AliExpress Special! - i7 Skylake Mobile on a Desktop Motherboard
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A couple weeks ago, I reviewed an Intel Core i5-6500 build inside a PC a rescued from a recycler. I mentioned the limiting factor in gaming might be that CPU's lack of hyperthreading, but wasn't able to upgrade to an 8-Thread chip. Today, we're going to compare that to a Skylake Mobile chip in the Core i7-6700HQ on this Jingsha H170 motherboard. Will the 4-Cores and 8-Threads
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It's nice knowing that after the old Xeon on sketchy boards trend has been replaced with old mobile CPUs on sketchy desktop motherboards
@@LovelyAlanna 11th gen is 8 years old, it ain't young my dude
@@marcogenovesi8570 time flies!
@@marcogenovesi8570 Intel 11th gen CPU is released in Q2 2021, how the hell its 8 years old?
@@pingtime Skylake is 8 years old
11th gen its not skylake, but tiger lake, and 11th gen mobile is using newer 10nm fab process and using Sunny cove cores, which is not skylake based cores @@marcogenovesi8570
"Wolfenstein in the smallest window possible"
Man that brings back some old memories!
I had a 386 SX-16 playing wolf, so I think I wasn't quite the smallest but definitely not full screen.
Single and multi reversed in cinebench chart.
Thanks to your channel, I just scored an E-Waste I7-7700K, Gigabyte HD-110 v2 board, whopping 8gb 3200 G-Skill memory and 500watt generic power supply for the whopping Sum of Free Ninety Free. The plan is to use an E-waste 250gb SSD for the Boot Drive, and currently 4 1tb HDD's that were going to be tossed by friends who upgraded their systems to NVMe drives and larger capacity HDD's. My old NZXT H510 case, and poof, very very cheap NAS. This is a "Just for fun, and if it breaks, it was fun!"
Man I love all these quirky mobile chip atx boards. I have a couple of the erying 11th gen boards running my proxmox environment. I’d love to see this become more mainstream and more flexible in throwing mobile processors and Gpus on dies so we can build more energy efficient gaming rigs.
Ive been looking at getting one of those, how are the vrms doing and at wattage are you using
Can't get gpu passthrough to work
@@Shaddow798 my environment using these boxes is working great however I do not have Plex or gpu passthrough on these boxes. I have a dedicated 1L pc dedicated to Plex and I use Intel quicksync enabled igpu for transcoding. The mobile chip atx boxes I build draw on average 30w and that’s with 2 nvme drives, 2 128gb ssds and a dual port 10gb nic. I’m pretty happy with how they turned out and they replaced three power hungry Xeon boxes and use about a third of the power. The vrms are a little toasty but I have good fans in the box and haven’t noticed any slowdowns or sluggishness of the systems. The last one I bought has the upgraded vrm.
@@Shaddow798 I've pulled the trigger on the 11600H today after thinking about it on and off for a couple of days, I guess I'll know if i made a mistake or not in a fortnight I guess.
@ 4:49 the Performance numbers for Single/Multi have to be reversed - Top Line is Multi, Bottom Line is Single. Great Review anyways!
was just getting ready to comment on this.
Fun video. I agree not the best platform, but still fun to give a test drive. Happy to be along for the ride.
My son's PC has an i7-6820hq(ql2x) with a gigabyte b150 power 2 motherboard. I can configure 4.2ghz on all cores through biosmod, the memories are at 2666ghz frequency and it is very stable.
Oh man I haven't watched a video from you in a few months. I forgot how good they are!
Ive been looking for exactly this board for a long time.
I made a machine years ago with a top end gen 2 i7 laptop cpu in a desktop case to make a nice home NAS. It works great for its purpose.
i still do a little gaming on my 2nd gen i7 laptop. 2990XM, 16gb 1600, all SSD storage, and an r9 m290x 4gb. plays dayz and grounded pretty well. i do have to run a custom fan curve for it to keep up with cooling, but for an 11 year old dell workstation laptop, it's pretty impressive
@@ghomerhust that is is nice older gaming laptop. It reminds me of my dos laptop for gaming which is a pentium 133mmx with 192 megs of ram and some ancient video card expansion that runs on solid state. 😁
You can put a QTJ2 into H110 boards. I think that's the best value.
