The Apollo Phantom Just Got EVEN BETTER! V3 vs V4 Comparison + Review
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- čas přidán 22. 06. 2024
- Ride into the future with the Apollo Phantom V4, the latest evolution of dual-motor sports scooters from Apollo. Join us as we put this powerhouse to the test against its predecessor, the Phantom V3, in a head-to-head performance showdown. From top speed tests with riders of different weights to hill climbs and braking, we test every aspect of performance in this review. Discover why the Phantom V4 is a rider-favorite for speed, stability, and range.
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YES IVE BEEN WAITING TO SEE IF I SHUD GET THE V4, you should send me the V4 because you have a lot of scooters but I have none :)
hopefully i can get the apollo pro too at one point
On their website the "ELECTRIC100" code is saying it's not valid :(
Just and fyi. The codes “ELECTRIC100 & RIDERGUIDE”. don’t apply for CANADA ,🇨🇦 , only in the U.S. I tried.
As a 220lb rider I appreciate you continuing to test with two different rider weights. Try to keep doing range tests with a heavier rider since range is such an important criteria. Thanks again!
Thanks for stopping by!
I bought my GX1 because of your first two videos on it. Super happy with it. And yet I still watch all these reviews. You do the best reviews on scooters! And that's awesome you've added the 235lb rider test.
Thank you so much! I’m working on a video that tests 19 different scooters with two rider weights! Should be a good one if we can get all 19 scooters moved to the locations we need and not get kicked out of the spots where we’re testing them all! -Paul
Hi Paul, I already bought the V4 awhile back based on your earlier V3 review lol, I wish I knew about the coupon code before I purchased and to support your channel. I'm glad you're covering it now, it does handle top speed very well and stable.
Does your V4 come with NFC card ?
Just curious…
I really love how Apollo's scooters look, and love the throttle and regenerative brake levers, but man, it is just absolutely unacceptable that they put cable actuated disc brakes and tubed tires in a >$2,000 scooter.
Thanks for stopping by!
@@Syntech_864 they haven’t started shipping the V8 levers on the Phantom yet, as far as I know. Very soon though. -Paul
Dude, the coupon code worked. THANKS!
Nice! Thanks for letting us know! -Paul
Nicely done Paul. Your reviews are some of the best. I like how Apollo is constantly improving their lineup and the toolkit is a nice touch. Would be cool to see a night ride segment showing headlight beam profile and overall visibility of the rider from a car's point of view, since commuters might ride in low light or dark.
I know these videos take a lot to produuce, keep up the good work.
Paul is the best scooter expert out their. The way he breaks down each scooter is top notch
@@dakotawolf5155wow! Thank you so much! -Paul
Thank you so much @LEXPIX! Great suggestion. I’ll see what I can do. -Paul
Thanks for your feedback!
I see Paul with a scooter in the thumbnail, I'm watching. Thank you Paul and ESG for continued world class scooter videos. Electric scooters are on the rise! There's been several people in our neighborhood who have gotten scooters this year 😁
Thank you so much for the kind words! So happy to hear you’re seeing more scooters around. I’m seeing a ton in my neighborhood too! -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Nice!
thorough testing I love it
Still love my Phantom v3. For this price range, it checks enough boxes that I will stay with this brand for the foreseeable future. Wish they had self healing tires, but no scooter is perfect. Excellent review.
Your the reason I'm saving up to buy an electric scooter love your work ❤ keep up the grind
Thank you so much for your support! -Paul
These long format, full featured videos are so fantastic! Nothing feels shortcutted at ESG anymore. Paul does such a thorough run through on these videos and I watch them all at least 2-3 times the week they come out.
