Everglow-Up said that yeji was ok not earth shattering in BRUTALLY OFFENSIVE Kpop Opinions: Hard to Swallow Pills for 1K subs ;but in Brutally Ranking ITZY, EVERGLOW, AESPA, (G)I-DLE stage presence yeji no 3 performer.its not mutual same?? Did u change ur mind?
@@finnnn_one @LovelyKisses @emily commentor is trying to say that in this video, Everglow-up told that Yeji was ok but in czcams.com/video/6KMNd-4HLo4/video.html they ranked Yeji 3rd which doesn't mean the same thing to commentor. So they're asking if Everglow-up changed their mind
@@moody-eclipse3226 HDHHAHA i think we've all said that joke once (esp since many do read x y'n fanfiction) but thats just it its a gag joke omhBDBDBDD
"there's a greater chance of me being president in 3 countries than it is for you to marry your idol" HAHHAA YES I wish more of THOSE fans saw this video omg 😂
I agree but disagree. Theres a lot of popular idols who don't match the beauty standards. At the end of the day what company you come from is all that matters
@@natashabeckfresh2198 it's not about music for sure may not idols match beauty standard but they sell fantasy more than Music.. Cruel example of it is , what happen to tvxq's Changmin just 2 year ago he released his first solo album despite of tvxq debuting 2003 and him being being on hiatus for a while he was able to sold 60k albums which dropped drastically to 14k in during his 2 mi ni album guess reason he announced his marriage before this mind you album was great and he is one of finest artist kpop has ever seen but he is no longer available for those fans fantasy
Disagreed. Ppl like BTS and EXO have members that dont fit the "beauty standard" but has earned so much respect. I think its based on influence as of now tbh
the tea on self producing idols is so true, many people just don't understand how hard composing and writing a song from scratch is??? not to mention infusing the korean lyrics with some english lines throughout and making sure the song make sense as a whole, but also fits the rhyme scheme?? that shit is hard and let's not even get into song translations. self producing groups will always have my utmost respect.
@@ammarmunawwar2617 not the company but the groups, they just happen to sometimes get good results but letting their groups have creative control. also maybe ill become a universe hahaha
@@judithkim4050 Good luck! CUBE sucks TBH, (G)I-DLE were so close being the next big thing. They suck at managing, they didn't handel Soojin's situation well and they kicked her out and destroyed her career 😭! Hope they will continue doing well in the future
i like rbw groups, they dont always write everything but they let their rappers write at least write all of their raps(not intros) but if you like self producing groups i recommend purple kiss, onewe, and (g)-idle.
YES! Not a writer since I'm still a student but I've been writing stories on various platforms and it's really hard. My respect for full time writers has increased so much.
@@AnoushkaRoy same. Since I started writing I respect people for writing it isn't easy sometimes you'll just sit in a place thinking for hours and still might not get anything done and it's frustrating.
Another hard pill to swallow : not every group members are best friends and love each other! I mean there are some groups that are genuine best friends and have a strong bond that is built over time, but not all group like that. It's just a little bit weird to me when a people comments on a reality show about "member A is being left out by the other members" and then a whole bunch of people defend the other members by saying something like "shut up! The other members wouldn't leave him/her out because they love each other. You just commented something like that because you don't know how much they love each other!" Well the reality is you yourself also don't know 'how much they love each other' because the truth is, they can try to murder each other while they're sleeping and still acts like a longlast besties infront of the camera.
I always think of kpop groups like my class at school. A lot of people don't hang out with me but I dgaf. So I don't care if idols don't talk to one member because the idol probably doesn't want to be talked to.
I think they don’t have to be best friends they are coworkers at the end of the day. Like yes some of them are best friends but as long as there isn’t bullying going on it doesn’t matter if the are besties or not
This. I can see twice or stray kids or dreamcatcher being bffs but NCT? those 23 men are coworkers istg. I stan and love them but i genuinely believe that most of them arent that close to each other especially the members from the different units.
RBW artist(Mamamoo, Oneus, Purple kiss, onewe) are know to write, compose, choreograph their music and I sometimes see comments saying everybody could do such thing so it doesnt matter or it doesn't mean anything. The dedication. It takes to do such thing deserves so much respect.
I agree, it's important for us as kpop fans to realize that we'll never actually have any relationship (whether friendship or not) and especially new fans need to except this.
I literally saw a kpop unpopular opinions video that said that songwriters are not doing hard work and that writing songs is so easy... kpop idols who are songwriters and/or composers deserve all the respect they recieve and more :(
@@pinkaengelz it's not a gift. A lot of kpop songs today sound like songs that have come out in the past. It is a *skill* though. And it can be learned with time and effort
@@pinkaengelz songwriting is not a gift: studying music theory, how to play an instrument, how to use a music program and besides it's not a genetic natural born skill, it take years of practice, study and failures before doing something decent and complex. It's a little bit "reductive" to say the least to call it a gift.
@solemn(￣³￣) and what you said was more like" even though what she said was true with proper reasoning let me just pretend I don't understand English just because they are my fav."
@𝒩𝒶𝓃𝒶𝓈𝒽𝒾 okay chill 😭🤌🏻. Bestie I'm an army and yes BTS is famous and did pave the way. But not completely. Imagine, like how would people know BTS when they debuted? Due to other k-pop idols right?😀 They wete probably stans then found out the new groups. But after they became famous randomly people knew them and started stanning. But there are many who doens't stan bts yet. There are many other fandoms they are part of other than army. Many started with 2nd generation groups too.
@@vandexunderwear some people didn’t even know Gangnam style was kpop lol even I didn’t so technically he didn’t exactly help kpop but I think kdrama really helped pave the way then BTS.
"idols don't have to be relatable" I AGREE. For example, when Soobin (omg love him) was talking about how he isn't good at math and doesn't like it on that one live stream, everyone was like "omg so relatable wow an idol bad at a subject in school." Like girl, did you just think that all idols aced every subject? Personally, math is the only subject I was good at in school and English class too. Him being bad at math isn't relatable to me personally because I'm actually really good at it and every time I tell someone that, they say "well not everyone is good at it." I know that but not everyone is bad at it. See how it works? An idol being bad at something doesn't suddenly make them human. They're a human to begin with and shouldn't have to have hardships for you to realize that.
finally someone who is also good at math 👀 for some reason there's this thing about everybody finding math hard and things like language classes easy and it's so frustrating being told I'm weird just because i find math to be really easy and find my language classes to be extremely difficult
@@azpizzazz3442 I would have said must be nice to be good at math cause I can't understand it but wish I could lolz, I don't think it's weird that someone is good at math or other subjects. I'm bad at math and managed to pass with a C+ so I did something right I ig but I was really good at English and other subjects.
I feel like for Twice and Itzy, they can do a LOT better if it wasn't for JYPE putting them in a box of how they should be singing. Twice has a song called ' Make Me Go' in which they all sound so good by singing in their actual range and ITZY will improve as they go on.
I agree Twice's Bsides are underrated I feel their Bsides are soo good but still JYPE is like do this Cute stuff but I am happy that we get to see their Mature side but honestly I love Twice concepts and songs also their Bsides also Twice write their own Bsides
SPILLL!!!!!!! TO BE HONEST I CAN SEE JIHYO IN ACTING WITH JEONGYEON!!! MINA HAS A HIGH END VISUAL THAT CAN GET SOME HIGH END BRANDS !! I don't know maybe I'm not up to date to their project but I feel like twice should be something more
A bit off topic but I feel if only kpop wasn't so centered on visuals, there could have been some genuinely mind blowing talents in the industry. Not every amazing singer can be a visual and this is why some rare gems are still hidden in the population who probably will never get to show their talent ;-;
That's kinda the reality of the industry everywhere. Not only in music either. Being marketable matters more in general in everything. Even more so in music as a lot, really a lot of pop is created to be easy to listen to and sing along to and it doesn't require godly talent. A lot of songs that flex vocals for example arent songs you can listen to a lot. It's kinda shitty but it's the reality of the world rn.
" "a lot of people on youtube said that lisa's dancing is great" YES because they know your fandom is insane and they dont wanna be hated on" Girl 💀 Girl you just absolutely satisfied the hell outta me, thank you
Exactly Saying that Lisa is the best dancer in kpop and forgetting J-hope, Momo,Seulgi,Seungyeon,Jimin, Hyoyeon , Chung Ha, BoA, Taemin , Taeyong, Rain etc dont even exist sounds so dumb. Lisa is a great dancer but not the best one ppl
@@LovelyKissess yeahh kpop is way too dark. But we shouldn't forget to enjoy it. blindly following kpop without knowing it's dark side is worse than enjoying kpop being aware of dark side.
@@maddy4690 The entertainment business itself is way to dark. It goes beating Korea. If there was something we could do about it, most people wouldn't even do it
Those are just people who already done with the reality and want to forget it so they turn to kpop which they think is the bright side of life yet in fact, kpop's also dark and it didn't change their dark reality..
I really agree with the idea that kpop was designed to make people obsessed. I see videos all the time of idols flirting with fans during fansigns. You can not tell me these idols are genuinely interested in their fans, my guess is they do it to make fans feel special so they will continue to try to win fansign tickets. It’s honestly kind of sad how much people buy into the idea of having a chance with their idol.
I've always thought kpop is essentially one big thirst trap. Like you take these conventionally attractive idols who (If their company is lucky) can dance/rap/sing well, and they're instructed to have that idol persona (likable, cute, friendly). They also have to do fanservice too. So it's like these companies strategically design an idol's image to be as desirable as possible so that people become obsessed and spend as much money as possible.
@@heyjojo7919 yes. But after idols come back from military, they don't even care lol. I mean i don't blame them cuz it's company's agenda to do all that lovey dovey shit. They must get tired from all this. I wish they were treated like normal artists just look at american artists.
@@maddy4690 Yeah like, I understand that companies just wanna make a lot of money but a lot of their restrictions are so ridiculous. Like male and female idols can't even glance at each other without a dating scandal popping up and then they have to apologize for stuff like getting married or accidentally liking a picture it's so dehumanizing and weird.
@@heyjojo7919 yaa. Artists should be treated like artists and it's so sad to see they are just treated as some manufactured products and then get discarded completely once the use is done. It's truly disgusting for artists mental health overall as they completely get bashed by company and fans. There's no way out for them :((
As a moomoo and hwasa lover, I 100% agree. Hwasa is a queen overall, but many many many idols have broken stereotypes even more than hwasa in some cases. Idols like amber and moonbyul for example. Hwasa indeed just does her own thing and couldn't care less what people say. She makes her own standard as she said. But there is no idol to pin point or put on top when it comes to breaking stereotypes.
@@faqqieyalias3465 yes hwasa idolize Lee hyori herself, I myself hate that people see her only as someoje who is breaking stereotype and ignore how unique her vocal and Amazing songwriter n composer she is ..
i think hwasa, compared to amber, is on the other spectrum. amber is not afraid to be tomboyish while hwasa does not shy away from being feminine. not only that, not beign the conventional body type for kpop also makes me proud o her.
To be fair, Amber and Moonbyul are always referred to beautiful and were never looked down on for being tomboys. "Girl-crush" is an old concept in kpop that very few female idols have the privilege to achieve. Amber was actually scouted in the middle of the street by SM's staff *because* another famous Korean singer from the 80's/90's had the tomboy look and was really famous for it. This was never a broken stereotype to begin with. Koreans loved it and still do. Unlike them, Hwasa was insulted and shunned by a good number of people for having curvy hips unlike other idols. I'm not saying that there aren't idols who don't fit the standard and broke the stereotypes, because there are. Such as Bobby from iKON for his look and who showed everyone that idols can rap and actually win at a rapping competition, or Jooheon from Monsta X who people actually saw him as scary for his looks and intense rapping and even certain staff within his company actually told him to change back then.
Thank you for bringing up the fact that Chinese celebrities need to publicly support China otherwise their families will disappear. I saw this issue brought up with Liu yifei and the mulan live action and was literally screaming at my screen for twitter flipping out about her statement. We don’t know how Chinese celebrities actually think but not everyone has the freedom to actually express their opinions publicly. Also thank you for bringing up that K-pop is not woke. It is ironic how K-pop appeals to woke crowds despite it being everything woke culture isn’t (racist, homophobic, exploitative, capitalist, the list goes on)
I think Soyeon gives more lines to herself on songs she produces because she has a vision of how a part should be sung not because she wants to hoard attention. Also, Zico is also a producer for a lot of Block B songs and gets WAY more lines than Block B members compared to Soyeon and members of gidle but crickets. No hate towards Zico at all. Double standard at its finest.
@@nosheenbaheen2426 na, not sure about that (in all the songs) if it was 100% the cases, Shuhua wouldnt have only 3 secs on Hwa. And dont use the confident card because in OMG and Lion she had lines
@@kdome9107 check out THE PROPER LINE DISTRYBUTION IN HWAA Shuhua basically sings The ENTIRE chorus and with that she is second in The linę distibution
Same some ppl were arguing about who owned which era from idle and someone said “but Shuhua didn’t have the most lines so how could she own it?” And then I said “Well she doesn’t need to have the most lines to own the era, if it was about lines then Soyeon would have owned practically every era” and then this dude goes “yeah you’re right I hate Soyeon she’s so selfish” I’m like W h a t
If soyeon was selfish, she would've ditched G-IDLE in a heartbeat and become a soloist considering she's already so fucking well-rounded. She can sing, she can write her own music, she can dance, she can compose her own songs. If I was in her place, I would've done that if somebody had the fucking audacity to call me selfish despite me doing all the fucking work.
@@elonpapasavelooner4822 PERIOD. She’s a hit-making machine with survival show experience, recognition and talent to back it up. She could far well enough on her own but allowed her vision to be applied to a group setting.
Seventeen seriously deserves more recognition for being a self-producing group. Especially Woozi. They are literally SO SO involved in everything they put out
Marketing (+visuals) > talent Facts. The power play and monopoly in the society as a whole naturally assimilates into the kpop industry. Thus, debuting in the big 3 is considered a safe path in the industry. Why? They ace the marketing game. No matter how talented the artist is, if not marketed in an appropriate manner, not a lot a people will care.
The western music industry works like this too. You don't need to be exactly talented, just a catchy music and then your suscefull. Ofc, you have to know how to do your thing, just like in every normal job, even if it's mediocre
About the first one, in Korea it's really common for people to use clothes and stuff with things like rainbows, or the color pattern of the Bi flag, and it's just because they think it looks pretty, not because they support it. To the point that the lgbtq+ community of the country don't usually use the pride and the bi flag as symbols, because a lot of people already uses it without any special meaning
korean who lives *in Korea* here. it bothers me sometimes when i-netz always assume that korea is *so* conservative and very racist, homophobic, etc. that portion of our population isn't as much as many i-netz blame us to be. this stereotype is harmful because it leads people to believe things such as there are no gay idols because they 'dont know what gay means' or 'gay people arent in korea' ...sorry to break it to you but there are many gay people in korea. there are some people in our country that give it a bad reputation, but when you start listening to the loud minority you ignore the quieter majority of people who aren't as extreme as you think. as if America is perfect too......
Yes, I whole heartedly agree with you, I think American media tends to sell a hyper sexualized and scandal filled image because that is what sells. Just because the Korean media image being portrayed is more socially innocent and conservative, by comparison to the US mind you, doesn't mean that they are accurate depictions of either nation. No country's population is going to live up to their portrayal in their own media. Unless you go to Korea and stay for a significant amount of time, then stop making these type of accusations of an entire country..
1. I don't think she means that a liberal country is better than a conservative country. 2. Objectively speaking US is way more socially liberated than Korea. 3. I don't think anyone would think that gay people aren't in Korea or that they don't know what gay means.
Thank you. Agree 10000%. It also goes the other way around. Just because you are part of the biggest fandom, does not mean you have to dictate the entire conversation about talents in K-pop groups.
