Ep. 15 Evans Hydraulic Drumheads
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 18. 06. 2018
- *This is not a paid advertisement but rather a response to some common misconceptions and commentary found in various drum forums. For those that just want to hear the audio demonstration, that's at 5:39 **
Oil filled drumheads? Many of us are probably familiar with the Hydraulic series of drumheads from Evans, imagining the sounds of fat, tubby 70's rock toms. Contrary to popular believe, these heads do have some tone, albeit quite controlled, and a bit of sustain when tuned appropriately.
In a time when aftermarket muffling devices are more popular than ever, it's actually surprising to see that more people haven't dabbled in Hydraulic drumheads to achieve similar sounds more easily and consistently. In this episode, we demo each of the various colors of Hydraulic drumheads from Evans on the snare drum and toms, discuss tuning schemes, and bust a couple myths.
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Have you tried Evans Hydraulics? Which color(s)?
I actually have a Evans Hydraulic on my floor tom, itÂŽs a clear one
I use the blue ones on my toms. Love the sound and durability as I am very heavy handed.
Red and it sounds great
I used the Blue heads on everything including the kick drum and it was awesome but i prefer coated Ambassadors or emperors on toms and snare and a PS3 black dot on the kick. They make great kick drum reso heads.
I frequently use single head toms and kick on my gigging kits and on those I always run clear hydraulics.
I only play drumheads filled with spanish olive oil
Nothing but Italian olive oil for us! ;)
Sounds Like A Drum so re-labeled spanish oil?
I like my oil like I like my women
Extra virgin
I find that the Spanish olive oil filled ones are pretty mellow and blend in well, whereas the Italian filled ones have more of a bite and stand out.
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That ride cymbal makes me uncomfortable
Interesting. It makes me feel comfortable.
It is literally looking directly at you
@@glam432 he's just standing there. Menacingly.
Me too... it's like a big buzz saw blade....ready to chop and slice..
I actually really like them on smaller drums to give the perception of more low end. People think they don't sustain must not be tuning them right or have bad edges, because they always seem to sustain for me.
5:35 for demo
As a kid growing up in the late 70s early 80s, the Evans hydraulics were the rage. I still love and play them today. They were the only head for concert toms.
I love how daru Jones and Robert sput searight utilize these thanks for the video guys!
Right?! Definitely a cool approach and a super unique sound. Thanks for watching!
I recently became the worship director at a church and realized that the drums were overdue for some loving. I heard these were easy to tune and were premuffled so I threw them on.
They were SO easy to tune that they actually revealed that the snare side hoop was way out if round. Once I replaced that, the snare (with the Hydraulic Glass which I know is blasphemy) pops and cracks through the mix while still being nice and round. Itâs just a really satisfying tone and the FEEL is incredible.
Thanks for the videos guys! Theyâve helped this electric guitarist learn how to make our church kit sound better!
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I'd love to see an in-depth discussion about Hydraulics on the resonant side, with different combos on the batter. Neil Peart did this on his drums on the Rush albums Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures.
Exactly what I'm here for. Love your drum covers by the way đ
I think you would have the same result with a thicker drumhead like a pinstripe. Never tried but I guess it would kill the volume and sustain of your drums since they can't resonate properly and are extremely chocked.
Iâm running hydraulics batter and remo pinstripes reso. Sounds great playing in a small room
@@lovecraftmusic8717 Neil would crank the tuning on his toms, which combined with the extremely dead tom sound, gave a really distinctive tone to his toms. It was almost timbale like. Not to mention he played as hard as he could while using the butt end of an oak 747 stick, which is a really dark and actually quite a heavy stick.
Evans no longer produces the Looking Glass head. The only close contender is a clear G2 or a clear Emperor. There was a forum claiming by some Evans users that the G2's aren't that close. Especially since the Looking Glass heads were made of a flesh looking resin for the hoop, and a fellow drummer even mentioned that drumhead technologies at the time weren't precise in tuning.