After a small fleet of six, I still haven't owned an Apollo Scooter yet. For my wants/needs they always come up a little short at their price point. The Go and the Phantom have been on my radar since the Go was announced but it didn't have enough battery capacity. The Solar FF lite and Phantom lost out to my GoTrax GX3 purchase recently but that's partially because it was the most different from two other sport scooters that I have now. Apps are not important to me so that "selling point" doesn't push me to Apollo. Apollo also uses EVE cells in all models but the Pro, rather than LG or Samsung. This isn't a deal breaker for me but I do tend to compare Apollo models to other non-LG / Samsung scooters. For example the Solar FF Lite 2024 is another 3200w scooter but comes with Nutt Hydraulic brakes, larger 1380Wh battery, more efficient 60V system, tubeless self sealing tires, an even better light, motorbike grade horn, more robust stem clamp design and comes in at an average $300 less. I'll concede that the Apollo probably has the more efficient controller and dedicated regen lever but regen is ultimately marketing hype unless you're constantly stopping and accelerating. I've never seen a single, conclusive regen vs. non-regen efficiency test either but I suspect the benefit is probably insignificant when you consider how much time it takes for a 4.0A charger to charge a 1000Wh battery...and it's charging continuously. Also, it's easy to surpass a smaller battery scooter with regen simply by picking a larger battery scooter of similar design without regen. So, I think Apollo needs to consider other premium features like Hydraulic brakes, tubeless self sealing tires, or in the case of the V4.... how about updating the stem latch, Apollo. This is the only model that has retained the goofy design of the past. To my mind Version 4 was the perfect opportunity to have addressed this. The current design isn't bad, it's just not nearly has nice or functionally perfect as the one you've put on every other model.
Please can you borrow me your expertise/experience on these 3 escooters:
Varla eagle one V2, Apollo phantom V4 or solar ff lite 2024 ?
Which would you buy and why ?
Thank you
OH MY GOSH! Can the double weight speed test be standard going forward for all scooter reviews???
We’re going to keep doing it for many of the reviews. Probably not all of them. We’re cooking up something really special that you’ll see in a week or two though. -Paul
You've done videos on the fastest scooters, the most reliable scooters, etc. How about a video on the most comfortable riding scooters in different price categories? Since the bodyweights of your staff vary greatly, getting more than one opinion might be helpful too.
That's a great idea. We love ride quality. I wonder if I can find a way to objectively measure some elements of ride quality. The problem when you have 150+ scooters is you need a way to objectively rank them. I can ride 10 back to back, but it's hard to compare more than 10 scooters in a qualitative way accurately. I'll have to think about how we'd do it. -Paul
@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide @ESG-ElectricScooterGuide I would think it would have to be subjective, but being you guys have so much experience riding different scooters, you could quickly eliminate many with a very brief ride. You know in advance which scooters stood out comfort-wise by memory. You would have ride each scooter along the same line with bumps and dips, cracks, divots, patches, etc.
Although I enjoy watching the fastest scooter videos, I would never buy a 70+ mph scooter. 40 mph is the absolute fastest I would ever need to go. I don't have a death wish. Practicality is most important. Reliable, ride comfort, range, portability, availability of parts, charging time, warranty and even good looks.
Let Mitch ride it. He always figures out some way to crash 🤸♂
He's quickly catching up with my crash stats! -Paul
I bought phantomv4 thanks for the code
Awesome! Enjoy your new ride.
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuidedoes Apollo V4 come with NFC card ?
I have the v3 first e-scooter I've ever owned 1600km later it's fantastic. Fast, great control. Noticed v4 has regen tied with break triggers which i do like. Find myself naturally using break triggers rather than regen lever personally. V4 would make me feel safer for that single feature. I wonder if there will be a kit to upgrade to the v4 breaking system. Otherwise I'm still enjoying my v3. Great videos btw 👌
The 4th version and the last they will make.
Maybe? Who knows
2 very nice scooters.
I like how scooter mfg's are continuing to refine : )
I wonder when we'll get a (working) traction control? I ask because I'm thinking about my tires... and if done right can increase your launch. Sure we'll get there ; )
Thanks for the review, very helpful.