JUST BECAUSE YOUR FAVES HAVE POPULARITY DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY ARE TALENTED ENOUGH TO GET THOSE AWARDS🤣🤣🤣TEACH THEM HOW TO SING WITHOUT AUTOTONE CAUSE THEIR VOICE IS LIKE NOISE🤣🤣🤣
This!!! Omg so much people think they are higher than other kpop stans cuz they stan small groups like noone gives a shit if u know small groups we all know dam well u stan them to feel special🙄 or or to be "different🙂"
Just because u don’t Stan Bts DOESNT MEAN U SHOULD SHIT ON THEM EVERYWHERE U GO every Koop group chat I join has a phase of just shitting on bts and the army’s in there feel pressured to agree
big 3 are called big 3 because they shaped kpop into what it is today. bighit never was and never will be a part of it, neither will any other company.. bighit just excelled at them in their own game. why be a part of big 3 when you can be bigger lmao.
@@mingiiyaa5673 because the name "big 3" comes from these 3 companies forming the whole concept of kpop and not because they are the richest or the most popular . the concept of idol groups and the whole procedure behind making those groups were started by these 3. you can watch DKDKTV's history of kpop video if you want more details. Bighit is the biggest company , even bigger than the big 3 in terms of popularity and financially and in that sense you could call these 4 companies the biggest . bighit will be "big 4" when it makes a prominent change to the current kpop and not in the sense of musicality or creativity but to the way this industry works. hope you understand now
@@JordanWilliams-ix2td did I say any different? Big 3 are called big 3 coz they shaped kpop ,yes, but that doesn't mean they'll always be the best. Bighit has become bigger than all the companies thanks to BTS and has made history not just in k-pop but the music industry as well.
U guys say that big3 is big3 cause they are wht made kpop wht it is today. Sure they will always be ..... no one gonna change the original big3 BUT bighit also has played a freaking huge part to bring where kpop is today. Big 3 made kpop firm in probably Korea China Japan indo Philippines etc.....but I'd say where kpop stand today globally and specifically the US which is most important and biggest music market is cause of BIGHIT and Big3 is following for the same path due to BTS and BH. So in short.....big3 will be big3 but BH inputs should also be acknowledged and not dissed due to big3
One thing that frustrates me, is when people have the impression that if they say a song is not good from their faves, they are being called fake fans. I heard way too many people saying that for example "libidO" and "Mafia in the morning" from OnlyOneOf and Itzy are "the best songs" just so that they are not called out as fake fans. It's nothing wrong in having your own opinion. Grow up people.
This! Tbh i liked those two songs but i understand why some people wouldnt like it. As someone who hs weird music tastes who's spotify goes from hard rock to cutesy pop then a ballad, I have very open mind when it comes to song and like almost everything I hear but what annoys me is how a person not liking a song is seen as fake and a person liking a song is seen as delusional or "you just like it coz you like the group" nah coz you can literally play Piri and i would pretend not to stan dreamcatcher
I agree… for some people those songs are not good snd some it’s good. Not everyone have to say all their artist they like have good music. To prove they are a fan. There is some songs I don’t like but that don’t make any less of a fan
omg r u a lyon??? that's so nice!!! Thank u for bringing up OnlyOneOf. One important thing with libido and now skinz is that they're not really their best songs, it's more about the marketing and the role they play it their lore. Like, there was a recent interview in which Junji said and some other members agreed that OnlyOneOf you was their vest music so far and that they have never made anything as good as that song. SO yeah I totally agree with u. Honestly, I prefer libido over skinz, but their besides r so AMAZING, it's crazy how they mostly produce themselves and even the choreography.
i have so much respect for stray kids, bts, soyeon and all the groups who are involved in the production of their music. they work so hard and for people to downgrade their hard work is just disgusting
As much as i love lisa its true she’s really overhyped cuz blinks attacks evey body if they say lisa isn’t the best in my person opinion there can’t ever be "The Best” in this running industry there will always be somebody better then your fav idol and thats not just in kpop its also in life in general but i think Chungha is one of the best dancer currently her fluidity and movement makes her so pleasing to watch when she dances
I agree even as a blink. Is she an amazing dancer? Yes. Is she better than average dancers? (Arguably) yes. Is she overhyped? Yes. She hasn't even had much of a chance to show her good dance skills since even in Lilifilms her songs are more about slow choreography that fits the generally slower rnb (I think thats the right genre for the 3rd one at least) song and she's skilled enough to make it look good but it's not difficult for most dancers to perform. I think she's overhyped just because she didn't have time to shine as a dancer in general since her choreo is pretty easy and even in the harder ones like Swalla isn't like "oh my god! So difficult". I 100% agree with you
It's not only bout blinks , it happens with every Stan's , don't blame BLINKS only , Lisa deserves the hype, just because she's getting more hype than other's doesn't mean she's overhyped
@@bro-nu1bd I know. I'm not saying she can't get hype, I just want her to be able to show how much well she dances before people say she's the best and fight people over it. It's like asking a professional chef to make a Peanut Butter and Jelly Sandwich and basing their skills on that. That doesn't make them a bad chef, and it doesn't determine that they are the best chef. Using that chef's skill to determine their cooking ability makes sense if you get what I mean? The choreographies don't determine her abilities since they are pretty easy and I hope she can showcase her talent well with harder dances! Thanks for not yelling or fighting with me :3 -fellow blink
I mean but I seriously think she is one of the best dancers in the industry rn tho, a lot of unbiased professional dancers on CZcams also ranked Lisa number 1, even if she isn't the best she at least is also one of the best
@@kdome9107 Same. agree 100%. I really don’t understand why her dancing is so hyped, I mean I like Lisa! she’s awesome, but i just don’t think her dancing is that special.
As a choreographer, her moves r stiff, even rose is much better than her. She doest have her signature, and she wasnt expert at least one of those type of dance.
I love Kpop. But I'll never willingly refer to myself as a _"stan."_ The word's origin is undeniably negative, and some _(quite a lot)_ of these fandoms are downright insufferable and gatekeep like they're getting paid to do so. I can support the artists and groups that I like, and enjoy the music without obsessing to a mentally unstable point and acting as if all the idols I like personally owe me the world or some shit, and having a breakdown when finding out they date. I've never encountered a more disgusting, resentful, delusional, malicious, and simultaneously childish fandom than that of Kpop. So many aspects of it are bizarre to me, I'll never be down with labeling myself as a _"stan."_
@@brennathecatlover4360 I know what Stan mean. But the only reason it's a term is because of Eminem's song and that's not a good thing. And honestly, looking at kpop stans, they're not too far off from the guy in the song, so it's fitting
And a overly pessimistic one,everyone is biased,there is no way someone cant be biased,your life will make you be a certain way,and i think the girl in the video is a pessimistic person,so she will see things in a pessimistic kinda way,and i,a more optimistic person will see things in a more positive way,no holds the truth of the world,and the girl literally calls everything she doesn't agree with being dumb,thats not unbiased
@@sinchanakeshav4765 it okay what you felt,i just expressed what i think,i think no one in the world can be unbiased,you must always take other people statements with a grain of salt,because people can change the narative a little bit unconsciously,even i do that a lot sometimes and dont realize,im doing that right now lol
@Disappointment and i think thats bullshit,most people who i know who call themselfs realistic are pessimistic people who just think they are right,like i said,everyone is biased,if you claim that you just know the reality,cool,but i think that is bullshit,for me,you just someone who is not open to the option that maybe you dont fucking know the truth
@@cryfly1 i agree. It is impossible to be non-biased and the people who claim that are non-biased are just simply lying to themselves and to others. Also i disagree with some of her statements cause we really don't know what happens deep inside the kpop, this is only the top of the iceberg and claiming that everything is bad and having such a strict opinion on kpop is as stupid as saying that kpop is vanilla flavoured marshmallow.
Omg you're literally the first one to say artists who write and produce their own songs deserve more respect....i could not believe what i was hearing from all these other unpopular kpop videos...almost like they wanted to make themselves feel better by saying something so idiotic. I feel like thats a big reason why BTS were even able to be so successful.
Abt artists writing and producing- FOR SUREE. Also when they do get recognize tho, fans love to make it seem like they did everything so that’s another problem abt this general topic of the writing and production process of our idol’s songs. It makes me sad that the other producers and writers are completely discredited because of the fans who look over them or choose not to do more research and tell everyone it was produced and written ALL by that idol. Yes there’s cases the idol does indeed do it all, but most of the time they have a whole team.
@@pinkturtle2016 oh yess! I think someone need to make a video on how this so-called unpopular opinions are just straight up hate and when people starts to question they're portrayed as toxic fans by their subscribers and them.
I agree, txt had it hard since they came from the same company so they were being held to high standards. Other kpop groups success is often compared to bts and its rlly not fair tbh because not everyone has the same level as success.
@@pinkturtle2016 it is gonna happen. till this day artist are compared to success of MJ,Britney,Beyonce but that does not mean others are not successful
Yep, because kpop is such a novelty that BTS will hit big with whatever they do but other groups can't because BTS is being seen as Kpop when they're honestly just pop now
In the west, BTS paved the way for Korean acts the way the Beatles did for English acts in the U.S. and Canada. There were many British acts that came after the Beatles that did not surpass them regarding charting or awards but were still considered very successful (such as the Rolling Stones, the Who, a bunch of others) and produced music in very different ways. A lot of people are now paying more attention to Korean art of all kinds because of the impressive art produced by BTS. If it were not for BTS, I would not have known about Aespa, Zico or IU, that I am now a big fan of. I think BTS likely did pave a road for others to walk on but I guess only time will be able to tell us.
True at least bts paved the way to see more good artists in Korean . I never cared about korean language becz i didn't understand but for bts in my country more people are have interest in korea and even media also interested in Korea because bts are really famous. . for bts American awards show are putting kpop categories becz they want to remove bts from compating with their artists before bts they didn't even acknowledge kpop. True that everyone can success they are own but kpop get some chance to have a us success
This^^ facts they didn't make it easier for other kpop groups to reach their level of success but they did open a path for Korean acts to be more popular and internationally recognized... I agree with you and what the girl says in the video combining these two points forms a major fact that's it..
Did y'all forget that psy, girls generation, shinee, exo existed? The west had always been interested in Kpop ever since the Hallyu wave, and these people were the forefront of that.
But you are forgetting that there wouldn't be delusional fans if companies didn't force idols for fan service (+ they have amazing visuals too). Every action has an equal and opposite reaction too sis🖐️😫
@@maddy4690 That's not the company fault though. Fans need to learn to control themselves. You can lust and crush, but you don't need to become delusional because someone is cute or because they're telling fans they love them. As fans we should know and understand that it's solely for entertainment purposes and know our boundaries. PLUS, companies wouldn't force it if fans didn't want it
As a Blink and a dancer myself, for me (and what i've always listen in my entire dancer carrer), the base of a dancer is to know how to improvise, because if something happens you have to continue to dance and don't let anyone notice that that wasn't supposed to happen, and lisa doesn't know how to do that. She is an amazing performer, YES SHE IS, but as a full well-rounder dancer, sis ain't it and you can see everytime people ask her to do a improve she doesn't know what do to. So yeah, she is a perfect idol dancer but no a perfect dancer overall
Yess. Lisa is an amazing dancer and she has great, almost S-tier technique, however, there’s videos of her where she’s asked to freestyle by some hosts of a variety show and she didn’t do good at all. 🥲 None of the members of Blackpink did. I’ve only ever seen idols like J-hope. Seulgi and Momo do good freestyles tbh
@@minnah.k Girl i'm such a blackpink fan, so when i saw the documentary last year I actually saw that blackpink did the "freestyle" that she did on the variety show as a coreography for a montly evaluattion, so she didn't even freestyle at all. So yes, she know how to dance, but its not full well-rounded dancer how many blinks make it seem (which is totally fine, she doesn't need to be perfect)
@@harrie8747 Yes, I’m a huge BlackPink fan as well, but it’s really cringey to see Lisa stans forcing the idea to other people that Lisa is absolutely perfect + the best dancer in the entire industry. But given that it’s mostly teenage girls who are pushing this opinion onto others, I shouldn’t be too surprised that this is happening 😅 plus, I’ve seen many other main dancer idols (and even just those dancers who post their choreographies CZcams) dance the just like Lisa does in her LiLifilm series. Also, I’m not trying to deny that Lisa has talent, bc she does. She’s obviously gifted from birth and is better than regular idol dancers. All i’m tryna say is that other people are also gifted like her and can do the same thing, if not MORE, so her stans should stop acting like she’s an absolute rarity.
I also need people to discuss more about reaction channels that are seriously fishing for views and revenue. A lot of fans think that their fave's legitimacy is more valid when you hear random people who captions (American reacts to, or black react to, or white people react to, Europeans react to, Friends react to, non-kpop fans react to) its annoying. I mean honestly, they'd make comments, faces that are too dramatic to appeal to the viewers coz they'd make revenue out of kpop fans. It's too much.
yesss that’s why I like watching “dancer/vocal coach/classical musicians/etc react to x” they always add something substantial and informing👏🏼 a lot of them literally react for views
Busra Akinci yes, although I also don’t like when it’s something like “dancer reacts” but it’s a ballad song with no choreo, then it also feels like view fishing
I'm completely with you on Soyeon. She knows she's one of the main draws to (G)I-DLE, so it's stupid if she sidelines herself. It would hurt marketing the group as a whole. Also, she didn't fight in the trenches of CUBE and various variety shows just to allow others to benefit from her work. I'm a Neverland, and I know that Miyeon and Minnie are really popular vocally. But I'm sorry, if she just wrote for them, not only would it hurt herself, but it'd hurt the others too. And I'm also sorry, but no one in that group is as versatile as Soyeon, and Yuqi is my bias. The girl is one of the best dancers in the group, she can sing with the best of them, her stage presence is on another level, and oh yeah, she's the best rapper of this generation, while she writes/produces everything. Everyone in (G)I-DLE is talented. I love them, but come on. If Soyeon wanted to go solo, she could have done it long before now. She sticks around because I believe (G)I-DLE is one of those groups that...you know... actually likes each other.
Yess she is 100% an all rounder. She’s good at singing, rapping, dancing, and has immaculate stage presence. I respect that she’s so willing to be a part of a group and not want to keep the spotlight only on herself by going solo
Some of your words are just trying to pull down some of the members hideously. Soyeon debuted as a soloist even before gidle but you see there is a reason why soyeon is not as successful alone as compared to her group. You should know by now if you claim yourself as neverland, that gidle success has A LOT TO DO WITH THE COLOR OF THE GROUP. soyeon is genius, she is capable of creating songs that fix her members. What makes her song great is the members themselves, bcs she is inspired by them like she always said. You saying things as if soyeon doesn't need the other members is one incredible dumbest thing i read about soyeon. Just like u want so much respect for soyeon, u should give the same amount of respect to other members too. Minnie is popular vocally for reason, and SOYEON RECOGNIZED THAT REASON SO SHE KEPT HER CLOSE SO CUBE DEBUT HER WITH THAT GIRL. Obviously she knew long before that Minnie is going to ace the team vocally, and that deserves respect. Thats one argument. Yuqi, Miyeon, Soojin even Shuhua contribute to the team so stop saying words as if the rest of the group is just some extras for soyeon.
That's a dumb way to look at it... Your basically saying she's the only one in the group that deserves the attention... That's not ever how a group should be. If she doesn't like sharing the spotlight than she shouldn't be apart of the group. period. She's not going to be 'hurt' by giving herself less lines... And it shouldn't matter within a kpop group, because guess what the GROUP should come first and be balanced.
okay so i could be wrong (correct me if i am) but i think stays and not stays both really need to calm down about the woojin situation? like Idols leaving groups is nothing that didn’t happen before... there was a lot of drama with woojin bc of the accusations and stuff but i thought he’s officially proved to be innocent? so why can’t we just put this topic down. like not pretend it didn’t happen but just move on? i don’t get why people are getting so sensitive when OT9 is mentioned somewhere... like yes it’s OT8 now but don’t pretend OT9 didn’t happen🤷♀️ don’t wanna be offensive, just needed to say this🖐🏻
Stays,the ones that still hate Woojin, are the reason we can't just leave that false rumor in the past. They still comment on his post, his videos, under others comments calling him and them names. People still get death threats for just following him. I do agree with you, but it's a little hard to do with people like that still around
Lisa's dancing is good just not as good as people say it is. You don't have to be the best to be a good dancer. Lisa has a stiff torso and he needs to work on her wrists too. Yes, there are better dancers than lisa but that doesn't make lisa a bad dancer.