Wow, I'm very impressed with the quality and depth of this review. Great job man!
Thanks so much! This is the level we want to work at. We'll likely be doing other product overviews (not really a traditional "review" as this industry has done them) in the near future. If you have any special requests, let us know. Also, feel free to let the manufacturers know that you're enjoying what we're producing. Cheers!
been rockin the black heads for decades on my champagne sparkle 1965 Rogers kit. sounds good man.
I run my premier club kit in sparkle with reds, definitely a head urner
me too on my Rogers 1980's series XP8 kit. Sounds great to my ears.
Evans Hydraulic heads were originally designed for Zickos acrylic drums, another company located in Kansas, as was the original Evans Corp. They were mounted top AND bottom, and design to draw a BIG, round tone out of the otherwise brash acrylic shells, and it worked beautifully.
I LOVE the Hydraulics Drum Heads. I tried different heads including the EC2 heads. But for some reason I prefer the Hydraulics heads way better than the other heads. I probably will stick to them for a very long time.
Thanks for the lessons, I don't play anything but understanding what equipment does helps me appreciate players/bands I've dismissed in the past
Great video! Iâve used these since the mid 80âs and love them. Theyâre very versatile and sound better than most people give them credit for.
Thanks for the in depth review. Youse guys are great.
Glad to hear that the heads are working out well for you and thanks for the kind words! Did you ever get a chance to play the original Red Hydraulics?
Sounds Like A Drum I played the blue ones in the 80âs and currently have the red ones on the kit.
You were spot on about how the red just seems to have a better tuning range. From wrinkle to tight, they just get the job done.
I have a 22 diameter by 20 deep Gretsch âcannon kickâ that uses 0 internal muffling thanks to these. The attack and boom is unreal, but it dies right away.
None of the drums on my kit need Moon Gels or Drum Dots as the oil takes care of any overtones.
Theyâre just perfect.
I look forward to your next video.â€ïž
Very cool! Glad you're enjoying the red versions as well. That kick drum sounds like quite the beast! Gotta use one monster of a beater on that thing. Thanks for your support!
Well, these heads actually do sound better than a cardboard box!
We almost recommended that Evans use that as the marketing slogan but decided against it. đ
Raymond Ebert not by much though!
I cannot lieâŠthat cardboard box didn't sound as bad as I thought it was going to. I bet someone clever could sample it and do something interesting.
@@SoundsLikeADrum Why is everybody so against these heads? I for one, swear by these heads! THIS is the sound of legendary Rock & Roll of the late '60's thru the '80's. It's like soup & sandwich, or, peanut butter & jelly.......just don't forget the JAM.......You gots to spread it on till it "Sounds Like a Drum!!!!!
@@billdrummer1197 cuz in my honest opinion there too dead sounding.
Got a black heads on my power toms, 12,13,16 Vintage 80's Tama Swingstar, plus one piece of moon gel on each tom.
Love it sounds super fat, but I'm only playing in a small garage so everything in this review make a sense for me.
Thanks for great review.
I played these at a small local festival back in 2012, and the tone and feel has always stuck with me. Now I'm about to buy my first kit in nine years I'm going to immediately outfit it with these
Great dissertation of this product.Thanx
Best explanation and demo of hydros ever.
i have a five piece Pearl export series kit and I was just brainstorming ideas to cushion the bearing edge of each of my toms,what would the kit sound like with a light wrap of Saran Wrap on each bearing edge? I usually play remo pinstripes on my racks or evans clear with NO striping as I love the sound of Evans heads.
So informative, thank you đ
I love the tones on the heads I was playing them yesterday
I use reds on the toms and a black on the snare and I love them. The visual appeal on a black sparkle kit is a very nice added benefit!!!
Love the detailed explanation.
