Wired Freedom: Should You Add A Second Motor?
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
- Today we continue testing the dual motor Wired Cruiser "PsychoCycle" and also talk about the bike itself. Was it worth adding a second motor? Should You? Watch for more...
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Great experiment. I have always found 72V 40 Amp controllers do the job with plenty of power to spare. Always begin with a full suspension and build away. I agree one motor is plenty but two are better for climbing especially living in the NW Hilly area.
72v is nice for sure!
I agree that 72v 45a is plenty for almost anything. I have bikes from 350w to 10,000 and 72 45a is a sweet spot.
Great video your bike is rolling out . Thanks for the shout out
Thanks! Yours too my friend!
Nice dirt trail ride along the river. Some people just can’t leave well enough alone and bless them for it. Quite the bike you’ve got going. 👍
beautiful trail indeed. Thanks for the nice comment friend.
@@maximumchargeEV Those are my kind of trails on the Rip Racer. Luckily we have a river valley through our city with seeming less endless trails. Some gravel 2 wide, paved, shared pathways and no shortage of single track. It’s 180 feet from the river to the top of the banks and no shortage of places to ride the hills. Lastly 19 designated shared pathway bridges for river crossings. I’m not bragging just feel lucky. Its winter the trails are snow packed not bad but deadly hidden ice lays waiting you. Best to have studs, I don’t. Looks like you’ve got nice dry conditions. When the leaves are gone you get a whole different perspective.
Eventually one of the E-bike OEMs is going to make a comparator circuit where it monitors the speed and rate of acceleration of the two wheels to prevent the tendency of the front wheel to break traction, IMO this will be a game changer for 2wd bikes.
that would be epic! I wonder if VESC based controllers could do that, I know they are highly programmable
Love your bike work man. Got a WIRED Freedom myself. (dual battery) It's the second one I've owned. LOoking forward tosome of my own mods.
Thanks! What kind of mods will you do to it?
Good job, my friend. But you're right to Each his own. One single large rear job motor is The way to go. But I do like to Modify E bikes myself. And I did build a AWD. Ebike.
I agree as you're adding a lot more weight which makes handling a bit awkward..
I like the idea of AWD though, and maybe I'll add a 2nd hub motor one day to my 1500w build.
Or get another bike that's larger as I don't have the space on my current build to add another battery.
Modding is fun for us who like to tinker! You definitely learn a thing or two along the way of building these things. Always good to see you in the comments section my friend
@@maximumchargeEV I'll be tinkering in a few hours, made the fatal mistake of letting a mate borrow my pride and joy, got it back with a buckled to hell back wheel, broken throttle and he said a car hit him, god knows...but I had to order a full 1500w48v kit again (arrived yesterday) and today hopefully mudguards will arrive (yodel due between 11-2) which I need as my rearudguards broke and it's where my controller goes - dropped lucky with the price as last time I bought the exact same Voilamart kit it was £279 but got exact same one (from same eBay seller) this time for £193) so as of this afternoon I'll be stripping off my old kit and doing a full reinstall - I've been bikeless for about 5 days now and it's been hell 😂 I'll just be happy when the kits on and it's all nicely perfectly neatened up and then I can back to flying around West Yorkshire again mate!
Damn! sorry that happened man. I keep hearing other ebike youtubers say they are DONE letting their non ebike riding friends try the ebike. Something bad ALWAYS hapens. @@mickyb.8014
@@maximumchargeEV Yeah Cheers mate, appreciated - Nobody's riding it ever again now 'cos they jump on it thinking it's a slow bike, it's just disrespectful me getting it back basically destroyed with some B's excuse like 'a car hit me and drive off', yeah right, more like you were riding like a tit and lost control and crashed it, or simply just couldn't handle it/vastly underestimated it... Really pissed me off, but you live and learn..no more expensive mistakes and I've got a buyer for what's left of the broken kit..a bargain at £50 but it all helps...
Never again. But yeah, cheers.
With a bit of luck I'll be back on the road by later tonight, am just waiting on my folks getting home in an hour or so to use their big garage for the big fix-up.
My e-beast will ride again, when fixed up to my exacting standards of not looking at all like a bomb on wheels, all nice and neat, I've only done the one but I've seen worse factory ebikes, cheers mate!