@@bangchanniehasmeweakforhis4528 we heard it even their performance. You can tell that they focused on their performance and choreography and not on music
Why are people so obsessed with BH being part of the big3? Who are we to decide whether or not BH will be part of the big3 when we don't know about the Korean market? It's up to the Koreans to decide whether BH deserves a spot in the big3. I've seen public interviews and people some Koreans call them the big4.
@@Lifewithkoat No it isn't. Bh is big amd have influence but big3 have been in the industry for a longer time and have political power. The power itself is bigger than money this is the reason there's still a long way before bh becomes that powerful in the industry.
As someone who has been in love with kpop since first gen, I agree with most of these opinions, but there are two things that I think are important to point out are: 1) In regards to Hwasa breaking stereotypes, she is breaking expectations Koreans have for OTHER KOREANS. Sure they might watch nekkid Americans/westerners all the time, but that is considered okay because they're of a different culture. Korean culture is still predominantly conservative and has a very strong group mentality that creates a lot of social pressure to conform to certain characteristics and stereotypes, and it's taken people like Hwasa (and all the other "rulebreakers" who came before her, including Lee hyori, CL, etc) to slowly open the public mindset about how women, especially, should act and dress. Despite this, showing showing cleavage still means you're a slut in Korea, whereas showing your entire leg is totally fine lol. 2) In regards to BTS, sure they might not have made "success" more accessible for others, but I think they have unarguably changed the mindset that Asian's are not marketable, or desirable in the Western entertainment sphere. As you said, marketing, moreso than talent, is king in entertainment, and there is a very distinct reason why, to this day, the only successful Asian figures in the Western entertainment business are mainly comedic or martial arts actors despite there being a plethora of talented Asian actors and singers. Male kpop groups as a whole generally challenge the Western ideal of what it is to be manly, and the wild success of BTS has shown that the negative stereotypes typically assigned to Asian men, including femininity, can be incredibly desireable. Given this, and the fact that so many previous kpop groups and soloists have failed to do this previously, I do think they've paved a way for more Asians to enter the entertainment space and actually be accepted, if not welcomed. Love your videos and am really glad to have discovered them!
Every group has helped paved the way. Like with Hwasa she's paving the way for other female artists. I agree that they made have changed the mindset of western entertainment industry about asians. However, when people say 'bts paved the way' i still want to slap them... Because every group paves a way, or 'helps' pave a way. BTS wouldn't be bts if it was for groups like bigbang and girls generation. So it sucks that people aren't giving more credit to other groups just because all they know is BTS and their success.
@@TheNightxSky Yeah I definitely agree but that's a never-ending rabbit hole since you could argue that whoever created music eons ago paved the way. Certain groups definitely leave a bigger mark and you have to give credit where it is due. Even when BigBang and GG hit it HUGE a couple kpop generations back (not to mention all the big names that came before them like seotaji, JYP, HOT, GOD, SES, etc), they were all anyone talked about and articles about they were "paving the way" were all over the place. Whoever is the most popular group at a certain point in time obtains that status because they're doing something different/paving the way in a particularly noticeable way. BTS is simply at the pinnacle of that for this current wave of kpop since it's been near impossible to have sustained Western success as an Asian musician (even as an Asian American). It's absolutely guaranteed that in another 10-20 years, some other group will be "paving the way."
@@SueYisoSueet Oh I agree, it is a never-ending rabbit hole. I just don't like when people (specifically non-kpop fans and armys) act like BTS is the only one that has ever done anything for the genre. Then Armys tend to use it was a way to belittle other groups and other fandoms by being like 'but bts paved the way' and I hate it. I'm not denying that BTS hasn't made huge waves, and that's great. I'm just tired of people using it to overhype them and then to belittle other artists and more importantly other people's opinions (if they don't like a song or the group in general).
*“I realized they were human too.”* Do you know how awful that sounds? You don’t see them as human until they’ve shown that they have suffered through something? That’s just disgusting that people actually disregard other people’s humanity simply because of the difference of occupation and image.
I'm definitely not defending the OP but I do think most people do disregard that other people are human too Like don't lie most people just ignore the homeless people that is begging for money in the street and most people forget that they are human too that is in need of help and compassion but since we are selfish beings we just tend to ignore them most of the time
@@lunamiku4166 Yeppp! In the end of the day we will always pick our own comfort and happiness in the expense of someone else that’s part of human nature
I love how she isn't afraid to voice her opinion even if she would be cancelled for it. Also this is an hour long... time to get some popcorn ig. My responce to you opinions: 1. I couldn't agree more some idols don't even care about being "woke" as long as you belive they're "woke" 2. Exactly! Take a group like E'last for example, they are so talented and their choreos are magnificent but the marketing isn't really there so they aren't even close to being popular. 3. You kinda said what i thought about so I don't have anything to say. 4.True idols could be doing some really nasty stuff (as well as companys) but we would never know. 5.When people say "cahrting doesn't matter" I just want to slap them in the face bc if you want your favs to not disband charting does matter. 6 & 7 I completely agree and have othing to say on it. 8.Even tho BH has BTS who are supper popular an TXT who are semi-popular it's nothing compared to what the actual big3 has done in th past few decades. 9. Don't have anything to say you are completely correct. 10. How can your favs go to militay and you not expect them to change? It's not like they're robots with set personalities. 11-19. Again I completely agree and have nothing to say. 20. I agree they paved the way for kpop in general to be more popular but each and every group has to pave their own way. i also don't think anybody any time soon is going t be able to pass BTS's success or even get close to it. 21. I kinda agree even though ITZY are one of my ult ggs i feel like if their concept wasn't selfconfidence/self love they wouldn't be as popular. Most of their bsides are kinda like "fillers"? and if they weren't from big3 you're right they wouldn't be as popular. And the stage presence is mediocer. 22. This isn't related but I think their survival show should've ben called 18 bc 18 divided by 2 is 9 so 9 + 9 (twice) it would more sense idk. 23. I don't have anything to say bc I don't know much about the bs scandal. 24 & 25 I agree 26. I'm not really into Somi that much but stream wywf ig. 27. I agree. She legit makes/helps make those songs so it's her choice what happenes with the lines and people need to stop whining about it. 28-30 Again I agree and have nothing to say. Edit: I made so many typos wtf- my English is getting so bad
Yesssssd an elring up in here. I think they do have the whole package but I do think their marketing seems so do the bare minimum ( Doing covers and vlogs) but I think if they want to grow they really need to step out with marketing.
Itzy are one of my favorite girlgroups and yes I sometimes get off with their performances because of some of the mediocre dance breaks and gymnastics stunts they have in their choreography like they didn't really had to put all of that
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I ve become ur subscriber bcuz u was touching real topics and talked not with just opinion but with facts ! And with just this video I don't believe in ur opinion anymore bcuz reality talk for itself and those who don't see it just a blinde or want to be misinformed! Idk about other topics u talked about cuz I am not in to much groups but about bts u wasn't the only channel who touched this them , some wasn't agreed ofc cuz of "its my opinion " thing but real facts can speak by itself! I won't argue or try to proof anything if u realy belive that they did not pave the way then all those celebrities and even kpop society are just stupid ppl who belive so ! Its ur opinion but most of ppl who agreed with it just biased with their favs who found the place in this video to for once more cry about it !the only thing I agreedis they are overshadow others but its not their fault as u admit it aswell ! Ty and no need to try to change my opinion I am grown enough to see the truth everywhere !
Idk I mean when BTS announced their chapter 2 the stock prices of Hybe but ALSO SM, YG, and JYP all fell substantially. That’s kind of a lot of influence. Money’s not everything but it does matter.
I agree with most of these opinions, except for maybe the military one. Serving in the US military/being a full time soldier is very different from serving in the military of a country where it's compulsory. Also, the government makes sure Idols are treated very well in the Korean military, so they don't go through what a regular soldier would.
I wouldn't agree as some popular idols go into harder sectors and become very high in the military which can break someone as you have more and more stress in a sense. Like serving your military services (2 years) vs become a career soldier
Bad things happen in all militaries all over the world. Idols are just more likely to keep quiet. Taemin recently said he was being s*xually harassed and had to be transferred to a different sector
I'm 16 and I got into kpop when i was 13. Till this day I've never understood how people could think that X idol is going to be their girl/boyriend and that they're going to get married. How are you dating someone you've never talked to whether in person or online? The delusions is really fierce and people need to stop bringing age into the equation. Being young isn't an excuse
About BTS paving the way, you mentioned how “it’s making it harder for other groups to be considered successful” while at the same time admitting that they made K-Pop more popular. Isn’t that also paving the way by your definition and the overall definition? They made it easier for other K-pop groups to be *known* worldwide. Of course it’s harder for them to be considered successful now because of the “BTS standard” (whatever that means, and I say this as an ARMY), but like you mentioned, there’s no denying BTS made K-Pop more popular internationally. I definitely think groups pave their own success, and I hate when ARMY diminishes the efforts of another group and says it’s all because of BTS. In some ways, they did pave the way, in others, they didn’t.
Yeah, South Korea is definitely not a woke nation. Like, there’s little to no diversity in that country, so how the hell are k-pop idols gonna be ‘woke’ if they’ve never even been exposed to/been around anyone other than koreans? (minus the foreign members in their group, but still… that barely counts😓). I don’t think koreans (or any other country with little diversity) ever bother to learn about different races and cultures bc they simply don’t feel the need to. (since once again, they’re mostly only gonna be around koreans their entire life)
Of course BTS has made it harder for everyone to be the next big thing, because they have reached the top and now everyone's success is measured RELATIVE to theirs. What you're talking about is not paving the way but setting the standard, or setting the bar for success. Just because the environment to succeed has become harsher, more competitive, and more challenging, that doesn't mean people didn't benefit from them in sheer numbers. Look at all the big names of the hallyu way. The massive success of Korean historical dramas, mainly Dae Jang-Geum, made people interested in Korean history and traditions. The massive success of a Korean meme song, Gangnam Style put Kpop on the radar of international listeners (yes we had international Kpop fans before, but most of them were Japan's fans who got to know Kpop through the likes of BoA and Kpop groups like TVXQ and SNSD promoting in Japan). And then there's BTS (and other big names too, I'm not saying it's all their work only), and I don't think I have to explain their impact on Korea's entertainment industry, Korea's tourism, Korea's GDP, people talking about Korea outside of Samsung, LG and Hyundai related topics... Not just that, but if I had a dollar for each person I've heard say "Yeah I started out as an Army but then I discovered / moved on to other groups" I'd have a fortune. The truth is, thanks to big names of the hallyu wave, the AMOUNT of people interested in South Korea blew up, and more people means more customers, more views, more $$$. I understand that you might also need to invest more to stay in competition in this new environment. But investing 70$ to earn 100$ and have 30$ profit is still less then investing 900$ to earn 1000$ and having a 100$ profit. You get what I mean? As for the entrepreneur example, to make this analogy parallel with what I've been trying to tell you: People getting jobs due to a talented entrepreneur, coming out of poverty and becoming potentially relatively successful entrepreneurs, is the same as benefitting from BTS in terms of numbers, so in that sense they paved the way, but that entrepreneur SET THE BAR high for someone to have the same or even bigger impact on the community as he had, or in your words, the same success. In the end, you could say we're just arguing over words and what they mean, and in that sense, I have to say, the whole arguement around whether BTS paved or not is stupid, because all this does is make people take sides and completely discredit the other.
@@sunnyysideeupp Not me but I definitely agree with the last line. Like c'mon, kpop isn't that deep at all. What we should be focused on more is enjoying the music and respect other people's tastes.
So true. There's been maybe 2 times I've seen a reaction where they said they weren't feeling the song or expressed disappointment for one. And it's usually smaller groups with more chill fandoms. Other than that, they pretend they like EVERY SONG IN EXISTENCE
@@LovelyKissess Yeah, that's why I like one reactor who is always honest. He reacts to k-pop in general and is not afraid of any fans (but he is not that big though). Most of the time I disagree with his opinion (we have different tastes) but I really respect him for being honest. (Not gonna recommend him though because he doesn't make his videos in English). My point is that yeah, unfortunately such people are very rare, most reactors are fake af.
I really love your last opinion, because in a way you are right. I mean, right now Chinese government is starting to relax regulations around kpop distribution in the country because of the popularity of this genre in the country. Yes, they have their own music industry, but young people in mainland china like Kpop and wish it was in the country. So yeah, kpop becoming a phenomenon is also helping between the relations of SK and China, so you are right in that sometimes to change things between countries war is not really necessary, sometimes countries can be more subtle.
lmao the first thing you said is so true , alot of Korean women talk about how alot of Korean men are misogynistic and toxic , your fav's might be a misogynist 😳
@@brennathecatlover4360 no-one's saying that jesus christ. it is more common for men to be sexist than women since we live in a patriarchy. there are systems in place to discredit and discriminate women. sk is undoubtedly very conservative in law and in society. there is a possibility (based off the UN stats that sk has one of, if not, the highest gender pay gap of OECDs & evidence of male idols outright bodyshaming and invading female idols' privacy) that sum of these male idols are sexist or misogynistic idc
I agree with the twice having filler memebers. alot of kpop companies were obsessed with emulating snsd success and thought the best way to do it is to have a 9 member group. so with jyp, he just debuted any girl group if they fit the 9 member cap regardless if they have skills or not.
I think it's not really about "filler members " though, I believe every Twice member has an important role. You get 3 skilled vocalists, a great dancer, a good rapper, dahyun is perfect for TV shows... The Japanese girls played a big role in Twice massive success in Japan, Tzuyu isn't only a stunning visual but also attracts the Chinese audience... An idol group isn't only about singing /rapping /dancing ability, it's about charisma /stage presence /marketing ability...
@@cyrielle_ you are right. They are more of a performers than artists. Like their visuals marketing and everything. Sometimes kpop genre feels manufactured than art. I am just more comfortable with grps like gidle, purple kiss, dreamcatcher, everglow
Twice is amazing and my ult next to dreamcatcher but i do agree that twice's earlier days seem like a group of performers and money makers basically and not artists. Compared to idle for example (using them coz i stan them) who since debut wrote their songs and produced, twice seemed more like jyp writing songs and hving cute girls perform them to attract an audience. But then recent twice seem more like themselves, j love how theyre starting to help write and compose their songs and are now growing and becoming artists more than cute girls who perform songs made by an older man.
@@cyrielle_ agree. if you only look at TWICE at the surface, you'd think of them as filled with filler members. But, deep diving into them, they do have specific roles especially during promotions (which is extremely important). Majority of ONCEs came in because of Dahyun from variety shows and Tzuyu's virality. The Japanese members are all good dancers, Sana is an underrated vocalist. The rest of them are talented lyricist.
Please, many didn’t even know where Korea was until BTS. K-pop may have been great in HALF of the world and trust me kpop was niche at best in the states. Now K-pop is known round the world. Thank you BTS. Seo Taiji who? Seriously. Now we know his contribution. Exo who? The ones BTS spanked. Epic high? The ones RM listened to. Big bang? Jail birds, You get the picture. Those…are hard pills, but they exist. Facts don’t care about feelings. So create a road that goes in circles. Big deal. To straighten and pave the road…now that’s something. Thank you BTS. Just take a deep breath…and exhale as you say..Thank you BTS. You will feel better. Oh….and THE fandom..never called the blue house, never called for mama cancellation, THAT fandom once quiet and wanted NOTHING more but to enjoy their faves…got tired. REAL tired, and simply held up a mirror and gave it back. Abusers don’t like ppl standing up to them. And K-pop doesn’t. K Stan’s created THAT fandoms response. Own it. BigHit is spanking the three…look at the stock market, for bzness that have been around for “decades” they are doing a shitty Job. I’m not an army brat, I’m a 12 yr Vet. Not everyone changes. Shut up and sit down. Your so plastic.