Thank you for watching and commenting!
Traction control already here in a couple scooters. The first was the Segway GT2 and then also the Kaabo Wolf King GTR. But we haven’t seen it yet in scooters with 10” tires like the Phantom. -Paul
Thanks, didn't know (or forgot) that.@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide
There's a lot of thought out design choice but then there a few bad ones on this scooter. Regen braking throttle, a good app and turn signal controls are great to see. No hydraulic brakes, tubeless tires, adjustable suspensions should be the norm on performance scooters. 1400kms I have on my Nami Klima 25ah and was looking at the V3 of this when I was shopping around don't regret my purchase. Only thing I feel like I miss out on is the cockpit controls, regen braking and the app. Great review.
Thank you so much for watching and for your insight! -Paul
Tubeless tires = a pain and inconvenience to change tires.
Hydrologic brakes (w/Regen) = most people use Regen. Waste of money including something the majority of people don't use. If the scooter had everything you mentioned, it would co$t more. Businesses want to give people options for price and preference. They also need to save money for future upgrades. You can't have it all.
@@jdubdoubleu Apollo Phantom V4 $2799AUD, Nami Klima 25Ah $2699. You can have those features giving up the ones I mentioned for less money. I've changed a fair share of tubeless on Ninebot G66 Max 2 and Nami Klima and 4 zip ties is all it takes without tools but levers do help. And the Klima has regen just when off throttle not with a separate thumb throttle like the Phantom.
@@jasonwu2758 it's apparent you don't understand business logic. Your response is solely based on how *you* feel as a consumer.
Paul, do you have an idea when we may get a roadrunner rx7 review from you? I know they are just releasing, but im super excited to see what you all have to say about them
We're getting one of the very first ones, but we don't know exactly when. Soon, we hope. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide ok awesome, looking forward to it!
G'day Paul. I am stuck between a rock & a hard place with the Phantom as I've always admired it even from the original V1 yet a couple of minor grips (tubed tyres / old school battery charge terminals) are preventing me from investing. I can see it is a nice comfortable ride and I love the ergonomics of the Handlebar / hand grips.
I am holding off for it's replacement from Apollo as I feel it's just around the corner and I know I'll kick myself IF I were to take the plunge now. BTW.... gorgeous day on the bay, where abouts are you shooting this content? Looks really quiet were you doing this on a weekday ? Another fantastic review, I'd love to see Ramier doing a little more 'Big DAWG'n is the big fella shy? He wasn't back in the Thursday Night Live days with yourself & Chuck. Speaking of Chuck how is he ? Is he still involved with ESG or did he move on ? Regards Aussie Dave
Hi Dave,
Great assessment. Ramier doesn’t mind getting on camera when I ask, as long as I give him notice so he can get camera-ready. We’ve got one coming up where he gives his thoughts on a lot more scooters. Chuck has moved on and has two little ones now. He has a pickleball app and wrote a book. I still talk to him a couple times a month. We miss talking to him about scooters, and we miss the live show, but we’re making more recorded content because of the time saved from not doing the live show. So great to hear from such a long time follower of the channel. -Paul
Love Pauls reviews❤ Can we get a review on Motocross helmets for scooters Paul, love cross helmets that gives that good ventilation when riding, ty
Hmmm…I’ve been looking at getting one. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide getting a troy lee se5 carbon- very light and great ventilation, on sale myself, so great helmets pricy but very good, 6d , fox , alpine stars, bell , leatt,
That is pretty cool. I do wonder if we can change the tube tires tubeless having the split rim thing. This is nife though, it doesn't look too heavy either.
Hey, good to see you! Been enjoying your videos. Unfortunately, split rims like these definitely can't use tubeless tires. -Paul
I don't understand why a dedicated regen brake lever doesnt come on every e-bike, scooter, battery electric transpo. Dumb not to. And i dont want to hear "to keep cost down" nonsense
Cause real riders don't prefer regen brakes. In theory it's great but when you're goin 40+ mph you aren't hitting no regen lever to come to a sudden stop. You're gunna hit the brakes.