I am a huge advocate of dual hub motor bikes because I'm huge and I love dual hub motor bikes.
its a free country my friend! God bless America
I live in a hilly area and I have an hybrid cargo fatbike to carry stuff and eventually passengers. It's now a DD 52v 35A system doing 34 mph max. I don't have access to quality 72v component here in europe so maybe it's a good idea FOR ME to just add a front motor like the G60?(i already have a 48v battery and controller sitting).
Great Video! I keep my main bike in my living room too! I hate mud. Even with the fenders on the Power Goat it get's everywhere.
Thanks man!! Imagine riding without fenders! 100x worse!
Don't worry too much about production quality. In my opinion at least, it is the higher production quality of some CZcamsrs videos that makes them less credible in my personal opinion. At least subconsciously.
I know what you mean, I'm not going too far over the top with it.
you dont have to use two displays and two throttles. It does require cutting and soldering/twisting wires together to get the controllers to share one display and throttle tho. Dual Motor electric scooters are just a pair of controllers that normally would have to be run by their own throttle and display each if no modifications to wiring were made to make them share a display and throttle.
you do have to use two displays since one display cant communicate with separate controllers (unless you want the throttle to be identical for each motor which I dont). On that note I actually prefer two throttles because it gives you way more control. I understand the want for simplifying all of this but in my case the two throttles are great. I'll find a better way to put the second screen somewhere hidden.
If you invert the bike (to remove or install wheels), any air gap in the hand-brake area will bubble up to the brake calipers. This may be why you needed to bleed the brakes.
Oh that's a really good point. I didn't think of that but it does make sense. I did indeed do that quite a bit. Thanks for the helpful comment my friend.
The most important thing to remember if you plan on riding on the bike path they'll kick you off with that bike it's not your typical e-bike it's more like a motorcycle you might even be better off to get a gas powered job you'll be stuck riding in traffic
And who exactly will kick me off?
@@maximumchargeEV the bike path authority. They give me a hard time with a class 2 bikes that will only do 20 miles an hour... You may be able to ride on professional mountain bike trails but if you want to ride on bike pass the people walk on the reason people buy e-bikes for they're really getting strict everywhere
I appreciate the input here.. I was considering a fork motor.. now I just want to make the rear motor faster.. what's a good way to do that? New esc, battery and motor??
which motor do you have?
Awesome video thanks for sharing I love the power of your bike a job well done 👍
thanks for the kind and positive comment! Stay tuned for more mods to other bikes :)
Great vid, you do make some fantastic builds my friend, although I think there's a bit too much stuff on the handlebars (for my liking) but I guess there's not really much you can do about all the extra equipment required to do a dual motor build.
Once the controllers & wiring are all covered up it's going to look fantastic. Already looks very neatly done.
5 seconds for 0-30 is very impressive. Also, good thinking with the idea of trying to have as much weight over the handlebars, must help a lot with keeping the front wheel firmly pinned to the ground and maximising traction. (...yeah, I know about my above comment, the weight thing makes more sense now - bad me 😅).
2,400w & 40amps ='s a $#!tload of all wheel drive fun 😂 very nice
What was the total build cost?
Great video. No childhood trauma...but I do have problems.........next video you are going to "read" them all....🤣😂
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WOULD BE REALLY NICE IF YOU ALSO DO A FUTURE REVIEW OF HOW THE HEADLIGHTS on MEELOD XT600DM WORKS IN THR NIGHT, LIKE HOW BRIGHT ONE CAN SEE, IM REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT
that's a good idea
Looking forward to hopefully another update on this bike soon! Do you think eCells will create a dual hentach motor bike with 3000w soon? I feel like you are the only person who knows what this might be like.
Adding a 2nd motor and only getting a few more MPH isn't good enough IMO unless I live in a really hilly area.
the acceleration is insane with two motors, and any minimal hill would slow down one motor but with two it's like it doesn't even exist.
I drove a 1970 Ford F-100 with a 460 cid Big Block dropped in for 18 yrs. It looked like hell but I didn't care what it looked like because I knew I'd win the race.
not there to win a beauty contest! I like it.
Note of caution: If you deaccelerate to 0 mph from 40mph in less than a tenth of a second you will visit the hospital. Impact with any car or tree will do it and you can probably forget about going to work the next day. My visit to the hospital lasted seven weeks. Just saying.....