@@Mal.victoryoh yes you just proved yourself you're stupid lol your girlies literally debuted in YG ent and even YG himself said that BTS PAVED THE WAY and your faves literally debuted with a silver spoon stfu thanks yg for that and D4 right?D4 came in 2018. Meanwhile bts before 2018 :- BTS announced to be attending the BBMA’s, the first ever for a K-pop boy band to do so!The group wins the top social artist awards at the 2017 BBMAs!! They are the first ever Korean group to receive an honour at Billboard! It was also the first time a K-pop group attended a stateside award show - BTS make K-pop history by being the first Korean act to break into the top 10 of the Billboard 200, spurring fans on to get it higher. - as in 2017 the seven-member act peaked at 7JJ Ryan discussed on Twitter ‘Billboard Chart Beat Podcast’ being the only radio station in the U.S. to play BTS’s star track; DNA. BTS’ songs gained radio play increasingly in the country this year due the the efforts of all ARMYs - DNA peaked at No.67 on the Hot 100! - The previous week when the song debuted, it reached 85UNICEF and BTS launches ‘Love Myself’ fundraising campaign, which has already raised a significant amount of money - BTS confirmed their AMA’s performance, their first American award show performance! BTS make their U.S. daytime television debut on The Ellen Show (only 2 days after making their debut U.S. TV performanceMic drop Remix debuted at No.28 on the ‘Hot 100’Crystal Snow became the first song by a non-Japanese artist to reach over 300,000 points on Japan’s ‘Oricon Weekly’ single chartBTS got to No. 10 of the Billboard Year-End Artist of the Year chartBTS’ - Wings recognized as the top-selling Korean physical album of the fourth quarter of 2016 at Gaon Chart K-pop Awards. - Their single "DNA" has been dominating multiple charts and the music video became the fastest K-Pop group music video to reach 100-million views - Guinness World Records announced on social media that BTS had broken the record for receiving the most Twitter engagements.The "MIC Drop" Remix's music video was released at the same time as the track, and it broke the CZcams record for being the most liked music video in 24 hours. - Melon Music Awards, BTS won Best Song of the Year, Best Music Video Award, and the Global Artist Award. The Global Artist Award was brought back especially for BTS as they have become global sensations, dominating worldwide. BTS' successful Korean tracks, and also new tracks such as "Crystal Snow", "Let Go" and "Don't Leave Me", with crisp vocals and beautifully delivered rap verses. - The album went platinum in Japan and also debuted on charts around the world. - On the Billboard Year-End Social Chart, BTS is the only K-Pop group to enter, ranking at #34. - First and currently the only K-Pop artist to receive an emoji on Twitter. Most CZcams views for a K-Pop boy group in first 24 hours for Blood, Sweat & Tears with 6.347M viewsFastest K-Pop boy group video to reach 10M views in 40 hours for Blood, Sweat & Tears. Recieved an All-Kill on the Korean Charts with WINGS.Highest charting K-Pop album in the US iTunes, charting at #1 with WINGS.Most first day album sales for WINGS with 141,600 sales in Korea (according to Hanteo Charts). - Highest charting K-Pop song in the US iTunes, charting at #29 with Blood, Sweat & Tears. - Most first week album sales for WINGS with 347,248 sales in Korea (according to Hanteo Charts). - Highest ranked K-pop group video in the CZcams Daily Views, at #1Highest ranked K-Pop artist on the Canadian Billboard Album Charts with WINGS, ranking at #19. -Highest ranked K-Pop artist on the Canadian Billboard Album Charts with WINGS, ranking at #19. NOTE: BTS is the first and currently the only Korean artist to enter the Canadian charts. Highest ranked K-Pop artist on the US Billboard 200 with WINGS at #26. Best first week album sales for K-Pop artist in the US with 16,000 sales with WINGS. First and currently the only K-Pop artist to have three albums on the US 200 Charts.BTS is the first and currently the only artist to receive this Daesang who are not from the 'Big 3'. Want more ?btw no one in kpop didn't even surpassed 2017 bts yet💆♀️
The one where you said "Hwasa isn't the queen of breaking stereotypes", i strongly disagree with. Yes, people in sk like in a lot of other conservative asian countries might consume american music and media and even worship the usa as a whole but even then Hwasa wearing shorts and thigh-highs was so shocking because she wasn't american. She wasn't the white woman in american mvs walking around in bikinis, she didn't have the upbringing of someone born in the west. It was so shocking simply because she was from sk. Its the same in India, white people in music videos walking around topless is okay until someone who is actually indian and isn't a celebrity does it.
I agree that artists who take part in the production of their music/art deserve more respect and recognition. In regards to this, I hope more people appreciate SEVENTEEN as a self producing group. SEVENTEEN has always had the SELF-PRODUCING title ever since they were rookies. WOOZI - svt's vocal leader, is also seventeen's main producer, composer and lyricist. He always had a hand in 99% of all Seventeen's discography since debut (he had also written songs for other idols).Woozi has always been Seventeen's rock and they will never be what they are today if not for him. Also, all the other members had also helped in lyrics composition (most especially hiphop unit) and composition. Moreover, SVT's performance unit(mostly HOSHI), also helps in making their choreographies. Because of this, their "vision" and ideas are always reflected during performances thru dance moves, props and body language (sign language) Special mentions: *Seventeen's Wonwoo and Mingyu made two special videos in which they themselves videographed, edited, directed and produced. *Mingyu had also made a svt magazine and designed some merch. Of course there are a lot of people who had (and continually) helped them in their craft like Bumzu, Primsfilter, their dance teachers and choreography team and others whom Seventeen always expressed they thanks to. Whooo💨.To emphasize my point, again, I hope people respect and recognize Seventeen for what they are.... a SELF-PRODUCING GROUP. It is acknowledged by the Kpop industry and I (personally) believe that SVT are the one that made 'self-producing' a bigger deal and asset in kpop Btw, I don't mean to throw shade to anyone. And I certainly don't mean to discredit other self-producing idols. Thanks for reading my long ass comment. Have a good day!
On the BTS paved the way part, they did spread the culture and exposed kpop even more too. A lot of ppl get into kpop through BTS even without stanning them. A lot of locals know kpop bc of BTS. I think that's why they paved the way if you catch what im trying to say? And plus I'm not gonna argue with the SK president that said they did pave the way
yeh i agree with some of your points, but 'paved the way' implicitly means that they've made it easier for idols to break into various markets, reach milestones etc. although ppl are more aware of kpop, that hasn't stopped locals from comparing, insulting and being downright racist to idols who are trying to break into the western & global markets. you can't deny that bts has helped kpop be more visible to locals, but you also can't deny the negative impact its had on other kpop groups/soloists trying to make it big like nct, monsta x, ateez, twice etc. personally, I believe that based on the def. of paving the way, almost no-one has done that like bigbang, psy and girls generation.
@@ak71717 bts being the golden example is not something anyone can control. Even PSY was attacked with some of the most racist shit you've likely never seen because it was deleted off the internet. BigBang and SNSD were also part of a more novel time. BTS made kpop BELONG, not just be made aware of. That's why they paved the way. Whether other groups can share their heights is up to them, but no one else had done what they did.
@@80s_graffiti reaching new heights that no one has doesn't mean paving the way. it means allowing for future generations and ppl from ur community to achieve similar or even greater success than you have. that visibility that bts has in the west has not moved to any other groups apart from showing the evils of the industry.
We were doing so well until you talked about Hwasa- don't get me wrong, I don't think she's THE QUEEN of breaking stereotypes, but it must be so easy as an American to sit there and assume that doing what is perceived as "typically American things" is easy for women in Korea. The amount of backlash Hwasa has received for being herself is immense. She may be doing something that's unremarkable in America, but it's extremely significant in Korea because the culture is different. What she's doing is questioning a lot of norms and expectations in a terribly misogynistic, colorist society- the context makes all the difference and the way you just dismissed that was disrespectful and untrue. A Korean doing that is that much more scandalous to a Korean audience. And she doesn't just dress a certain way- that's again reducing what she is to her appearance. She writes, produces, and has a personality that's rare to see among female kpop idols because the cost of publicly displaying that personality is too great. So yeah, she has balls. She's broken a heck lot of stereotypes. Like many other women before her, and in her time as well. Don't dismiss the struggles and wins of female celebrities in another culture because they seem normal in yours.
For real not to mention the people that agree with everything she said doesn't seem to be able to handle good counter arguments trying discuss their opinions considering the guidelines for commenting
but do y’all realize that the discussion of who paved the way for kpop wouldn’t even be talked about if it wasn’t for bts? none of you even gave it a second though nor did this topic even exist until korean citizens came up with it and started using it for bts specifically. it’s crazy how y’all have been arguing about this topic for years but in the end, it will always start and end with bts because the truth is that they are the ones who paved the way for kpop. i think a lot of you are confused on what the phrase ‘paved the way’ means. it’s not about who came first or who started kpop, it’s about who made it possible for your faves to get the opportunities that they could only dream of. bts are the reason why other groups are getting invited to american shows, they’re the reason why other groups can now get nominated on new kpop categories on award shows like the VMA’s and PCA’s, they’re the reason why your faves albums are being sold at Target and Amazon, they are the reason why kpop is so recognized and popular today, etc. every time we witness bts achieving something, a few months to a year later you’ll see other kpop groups following in their footsteps trying to seek for the same thing. that’s what paving the way means. y’all can say whatever y’all want but at the end of the day, your opinions really don’t matter in the slightest because impact doesn’t lie. if your faves can acknowledge it and give credit where credit is due, then so can y’all.
girl you spoke nothing but facts! like we wouldn’t even be talking about this right now if it weren’t for bts lmao 😭. i will never understand why so many kpop stan’s have an issue with just accepting the truth. older generation kpop idols, newer generation kpop idols, korean ntzens, korean government officials, even their previous president have all said and acknowledged what bts has done for them but then you’ll have some rando with a name like sarah that’s from mississippi trying to say otherwise smh. kpop stan’s have gotten way too brave with trying to speak over korean people who are actually involved within the industry and it needs to end asap.
It's because hater armies use it to bully other groups, simple as that. They bring it up so that they can get an ego boost becuase their Idols are being praised.
@@not_in_the_mood many groups don't like to accept it because many army's actively tear their smaller groups down. Imagine a bulky cominhbuo to u and demanding you appreciate their efforts to bully you. Exactly clearly u r unaware of those who use this term to demean smaller group, which is what most haters are (bigger groups).
@@via45 i wasnt talking about the groups i’m talking about the fans. many k-pop groups accept and acknowledge the fact that kpop would not be where it’s at today if it weren’t for bts, it’s the bitter stan’s that always deny it. and no it’s not because armys “bully” other groups (saying that is a stretch anyway since armys don’t even talk about other groups unless their stans give us a reason to). but petty fanwars shouldn’t be an excuse for y’all to discredit all the hardwork that bts has done just so YOUR favs can have more opportunities in expanding their careers. so i think it’s you that’s unaware that the reason the majority of kpop stans don’t like that specific phrase isn’t because armys called their favs flops, it’s because most of them have unnecessary hate boners for bts and they’re jealous that the people they stan don’t get to have that title. simple as that.
In my opinion, the American music industry treats non-American acts like "there's limited space" in the market. Only a certain amount will be allowed to "sit at the table". I've noticed this with the "Latin Explosion," which occurred in the mid-90s.
Bts not paving the way is like saying the earth is flat. Few groups wouldnt have existed and even they existed and produced the same songs they released, it wouldn't be as popular istg
I know it made harder for them and i know that's cap. If a group gets 100M now then it would be 10M or less if BTS didnt exist. There were spikes in other kpop music videos when bts became popular. BTS introduced people to kpop indirectly
@@cosmo_rex it was an example. and exaple's values can be anything, but their rate will be the same. and if a group had 10M without bts in a parallel universe, they would have 100M with bts in this universe. its not exaggeration, its facts
Exactly! “Paved the way” implies that more groups are breaking into the international market because of BTS. There are three Korean music acts that are internationally known: BTS, Psy and Blackpink. Psy became popular waaay before BTS broke into the international seen and Blackpink paved their own way. BTS has made their own success and now any other KPop group is going to be compared to them. Look at TXT. They were on an interview with some dumb news show and the first thing the host asked was “Are they the next BTS?” Same with girl groups and Blackpink. They aren’t opening up the floodgates for other acts. They definitely brought more attention to KPop as a whole genre. However, KPop is still considered to be a novelty. Locals still don’t respect KPop. And finally, look at Latin Pop. You could say that Luis Fonsi “paved the way” for that genre after his big hits “Despacito” with Justin Bieber and “Échame La Culpa” by Demi Lovato. But after 2017/2018, you almost never here any Latin Music in mainstream Western radio stations and streaming services. BTS and Blackpink are successful. But what happens when their momentum declines? I don’t see other KPop groups taking that place because the world will move onto the next “in thing”. Yes, both groups have broken barriers and helped to popularize KPop far beyond where it would be now without them. However, it hasn’t become a main staple in the world and I don’t see a lot of groups following them up and demonstrating even remotely similar levels of success. So yeah, I hate the phrase “BTS paved the way”. I love BTS, they’re amazingly talented and have awesome music! And Blackpink is the revolution! But neither group is currently opening doors for the entire genre of KPop as opposed to just for themselves.
u have to wait for next generation for kpop to be held important in music industry. cause nothing means nothing others than English songs are given respect especially in their industry
Bro, I can see where it is coming from since you're including bp in this.bp didn't pushed kpop to the world.they are popular and thats it.if bts weren't they're do you think other groups would have gotten this huge hype??do you?? Bts paved the way is the actual detonation of being logical.not everyone is I jealous stan like you. Now you forgot those achievements bts did as a first kpop group??and now and in the future you'll see other group doing it so that ain't paving a way?? Idk what's so hard to swallow the truth or bts's success.
See this is what a lot of people don't understand, Soyeon takes into consideration the lyrics of their songs based on how easily the other non-korean members could pronounce the lyrics. How is that selfish? She literally patterns the lyrics for her team. And it is a fact that ShuHua requested to have less lines because of how she was criticized for her pronunciation. However, if you look at the songs really, the lyrics are pretty spread out based on the vocal strength of the members.
im a full time army but i agree 100% w/ the "bts didnt pave the way". they for sure made kpop more famous internationally and in the us, but literally no other kpop group is able to surpass bts success, they will always be winning awards and breaking records so it doesnt make sense when i hear people say "bts made it easier for others" when they actually made it harder.