To keep cost down
Nobody said u cant us3 regular brakes but to prolong brake life, u use regen. When u ride chill, u can use regen @JBernabe8949
First off love the video, second, Is the coupon code only for US? In Quebec and ut is not working for me.
We told Apollo the issue. They should be fixing the issue shortly.
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuidewhat are d dimensions of Apollo V4 ?
Length . Height. Width ?
Folded and unfolded ?
Please thanks
How they going to redesign the motors and still have tubed tires. still on my list for most wanted scooter to upgrade from my Hover 1 max. Maybe next year they will do it in tubeless.
It’s the only scooter in their lineup not running tubeless at this point. -Paul
I love that it uses tubed tires, much easier to change than tubeless tires.
Great point!
It has been came to my atteattention through the Apollo page on Facebook that the Phantom you have is the v3 version, Apollo is now rolling out the actual 2024 version to customers, for some reason they wanted to get rid of their old stock, I have raised this issue with Apollo today. The 2024 has wider tires which are tubeless and they also provided thicker, better quality throttle triggers.
Just wanted to put it out there, maybe if you can look into it. Cheers!
Thanks so much for the heads-up! That’s crazy. I knew the levers changed, but they went tubeless? That’s super strange. They must have decided to do a V4.5 or something, because our unit was definitely shipped to us as a V4. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide I did reach out to Apollo regarding the same, the sent me this reply,
Model Identification: The scooter you received is the latest Phantom V4 model. We are in the process of updating our QC cards and serial numbers to better reflect this. Please accept our apologies for any confusion caused by these transitional updates.
2. Throttle Information: Regarding the V8 throttles, they are a feature planned for future updates and are not yet implemented in the Phantom V4. We apologize for any misunderstanding and appreciate your patience as we update our product descriptions to be more accurate.
3. Documentation Consistency: The documentation for both V3 and V4 models is similar due to only slight enhancements in the V4. Rest assured, the internal documentation will be updated gradually. Your understanding is greatly appreciated as we make these changes to improve clarity and accuracy.
They should have added the new triggers and tyres to the phantom we have or at least provided us the accessories, but they just apologized. I’ve sent them another reply, waiting for their response. Also, in their email they didn’t comment on the tubeless tyres part, just ignored that 🥲
He has the V4. Anything with a manufacturer date of 7/23 and up is V4. The new one with tubeless tires is V4X.
@@snailarmy2125 that’s what the company wants you to believe
How would you compare this with the Gotrax GX3? From your review I would say the thing I like least about the GX3 is that it doesn't have an app, but besides Top Speed it seems it would beat the V4 in most areas like Build quality, hydraulic braking (unless the regenerative braking on the V4 nearly matches it while saving maintenance costs), suspension etc. is the V4 acceleration much better with its claimed extra 200 W of power per wheel?
This is an upgrade from the GX3! Smoother , better braking.
The weight of the Phantom V4 is what sold me over competitors. I did like the GoTrax GX3 but the 94lbs deterred me, and ultimately I think I'm gonna go with the Phantom.
Very solid scooter for sure!
I would love to see a comparison between a gotrax GX3 vs. apollo Phantom V4. Which one would be better. It would help me decide which one to buy.
Interesting idea! We will try our best
Please do a comparison with the Pro Vs Phantom
Noted! Tnx
Apollo makes nice scooters, but for the price, I feel like it should have tubeless tires and hydraulic brakes. The competition in this class is really strong. I really do like the dedicated regenerative braking lever. I almost bought an Apollo just for that reason alone. I would like to see that adopted industry-wide.
Did Apollo discontinue the Ghost? I can't find one.
Yes they DC the ghost! The issue many people are missing is with the dedicated REGEN brake for the Apollo models you will be using that regen brake 95% of the time hence the hydraulic brakes are not necessary.
hey, is the niu 300x the next video?