I think you would be in the hospital from decelerating that fast from even 20mph. What happened with your crash?
I dislike awd bikes unless a ton of engineering is implemented into the system...
fair enough
Very good review of disadvantages. You probably have slightly more torque on this than 7.2kw rear hub motor. Wheelies is just as much a problem as front wheel spinout. QS motor regen is a huge advantage though. Stock wired freedom is a good ebike, and it would be the lower priced dual motor 20x4 ebikes that would outperform it on torque, and same top speed, that would have a performance/value advantage.
For people who don't need 4000w+, which is by far most people imo. Dual motor ebikes with 1 throttle, front traction control, and pas response for both is better than your frankenbike, even if they don't have your power.
Front traction control would be ideal. Is there a bike on the market today that current has that?
The new wired freedom is having a wobble due to the added rear weight of extra battery. Could you do a wobble test on yours with some rear weight on back rack. Citizencycle thinks added weight of front motor might balance this wobble out.
That's actually one of the reasons I wanted this type of build, no weight on the rear rack.
I saw the channel Citizen Cycle and he rigged up his e-bike with dual motors using his second front motor with a thumb throttle only. He too was concerned with cornering. Having throttle only eliminated the potential of forgetting and being on a slippery surface. The Throttle only method is a much easier install. I figured I'd just throw this out there.
Oh yeah that front motor I only used for straight lines!
@@maximumchargeEV defeats the purpose of traction offroad though. Traction control should be super easy: limit front rpm to rear rpm. Market (single controllers) just needs to mature a bit.
Glad you mentioned the Goat Power Bike 😝
She's gonna be a part of the ebike family for a very long time!
If pulling power, and not speed, is the goal, two motors will result in less energy used than one big motor.
please elaborate
@@maximumchargeEV a 1500W motor will burn more energy than a 750W at the same speed.
However, a 1500W motor will likely have a higher top speed.
While a 750W motor will have less torque than the 1500W one, it will not be half the torque. So, two 750W motors will have more torque than one 1500W motor.
WRT speed, a dual motor bike will only go as fast as the fastest motor, not a combination of the two.
Dual 750W or Single 1500W is both 1500W. But, when not needed, one of the 750W motors can be turned of. Thus running only 750W.
Two 750W motors should give the most power against a resisting force (acceleration and hill climbing).
A single 1500W motor should give the highest top speed.
It was 82 degrees today here in fla.
Nice!
Don't understand the cover for the speedometer, who cares, or why care...Nice job...
Ocd probably
Keep on modding and to Hell with all the negative comments. If it wasn't for "Mad Scientist" like yourself all over CZcams experimenting, I believe we would still be riding 36v 250w e-bikes. What we have witnessed in the last year or so from the manufacturers is only the beginning of awesome PEV's to come.
thank you for the positive comment my friend! Much appreciated. You'll love what I'm going to do to the goat bike soon!
That heavy thing will give up a lot of pedal strikes on a sloppy hunt or ride.
Which ebike would be better?
Would it be worth it to make a 750w single motor into a dual motor? Is your meelod dual motor clunky and hard to handle as well? And what's the weight of the meelod?
The meelod actually feels ok but its lower power and the front doesn't give out. It's 102lbs. Dual motor bikes are just heavy.. the meelod runs from one display and one controller though
Very entertaining first time view. Subbed
Awesome, thank you!
Here's a rookie question, how do you take out that plastic after you take the end cap off on the grip? I'm trying to install my mirror(also left side) and I'm ook trying to just go and screw things up getting it out with a screwdriver.
I think I just used a screwdriver. You could use something plastic and flat to not damage the cap.
Get a Goat Billy Goat or motor goat for about the same price that goes that fast or faster. I'm personally waiting for a test ride or 3 on a Lyric Graffiti X to come out. Higher end bike but expensive.
Got one! Review dropping tonight!
@@maximumchargeEV 😲👏
Dual motor will get to speed faster but the efficiency (miles/Kwh) goes down due to the extra weight and resistance of the second motor. Some of us need a second motor for hills and high speed while I would just prefer more battery capacity for range. I like the wired freedom for the quality build and ability to provide meaningful assistance to the pedals. Looking like a normal bike is better PR for e-biking.