They really did make it harder. I never thought about that. But other groups can pass them up successfully if army's weren't so obsessed with breaking records. I get why they're doing it, but if they were opening their ears to music and not just "let's keep the popular group on top" and were more into listening to, streaming and supporting good music, then other groups will have a chance
@@LovelyKissess im sorry but your comment is coming off as a little toxic. its as if ur saying "armys need to chill out w/ streaming so other groups can shine" or "bts should go on a hiatus so other groups can have a chance". i know you didnt say that but ur comment was kinda immature. bts will always be on top out of all kpop groups, and i dont think any kpop group can ever pass bts bc they DO have the biggest and most strongest fandom in the world. all kpop stans listen to most groups in kpop but some groups just dont have that popularity and big fanbase to pass bts. it sounded kinda weird hearing you say "other groups can pass bts successfully" um thats kinda embarrassing for you sorry. other groups DO have a chance but saying a group can pass bts is seriously dumb. armys arent "obsessed" w/ breaking records they just wanna make bts proud and not let them down. yoongi said he wanted #1, so armys worked hard and gave them #1 [on billboard]. I just think that bts worked so hard to get where they are today and they DESERVE to be on top and they deserve to be #1 on billboard and they deserve to break records. so bestie saying that a group can "sUCcEssfUlLy" pass bts is embarrazzing. sorry :(
@@sidrasobair4367 My comment said nothing of the sort so how can you call my comment childish based off your own assumptions? That's not how that works And no, all kpop stans do not listen to all groups. They don't even listen to half. Most stans are obsessed and stuck on one or two groups. There's so many groups that they won't even bat an eye for Because the groups aren't popular. Look how much people love Straykids after God's menu. Their popularity shot up and now everyone is all of a sudden obsessed with them Now with that said. My comment was saying that if people listen to music Because they LIKE it and not because they're OBSESSED with numbers and popularity, so many other groups could do just as well Obsessing over beating other groups is not how you make someone proud. That is literally the mindset of a child. They are obsessed and you can deny that all you want, but it's true. That's why any other group that gets attention, make great songs or get any praise, army attack them because they don't want anyone else having a career. The moment bts doesn't win something or isn't acknowledged as the best, armies attack. You really think bts would be proud of that? I think not See it for what it is and not for what you all tell each other it is
bts paved the way, just take a look at the bbma nominations, before bts, no korean act would even think of getting a bbma award, but now, groups like blackpink, are getting nominated they might even win that's exactly what paving the way is, before bts no kpop group dreamt of a grammy nomination but now groups have started to submit their names bcuz they know there might be a slight chance of winning or even bagging a nomination bcuz of bts bts paved the way stream ptd
Bts has opened up opportunities. Whereas your reasoning is somewhat rational but theres no denying it. There's literally "kpop" categories in various american shows like bbmas,vmas, etc. While you say "they didnt make it easier, they made it sorta tougher" they made KPOP knows to the world.(on a large scale) thus enabling people to find out other groups as well. You cant possibly denh that. By your reasoning and definition, they may not have"paved the way" but they definitely had an impact huge enough to give opportunities to others. You cannot say that vmas, bbmas etc would've introduced kpop caregories if it wasnt for bts. And also the main reason fans bring it up so often is because unlike rational people like u who actually have some reasons they just hate to appreciate and constantly degrade their achievements
ARMYS NEVER SAY THAT BTS PAVED THE WAY FOR OTHER PEOPLE SO THAT OTHERS CAN CHART ON BILLBOARD HOT 100 AND GET NOMINATED FOR GRAMMYS . But definitely people did start listening to other groups after BTS' achieving things ....yeah definitely people listened to kpop before bts but they got recognition after BTS' achievement and you all SHOULD get that in your head
When I opended this video, I expected the same 'unpopular opinions' I've heard 6789 times, but I needed something to play while eating my sandwich. Little did I know, I got put in my place, shown new horizons and kackled a couple of times. I immediately subscribed.
Even though in your definition BTS didn't pave the way, they did a lot for the kpop industrial. I listen to kpop since 2nd gen, and I didn't see any groups on Billboard charts until BTS. Now you see more kpop groups charting after BTS lead the way. I respect BTS so much because they not only produce and write their own songs, but they still manage to get their college degrees. They are still enrolling for their MBA; they are the most hard working people.
@@Cherrywinx Untrue. Other kpop groups would NOT be selling as many albums or charting if it weren't for BTS. You know how normal it is now for a kpop music video to hit 80-100M views in a few months, right? In 2nd Gen fans used to celebrate and brag when their faves music video used to hit just 10 or 20M views. That is a huge difference, and its sad how she doesn't acknowledge this point in the video. Moreover, many new fans only discover kpop THROUGH Bts because they are the only ones mainstream. Its not for nothing that idols like Skz look so happy and gratifying when they talk about how BTS paved the way.
@@nida5536 MF do you think that BTS are the only reason why k-pop groups are successful? Your opinion is toxic af and it shows that you're a delusional fan who thinks the world centers around BTS. BTS did not work for the big names we know now. They did it themselves and BTS is one of them. Not the reason.
@@emrisruby I AM BEING TOXIC?? Who is the one that's cursing a stranger on the internet for an issue as small as kpop? Kindly shut up if you lack the ability to argue with dignity. I did NOT say that kpop groups are successful because of bts. There have been many successful groups like Bigbang, Shinee, SNSD and Wonder girls before them. But NONE of them were popular outside of Korea, Japan and China. If you think that KPOP was big before BTS, then you are the one being delusional. It was only well known in specific asian countries. Wonder girls and EXO promoted in the U.S music industry but couldn't make it. The big 3 of kpop tried their best to try entering their groups for mainstream success. The category for Kpop wasn't even there in one of the biggest music shows, the VMA, before BTS came. And like I said about the views, the views were far less as compared to the views on kpop music videos these days. Kpop groups and companies could only dream of getting in the billboard top 200 and 100, and these days groups are trying for nominations at the freakin GRAMMYS without even winning a major music award show. It is BECAUSE of Bts that so many people become kpop fans and explore different groups. A rookie group like lesserafim got their antifragile album in the top 200 BB. SKZ got their album maxident in the top 200 BB. These groups that only debuted a few years ago are NOT getting these charts ALL on their own. Remove BTS and their success from the kpop scene, and these groups would only be popular in some asian countries.
Some points are valid, but did strongly disagree on BTS making generic music, as you’ve point out art has different paths, why would you call something generic when their discography spans different genres with strong messages that everyone can relate too.
Wait a dang minute! Can we talk about how well put together this video is? This girl seriously got all her reasons sorted out SO WELL and I don’t know even how to explain it but it’s amazing!
What paved the way for kpop was the internet, CZcams to be specific. Think about how different kpop would be if there was no CZcams. Think about how different BTS would be if there was no CZcams. BTS made kpop more widely known just like Bigbang, 2ne1 and SNSD before them, BUT, they all have one overarching thing in common and that is CZcams.
51:24 Generally speaking, I feel like main dancers in K-Pop girl groups do not have the same opportunity as the boy groups in showcasing the full range of their dancing abilities. Like their movements are always bounded within girl crush, sexy, or cute vibes. I hope to see more performances like Loona's Cherry Bomb cover and Seulgi & Irene's Naughty. Or maybe I just haven't encountered enough girl groups to say so?
I get so mad when people say they’ll support and stream and say things like “queens/kings lets hype them up” to disbanded groups who were screwed over by their company (2ne1 for example) but then when the members release music they flop and the people who say all that are nowhere to be found.
I pity you for saying that BTS didn't pave the way..... Even the rural people in my country knows kpop just because of BTS.... Lol.... Believe whatever makes you sleep better at night
@@everglowup exactly u need it more coz neither monstax nor everglow representating their nation...one news of bts break causing this much havoc to korean economy that even ministry talking about reconsideration....BTS did pave the way for all..I hope u understand english ...coz i am pretty sure its comprehensive...
I feel like ppl don’t understand what BTS paved the way actually means its doesn’t mean BTS were the first kpop group to chart on billboard or even promote in America when Armies say BTS paved the way we mean it as BTS paved the way for kpop groups and asian artists in general to be taken seriously by western market they paved the way for groups to be signed to America labels and get properly promoted in America groups like Blackpink,NCT 127,Monsta X,TXT,Ateez,Twice,Stray Kids and the list goes on and on western kpop fans are the only ones who have an issue with ppl saying BTS paved the way even Koreans say this daily and every Korean agrees
But they aren't, coming from an nctzen. NCT 127 going to America was one of the experiences for the fandom. On the street when they were walking, people were making racist remarks and calling them BTS while laughing at them, and their fans had to correct these people. When they went on radio shows, no one actually respected them and just called them a BTS copy group. They even said their name was stupid and BTS was better. Then Knetizens protested their promotion and the superhuman album did bad since they were in America. While I'm not diminishing their accomplishments or what they sis, they definitely really didn't help these artists, especially boy groups. I mean they don't even do research that one of the members was born and raised in Chicago and speak English. That's just how I feel, but I think I agree with OP more, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.
@@ethanol4367 The same program KTLA did the same thing to other groups including BTS so whats your point they are sooo many good interviewers out there like Zach Sang ,Jojo Beats 1 radio and a lot of kpop groups get interviewed by them BTS,Blackpink,Loona,Monsta X,NCT 127,Stray Kids and the list goes on things take time getting used to when BTS just started to promote in America they were mostly asked dumb shallow questions like what is their fav color because a lot of the interviewers didn’t know that they wrote their own music they just thought they were a manufactured pop group but after Love Yourself Tear then they started asking them serious questions about writing and producing and they started to do the same thing with all other kpop groups the only difference is most of them don’t write their own music especially SM groups so when they go to do American interviews and get asked about how they make music they barely can answer but you can’t deny the fact that they opened the American Market to kpop more cause if the didn’t go to the BBMA in 2017 and win no one including a lot of western stans wouldn’t have known about kpop.
TBH i feel like kpop stans only get mad when Army say bts paved the way because there’s always an air of superiority and arrogance to it. They only bring up bts’ success to shit on other groups.
@@JordanWilliams-ix2td yea I agree. When my non-kpop friends think “kpop” they immediately say Dynamite (which btw I strongly dislike). Kpop to America is BTS and many don’t have the attention span to give other groups a shot. It really sucks sometimes lol
I feel bad for So Mi. She was still really young and had no sad story and ppl kept calling her "arrogant" and "selfish". But when she shares how shes been bullied they say that they now feel bad for her. K-pop fans are OBSESSED with their idols being miserable. and its not ok. ppl should stop fr.
You are clearly despising bts success. You said you didnt ask them them to pave the way for the artist. Neither they didn't work hard just to pave the way for others but to be successful themselves .kpop is clearly divided to era before bts beacme successful and era after bts became successful. Even if other idols just arent getting as famous as bts. Kpop got that big recognition after they attended their first western music award show in 2017. Psy gangnam style became popular and it was the only song he got attention from the whole world. Then he dissapeared. Wonder girls got charted in the bb hot 100 chart and there were no signs of them in that chart. But bts started charting in the bbhot 100 from dna. And through out the started gradually going higher and higher in the charts with their new songs. Only bts made progress in the western music industry while others just came and disappeared to thin air. And right after bts only kpop got popular and other artist are started to get nominating in the western music award shows and charts. Also the kpop category was created aftr bts got popular. This wasnt even a category before bts got fame. I say again you are clearly jealous of bts success cz your faves cant beat them. They get right into the spotlight nowadays but bts waited 2 years for a music win in a domestic show. They nearly disbanded. If bts havent got charted in the bb100 or didnt visit the ama or bbmas. Your faves only would be popular in asia. Even in asia they wouldnt be that popular. Starting from this year only a lot of kpop artists are ariving at a western music award show. And its vmas. Even blackpink the 2nd most popular group got awards only in vmas. Even if you cant agree on this you just hate bts.
Everglow-Up said that yeji was ok not earth shattering in BRUTALLY OFFENSIVE Kpop Opinions: Hard to Swallow Pills for 1K subs ;but in Brutally Ranking ITZY, EVERGLOW, AESPA, (G)I-DLE stage presence yeji no 3 performer.its not mutual same?? Did u change ur mind?
Read the pinned comment on the stage presence video and find out
..... i do not understand this comment
@@finnnn_one Neither do I
LMAOO WHAT IS THIS COMMENT
@@finnnn_one @LovelyKisses @emily commentor is trying to say that in this video, Everglow-up told that Yeji was ok but in czcams.com/video/6KMNd-4HLo4/video.html they ranked Yeji 3rd which doesn't mean the same thing to commentor. So they're asking if Everglow-up changed their mind
What sucks is that the kpop idols who are “relatable” turn into memes and disregarded when it comes to their talent
kevin moon, johnny suh, jackson wang, eric nam and maybe mark lee
Got7 is a good example for that
@@Felinaz i agree
I think bts jin can also be in this category...
@@Taylorc0de Yeah I'd say he semi-fits it. It was a lot worse back in 2017 though people were calling him a mom and just ughh
i- there’s people who genuinely believe their idols want them? 💀
Yes, yes they do
Thats embarrassing tbh i cant believe delulus exist omg 😭🥲
@@moody-eclipse3226 HDHHAHA i think we've all said that joke once (esp since many do read x y'n fanfiction) but thats just it its a gag joke omhBDBDBDD
Sasaengs do
D E L U S I O N A L
"there's a greater chance of me being president in 3 countries than it is for you to marry your idol" HAHHAA YES I wish more of THOSE fans saw this video omg 😂
Best one of the video 😆
One of my favorite lines in this video 🤣 Some fans are totally delulu
Theres a greater chance of me going to mars naked with no clothes and being completely fine than it is for them to marry their idol lol
I can’t wait for the day when EGU is the president of three countries! The world will become a better place! ❤️
LOL and its true lmaoo
The kpop industry isn't a talent show it's a beauty pagent.
I agree but disagree. Theres a lot of popular idols who don't match the beauty standards. At the end of the day what company you come from is all that matters
I agree but disagree too cuz theres mamamoo which is popular without fitting any standards..
@@natashabeckfresh2198 it's not about music for sure may not idols match beauty standard but they sell fantasy more than Music..
Cruel example of it is , what happen to tvxq's Changmin just 2 year ago he released his first solo album despite of tvxq debuting 2003 and him being being on hiatus for a while he was able to sold 60k albums which dropped drastically to 14k in during his 2 mi ni album guess reason he announced his marriage before this mind you album was great and he is one of finest artist kpop has ever seen but he is no longer available for those fans fantasy
This needs to be pinned
Disagreed. Ppl like BTS and EXO have members that dont fit the "beauty standard" but has earned so much respect. I think its based on influence as of now tbh
the tea on self producing idols is so true, many people just don't understand how hard composing and writing a song from scratch is??? not to mention infusing the korean lyrics with some english lines throughout and making sure the song make sense as a whole, but also fits the rhyme scheme?? that shit is hard and let's not even get into song translations. self producing groups will always have my utmost respect.
its why I'm slowly turning into a cube stan, am a nevie and melody so far, but pretty sure pentagon is coming for me. stray kids too tbh
@@judithkim4050 CUBE stan? nah nah, but a melody and nevie? yeah yeah!
@@ammarmunawwar2617 not the company but the groups, they just happen to sometimes get good results but letting their groups have creative control. also maybe ill become a universe hahaha
@@judithkim4050 Good luck! CUBE sucks TBH, (G)I-DLE were so close being the next big thing. They suck at managing, they didn't handel Soojin's situation well and they kicked her out and destroyed her career 😭! Hope they will continue doing well in the future
i like rbw groups, they dont always write everything but they let their rappers write at least write all of their raps(not intros) but if you like self producing groups i recommend purple kiss, onewe, and (g)-idle.
It is extremely hard being a writer. I write and it can either be easy or stressful, but 95% of the time, it's hard. Writers deserve more respect
YES! Not a writer since I'm still a student but I've been writing stories on various platforms and it's really hard. My respect for full time writers has increased so much.
@@AnoushkaRoy :) !!!!!!!
True. I felt that too.
@@AnoushkaRoy same. Since I started writing I respect people for writing it isn't easy sometimes you'll just sit in a place thinking for hours and still might not get anything done and it's frustrating.
@@aditidixit9211 Very frustrating
Another hard pill to swallow : not every group members are best friends and love each other! I mean there are some groups that are genuine best friends and have a strong bond that is built over time, but not all group like that.
It's just a little bit weird to me when a people comments on a reality show about
"member A is being left out by the other members"
and then a whole bunch of people defend the other members by saying something like
"shut up! The other members wouldn't leave him/her out because they love each other. You just commented something like that because you don't know how much they love each other!"
Well the reality is you yourself also don't know 'how much they love each other' because the truth is, they can try to murder each other while they're sleeping and still acts like a longlast besties infront of the camera.
I always think of kpop groups like my class at school. A lot of people don't hang out with me but I dgaf. So I don't care if idols don't talk to one member because the idol probably doesn't want to be talked to.
I think they don’t have to be best friends they are coworkers at the end of the day. Like yes some of them are best friends but as long as there isn’t bullying going on it doesn’t matter if the are besties or not
It's also like, people don't have to be bff's to get along and enjoy each other
This. I can see twice or stray kids or dreamcatcher being bffs but NCT? those 23 men are coworkers istg. I stan and love them but i genuinely believe that most of them arent that close to each other especially the members from the different units.