Of course you need to mod the BIOS yourself, but I was using a QTJ0 in a Z170 board at 5Ghz for dailying my hackintosh
Unless I've lost my mind, you have the single and multi-threaded numbers flipped at 4:50.
Love how you roll the dice on these odd aliexpress things, and hit or miss let us know
🙂 neat, thanks for chking out these experiments
"RETRO Rig" the 6700HQ is basically a i7 3770 (2012) but at 45 watts instead of 77. So use it with a R9 290X/ GTX 970 (or something else close to the time period) and play 2014 AAA titles or older.
Agreed. Pay the small extra and pick up the Erying 11th or 12th gen CPU/mobo combo. I have a 12th gen Erying board and it's been rock solid, running 24/7 as a Plex server
I'd be surprised if the reboot issues weren't mostly from ram compatibility. I had a LGA775 biostar mobo that could do DDR2 and DDR3 that did the same thing. Would (re)boot fine with any DDR2, but only liked one brand with a specific ranking of DDR3. Even with that DDR3 it would still have reboot/boot issues. One day years later I pulled the system out of retirement for a project and ended up diagnosing it again in frustration. I had the ram replaced under lifetime warranty as a "hail marry" and that completely fixed it. Issue never happened again.
Laptops can be picky about which RAM they like.
Was building a rig today that didn't POST, was about to give up and warrenty-return everything I had touched until I remembered that running a return because of hypothetical magic finger energy is as pathetic and cringe as it gets and if I really think I'm such a failure I should just curl up and die. Then I realized I hadn't plugged the 8-pin ATX CPU power in to the PSU properly and I felt a wave of relief so powerful I immediately emptied my bladder and balls.
I have a lot of respect for people who do a return and still continue the build, is what I'm trying to say. What ever drives you truly scares me.
It might not be a Windows gaming beast but emulation or a kind of arcade case build might be something to try.
I'm glad someone else has had the same kind of problem with the inexpensive skylake on the market currently.
For me it was hard to get the two that I've tried up to a place that I would consider usable. The performances low compared to other stuff out there without having to spend the time or having to even find an enclosure. You can look to the secondary market that will dwarf the performance of most of this probable e-waste. It just wasn't a fun experience to mess with.
Specifically a pixel 7A phone did a better job Emulating older games than I was able to get out of the I-5 version I had.
That performance is definitely just Windows's infinitely bloating overhead. Use a Linux flavor like Intel's Clear Linux, or Mint Mate, or Windows 7 offline if you insist on sticking to Windows. The real reason not to get this thing besides the boot up/shut down issues, is the fan. That fan design will silently die and roast the CPU, same reason reason AMD and Nvidia AIBs stopped shipping GPU coolers like that at the bottom end.
See, I like CC because of how he's basically the Ian McCollum of PC parts.
Was looking for a new board for my 1U mATX server. So this looked really promising as my power supply is a 200w unit. But having reliability issues put a nail in the coffin so to say.
Since you might be the kind of CZcamsr to show interest: Chinese 3080M 16GB (!) mobile-on-a-PCIe-card frankensteins have become available, they seem very tempting! The price is around $350
Thanks for reviewing this motherboard, it's a damn shame the ram is only single channel. If it had dual channel ram I bet the i7 would perform much better.
Just buy zen2 at this price and pair with a320/a520m
My 4500 is $50 last month and it worked good with $60 b450m steel legend
These mobile CPUs on desktop boards would make a great low power server
I don't know about professional service and Jingsha in particular, but my latest Huananzhi builds were plug-and-play, something I don't frequently encounter even in branded motherboards lately
I have a use for the mobo.. A '79 Kenmore top-load washer...
One thing missing that I would have like to know, though:idle and max system wattage, and compared to the desktop.
i tink we can use the bord for a proxmox with a pcie rj45 port extender or direkt 10gb 40gb networking and open/pfsense so we little lxc's for adguard/pihole, nextcloud, mailcow etc
it would make a good pond skipper bud.
