new goverment???
With the new President. We are still not clear on the composition of the government. In USSR, President is not really a prominent role, they were more the public exponents of power. Hardliners have a president now, but we have no idea who holds other, more important offices in USSR (Presidium, General Secretary, Supreme Soviet...), we are just told that Gorbachev made a deal with the hardliners and that the new guy is now a president... that's all. If they made a deal, that means that obviously Gorbachev still hold something (if not, why make a deal?) and we don't really know who holds what.
I can tell you though that the lady who's the head of Soviet space agency at the moment is WITH the new president and hardliner faction. They are advocating for a worse relation between USA and USSR, and now Margo will be forced to work with the people who will go against her own country.
@@Wustenfuchs109 Thank you i get it now. This kinda ruins it for me that the hardliners did the coup succesfully (as it looks like) because i liked how the USSR under Gorbachev became friendly with the west and that there was cooperation and now we will probably be back with something similar to the cold war.
Thought that there was way too much time focused on Miles.
Great episode. However, I’m more interested in the Margo storyline than the other three: Ed’s possible “love life” (yawn) and health issues (yawn), Aleida and Kelly’s business with Dev (yawn) and the Miles storyline. Aleida and Kelly bore me to near tears. Miles is just plain fun to watch. So give me more Margo in Russia, and let’s see what Miles is going to do next! BTW, enjoyed Dev’s takeover at Helios, tossing all the self serving suits out on their a$$!
So science fiction isn't your thing? Should probably watch the Americans on Cold war espionage is what your after
Wait this is out already?
They put it out early this week because of the holiday.
@@PetePeppers1 hey big fan of what u do. You seem to cover allot of shows that don’t always get the attention they deserve. Keep it up man. And happy thanksgiving.
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I am impressed you worked this more than once and put this out. Incredibly impressed
Fargo season 5?
Another great video, thanks
Check out the show 'Pantheon' Pete.
The last scene reminded me of Shawshank Redemption. Will he get the North Korean a poster of his wife. Surely not! The writers are far more inventive.
Maybe his wife died, and he wants the urn with her ashes delivered to him.
I'm still confused about the margo and interrogation scenes, so the first guy was good all along? what?
Was good to see Dev, though clearly he is still an ass. Also, it's nice to see Bill. I hope we see more of him. They still have not made it clear if the Americans know she is alive or, more importantly, do her former colleagues know? Even the conversation Bill and Aleida had did not make it clear if they knew she was alive.
Do you think Ed could just have anxiety?? As someone who suffers from REAL anxiety, you shake like that. And it happens in the most important moments. Particularly when you’re in flight or fight, and because he’s been through so much, all of it comes flooding back whenever he does something dangerous. He lost all of his blood tied. And all of his closest friends and THEIR family as well. He has literally sacrificed his entire family aside from Kelly and yes he treated her like his own, she’s still not one of the people he started with. That’s why she’s not enough for him to leave Mars. It sucks but it’s true. Kelly was Ed and Karen’s love child, and that connection died with Karen.
Not sure if the Soviet coup make sence in the show timeline. If economy still booming, there no political turmoil and state geopolitical positions are stable, what the reasons for hardliners to take power by force after ~20 years of Perestroika? Especially prior to elections when they can legally get in power with less bloodshet. Its like if neo-maoist wing of CCP suddenly took power in China during their economy boom in 2000's, it doesnt make much sense!
I really hope the next episode will at least a little elaborate with the build-up to the coup and not left with the remark "thats Russia, lol" 😕
Its like saying "How come extremely religious coup happened in Iran when economy was doing good?!". Economy is not the only thing people care about in vast majority of the world where ideas still are/were more important than the standard of living. A westerner, growing up in capitalist democracy is not likely to fully understand that. People are more interested in keeping their way of life and societal values, what ever they might be, compared to better living standards.
In the show, the economy was booming in USSR, that's true. But it came at a cost of their idea what a society should be. Wealth gap increased, society moved more towards predatory capitalist policies to capitalize on the whole economic boom - and it is normal that people didn't like that.
Just like how people of Iran didn't really care that much about economic boom because it came together with, in their view, decadent western practices and societal norms. So, an extremely religious coup had popular support. Afghanistan, same story.