I'm not sure when the 300X is coming. We don't have the scooter on hand yet. -Paul
Will you guys try the ENGWE Y600 ?
I haven’t heard of that one, but will look it up. -Paul
That just sounds like an unreliable scooter lol
Do you know when Best Electric Scooters of 2024 is coming out? Here's my list, I'm curious how many of these electric scooters will be on it:
Apollo Pro, Apollo Go, Ninebot MAX G2, Inmotion RS, NAMI Klima, Kaabo Wolf King GTR, of course, the EMOVE Roadster, what else? Oh, maybe the Roadrunner RX7, the VMAX VX2, VX3, VX4.
"Apollo Pro, Apollo Go, Ninebot MAX G2, Inmotion RS, NAMI Klima, Kaabo Wolf King GTR, of course, the EMOVE Roadster, RX7, VMAX VX2, VX3, VX4"
I wouldn't be surprised to see most of those on the list. For sure all of those brands have at least one scooter on Best Electric Scooters of 2024. -Paul
Ive never seen anyone else line a screw up like that and it makes me happy i knew a trick you use without seeing it done prior lol i started doing it that way after i swapped my rotor screws out and cross threaded one and had to replace more parts lol scooter is my main form of transportation. Looking into picking up a second one to have as a back up incase something messes up on my main one and leaves me waiting on parts. Thinking i might get a mantis, just dont know exactly what one yet
We have a video coming out in about a week that tests two different Mantis (and 17 other scooters) :-)
-Paul
@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide that's amazing! I don't mind holding off a week or even 2 if it means I'll find the perfect one! Thank you to everyone that helps put these videos together, I'd be so lost without everyone at esg! 🤝🤝🤝🙏
Is there any difference between the City Pro 2023 vs. 2024?
Few minor upgrades!
Ye old Alameda Naval Air Station. Always cool see in these videos when testing out new scooters.
We love that place. I didn't realize until just this week that we could get so close to the Hornet! -Paul
I would like your professional opinion......Nami Klima or Apollo Phantom V4? Which one would you purchase at this time? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Nami kilma
Both are good options! Solid
Make a video on 2024 Solar FF Lite edition
Could you plug in 2 fast chargers to get 2 as fast as one fast charger?
Yes you can!
Nice review as always Paul. It is just not enough spec for too much $ vs the competition. What are the side by side differences of the v3 vs v4? Seems like they barely changed anything and a .2 sec difference in 0-30 is not enough to warrant a whole new version.... Apollo needs to up their game. Max speed of at least 50, hydraulic brakes, adjustable hydraulic suspension and tubeless tires at the bare minimum.
It's the smallest change we've seen between generations, but I was surprised I could feel a difference in acceleration and stability between the two. New throttle levers are coming soon too, but aren't shipping yet, so I didn't want to confuse and disappoint people by mentioning that. -Paul
Hi Paul my friend 🙋
I can't understand why Apollo keeps 52v batteries and also mechanical brakes!!!🤷
They give most of them attention in controllers... But v4 around 2000$ is expensive!!
They are going for the mass audiences and the average commute in the US is 5 miles round trip. The mechanical brakes are absolutely sufficient bevause the dedicated regen brake is all you will be using.
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuideI'm not judging Apollo... But the market getting bigger with decent scooters (especially with 2000$)...
In these category (mid-scooters), 2023-24 model all haves Regan braking!! But when you see mechanical brakes or drum automatically lower the scooter!
The same is why a 52v vs 60v battery...
The cost for these two upgrades is small for Apollo... But if they do it they will be KING of the game!!!☝️
I'm transferring the option of many guys when we talk about Apollo scooters!
I'm only trying to help.. with all my love and respect!!🙋😘
I feel like the big companies are sticking to 52V (sub 60v fully charged) because 60V has sort of been agreed upon world wide as a safe voltage for humans. You can make a lot of power at lower voltage, but you do need more copper to handle the current.