I bought the Erying i9 board on your recommendation and it's been chugging along fine for months now. Only issue I had was one non-responsive m.2 port but it wasn't a huge issue to by an M.2 to USB adapter to transfer over my old files onto my new 2tb drive. The performance in silly, I have a bit old RX480 that's the bottleneck on the system but when running the Shadow of the Tomb Raider benchmarks, the CPU was only ever hitting 5-10% while the GPU was doing its best. Still enough to play the games I want on moderate settings so I'll upgrade when I can find a deal but not rushing to do so.
still debating on buying a 12th gen itx setup once they hit a sale and snag a 12650h (or dare i say a 12900h) if the price is right.
I just got a 13th Gen ITX in. Should have a video of it on the channel in the next couple weeks.
I have the Erying i9 also with a GTX 1070 and it's been working great
@@CraftComputing Why play with that ? 230$ you can have new mobo + 16gb ddr4 + Ryzen 5 3600 6 cores 12 threads (NEW) or Ryzen 7 2700 8 cores 16 threads (used) , and you have no issue with chinese crap...
@@smilingpolitely12345 it's more interesting...?
After the revie, either e-waste or an really cheap router in a tiny form factor, that is if it can do 10Gig
Updating the bios might fix that reboot issue.
I think a lot of people sleep on Brother Thelonious because Old Rasputin is so damn good. I wish it was easier to find. Also, APEX in SE Portland has an impressive collection of vintage North Coast bottles among other things.
Can you do a video looking at another onboard processor. I can see an i7 11th gen for £115. Seems a good deal?
Wow, that's the same CPU that I have in my almost 8-year old Macbook Pro. And I thought THAT was starting to get long in the tooth!
They make them up to 13900H. Wild.
I have been using an erying motherboard with the ES 11950H (I think - windows shows CPU 0000 @ 2.6ghz 8c16t) and Win10 2019 LTSC with 32gb ram and a P2000 (upgraded all of my plex machines to P4's) and honestly forget that it is all of the jank. It runs 3x 4k monitors at 60hz as well as a soundbar over HDMI from the onboard graphics..... and is actually rock solid.
Yah, I would never recommend 6th gen jank boards, 11th gen is much nicer. (I own a 6700HQ laptop, so I wouldn't have even tried this board)
I just got an Fujitsu Q558 for my new "nas" with an i3-8100 for ~$140, I hate that the CPU is on par or even better than my e3-1230v2, and I'm stil holding with upgrading it.
I see a RTX 4000 SFF box in the background. Do you have a piece coming up on a build with that card?
I do 😁
Maybe a low power NAS. If it could be made a bit more stable, it could be an option.
Is it possible to review an HM76 chipset (3rd gen Intel Mobile) motherboard?
I have a Toshiba satellite C855 that got upgraded from an i3 3120m to an i7 3612qm. Because there is no demand for such an old piece of silicon, I plan on repurposing it. I found a motherboard from PCWINMAX and ASUS VC60
7:15 I played wolfenstein on a x386 "Turbo", I think, in 1992. I downloaded from my bbs on my friends PC ($2,000) because computers didn't exist inside a reasonable cost.
The worst thing about these Frankenstein boards are the broken features like you mentioned.
I am looking at one of the Erying i9 ES boards, what air cooler type heatsink would you recommend for regular usage?
They're such low wattage, even an Intel box cooler works great. I recommend a downward facing fan, just to make sure the VRM stays cool as well. The ID-Cooling IS-40 is a great option for ~$25: amzn.to/41wQY1U
@@CraftComputing Thanks for that info. Do you also have a suggestion for a 2U compatible heatsink? The Erying i9 boards look like they would be just as powerful but use a lot less power than my current SuperMicro dual socket 2011 motherboard with matched E5-2695 V2 processors in a 36 bay SuperMicro Chassis with 2U sizing used for the motherboard. My primary usage for this is unRAID with a Plex Server Docker container to serve up media for my home network through a Roku.
I came for the computers but stayed for the beers!
how would it be as something like an unraid server?
Bootleg desktop Meteor Lake when?
Thanks for another interesting "will it work?" ultra-budget build.
Meteor Lake is going to be a little while still.
Intel arc page says that CPU only supports up to 2133
4:55 Ahhh your stats mixed up on the on screen stat image.
If it was dual channel memory it would be gooder. Also if it was eighth gen. that would be greater.