Thanks, Sheldon!
awesome video!! really helpfull
I had the blues on my square badge 70s drums. I played them all wide open and they rang like rototoms. Very boingy sounding. They really brought out the Gretsch Jasper colors. Of course I tend to hit hard. I was very pleased with the set up.
Great video!! I used Evans Hydraulics decades ago but never knew some of the things you talked about!! Thanks!! I feel smarter already!! đ
Holy smokes...when you brought physics into this, this just became my favourite channel. Thankyou for the great content!
Thanks so much! More to come. Cheers! -Ben
Great overview. Been playing Evans hydraulic heads for over 20 years. They're currently on the 12, 13, 14, 16, and 18" power toms on my original 1986 Tama Superstar drumset. Massive fundamental tone from the hydraulics, and they last a very long time compared to all other heads (almost 2 1/2 years since last head change!}. I play with fat Corpmaster drumsticks and hit rimshots on toms, and these heads take the pounding and rarely detune. I upgraded all the batter hoops to diecast and the tuning stability is excellent.
These seem cool! I'll have to give these a try soon
Random question. Is it bad to detune drums once they've been tuned? Example, say I get a new head, tune it, and maybe a week down the road, say I fully detune it to where im starting over from finger tight, is that going to make them perform any different or is that bad? I dont mean with just hydraulics either but any heads?
Hey there! The short answer is no, not really. If you're going from very high to very low extremes in different playing contexts, eventually the head will lose its tone from all the up and down, but it's not something you need to worry about very much. We change tunings all the time, and as long as you're playing them often, the heads will wear out from that much sooner :)
If detuneing a new head has an advearse effect , then you either have a defective head or that drum could be out of round.
I feel like I just watched Neil deGrasse Tyson talk about these heads. Nice.
Ha! You just made my day with that one. Thanks for watching. I often wonder how far people want to go down the rabbit hole when it comes to drumhead design and the physics behind this stuff. If itâs interesting though maybe weâll do more of it. Cheers! -Ben
Sounds Like A Drum Dig as far down as possible. For example does the drum shell simply âallowâ the head to unleash its potential? As important the many aspects of proper drum shell design are......we arenât âhearingâ the shell but the head. What are the physics of the sound we hear once the head is struck? What is the shell doing to the vibration of the head. Why does a thinner shell project less and have less volume than a thicker shell? These are the fundamentals most people are clueless about. I have a practical grasp but could never convey in words whatâs ACTUALLY happening.
I don't have any idea of how these are gonna work in other drumkits, but in my pearl vision birch the bass drums went beyond anything I've tried before!! Tons and tons of attack, low end and the right amount of resonance, I can't go wrong with toms for sure!
Sounds great!
Great video! Just curious how you like the Hydraulic compared to the EMAD on a 16â converted tom/bass drum. Thanks!
what heads and techniques would you recommend for doing exactly the opposite; maximizing harmonics/resonances/ring to get a 90s alt-metal "clang" snare sound? currently i'm using single ply coated heads cranked as tight as possible on a piccolo snare, but it just isn't quite getting me as extreme as i'd like.
for reference of my goals, have a listen to the song "snot" by the band "snot"
it's surprisingly hard to find info on this because the sound is very much not in fashion right now (as evidenced from people's reaction to St. Anger)
Good Day. I used these type of drum heads back in the early 1970's. Worked fine for me. Best Regards
Think Iâm going to give these a shot on my Tama B/Bâs? I really liked the lower tones of these heads in the video. Great job guys!
They have longer duration don't they? For moderate use how long they're expected to keep good tone? i've got the red ones, but i find they a little too dry, specially for my 14 x 5,5 snare, which doen't sound too good in low tunning
I have a Mapex Saturn toms 10,12 & 14" Ft ( 2 inner plys of walnut, 2 outer plys of maple) and love their tone . My band plays 60's and a bit of 70's,right now I'm using pinstripes but was thinking of switch to the hydraulics for their fatter sound and their dampening . What are your thoughts on this ??