With the brakes, I’m pretty sure the logic is that 90% of the time you’ll end up using the regen and in the long run cable brakes are more reliable than hydraulic, though some brands of hydraulics are pretty good. (Zoom brakes seem less reliable). -Paul
Managed to upload this just a few days after I bought one myself! Honestly I was more leaning towards the Nami Klima, but there was a longer delay on getting the product and I needed one now. My Gotrax GX2 front motor sadly stopped working and I am waiting for them to respond to my warranty request and I still need something for getting to work easily (I have a coworker that plans to buy the GX2 off me so it worked out).
That said one thing that I find kind of odd is the Apollo site. It said on the site when I ordered the scooter on the 10th that I would get it by the 17th, yet they have not even shipped it yet. After I contacted support Thursday it turns out it was out of stock with them expecting stock to come in the 20th which would have been nice to know beforehand. On top of that under the "New Upgrades for 2024" tab they list the revamped steering and motors, but previously (when I bought the scooter) it mentioned "New V8 throttles for more ergonomic riding". Since that is no longer on the website does that mean I don't get that, or that it was a mistake? They really need to improve and make sure the website is better updated and accurate.
EDIT:
Small little update, I contacted support about the throttle thing. They said that it was an error as the throttles will be later implemented on future V4 models, but there is no ETA yet... kind of a bummer.
Hopefully you get it soon!
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Thanks, when I sent a support msg about the the throttles I also asked for another update and they needed some more time to figure it out so emailed me after. Turns out there was a glitch that did not push my order out to fulfillment, but the support got it fixed and it was shipped today (yesterday for me now). A few silly issues, but the support was always quick to respond and very friendly so not the worst experience in the world.
Any chance for mopeds too?
We review those over on our RiderGuide channel. -Paul
why is only apollo doing that dedicated regen brake throttle??
that feature is game changing. it should be an absolute standard feature on all scooters with capable controllers.
It’s interesting. There are other scooters that do it, but they’re all smaller and mostly single motor scooters. The only dual motor I can think of is the Unagi, then there is the Ninebot ES4 and ES2, and the Hiboy S2. I think it’s tricky doing it on a fast sports scooter without blowing up your motor controller. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide understandable, im just saying, i owned a king gt for quite a while and a mostly used regen braking on that beast. never had issues with the motors. its just awesome not having to pull actual brake levers to activate the regen braking and with a dedicated throttle, the regen can be controlled better.
i dunno, thats why that rion curve throttle is special. its literally 2 throttles in one.
Weight was just part. The total area of wind resistance effected the top speed runs too.
True. Weight has almost no effect on top speed. Its only contribution is a tiny impact on rolling resistance. But larger area of wind resistance is almost 100% of the difference! -Paul
If you have to guess, can the Apollo Phantom be capable of going 50 miles or over with a constant speed of 15 mph in eco mode from the new upgrades it got?
Would be rather close! Also depends on riders weight and conditions.
Hopefully they fixed the front stem bolt
the Every single phantom ive repaired has the front bolt that attaches the front end to the scooter. Snap
EVERY SINGLE ONE
I noticed that it came with a spare stem bolt. We haven’t had any snap so far. I don’t want to assume anything about your riding style, but I would definitely pay attention to how much you use your legs vs your arms to keep yourself balanced when the acceleration comes on. It’s possible that using a wider stance could help. -Paul
aww the coupon code doesn't work, at least not in Canada
Code RIDERGUIDE in Canada should work
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide hmmm, I'm getting "Enter a valid discount code or gift card" when I try it at check out, weird
When Apollo start selling directly to Europe???
They already did! Please email CS for details.
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuidehello, what is your email adress please?
Code doesn’t work in Canada!
Try code RIDERGUIDE
Hi there! Please help me to choose right scooter.