If in some alternative universe USA could provide better living standards to a majority of people by going full communist - do you think people will care about their better living standards, or care that the entire societal structure is all of a sudden changing?
Economy, political turmoil and geopolitical situations are not the only or the most important things for the internal political struggle of the nation. Society is built on values - and when those values start changing, you will ALWAYS see a backlash. It is just a question whether someone with actual power will capitalize on that or not and try to revert the changes. And in this show, they did.
It's not that the coup does not make sense, it is just that you live in a society with certain values and to you it does not make sense to see a coup in a country successfully promoting those values. But just because they are your values and you find them good, does not mean they work for every society and everyone's idea of correct values. Don't take this in a wrong way, I am not accusing you or something I am just trying to explain.
That's the shortest way of explaining what a different culture really means. Vast majority of people can't fully grasp the concept - because it is not an easy thing to do. Especially when you are not fully and directly exposed to a different culture.
@@Wustenfuchs109 For starters fundamentalists didn't came into power in Iran by the miitary coup in amount of few days, there was a whole year of social instability and revolution occurring before, that figures like Khomeini used in their own advantage.
Then, this still doesn’t explain why counter-reformist members of Politburo waited almost 20 YEARS of Perestroika policies before deciding to do something about it. The social changes inside the show USSR did not occur in a matter of few years at that point, the whole generation was already born and raised by the new principles. So what exactly triggered hardliners to overthrow existing government in violating coup now but not earlier? THAT is a question I’m asking.
Hell yeah..things are getting way more interesting ! (except Miles storyline and his character who is not interesting oat all imo, but we always had a boring storyline each season so..) now : launch time ! ;)
Everyone thinks Dev Ayesa is evil because he would not allow the Helios ship to go back and help the Russian ship on their way to Mars. However, he made the right choice. He said it himself. "It wasn't Helios' fault the Russians and Americans recklessly changed their schedules to try to match the Helios schedule". Why would he risk his mission? The Russians and Americans should be viewed as the evil ones instead for risking their own people.
Rules of ‘the sea’…..
@@paulkerrigan4051 they were not in the sea let alone on earth, they were on space
r/whoosh. @@NeilsonBuntowa
Is Dev short for DEVIL?
dev can either be a name of indian origin, or just short for devin or devlin or devine.
Wish they had sent Margo to gulag.
Aren't you a ray of sunshine.
@@datacorzWell, she is guilty of betrayal of her motherland, after all.
@@kurtwinter4422 You must have been pleased when they executed Nina Krilova.
They destroyed Ed’s character. He was supposed to be the main character of the show. But now, some nobody from russia plays a greater role and adds more to the story than Ed does
Last season for Ed
Booooriiing.
THIS is the most exciting TV show on the tube??
I'm struggling to get past the second season. Show should be called "Strong independent female bosses in space". So boring, got excited with the space Marines but so far it's very boring
Oh dear. - are you unsettled and perhaps a little threatened by the idea of more women in management roles? Incidentally, season one specifically addressed the reasons for the accelerated strides towards equality - first a Soviet woman on Mars, passage of the Equal Rights Amendment.
@@paulkerrigan4051 lmao literally everyone in a management role is a woman. It's so forced and unnatural to the point of cringe. But I see your point, basically the show is about what if women are in charge of everything. Guess it's more of a science-fantasy rather than science-fiction.
@@zaab-yaoh9302 You are having some other issues I am afraid. Who, apart from Margo, is in the management role in season 2? There are none in Season 1, and 1 woman in Season 2. To you, that is extremely triggering for some reason.
@@Wustenfuchs109 yes I have issues, my issue is show is boring
@@zaab-yaoh9302Yeah, not really for your tik-tok generation with attention spans shorter than 30 seconds, I agree.
Just another crap identity politics show!
Your comment makes you sound foolish.
We’re no closer to solving the mystery of whether the Americans know that Margo is alive. Aleida refers to those we ‘lost’, and Bill says ‘Like Margo’. That could mean a number of different things…… 🫤
The CIA probably knows she's alive. But Aleida doesn't. These characters, Aleida and Margo, have not seen the last of each other.