Sounds like a solid idea to me, they're definitely gonna focus the sound more and provide a bit fatter of a tone (personal opinion but I've definitely spent lots of time with both). I find the tuning range of the Hydraulics to be pretty wide too so you may get to find some other pitch ranges you dig with a little experimentation too. Good luck! - Cody
Nice video, thanks for sharing about these. Yesterday at music store they showed/demonstrated clear hydraulic, except had black ring. Is that for more controlled sound like a built-in studio ring?
Are you sure that they werenât EC2S? Hydraulic heads donât come with any sort of built in ring.
I've really loved hydraulics, and have been touting against the rage that exists for this particular head. I made a short video on CZcams talking about how you can get amazing resonance from a hydraulic at higher tensions, and or made an amazing snare head on shallow drums.
Always been one of my favorites, possible to get insane amounts of sustain at certain tunings, but with such a super strong fundamental.
I just tested these out because I wanted to emulate the 70's/80's concert tom sound for my band's recording session. Actually found that they gave the tom a lot more sustain with the resos off than a regular batter head would, but that could just be because the old pinstripes I had on there before were already beat up and dead. I love the deep boomy sound they give off. I'll definitely try them with the resos on next, and might be keeping them for the long haul.
What reso heads are you using on your toms
Put these on my Ludwig Vistalite set. AWESOME! Much better than the old black dots!! More control sound. Love them.
Very informative. Iâve never used hydraulics. Thanks for the info
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Great explination, Thank you. I'm on the fence with this one... been using pinstripes for almost 23 years and recently switched to Evans G2 coated. I like em alot but I am missing some of the beefy low end tone I has with the pinstripes. I wonder if these would give me the low end I am missing.
What would you recommend as a reso head with these hydrolics?
What for reso do you use?
Using the black hydraulics and loving them. Will get one for the kick drum soon, only using them on the toms and floor toms for the time being.
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What resonant heads pair well with hydraulic heads?
Your passion is inspiring :)
Thanks so much for the kind words! It means a lot.
Thanks guys. I mightn't use them ,but up till now I've never understood how they work, what they sound like and their best applications. I also like it when you actually give your opinion ie I think the red ones work best ( or words similar!) Once again good stuff. I always look forward to your postings.
Glad to hear it, Bruce! Always fun to learn something new. Cheers!
I have a 12" snare that needs to be fattened up. I'm currently using a Remo coated Emperor. I can't decide between the Aquarian Force 10 (2 plies of 10 mil film) or one of these. Do these sound deeper than an Emperor? They're about the same thickness, except for the oil.
Juan Waffles Jackson Yes. I have a mahogany shelled Gretsch snare with the clear hydraulic and itâs fatter than you can imagine.
No need for Moon Gels or other types of muffling gear either.
Itâs perfect.
I'd recommend starting out with Ep. 6 in our series to follow our recommendations for tuning to achieve a deep, fat sound. The snare side and wires are just as integral to these sound, so be sure to dial them in as well. Keep in mind that if your drumhead is already dead, this might not work well. The Hydraulic is definitely an option worth checking out if you're still not quite satisfied. The Force 10 is significantly thicker and may be able to provide a lower pitch due to the added mass but might be a bit unruly with overtones.
I'm having trouble tuning the Remos Silentstroke with stock reso head. Although Silentstroke purposely use for silent practice, as a user u still want to get a good sound from it. Right? Even low volume cymbal u can have a different choices of sound from different type of the low volume cymbal. It would be great if you guys can share some tips and tricks on this topic.
We'll likely do a video on all things mesh heads in the future. Thanks!
good info! i appreciate your approach. And yes, IKEA lamp!
Ha! No CZcams channel is complete
without one. đ Thanks for watching!
i have red hydraulics on toms tuned low and i love them
I have a red hydraulic bass drum head,and I love it. In fact,all my batter heads are Evan's.