I try to find a best light weight, fun, with good suspension scooter. I have checked around 40 models and choose only 3 of them.
Mantis 8 or 10.
Dualtron raptor 2 or eagle.
My aim is jump a lot of bumps, aggressive ride in park dirt roads. And here in Ukraine we have a bad asphalte with a lot of holes and i am scary to lose all my teeth.
Raptor 2 has the best perfomance compare to a weight of just 22kg (48lbs). But... it has only 8 inch tiers which i scary with out bad roads... But it also goes iwth rubber suspension which is good for jumping but again seems bad for raod as dualtron comes with airless tires.
Mantis 8 has spring suspensions nad + 3 kg.
But Mantis 10 as Dualtron eagle, comes with 10 inch tiers but 30 kg (66lbs) which is a huge difference and i am just not sure... spring suspensions and + kg weight or runbber suspensions light weight....
Go with the mantis king GT
It is too heavy for jumping from the bumps…33 kg
Looks nice but very similar looks to my Vsett 10+
Definitely direct competitors. -Paul
Did I hear: "The more times I say it, the more it is true"?
Thanks for watching deep enough in the video to hit some repetition. We film out of order because it helps us get the videos out faster, but I end up repeating things some times. I was on the fence about doing one more round of edits to remove some of it last night. I’ll edit more out next time. I appreciate the feedback. -Paul
Pointing the fact's repeatedly is not problem. Problem is that it's not true and i think you know it. Excessive repeating doesn't make it more truth.
Oh, weird. Now I don’t know what you’re talking about. Which part do you feel is inaccurate? -Paul
@ElectricScooterGuide . How come you guys don't have a review for the Inmotion Climber scooter?
Hopefully soon!
Purchase a scooter shoulder strap if you plan on carrying it up/down stairs
YES IVE BEEN WAITING TO SEE IF I SHUD GET THE V4, you should send me the V4 because you have a lot of scooters but I have none :)
Haha
my friend asked me to ask you if you could send me a V3
Why would you need a 10,000km warranty for the frame? Most Apollo batteries (or controllers) won't make it past 18 months.
Many other scooters framed break believe it or not. Depends on the build.
There's 60v with better displays,side panel lights & indicator lights front and rear,(A Must for city roads) for $1500 on the market 😊
Thanks for stopping by!
This feels like the car wow for escooters 😭
Can you pull some wheelies on it?
I’m sure someone can. I’m the worst at wheelies. Ever since I was a kid. -Paul
I still wish they went with hydraulic brakes.
Thanks to the dedicated REGEN brake you will be using that 95% of the time. At that point mechanical or hydraulic make little difference. The regen brake is that good.
ELECTRIC100 doesn't work for the Apollo Phantom in Canada.
Yes that code was US only! You can use code RIDERGUIDE in Canada
Paul says there is a big difference between the V3 and the V4. 0-30 , 7.1s V4 vs 7.3s for the V3.. That no difference at all. .02s who can note that ?
0.2 not .02
It's about 3% quicker. I can apparently feel 3% quicker. -Paul
The really big difference I was talking about was that when Ramier and I were comparing speed runs on the same V4, his top speed wasn’t that different from mine but his acceleration was very different from mine.
-Paul
Go fast, be skinny! 💯🏆👍
Who can keep up with apollo everytime one gets a scooter they upgrade he version in a month thus no1 can actually enjoy what they get as one always wnats the mist updated version ? 🤯this is why I chose kabbo and not to go with apollo and they in next city over from me
Also i rode apollo phantom v4 other day and never appealed to me my mantis still blew it away lol
Tho I did like the regen throttle on apollo that was pretty cool extra feature but not enough to sell me
Which Kaabo Mantis electric scooter do you have. -Paul
Kaabo's are built solid and great quality. The durability of the wolf king gt pro I ride is second to none. It's always been so stable at 50mph+
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide hey Paul, you guys rock always I've been following you guys since day 1 ! And know apollo well the company as they are close to me and used to talk to them all the time but they get to ahead of themselves and it became overwhelming for my neurodivergent brain lol
But I have the newest mantis 10
And wolf warrior
Also have gotrax g4 and X9 scooters
They are for my son
But I've always been huge into racing and extreme sports my whole life
And im now 40
AMD being 6 foot 2 about 175 lbs
I like taller scooters too
But..god bless you guys always and keep doing what you do !