I trying it on keplar ebike very soon
make vids! Would love to see.
Now add a mid drive.
I would rather add some type of high pressure thruster, like a big fan or something :D
@@maximumchargeEV I have a video of a small jet engine we blew up at a car meet. That might be the next stage. 😂
What's the length of the heated I'm watching a video now pretty cool
Thanks for the comment friend. I don't quite understand the wording of your comment.
@@maximumchargeEV Hahahah, I'm so sorry I was talking and texting into the phone and it heard the TV... What I meant to say was what type of heated gloves do you use can you share the link
What was the cost of doin this ??
probably an extra 1500 on top of the cost of the bike itself.
I already own a dual motor ebike, the Philodo H8 Dual 1000 watt nominal, 1500 watt peak motors
Im surprised. I have a dual motor ebike, and it handles better than my single motor ebikes
bro 10 months ago u had a 60 tooth crank that looked different then this 1. how many teeth is this 1, & what happened to the other 1?
It's the same one I just put some chain guards on it
I don't know what they have in mind yet, but I have a feeling ebikes will have to be registered and licensed soon... Coz right now, it feels like the Wild West... Karens are watching...
enjoy it while it lasts!
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No point of having two motors unless you absolutely need them.
agreed!
Or just want them… it’s America.
Imagine jail time based on your over wattage motors, you be sitting in jail for a month...
I might be worse than a World War two dictator
Nice Vid AssMan! Why didn't you build the front motor by itself and run it independently with its own battery like what Citizen did? Would that be a better set up? I think it's good to have a front motor just for insurance purposes...in case your rear motor crashes...you have a backup motor.
Everything is independent just like citizen
56lbs.. The weight of my 50+ mph bike that actually is a bike I could easily pedal home if the power died. 4000w+, full suspension enduro that takes me anywhere. There’s better ways to build a discreet ebike…Do your research and anyone can do it!
happy you're happy with your ebike friend.
You had me watching until, "I dont wanna deal with cops at all". SMH
Huh?
A second motor? Well something needs to power your future A/C and heater addons... 🤣 If a goldwing can have it why not the wired? I just wonder when you'll have to resort to water cooling and heating just for the sake of the batteries.
I love my AWD..from the factory....never go off road...but it takes my 250lb up any steep road....and it's fast 40+ mph. Bear spray? Decaf...? Truth...where is the Heybike...ha ha ha...I mean GOAT....😁🤣😂
Decaf coffee??? That's just nasty 🤣
Here in the UK it's cheaper to buy a duel motor ebike from china and sell your good mountain bike.
I'm trying to be good with my caffeine in take :) I used to drink way too much. Not good.
@@maximumchargeEV well done for trying 👍 I tried... FAILED... I just didn't like the taste.
I hear ya man! Keep at it! @@Old_Man_Pete
If your just a dry pavement biker then AWD is not for you. Unless you live in snowy conditions deep sand or in the mountains then AWD is the bike for you. You can take an AWD bike places no other vehicles can go like driving down a skiddoo trail.
Or maybe somone might want faster accelartion off the line when stopped at a light or crosswalk. AWD is perfect on all types of pavement surfaces, just learn how to control the throttle.
AWD still useful for climbing hills and carrying stuff.
Learn some self control
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huh?
I heard you mention wheelies in the video and you seem to be the type to understand something like that so I have to ask; What is the importance of doing wheelies?! What purpose does it have other than having everyone around you say “look at that idiot, he’s gonna get himself killed!”. It’s puzzling like the whole Stanley cup thing. First time I saw it I was confused thinking “does it make bacon?!”. I mean if it did that then I could see the purpose behind the whole craze. I see people doing wheelies the same way. It’s the stupidest thing in stupid thing history. If you get e-bikes just to do wheelies, you deserve to have the cops give you tickets every day for existing.
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Can't wheelie huh? Takes lots of practice...
My electric scooter is faster than that ebike n it looks better too man. X14 from Amazon.
This ain't the place for scooter talk, it's an e-bike channel..😂
How far up do your panties hike up when you're pumping that #scooter=mangina(^)
@@mickyb.8014 scooters are better man. I have do so much to make a ebike go fast. My scooter goes 65mph out of the box.
enjoy
Yeah scooters are lame though bro😂