Evans has got thee market on buying drum heads down to the science, what evens heads would you reccommend for a kick drum as I am presently using a remo pinstripe batter head on a pearl export series 24x12 I am in persuit in a solid thumping sound kick drum.
These used to be my go to heads when I started to play drums due to how easy it was to tune them. Now I use evans uv1 heads
I've had clear and blue. If you are after a muted, fat, wet attack they work great.
i use Evans Hydrualic (clear) on my set and love them
Iâve used clear Evans hydraulics on my Tama Rockstar toms with black resos for years. Genera dry and hazy 300 on the matching snare and Genera batter with a large center port black reso on the bass drum works for me.
Whatâs your opinion on drum heads for big toms I play a 4 piece kit 12 inch and 16 inch Tom
Well this is a 10/12/16 set of toms here so that might help inform the decision making process. It all depends on the sound youâre looking for. In that range, you could use any head and get a great sound. Choice in heads depends on the context though.
I have the Hydraulic black coated on my snare cranked up. I love it.
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Iâve been using Remo Pinstripes clear for over 15 yrs. Why? Because I love that bouncy sound. Not so flat sounded. Do you guys think the Evans Hydraulics are better?? Iâve been eyeing the red hydraulics
I actually ordered these today!
What do you think of the Evens Hydraulic drum head Clear
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Love them i have the red ones!!
At my guitarist's house, he's got a house kit fitted with Red Hydraulics the floor tom has an incredible low grumble sound!
Now that the Red is back in the Hydraulic line, where do they fall in the range of most-open to most-damped? Does it now go [most open] Red - Clear - Black - Blue [most-damped]?
This is subjective, but I would tend to agree with you regarding the most open to most muffled/controlled response. The red and clear versions are my favorites for high toms and the black sounds excellent on a floor tom. I really dig the blue on the snare. -Ben
I had a roommate way back when who tried them. As a guitar player, I loved them. He didn't. I especially liked them tuned low. I love that sound.
Such a classic drum sound! How did you happen to come across our channel or are you a drum enthusiast?
I'm just another cheesy dime a dozen guitar player. But, depending on what's going on in front, I find myself watching the drummer the most at shows. I think drummers make or break a band and a good sounding ride cymbal goes a long way. Your video showed up in my recommendations and when I saw "Hydraulic Drumheads" I had to click. Yeah, that cardboard box sound is so rock and roll.
They have a good sound, and all-mo-ost as good as my REMO White Center Spots.
I would use them, but they ONLY come in the standard sizes.
How long do these typically last opposed to non hydraulic heads? For my church
Their lifespan is pretty typical for what you'd expect out of other two-ply heads.
@SoundsLikeADrum Did you use the hydraulics only on top or also on the bottom side?
Batter side only. Resoâs were G1 clear. Cheers! -Ben
@@SoundsLikeADrum Thanks!
These actually donât sound extremely bad. I was expecting a cardboard box sound. But, the floor tom sounds like a cannon!
I love we could hear an A/B with a card board box... juuuuust to make sure. :D
Watch the full video for the comparison. Itâs in there...
Oh i know, I was commenting that i'm GLAD it was in there! hah
I wish I had seen this video 2 weeks ago.
I bought a new set of remo black suedes (with clear ambassadors on bottom) in hopes that it would give a warmer tone.
I played in a small church that had brick walls and wooden floors... (you've already assumed the scenario)... extremely loud even with plastic brushes.
Oil filled heads would've been much quieter and warmer.
I brought along a Blackrolite tuned medium with tight reso...and a cheap steel snare tuned tight... I should've brought my 14x7 maple, or my 14x6.5 mahogany, because the metal snares were way too crisp.
Hope my experience helps someone in a future similar situation.
Stagg DH series cymbals served well. Easy to control, and sounded great with short sustain.