@@adettessubs444 yes especially bigger groups! Its like a class and you like everyone but not necessrily hang out with all of them lmao
RBW artist(Mamamoo, Oneus, Purple kiss, onewe) are know to write, compose, choreograph their music and I sometimes see comments saying everybody could do such thing so it doesnt matter or it doesn't mean anything. The dedication. It takes to do such thing deserves so much respect.
Omg yes
Vromance is also there, sis. Don't forget about them even though RBW bitchass did
Yes, kpop is very very manipulative. And this is why there are a lot of annoying delusional fans.
it's basically a living fanfiction and markets idols as perfect "girlfriends/boyfriends"
Yup. That and plain old stupidity.
I agree, it's important for us as kpop fans to realize that we'll never actually have any relationship (whether friendship or not) and especially new fans need to except this.
True. And everyone need to know this manipulation. We all love kpop but we are not over obsessed with it.
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I literally saw a kpop unpopular opinions video that said that songwriters are not doing hard work and that writing songs is so easy... kpop idols who are songwriters and/or composers deserve all the respect they recieve and more :(
Whoever made that unpopular opinion needs an a** whooping. That is seriously not easy unless you want trash coming out the speakers
songwriting is not easy it's a literal gift that very few people can do well some people just love to downplay
@@pinkaengelz it's not a gift. A lot of kpop songs today sound like songs that have come out in the past. It is a *skill* though. And it can be learned with time and effort
@@pinkaengelz songwriting is not a gift: studying music theory, how to play an instrument, how to use a music program and besides it's not a genetic natural born skill, it take years of practice, study and failures before doing something decent and complex. It's a little bit "reductive" to say the least to call it a gift.
That's why I fell for stray kids and gidle
"They are always compared to BTS! just ask NCT, they'll tell you!"
damn sis the pain you caused me with that truthful sentence
people disrespecting nct in america is really painful to watch...
@@atiredail.e yep! that’s why i think twice before watching them
exactly omg, mark literally has to explain they're not bts
girl i still remember it till this day 🙄👆 glad that girl there was like " THEY'RE NCT" like period sis
really? I'm sorry, I know saying sorry isn't gonna do anything but I really do feel really sorry :(
You have my respect for the "pave the way" point . You said everything correctly without downplaying their hardwork or success.
@solemn(￣³￣) and what you said was more like" even though what she said was true with proper reasoning let me just pretend I don't understand English just because they are my fav."
@𝒩𝒶𝓃𝒶𝓈𝒽𝒾 kpop is not that deep girl take a deep breath
@𝒩𝒶𝓃𝒶𝓈𝒽𝒾 okay chill 😭🤌🏻. Bestie I'm an army and yes BTS is famous and did pave the way. But not completely. Imagine, like how would people know BTS when they debuted? Due to other k-pop idols right?😀 They wete probably stans then found out the new groups. But after they became famous randomly people knew them and started stanning. But there are many who doens't stan bts yet. There are many other fandoms they are part of other than army. Many started with 2nd generation groups too.
@@k-popbutterfly9417 without gangam style and 2nd gen , 3rd gen = nothing lol
@@vandexunderwear some people didn’t even know Gangnam style was kpop lol even I didn’t so technically he didn’t exactly help kpop but I think kdrama really helped pave the way then BTS.
"idols don't have to be relatable"
I AGREE. For example, when Soobin (omg love him) was talking about how he isn't good at math and doesn't like it on that one live stream, everyone was like "omg so relatable wow an idol bad at a subject in school." Like girl, did you just think that all idols aced every subject? Personally, math is the only subject I was good at in school and English class too. Him being bad at math isn't relatable to me personally because I'm actually really good at it and every time I tell someone that, they say "well not everyone is good at it." I know that but not everyone is bad at it. See how it works? An idol being bad at something doesn't suddenly make them human. They're a human to begin with and shouldn't have to have hardships for you to realize that.
finally someone who is also good at math 👀 for some reason there's this thing about everybody finding math hard and things like language classes easy and it's so frustrating being told I'm weird just because i find math to be really easy and find my language classes to be extremely difficult
I agree I myself is ok at math and I agree
@@azpizzazz3442 I would have said must be nice to be good at math cause I can't understand it but wish I could lolz, I don't think it's weird that someone is good at math or other subjects. I'm bad at math and managed to pass with a C+ so I did something right I ig but I was really good at English and other subjects.
@@leetaeminshairdye yeah it's the exact opposite for me lmao math is pretty straightforward but english is so annoyingly vague (to me) 😂
@@m3hkiath3diza36 exactlyyy
I feel like for Twice and Itzy, they can do a LOT better if it wasn't for JYPE putting them in a box of how they should be singing. Twice has a song called ' Make Me Go' in which they all sound so good by singing in their actual range and ITZY will improve as they go on.
true!
true twice sound so good when they sing in their range and i'm sure itzy has a lot of potential as well
I agree Twice's Bsides are underrated I feel their Bsides are soo good but still JYPE is like do this Cute stuff but I am happy that we get to see their Mature side but honestly I love Twice concepts and songs also their Bsides also Twice write their own Bsides
i'm not a once but i love make me go. i love the sound and the vocals
SPILLL!!!!!!! TO BE HONEST I CAN SEE JIHYO IN ACTING WITH JEONGYEON!!! MINA HAS A HIGH END VISUAL THAT CAN GET SOME HIGH END BRANDS !! I don't know maybe I'm not up to date to their project but I feel like twice should be something more
A bit off topic but I feel if only kpop wasn't so centered on visuals, there could have been some genuinely mind blowing talents in the industry. Not every amazing singer can be a visual and this is why some rare gems are still hidden in the population who probably will never get to show their talent ;-;
This is so true but if kpop wasn't so centred on visuals it wouldn't be that popular.
If KPOP isn't all about visuals it would have been like J-POP, just popular domestically.
Exactly
@@ammarmunawwar2617 yup
That's kinda the reality of the industry everywhere. Not only in music either. Being marketable matters more in general in everything. Even more so in music as a lot, really a lot of pop is created to be easy to listen to and sing along to and it doesn't require godly talent. A lot of songs that flex vocals for example arent songs you can listen to a lot.
It's kinda shitty but it's the reality of the world rn.
" "a lot of people on youtube said that lisa's dancing is great" YES because they know your fandom is insane and they dont wanna be hated on"
Girl 💀
Girl you just absolutely satisfied the hell outta me, thank you
But her dancing is great though, just not the best, and it's kind of overrated too, but she's still a good dancer
Seriously tho people be putting her in first place when her dance is not even close to other dancers like- she ain’t bad but common
Exactly
Saying that Lisa is the best dancer in kpop and forgetting J-hope, Momo,Seulgi,Seungyeon,Jimin, Hyoyeon , Chung Ha, BoA, Taemin , Taeyong, Rain etc dont even exist sounds so dumb. Lisa is a great dancer but not the best one ppl
@LostOnes yes i'll add her too
@@okayy3783 omg you add hyoyeon 😭😭i love you
There are actually people who think that K-Pop only is the bright side they show us-💀
And that's really sad. Mainly for those who wants to be a part of it. They think Korea is like kpop. Happy and cute. NOPE
oh not this dark side of the kpop industry shit😭 we already know !!
@@LovelyKissess yeahh kpop is way too dark. But we shouldn't forget to enjoy it. blindly following kpop without knowing it's dark side is worse than enjoying kpop being aware of dark side.
@@maddy4690 The entertainment business itself is way to dark. It goes beating Korea. If there was something we could do about it, most people wouldn't even do it
Those are just people who already done with the reality and want to forget it so they turn to kpop which they think is the bright side of life yet in fact, kpop's also dark and it didn't change their dark reality..
I really agree with the idea that kpop was designed to make people obsessed. I see videos all the time of idols flirting with fans during fansigns. You can not tell me these idols are genuinely interested in their fans, my guess is they do it to make fans feel special so they will continue to try to win fansign tickets. It’s honestly kind of sad how much people buy into the idea of having a chance with their idol.
To keep the fandom happy so that they can support them . That's the strategy sis.....
I've always thought kpop is essentially one big thirst trap. Like you take these conventionally attractive idols who (If their company is lucky) can dance/rap/sing well, and they're instructed to have that idol persona (likable, cute, friendly). They also have to do fanservice too. So it's like these companies strategically design an idol's image to be as desirable as possible so that people become obsessed and spend as much money as possible.
@@heyjojo7919 yes. But after idols come back from military, they don't even care lol. I mean i don't blame them cuz it's company's agenda to do all that lovey dovey shit. They must get tired from all this. I wish they were treated like normal artists just look at american artists.
@@maddy4690 Yeah like, I understand that companies just wanna make a lot of money but a lot of their restrictions are so ridiculous. Like male and female idols can't even glance at each other without a dating scandal popping up and then they have to apologize for stuff like getting married or accidentally liking a picture it's so dehumanizing and weird.
@@heyjojo7919 yaa. Artists should be treated like artists and it's so sad to see they are just treated as some manufactured products and then get discarded completely once the use is done. It's truly disgusting for artists mental health overall as they completely get bashed by company and fans. There's no way out for them :((
As a moomoo and hwasa lover, I 100% agree. Hwasa is a queen overall, but many many many idols have broken stereotypes even more than hwasa in some cases. Idols like amber and moonbyul for example. Hwasa indeed just does her own thing and couldn't care less what people say. She makes her own standard as she said. But there is no idol to pin point or put on top when it comes to breaking stereotypes.
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Before hwasa there’s hyuna and lee hyori
@@faqqieyalias3465 yes hwasa idolize Lee hyori herself, I myself hate that people see her only as someoje who is breaking stereotype and ignore how unique her vocal and Amazing songwriter n composer she is ..
i think hwasa, compared to amber, is on the other spectrum. amber is not afraid to be tomboyish while hwasa does not shy away from being feminine. not only that, not beign the conventional body type for kpop also makes me proud o her.
To be fair, Amber and Moonbyul are always referred to beautiful and were never looked down on for being tomboys. "Girl-crush" is an old concept in kpop that very few female idols have the privilege to achieve. Amber was actually scouted in the middle of the street by SM's staff *because* another famous Korean singer from the 80's/90's had the tomboy look and was really famous for it. This was never a broken stereotype to begin with. Koreans loved it and still do.
Unlike them, Hwasa was insulted and shunned by a good number of people for having curvy hips unlike other idols. I'm not saying that there aren't idols who don't fit the standard and broke the stereotypes, because there are. Such as Bobby from iKON for his look and who showed everyone that idols can rap and actually win at a rapping competition, or Jooheon from Monsta X who people actually saw him as scary for his looks and intense rapping and even certain staff within his company actually told him to change back then.
Thank you for bringing up the fact that Chinese celebrities need to publicly support China otherwise their families will disappear. I saw this issue brought up with Liu yifei and the mulan live action and was literally screaming at my screen for twitter flipping out about her statement. We don’t know how Chinese celebrities actually think but not everyone has the freedom to actually express their opinions publicly.
Also thank you for bringing up that K-pop is not woke. It is ironic how K-pop appeals to woke crowds despite it being everything woke culture isn’t (racist, homophobic, exploitative, capitalist, the list goes on)
woozi from seventeen is definitely underrated in terms of being a songwriting-producing idol
YESS
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@@moody-eclipse3226 yupp never
Preach!!
This guy really multitalented
I think Soyeon gives more lines to herself on songs she produces because she has a vision of how a part should be sung not because she wants to hoard attention. Also, Zico is also a producer for a lot of Block B songs and gets WAY more lines than Block B members compared to Soyeon and members of gidle but crickets. No hate towards Zico at all. Double standard at its finest.
Soyeon doesnt choose the lines each of the members pick lines for themselves
@@nosheenbaheen2426 na, not sure about that (in all the songs) if it was 100% the cases, Shuhua wouldnt have only 3 secs on Hwa. And dont use the confident card because in OMG and Lion she had lines
@@kdome9107 thats because shuhua isn't confident with korean while singing
@@kdome9107 shuhua literally said it herself she is not that confident
@@kdome9107 check out THE PROPER LINE DISTRYBUTION IN HWAA
Shuhua basically sings The ENTIRE chorus and with that she is second in The linę distibution
I saw someone call Soyeon for G-idle selfish and I was just like “w h a t”
Same some ppl were arguing about who owned which era from idle and someone said “but Shuhua didn’t have the most lines so how could she own it?” And then I said “Well she doesn’t need to have the most lines to own the era, if it was about lines then Soyeon would have owned practically every era” and then this dude goes “yeah you’re right I hate Soyeon she’s so selfish” I’m like W h a t
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If soyeon was selfish, she would've ditched G-IDLE in a heartbeat and become a soloist considering she's already so fucking well-rounded. She can sing, she can write her own music, she can dance, she can compose her own songs. If I was in her place, I would've done that if somebody had the fucking audacity to call me selfish despite me doing all the fucking work.
@@elonpapasavelooner4822 PERIOD. She’s a hit-making machine with survival show experience, recognition and talent to back it up. She could far well enough on her own but allowed her vision to be applied to a group setting.
@@acaterinab even Hwaa was inspired by Shuhua 💀
Seventeen seriously deserves more recognition for being a self-producing group. Especially Woozi. They are literally SO SO involved in everything they put out
"maybe they are underrated because they deserve it"
*Miss ma'am I choke my breakfast* 😭
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@@shaylany4232 what is that? 👁️👄👁️
@@jka1165 did you watched the video 🥰🥰💟
Marketing (+visuals) > talent
Facts. The power play and monopoly in the society as a whole naturally assimilates into the kpop industry. Thus, debuting in the big 3 is considered a safe path in the industry. Why? They ace the marketing game. No matter how talented the artist is, if not marketed in an appropriate manner, not a lot a people will care.
That's why big 3, groups get so big, sm especially is very focused on visuals, he even tried to get some of the visuals of k-pop like jin and jisoo
@@swatideshmukh2280 XD yeah Jin on the streets but thought it was scam
The western music industry works like this too. You don't need to be exactly talented, just a catchy music and then your suscefull. Ofc, you have to know how to do your thing, just like in every normal job, even if it's mediocre
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agreed the more beautiful the idol is the more newcomers gonna chase them...
About the first one, in Korea it's really common for people to use clothes and stuff with things like rainbows, or the color pattern of the Bi flag, and it's just because they think it looks pretty, not because they support it. To the point that the lgbtq+ community of the country don't usually use the pride and the bi flag as symbols, because a lot of people already uses it without any special meaning
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they even wear clothes with problematic symbols such as the confederate flags because they think it’s stylish
@@sana.4.a the confederate flag is not problematic.
It is THE TRUE FLAG.
Galaxy Rain lol no
@Diamond Geek
I am ALWAYS right.
The first USA 🇺🇸 flag was the Confederate Flag.
In 1779.
korean who lives *in Korea* here. it bothers me sometimes when i-netz always assume that korea is *so* conservative and very racist, homophobic, etc. that portion of our population isn't as much as many i-netz blame us to be. this stereotype is harmful because it leads people to believe things such as there are no gay idols because they 'dont know what gay means' or 'gay people arent in korea' ...sorry to break it to you but there are many gay people in korea. there are some people in our country that give it a bad reputation, but when you start listening to the loud minority you ignore the quieter majority of people who aren't as extreme as you think. as if America is perfect too......
yeah i’m from america and it always bothers me when people say that america is so socially progressive compared to south korea.
THIS!!!
🙌🙌
Yes, I whole heartedly agree with you, I think American media tends to sell a hyper sexualized and scandal filled image because that is what sells. Just because the Korean media image being portrayed is more socially innocent and conservative, by comparison to the US mind you, doesn't mean that they are accurate depictions of either nation.
No country's population is going to live up to their portrayal in their own media. Unless you go to Korea and stay for a significant amount of time, then stop making these type of accusations of an entire country..