Ill stick to my Erying itx 12 gen boards, Its stable rarely crashes and it outporforms a lot of desktops mobo within the price point and if you live near a Microcenter you can get a 6950xt to pair with it for 549.99 and be under 1500
o my god.. having problems to reset boot makes any update a problem.. why did they launched this? and single channel memory? currently im seing this product on ali express at 60 dollars and surely is because of the amount of problems it has. If only they polished it up a little bit more
Did you change coin battery on the board? It should resolve problem with start issues.
Didn't ship with a 2032. I put a brand new one in.
I could see this as an option except, you know, a hojillion exploits and vulns baked right in to the ROMs on the board.
It's the enviteablity of time
I still have my msi dominator with this chip in it. It pairs well with it's real gtx 1060 but it is definitely getting old at this point.
🤔 Maybe you could stack a bunch and make a cheap powerful cluster! I'd love to see something like that.
The issue is these things are more expensive per compute power than getting like first or second gen ryzen parts on the used market. As Jeff showed the R5 2600 is OVER 2x the multicore in cinebench than this... and it costs much less than 2x as much... and honestly at this point even 2700, 3600, and 3700s are in a similar price category. Or heck; a 5600&cheap b450 board cost less than 2x this... and would probably be nearly 4x the performance.
So this really only makes sense as a really cheap bottom barrel solution or maybe as a lower power consumption option.
@@daymianhogue1634 low power is exactly what I'm after in this situation
Are the multi threaded and single threaded titles incorrectly swapped or am I having a stroke?
Who wants toast?
@@CraftComputing shame shame shame
build a cheap nas with a 40g dual port card plus nvme or raid0 ssd array(s) - upgrade path includes a clone for dual nas - no switch needed just point to point between ws and nas and/or other nas - the cards are 40-50 bucks - add dac or transceiver and cat8 which is pretty minor considering the speed increase over 1g or 2.5g - high interest for this for smb mkt - almost everybody is moving big backups, vms, lots of media these days and spinning rust plus nvme are getting cheaper making nas a good idea and two of them an even better idea for mission critical data
I just picked up an ASRock IMB-V1000P (V1807B, QC, 3.35GHz, 35-54W Vega 11), think 2400G.
It has 32GB ram, 512 GB NVMe and power supply for $125. I think I got a pretty good deal. The 32GB ram is on the slower side, but I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth. 😅
for the price I'd want the n100 motherboard.
I commend stripping down old laptops for parts but I just don’t see a use case for these systems.
Where’d you get that shirt?
I’d personally spend the extra ~$30USD (~$50AUD w/ taxes) for a Tiger Lake 11th generation Intel mobile cpu/mobo combos.
I have an 11th generation Intel laptop featuring a i9-11800H and it’s quite the performer imo for my gaming and business/home office needs. I feel 11th generation CPUs (obviously not as good as Alder lake+ CPUs with P-cores and E-cores) but it is still a powerful cpu to have!
I recommend exactly this at the end of the video.
I dare say that if this had proper dual channel memory support, it arguably would have fared better. but yeah, that is a hard sell :/ Reminds me of my old Alienware Alpha R2 with its single channel RAM config and i7-6700T actually performing worse than the older R1 and the 4770T with dual channel RAM
I can beat those R15 scores with Sandy bridge.
Not at 45W you can't.
I want a board like that so it doesn't drain battery's glamping setup. Any suggestions ?
For similar price and performance, snag an Intel N100. Just as fast, but draws only 6W of power at full tilt.
@@CraftComputing sweet. TY
It should be good for a server if it were to have a more stable bios.
No point to buy this over an Erying 11600H ES board for $25 more, especially with the problems I had getting the Jingsha to even turn on.
Maybe offtopic, maybe not. Epyc 7F52 (high clockspeed 16c), Epyc 7532 (32c/64t) and Epyc 7352 (24c/48t) are getting cheaper. Paired with Supermicro H11SSL-i could be the next homelab platform to replace the Xeons E5.
It's definitely getting close. With Genoa launching, I'm hoping to start seeing SP3 motherboards dropping in price. $250 is still too much for most people to spend on just a board.
Bother, the 6000 series has very poor encode with quicksync :( Now if this had an 8000 or 9000 series chip...