JasonWelchMusic Iâm about to go from black suedes over coated ambassadors to the hydraulics because I mainly still play while practicing at home, so small area as well. The suedes on my toms and a black x emperor on my snare has treated me well for nearly 7-1/2 months now. Theyâre at the point that they need replacing, but not so much that I still canât get tone. Also I wouldâve gone with coated reso heads to warm up your tone and shorten sustain as well. So far the suedes and black x over the coated ambassadors havenât put out too much resonance and sustain and Iâve been able to reign in my floor tomâs vibrations that it was putting out all with minimal dampening. Iâm using just a Pearl Maple Decade with 10, 12 and 16 and - 14x5.5. Sounds good on mics or just down the hall as long as youâre tuned up well. So have some faith in the suedes until youâre ready to change em. And for being extremely thick heads, they can get very sensitive depending on the tuning. Good luck. Hope it all works out and you have fun.
I like the Gretsch snare behind you
Hey! I actually like the scientific physics mumbo-jumbo.. keep it coming pls ;)
Interesting drum heads
would the hydraulic blues or remo colortone emperors be better for more heavy metal oriented drumming?
Thatâs really a matter of preference and additional context. Are you playing live/with a band? Are the drums micâd up? The Hydraulic heads could work well for that. Iâd probably recommend the Black Chromed over either of those options though. Lots more punch.
I have these on my inexpensive drumset. After changing the resonant heads and tuning the set sounds killer. My musician friends want to borrow my set due to the sound. Micing is important.
I've been using hydraulic heads since I got my first set as a teenager .. I've tried other heads and always returned to my trusted hydraulics
Definitely a classic! That's very cool that you've had a long running relationship with them. Which color is go-to?
Do you notice a difference in sound with the different colours?
Could you let us know what the tom reso heads were in this vid? Hydraulics are definitely not for me but I was surprised to hear more tone than I expected in this vid. Thanks for all the awesome episodes! :)
Absolutely! Those were brand new G1 clear drumheads on the reso side of each tom and a Snare Side 300 on the snare drum. Glad you're enjoying the series and that this particular episode surprised you a bit- that's what we were going for!
Iâve used these since the 80âs and love them. As I play live a lot, they work great for micâd drums as the guitars and vocals will steal any and all tom resonance you spent all afternoon tuning for.
These are great for quick attack and quick decay. Perfect for live. Also, you donât need any Moongels or Drum Dots as the oil kills all the ring youâd normally get.
They tune very easily and will outlast most other 2 play heads. Just donât break one unless you like oil everywhere.đđ
More attack than a pinstripe? I love pinstripes on snare but hate them on toms because of their lack of attack imo.
What heads where used on the bottom/resonant side?
Evans G1 clear
I just put a set of the reds on my toms (I have an early 2000's Premier artist birch club kit with shallow toms) and they sound great for playing 70's rock, a variety of "boomer music" and also in lower volume environments
THE MATHEW SANTORO OF DRUMS. Great video! Thanks.
Ha! Thanks for that.
So heâs a plagiarist
Hey! Could you guys possibly do a video on drum heads, and if itâs just a myth that reusing or un tensioning a drum head fully is bad at all? Like I obv know you can reuse a drum head and it will work, but I have this fear/ocd about it. I think itâs from hearing â when you seat a head and tension it, it cracks the glueâ, and you only get the one shot. Or stuff like that. I needed to ask, because honestly my fear of re using it un tensioning a head fully is out of hand to the point Iâve thrown out perfectly good heads. Thanks !!! I really want to try these Hydraulics on a recording!!!
I'm not sure about when this video was made but for at least the last several years all Hydraulics are 2 plies of 7 mil regardless of color. There's no construction differences between the different colored heads.
For a period of time DâAddario had incorrect information published in the product descriptions. We canât verify if thatâs the case now but there has absolutely been a difference in material, not to mention the thickness of film.
what is the difference with the blue or read??? thanks
Different films. The red is more open and resonant- much closer to a clear EC2S.
en quelle année a été créé les hydraulic ?
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