If I only ever had a chance to join the club hah thatd be so cool
You guys are stars in this e world 👍🤙
At that price youd think they would at least put hydrolic or semi hydrologic brakes on that🤔🤔 probably a 50 dollar expense at their cost.
I think the reason they didn’t is they spent the money on the regen brakes, and they expect that 90% of the time you’ll be using the regen anyway (which is true in my case) -Paul
@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide maybe🤷♂️.....but I think that's putting excuses before safety. 🙏
Do you feel like hydraulic brakes are safer? To me, they mainly have more lever feel, but I don't really see a correlation between hydraulic brakes and stopping distance. Hmmmmm.... I should go graph that! -Paul
@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide yeah maybe you should do that and quorelate the likelihood of a brake cable snapping when torque gripping the brake versus the likelihood of a hydraulic line bursting...haven't had that happen to me yet...but 3 brake cables in 2 years have...it's nice that you respond even if it's sarcasm,, just a shame you can't see past your nose...but I guess you gotta keep those sponsors and free scooters coming in🤷♂️
The Phantom needs a makeover...
Still a great seller so still popular!
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide I wonder if ALL the Phantom riders will transition to the Apollo Pro....GREAT work guys. Thanks for sharing!
Tubed tired on a 40mph scooter. Not safe at all. Wheel wobble is 100 percent going to occur near top speed. Its a fact. But nobody doing a sponsored video ever brings this up.
I've ridden scooters which had tires which were out of round or out of balance, but this particular V4 was dead stable at top speed. -Paul
😅 in the future the Apollo v 69 😅😅😅😅
Ha ha ha!
just take the nami klima
Have you ridden one? It’s an interesting scooter. In some ways I think of it as half way between the regular 10” tire sports scooters and the 11” tire scooters because it’s 7 lbs heavier than the Phantom V4. But that acceleration! -Paul
Лучше Blade gt2.
Thanks for the suggestion. I’ll have a look. -Paul
IP54 .... really?
The overwhelming majority of scooter riders don’t ride in the rain. To those that need higher ip rating. Many options available
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide IP66 is the minimum standard from now on. Watch the rest go bankrupt.
Rotors sucks they thinner than average scooters in that price range
All of the rotors I've measured have been about the same at just under 2mm thick with the exception of the Wolf King series, the GT1 and GT2 and the Inmotion RS scooters. Where scooters get into trouble are anything with 160mm diameter on a 10" wheel because they stick out further and bump into things. -Paul
Hello, can I charge this scooter 2 charger simultaneously for ? Thanks
Yes, you can
From my experience, Inokim makes a much better scooter than Apollo. Although both are Chinese made unfortunately. If you find a daily use scooter not made in China, please let us know.
Thanks for stopping by!
It is 2024, not 1980. A lot of stuff that comes out of china is good
@@berengerchristy6256 Lol! Yeah, China is known for quality lol. The communist party of China loves people like you! Who cares about inferior products, intellectual property theft, election interference, mass drug exporting, child labour, unsafe working conditions and products, environmental abuse, animal rights abuse, etc., etc.. Maybe consider the countries you support a little more. I’d rather pay more and not support such things. Not caring, or thinking about these things is extremely shortsighted.
Throttle response on the inokim oxo is is quite twitchy and unstable when trying to maintain a certain speed for example. What are your thoughts on that? Would be nice to see a comparison between this and the OXO.
@@berengerchristy6256 What an uneducated comment.