1. I don't think she means that a liberal country is better than a conservative country.
2. Objectively speaking US is way more socially liberated than Korea.
3. I don't think anyone would think that gay people aren't in Korea or that they don't know what gay means.
I dont know how many times I have to say this but JUST👏BECAUSE👏YOU👏STAN👏AN👏"UNDERRATED"👏GROUP👏DOESN'T👏MAKE👏YOU👏SPECIAL
Thank you. Agree 10000%. It also goes the other way around. Just because you are part of the biggest fandom, does not mean you have to dictate the entire conversation about talents in K-pop groups.
JUST BECAUSE YOUR FAVES HAVE POPULARITY DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY ARE TALENTED ENOUGH TO GET THOSE AWARDS🤣🤣🤣TEACH THEM HOW TO SING WITHOUT AUTOTONE CAUSE THEIR VOICE IS LIKE NOISE🤣🤣🤣
This!!! Omg so much people think they are higher than other kpop stans cuz they stan small groups like noone gives a shit if u know small groups we all know dam well u stan them to feel special🙄 or or to be "different🙂"
Just because u don’t Stan Bts DOESNT MEAN U SHOULD SHIT ON THEM EVERYWHERE U GO every Koop group chat I join has a phase of just shitting on bts and the army’s in there feel pressured to agree
Tysm I love u
big 3 are called big 3 because they shaped kpop into what it is today. bighit never was and never will be a part of it, neither will any other company.. bighit just excelled at them in their own game. why be a part of big 3 when you can be bigger lmao.
Why do you think they will never be a part of it ?
@@mingiiyaa5673 because the name "big 3" comes from these 3 companies forming the whole concept of kpop and not because they are the richest or the most popular . the concept of idol groups and the whole procedure behind making those groups were started by these 3. you can watch DKDKTV's history of kpop video if you want more details. Bighit is the biggest company , even bigger than the big 3 in terms of popularity and financially and in that sense you could call these 4 companies the biggest . bighit will be "big 4" when it makes a prominent change to the current kpop and not in the sense of musicality or creativity but to the way this industry works. hope you understand now
@@JordanWilliams-ix2td did I say any different? Big 3 are called big 3 coz they shaped kpop ,yes, but that doesn't mean they'll always be the best. Bighit has become bigger than all the companies thanks to BTS and has made history not just in k-pop but the music industry as well.
U guys say that big3 is big3 cause they are wht made kpop wht it is today.
Sure they will always be ..... no one gonna change the original big3
BUT bighit also has played a freaking huge part to bring where kpop is today.
Big 3 made kpop firm in probably Korea China Japan indo Philippines etc.....but I'd say where kpop stand today globally and specifically the US which is most important and biggest music market is cause of BIGHIT and Big3 is following for the same path due to BTS and BH.
So in short.....big3 will be big3 but BH inputs should also be acknowledged and not dissed due to big3
@@melissav2457 yup. That's why BTS paved the way ✋
One thing that frustrates me, is when people have the impression that if they say a song is not good from their faves, they are being called fake fans. I heard way too many people saying that for example "libidO" and "Mafia in the morning" from OnlyOneOf and Itzy are "the best songs" just so that they are not called out as fake fans. It's nothing wrong in having your own opinion. Grow up people.
This! Tbh i liked those two songs but i understand why some people wouldnt like it. As someone who hs weird music tastes who's spotify goes from hard rock to cutesy pop then a ballad, I have very open mind when it comes to song and like almost everything I hear but what annoys me is how a person not liking a song is seen as fake and a person liking a song is seen as delusional or "you just like it coz you like the group" nah coz you can literally play Piri and i would pretend not to stan dreamcatcher
@@zrencos absolutely true. Also great example, Piri is one of my fav songs from DC 😅
I agree… for some people those songs are not good snd some it’s good. Not everyone have to say all their artist they like have good music. To prove they are a fan. There is some songs I don’t like but that don’t make any less of a fan
omg r u a lyon??? that's so nice!!! Thank u for bringing up OnlyOneOf. One important thing with libido and now skinz is that they're not really their best songs, it's more about the marketing and the role they play it their lore. Like, there was a recent interview in which Junji said and some other members agreed that OnlyOneOf you was their vest music so far and that they have never made anything as good as that song. SO yeah I totally agree with u. Honestly, I prefer libido over skinz, but their besides r so AMAZING, it's crazy how they mostly produce themselves and even the choreography.
@@ClaraGD i totally agree with you here 😁
i have so much respect for stray kids, bts, soyeon and all the groups who are involved in the production of their music. they work so hard and for people to downgrade their hard work is just disgusting
I disagree some of your opinions but your explanations are pretty valid.
LMAO DARWIN-
I disagree with some of the opinions too, and while I get you explanations I'd also like to discuss some of them
i also disagree with some
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You're free to disagree, after all that's the totality of an opinion ^^
As much as i love lisa its true she’s really overhyped cuz blinks attacks evey body if they say lisa isn’t the best in my person opinion there can’t ever be "The Best” in this running industry there will always be somebody better then your fav idol and thats not just in kpop its also in life in general but i think Chungha is one of the best dancer currently her fluidity and movement makes her so pleasing to watch when she dances
I agree even as a blink. Is she an amazing dancer? Yes. Is she better than average dancers? (Arguably) yes. Is she overhyped? Yes. She hasn't even had much of a chance to show her good dance skills since even in Lilifilms her songs are more about slow choreography that fits the generally slower rnb (I think thats the right genre for the 3rd one at least) song and she's skilled enough to make it look good but it's not difficult for most dancers to perform. I think she's overhyped just because she didn't have time to shine as a dancer in general since her choreo is pretty easy and even in the harder ones like Swalla isn't like "oh my god! So difficult". I 100% agree with you
@@heyfelixxxheyyyigottheimpo4560 she is not the choreoghrapher, she didn't choreoghraph the song's
It's not only bout blinks , it happens with every Stan's , don't blame BLINKS only , Lisa deserves the hype, just because she's getting more hype than other's doesn't mean she's overhyped
@@bro-nu1bd I know. I'm not saying she can't get hype, I just want her to be able to show how much well she dances before people say she's the best and fight people over it. It's like asking a professional chef to make a Peanut Butter and Jelly Sandwich and basing their skills on that. That doesn't make them a bad chef, and it doesn't determine that they are the best chef. Using that chef's skill to determine their cooking ability makes sense if you get what I mean? The choreographies don't determine her abilities since they are pretty easy and I hope she can showcase her talent well with harder dances! Thanks for not yelling or fighting with me :3 -fellow blink
I mean but I seriously think she is one of the best dancers in the industry rn tho, a lot of unbiased professional dancers on CZcams also ranked Lisa number 1, even if she isn't the best she at least is also one of the best
“Lisa’s dancing is overrated...” OMG! Yes! FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT!!
I always thought the same but never said it because of the hate... literally any Dreamcatcher member or gfriend member would eat her up
@@kdome9107 Same. agree 100%. I really don’t understand why her dancing is so hyped, I mean I like Lisa! she’s awesome, but i just don’t think her dancing is that special.
Yes I believe those best blank rankings are just based on whose most popular
As a choreographer, her moves r stiff, even rose is much better than her. She doest have her signature, and she wasnt expert at least one of those type of dance.
@@kdome9107 sinb!!! Her moves r amazing seriously
I love Kpop. But I'll never willingly refer to myself as a _"stan."_ The word's origin is undeniably negative, and some _(quite a lot)_ of these fandoms are downright insufferable and gatekeep like they're getting paid to do so. I can support the artists and groups that I like, and enjoy the music without obsessing to a mentally unstable point and acting as if all the idols I like personally owe me the world or some shit, and having a breakdown when finding out they date. I've never encountered a more disgusting, resentful, delusional, malicious, and simultaneously childish fandom than that of Kpop. So many aspects of it are bizarre to me, I'll never be down with labeling myself as a _"stan."_
I never understood why people are okay with being a Stan. Fan is still a perfectly fine word to use
Stan - Eminem
@@LovelyKissess Stan in kpop means u are a fan of the group not the Eminem version
@@brennathecatlover4360 I know what Stan mean. But the only reason it's a term is because of Eminem's song and that's not a good thing. And honestly, looking at kpop stans, they're not too far off from the guy in the song, so it's fitting
wasn’t “stan” originally made as a mix of “stalker” and “fan”? it’s so weird that people use this word so casually 😭
Yes, finally a reasonable, non-biased k-pop CZcamsr.
And a overly pessimistic one,everyone is biased,there is no way someone cant be biased,your life will make you be a certain way,and i think the girl in the video is a pessimistic person,so she will see things in a pessimistic kinda way,and i,a more optimistic person will see things in a more positive way,no holds the truth of the world,and the girl literally calls everything she doesn't agree with being dumb,thats not unbiased
@@cryfly1 I can understand your view, this is just what I felt but I respect your perspective too!
@@sinchanakeshav4765 it okay what you felt,i just expressed what i think,i think no one in the world can be unbiased,you must always take other people statements with a grain of salt,because people can change the narative a little bit unconsciously,even i do that a lot sometimes and dont realize,im doing that right now lol
@Disappointment and i think thats bullshit,most people who i know who call themselfs realistic are pessimistic people who just think they are right,like i said,everyone is biased,if you claim that you just know the reality,cool,but i think that is bullshit,for me,you just someone who is not open to the option that maybe you dont fucking know the truth
@@cryfly1 i agree. It is impossible to be non-biased and the people who claim that are non-biased are just simply lying to themselves and to others. Also i disagree with some of her statements cause we really don't know what happens deep inside the kpop, this is only the top of the iceberg and claiming that everything is bad and having such a strict opinion on kpop is as stupid as saying that kpop is vanilla flavoured marshmallow.
Omg you're literally the first one to say artists who write and produce their own songs deserve more respect....i could not believe what i was hearing from all these other unpopular kpop videos...almost like they wanted to make themselves feel better by saying something so idiotic. I feel like thats a big reason why BTS were even able to be so successful.
Most of these unpopular kpop opinion videos are blatant hate tbh
Abt artists writing and producing- FOR SUREE. Also when they do get recognize tho, fans love to make it seem like they did everything so that’s another problem abt this general topic of the writing and production process of our idol’s songs. It makes me sad that the other producers and writers are completely discredited because of the fans who look over them or choose not to do more research and tell everyone it was produced and written ALL by that idol. Yes there’s cases the idol does indeed do it all, but most of the time they have a whole team.
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I think so as well tbh
@@pinkturtle2016 oh yess! I think someone need to make a video on how this so-called unpopular opinions are just straight up hate and when people starts to question they're portrayed as toxic fans by their subscribers and them.
I think BTS made it slightly easier for TXT and ENHYPEN. But generally speaking, they made it hard for everything.
I agree, txt had it hard since they came from the same company so they were being held to high standards. Other kpop groups success is often compared to bts and its rlly not fair tbh because not everyone has the same level as success.
@@pinkturtle2016 it is gonna happen. till this day artist are compared to success of MJ,Britney,Beyonce but that does not mean others are not successful
@@moonkissedcovers4703 ik that
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Yep, because kpop is such a novelty that BTS will hit big with whatever they do but other groups can't because BTS is being seen as Kpop when they're honestly just pop now
In the west, BTS paved the way for Korean acts the way the Beatles did for English acts in the U.S. and Canada. There were many British acts that came after the Beatles that did not surpass them regarding charting or awards but were still considered very successful (such as the Rolling Stones, the Who, a bunch of others) and produced music in very different ways. A lot of people are now paying more attention to Korean art of all kinds because of the impressive art produced by BTS. If it were not for BTS, I would not have known about Aespa, Zico or IU, that I am now a big fan of. I think BTS likely did pave a road for others to walk on but I guess only time will be able to tell us.
True at least bts paved the way to see more good artists in Korean . I never cared about korean language becz i didn't understand but for bts in my country more people are have interest in korea and even media also interested in Korea because bts are really famous. . for bts American awards show are putting kpop categories becz they want to remove bts from compating with their artists before bts they didn't even acknowledge kpop. True that everyone can success they are own but kpop get some chance to have a us success
This^^ facts they didn't make it easier for other kpop groups to reach their level of success but they did open a path for Korean acts to be more popular and internationally recognized... I agree with you and what the girl says in the video combining these two points forms a major fact that's it..
Yeah I think boracity explained it well
@@9mmstella For sure very well
Did y'all forget that psy, girls generation, shinee, exo existed? The west had always been interested in Kpop ever since the Hallyu wave, and these people were the forefront of that.
Sis this wasn't a hard to swallow pill, you threw rocks down my throat. My eyes have been opened 👁👄👁
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This is so true lol. The thing I hate the most about kpop is the delusional fans, kpop is full of them.
Oh man. It's the worst part and the fan wars
But you are forgetting that there wouldn't be delusional fans if companies didn't force idols for fan service (+ they have amazing visuals too). Every action has an equal and opposite reaction too sis🖐️😫
@@maddy4690 That's not the company fault though. Fans need to learn to control themselves. You can lust and crush, but you don't need to become delusional because someone is cute or because they're telling fans they love them. As fans we should know and understand that it's solely for entertainment purposes and know our boundaries. PLUS, companies wouldn't force it if fans didn't want it
@@maddy4690 Yes, I know it.
I agree.
As a Blink and a dancer myself, for me (and what i've always listen in my entire dancer carrer), the base of a dancer is to know how to improvise, because if something happens you have to continue to dance and don't let anyone notice that that wasn't supposed to happen, and lisa doesn't know how to do that. She is an amazing performer, YES SHE IS, but as a full well-rounder dancer, sis ain't it and you can see everytime people ask her to do a improve she doesn't know what do to. So yeah, she is a perfect idol dancer but no a perfect dancer overall
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Yess. Lisa is an amazing dancer and she has great, almost S-tier technique, however, there’s videos of her where she’s asked to freestyle by some hosts of a variety show and she didn’t do good at all. 🥲 None of the members of Blackpink did. I’ve only ever seen idols like J-hope. Seulgi and Momo do good freestyles tbh
@@minnah.k Girl i'm such a blackpink fan, so when i saw the documentary last year I actually saw that blackpink did the "freestyle" that she did on the variety show as a coreography for a montly evaluattion, so she didn't even freestyle at all. So yes, she know how to dance, but its not full well-rounded dancer how many blinks make it seem (which is totally fine, she doesn't need to be perfect)
@@harrie8747 Yes, I’m a huge BlackPink fan as well, but it’s really cringey to see Lisa stans forcing the idea to other people that Lisa is absolutely perfect + the best dancer in the entire industry. But given that it’s mostly teenage girls who are pushing this opinion onto others, I shouldn’t be too surprised that this is happening 😅 plus, I’ve seen many other main dancer idols (and even just those dancers who post their choreographies CZcams) dance the just like Lisa does in her LiLifilm series.
Also, I’m not trying to deny that Lisa has talent, bc she does. She’s obviously gifted from birth and is better than regular idol dancers. All i’m tryna say is that other people are also gifted like her and can do the same thing, if not MORE, so her stans should stop acting like she’s an absolute rarity.
@x d are you a dancer? Like i don't want to be mean but she has flaws and i don't think she is one of the best.
Saying BTS didn’t pave the way as an international fan -who 9o% of y’all got your introduction through BTS- is grade 1 hating. 😂
I also need people to discuss more about reaction channels that are seriously fishing for views and revenue. A lot of fans think that their fave's legitimacy is more valid when you hear random people who captions (American reacts to, or black react to, or white people react to, Europeans react to, Friends react to, non-kpop fans react to) its annoying. I mean honestly, they'd make comments, faces that are too dramatic to appeal to the viewers coz they'd make revenue out of kpop fans. It's too much.
Omg so true
yesss that’s why I like watching “dancer/vocal coach/classical musicians/etc react to x” they always add something substantial and informing👏🏼 a lot of them literally react for views
Busra Akinci yes, although I also don’t like when it’s something like “dancer reacts” but it’s a ballad song with no choreo, then it also feels like view fishing
I never like those. I feel like they are fact. Whenever I person that tells me they like kpop, it’s hard for me to believe cause people today use kpop
Well that's why I usually avoid watching reactions but there are a few genuine people who actually love the group.