Where the single and multi labels backwards 😅😅
Mobile CPUs slapped onto a carrier PCB to fit in old retail boards a fucking awesome. I have a 6 core coffee lake chip slapped into an old itx Z170 board. 5ghz and 32 gigs of ram at 3200 this thing sings at only $45. Wish I snagged one of the 8 cores before they sold out though.
Honestly this is just expensive enough it's DoA to me. at $100 You can often find deals at this price point on R5 or R7 chips from 1600-3700 with b450 boards... Which just kinda trounce this, without half the sketchiness; and with much more upgradability and reparability.
Target Practice?
With it not posting reliably...I can't think of any uses.
Do they want you to download weird hacked together drivers too? Just that by itself would be a hard pass for me. I don’t care how it performs.
Looks like it would make a good Plex server if nothing else
The single channel config of the RAM clearly has to do with the poor performance, imho...
maybe you can make a cheap openwrt router out of it and change the C-state for power savings, tell me your thughts.
Anyone who has brought a es intel chip from Aliexpress? Are they genuine (13700F es q0l9)
I got a complete dell system with an i5 8600 for $100
Please define"e-waste". Are not all coputers are E-waste (per your definition)?
I don't get the point of using mobile processors in this form factor. They aren't magically more efficient: they basically just make tradeoffs or throttle perf to achieve lower TDP numbers. In a thin laptop with crappy cooling, that makes sense, but in a traditional case with decent fans, you aren't actually saving power vs something that peaks higher but runs faster.
It's been done to death, but the comparison here is vs a Dell/HP i5-6500 SFF box. Those are on battle tested hardware with reliable drivers and go for about $100 including a SSD and 16GB of RAM. Something like this would need to be closer to $50-75$ to be compelling, considering it's bare bones. Once you start creeping past $200 all-in, it's logical to ask what you're doing with antiquated hardware when you could build with parts released this decade for just a bit more.
It isn't E-waste yet, but clearly worth less than $50.
Single channel RAM is a hard pass not even considering other issues.
If they had used an i7-6970HQ or i7-6870HQ (for the iris with it's 128mb edram), it would be an much more interesting combo. But so it is meh.
Can confirm that a 6700hq isn't great with high ram speeds. I have an MSI laptop with that CPU and it won't run 2666Mhz and 2400Mhz is barely stable.
My recomemded usecase is a trashbin.
If we would about to get this kind of frankenstein motherboard it should be at least 8gen Intel CPU to have W11 support. Here you are still on an outdated platform.
6th gen systems are basically e-waste for any system you are going to have a user sitting at.
I'd hesitate to buy this board at $25, because I can (and have, multiple times) bought used 7th-8th gen systems WITH RAM for under $100 USD.
Hell, if you want a salvaged laptop CPU in a desktop and don't want an Erying, you can get a QTJ2 (6C12T 9th Gen refresh) for $55 and have $45 to spend on a H/B/z150/170/250/etc and RAM.
Do you think these things phone home to China?
In ITX format it can be interesting, but this one is nothing special. Can get similar used board with CPU very easy.
6th gen? Thats still like 8 years old...
The hyper threading is killed by the single channel memory
hyper threading has nothing to do with single channel memory
4C4T is not OK in the current era.
Going to 4C8T may overcome the 4C4T problem, but both are not fast enough either..
Skylake is dead.
However it would still work ok for general use.
Except.. the iGPU is pathetic.
Yes, the 3500U, 4500U, 5500U etc are better.
Plenty of cheap AM4 motherboards and 2400G would beat this, go at least 3000 if you want to run windows 11, which this btw will not as it's a 6 series and you need at least 11 series. But windows, so your experiences will vary.
Cant wait for those motherboard firmware hackers to get a hold of one and build a better bios for it like other Chinese repurposed motherboards.
Considering you can buy a refurb directly from Dell right now with an i5-8500, 8GB DDR4, 256GB SSD and Windows for $100 with coupon….this is not a stellar deal. Love your content.
Where did you find that exactly?
@@Ray-dx2pf keep checking slickdeals. Every month Dell has another coupon for 50-60% off their refurb desktops and laptops. This month there’s a $100 off $219 desktops, making it $119. For $219 you can get an i5-9500 and 16GB DDR4 RAM. The difference between the two is negligible though, and the 8500 is a better deal for most people.
That single channel ram is yikes 💀