I'm completely with you on Soyeon. She knows she's one of the main draws to (G)I-DLE, so it's stupid if she sidelines herself. It would hurt marketing the group as a whole. Also, she didn't fight in the trenches of CUBE and various variety shows just to allow others to benefit from her work. I'm a Neverland, and I know that Miyeon and Minnie are really popular vocally. But I'm sorry, if she just wrote for them, not only would it hurt herself, but it'd hurt the others too. And I'm also sorry, but no one in that group is as versatile as Soyeon, and Yuqi is my bias. The girl is one of the best dancers in the group, she can sing with the best of them, her stage presence is on another level, and oh yeah, she's the best rapper of this generation, while she writes/produces everything. Everyone in (G)I-DLE is talented. I love them, but come on. If Soyeon wanted to go solo, she could have done it long before now. She sticks around because I believe (G)I-DLE is one of those groups that...you know... actually likes each other.
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Yess she is 100% an all rounder. She’s good at singing, rapping, dancing, and has immaculate stage presence. I respect that she’s so willing to be a part of a group and not want to keep the spotlight only on herself by going solo
Some of your words are just trying to pull down some of the members hideously. Soyeon debuted as a soloist even before gidle but you see there is a reason why soyeon is not as successful alone as compared to her group. You should know by now if you claim yourself as neverland, that gidle success has A LOT TO DO WITH THE COLOR OF THE GROUP. soyeon is genius, she is capable of creating songs that fix her members. What makes her song great is the members themselves, bcs she is inspired by them like she always said.
You saying things as if soyeon doesn't need the other members is one incredible dumbest thing i read about soyeon. Just like u want so much respect for soyeon, u should give the same amount of respect to other members too. Minnie is popular vocally for reason, and SOYEON RECOGNIZED THAT REASON SO SHE KEPT HER CLOSE SO CUBE DEBUT HER WITH THAT GIRL. Obviously she knew long before that Minnie is going to ace the team vocally, and that deserves respect.
Thats one argument. Yuqi, Miyeon, Soojin even Shuhua contribute to the team so stop saying words as if the rest of the group is just some extras for soyeon.
That's a dumb way to look at it... Your basically saying she's the only one in the group that deserves the attention... That's not ever how a group should be. If she doesn't like sharing the spotlight than she shouldn't be apart of the group. period. She's not going to be 'hurt' by giving herself less lines... And it shouldn't matter within a kpop group, because guess what the GROUP should come first and be balanced.
I love SHINee too
Lol you're everywhere
How seen you even here wth
Damn dude stop being everywhere
At this point ....... whyyy
@Misty Ikr...
Her opinions are very brutal indeed but they make a lot of sense.
She had the best unpopular opinions in the kpop youtube community.
I'd like them better if they were more accurate. For every true thing she says about BTS the next I not true.
okay so i could be wrong (correct me if i am) but i think stays and not stays both really need to calm down about the woojin situation? like Idols leaving groups is nothing that didn’t happen before... there was a lot of drama with woojin bc of the accusations and stuff but i thought he’s officially proved to be innocent? so why can’t we just put this topic down. like not pretend it didn’t happen but just move on? i don’t get why people are getting so sensitive when OT9 is mentioned somewhere... like yes it’s OT8 now but don’t pretend OT9 didn’t happen🤷♀️ don’t wanna be offensive, just needed to say this🖐🏻
THISSSSS, OMG I LOVE YOU.
Stays,the ones that still hate Woojin, are the reason we can't just leave that false rumor in the past. They still comment on his post, his videos, under others comments calling him and them names. People still get death threats for just following him. I do agree with you, but it's a little hard to do with people like that still around
@@LovelyKissess you got a point there:/
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Lisa's dancing is good just not as good as people say it is. You don't have to be the best to be a good dancer. Lisa has a stiff torso and he needs to work on her wrists too. Yes, there are better dancers than lisa but that doesn't make lisa a bad dancer.
To be honest the 4th generation of K-pop is just dance competitions or that's what the fandoms argue about
Fr. only group like aespa, weeekly and purple kiss r not following it....
@@Dimyixx Aespa, weekly and purple kiss are OP.
Lol.. 🤣🤣 agreed very strongly. What us music even !!! 🙄🙄
Well then u haven't heard their songs yet
@@bangchanniehasmeweakforhis4528 we heard it even their performance. You can tell that they focused on their performance and choreography and not on music
"AleXa has gotten more stage presence than the group combined" GIRL NOW YOU JUST SPEAKING FROM MY MIND I CAN'T-
Stays: Don't associate woojin with skz!??!?🤬🤬
Also stays: Don't call yourself stay if you support woojin😤
Yepp
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dude I hate when they do that, I'm a stay that supports woojin and it's hard to choose.
@@ruoqifang you don't have to chose 😭
@@flaviebearchat5313 ik I wish I didn't have to choose but I hate how I can't be public about it without receiving hate
Why are people so obsessed with BH being part of the big3? Who are we to decide whether or not BH will be part of the big3 when we don't know about the Korean market? It's up to the Koreans to decide whether BH deserves a spot in the big3. I've seen public interviews and people some Koreans call them the big4.
It's a pet peeve of mine whenever koreaboos decide whether BH is a part of the big3
BH is not a part of big3 , u have to prove your consistency in the industry TB in the big3
I'm pretty sure that BigHit will become a part of it one day
@@Lifewithkoat Tbh I agree
@@Lifewithkoat No it isn't. Bh is big amd have influence but big3 have been in the industry for a longer time and have political power. The power itself is bigger than money this is the reason there's still a long way before bh becomes that powerful in the industry.
As someone who has been in love with kpop since first gen, I agree with most of these opinions, but there are two things that I think are important to point out are:
1) In regards to Hwasa breaking stereotypes, she is breaking expectations Koreans have for OTHER KOREANS. Sure they might watch nekkid Americans/westerners all the time, but that is considered okay because they're of a different culture. Korean culture is still predominantly conservative and has a very strong group mentality that creates a lot of social pressure to conform to certain characteristics and stereotypes, and it's taken people like Hwasa (and all the other "rulebreakers" who came before her, including Lee hyori, CL, etc) to slowly open the public mindset about how women, especially, should act and dress. Despite this, showing showing cleavage still means you're a slut in Korea, whereas showing your entire leg is totally fine lol.
2) In regards to BTS, sure they might not have made "success" more accessible for others, but I think they have unarguably changed the mindset that Asian's are not marketable, or desirable in the Western entertainment sphere. As you said, marketing, moreso than talent, is king in entertainment, and there is a very distinct reason why, to this day, the only successful Asian figures in the Western entertainment business are mainly comedic or martial arts actors despite there being a plethora of talented Asian actors and singers. Male kpop groups as a whole generally challenge the Western ideal of what it is to be manly, and the wild success of BTS has shown that the negative stereotypes typically assigned to Asian men, including femininity, can be incredibly desireable. Given this, and the fact that so many previous kpop groups and soloists have failed to do this previously, I do think they've paved a way for more Asians to enter the entertainment space and actually be accepted, if not welcomed.
Love your videos and am really glad to have discovered them!
Right!
Every group has helped paved the way. Like with Hwasa she's paving the way for other female artists. I agree that they made have changed the mindset of western entertainment industry about asians. However, when people say 'bts paved the way' i still want to slap them... Because every group paves a way, or 'helps' pave a way. BTS wouldn't be bts if it was for groups like bigbang and girls generation. So it sucks that people aren't giving more credit to other groups just because all they know is BTS and their success.
@@TheNightxSky Yeah I definitely agree but that's a never-ending rabbit hole since you could argue that whoever created music eons ago paved the way. Certain groups definitely leave a bigger mark and you have to give credit where it is due. Even when BigBang and GG hit it HUGE a couple kpop generations back (not to mention all the big names that came before them like seotaji, JYP, HOT, GOD, SES, etc), they were all anyone talked about and articles about they were "paving the way" were all over the place. Whoever is the most popular group at a certain point in time obtains that status because they're doing something different/paving the way in a particularly noticeable way. BTS is simply at the pinnacle of that for this current wave of kpop since it's been near impossible to have sustained Western success as an Asian musician (even as an Asian American). It's absolutely guaranteed that in another 10-20 years, some other group will be "paving the way."
@@SueYisoSueet Oh I agree, it is a never-ending rabbit hole. I just don't like when people (specifically non-kpop fans and armys) act like BTS is the only one that has ever done anything for the genre. Then Armys tend to use it was a way to belittle other groups and other fandoms by being like 'but bts paved the way' and I hate it. I'm not denying that BTS hasn't made huge waves, and that's great. I'm just tired of people using it to overhype them and then to belittle other artists and more importantly other people's opinions (if they don't like a song or the group in general).
As a second gen Kpop fan, completely agree.
*“I realized they were human too.”*
Do you know how awful that sounds? You don’t see them as human until they’ve shown that they have suffered through something? That’s just disgusting that people actually disregard other people’s humanity simply because of the difference of occupation and image.
I'm definitely not defending the OP but I do think most people do disregard that other people are human too
Like don't lie most people just ignore the homeless people that is begging for money in the street and most people forget that they are human too that is in need of help and compassion but since we are selfish beings we just tend to ignore them most of the time
@@lunamiku4166 Yeppp! In the end of the day we will always pick our own comfort and happiness in the expense of someone else that’s part of human nature
I love how she isn't afraid to voice her opinion even if she would be cancelled for it. Also this is an hour long... time to get some popcorn ig.
My responce to you opinions:
1. I couldn't agree more some idols don't even care about being "woke" as long as you belive they're "woke"
2. Exactly! Take a group like E'last for example, they are so talented and their choreos are magnificent but the marketing isn't really there so they aren't even close to being popular.
3. You kinda said what i thought about so I don't have anything to say.
4.True idols could be doing some really nasty stuff (as well as companys) but we would never know.
5.When people say "cahrting doesn't matter" I just want to slap them in the face bc if you want your favs to not disband charting does matter.
6 & 7 I completely agree and have othing to say on it.
8.Even tho BH has BTS who are supper popular an TXT who are semi-popular it's nothing compared to what the actual big3 has done in th past few decades.
9. Don't have anything to say you are completely correct.
10. How can your favs go to militay and you not expect them to change? It's not like they're robots with set personalities.
11-19. Again I completely agree and have nothing to say.
20. I agree they paved the way for kpop in general to be more popular but each and every group has to pave their own way. i also don't think anybody any time soon is going t be able to pass BTS's success or even get close to it.
21. I kinda agree even though ITZY are one of my ult ggs i feel like if their concept wasn't selfconfidence/self love they wouldn't be as popular. Most of their bsides are kinda like "fillers"? and if they weren't from big3 you're right they wouldn't be as popular.
And the stage presence is mediocer.
22. This isn't related but I think their survival show should've ben called 18 bc 18 divided by 2 is 9 so 9 + 9 (twice) it would more sense idk.
23. I don't have anything to say bc I don't know much about the bs scandal.
24 & 25 I agree
26. I'm not really into Somi that much but stream wywf ig.
27. I agree. She legit makes/helps make those songs so it's her choice what happenes with the lines and people need to stop whining about it.
28-30 Again I agree and have nothing to say.
Edit: I made so many typos wtf- my English is getting so bad
You 22, I-😂😂😂😂
Yesssssd an elring up in here. I think they do have the whole package but I do think their marketing seems so do the bare minimum ( Doing covers and vlogs) but I think if they want to grow they really need to step out with marketing.
Number 22 had me dead 😂💀
Itzy are one of my favorite girlgroups and yes I sometimes get off with their performances because of some of the mediocre dance breaks and gymnastics stunts they have in their choreography like they didn't really had to put all of that
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I ve become ur subscriber bcuz u was touching real topics and talked not with just opinion but with facts ! And with just this video I don't believe in ur opinion anymore bcuz reality talk for itself and those who don't see it just a blinde or want to be misinformed! Idk about other topics u talked about cuz I am not in to much groups but about bts u wasn't the only channel who touched this them , some wasn't agreed ofc cuz of "its my opinion " thing but real facts can speak by itself! I won't argue or try to proof anything if u realy belive that they did not pave the way then all those celebrities and even kpop society are just stupid ppl who belive so ! Its ur opinion but most of ppl who agreed with it just biased with their favs who found the place in this video to for once more cry about it !the only thing I agreedis they are overshadow others but its not their fault as u admit it aswell ! Ty and no need to try to change my opinion I am grown enough to see the truth everywhere !
@@jess6430 no need to call her a bitch, damn. The video is called "BRUTALLY OFFENSIVE opinions" for a reason.
Idk I mean when BTS announced their chapter 2 the stock prices of Hybe but ALSO SM, YG, and JYP all fell substantially. That’s kind of a lot of influence. Money’s not everything but it does matter.
Line distribution is important. Unless you are Shinee :D then the problem will never even arise.
I agree with most of these opinions, except for maybe the military one. Serving in the US military/being a full time soldier is very different from serving in the military of a country where it's compulsory. Also, the government makes sure Idols are treated very well in the Korean military, so they don't go through what a regular soldier would.
Yeah I think I read that how much work you do depends on which sector they are put in and idols (mostly popular ones) usually get the easier ones
I wouldn't agree as some popular idols go into harder sectors and become very high in the military which can break someone as you have more and more stress in a sense. Like serving your military services (2 years) vs become a career soldier
I wondered about this as well during the video thinking we can’t compare everything to the USA, lol
While military issues happen around the world, it is incredibly bad in Korea. INCREDIBLY bad. It does depend on the sector for sure tho
Bad things happen in all militaries all over the world. Idols are just more likely to keep quiet. Taemin recently said he was being s*xually harassed and had to be transferred to a different sector
I'm 16 and I got into kpop when i was 13. Till this day I've never understood how people could think that X idol is going to be their girl/boyriend and that they're going to get married. How are you dating someone you've never talked to whether in person or online? The delusions is really fierce and people need to stop bringing age into the equation. Being young isn't an excuse
About BTS paving the way, you mentioned how “it’s making it harder for other groups to be considered successful” while at the same time admitting that they made K-Pop more popular. Isn’t that also paving the way by your definition and the overall definition? They made it easier for other K-pop groups to be *known* worldwide. Of course it’s harder for them to be considered successful now because of the “BTS standard” (whatever that means, and I say this as an ARMY), but like you mentioned, there’s no denying BTS made K-Pop more popular internationally. I definitely think groups pave their own success, and I hate when ARMY diminishes the efforts of another group and says it’s all because of BTS. In some ways, they did pave the way, in others, they didn’t.
Agreed.
bts' made it look sm easier tbh
Yeah, South Korea is definitely not a woke nation. Like, there’s little to no diversity in that country, so how the hell are k-pop idols gonna be ‘woke’ if they’ve never even been exposed to/been around anyone other than koreans? (minus the foreign members in their group, but still… that barely counts😓). I don’t think koreans (or any other country with little diversity) ever bother to learn about different races and cultures bc they simply don’t feel the need to. (since once again, they’re mostly only gonna be around koreans their entire life)
well said
Bts did ptw without them they wouldn't be a category for kpop in the vmas
Of course BTS has made it harder for everyone to be the next big thing, because they have reached the top and now everyone's success is measured RELATIVE to theirs. What you're talking about is not paving the way but setting the standard, or setting the bar for success. Just because the environment to succeed has become harsher, more competitive, and more challenging, that doesn't mean people didn't benefit from them in sheer numbers.
Look at all the big names of the hallyu way. The massive success of Korean historical dramas, mainly Dae Jang-Geum, made people interested in Korean history and traditions. The massive success of a Korean meme song, Gangnam Style put Kpop on the radar of international listeners (yes we had international Kpop fans before, but most of them were Japan's fans who got to know Kpop through the likes of BoA and Kpop groups like TVXQ and SNSD promoting in Japan). And then there's BTS (and other big names too, I'm not saying it's all their work only), and I don't think I have to explain their impact on Korea's entertainment industry, Korea's tourism, Korea's GDP, people talking about Korea outside of Samsung, LG and Hyundai related topics... Not just that, but if I had a dollar for each person I've heard say "Yeah I started out as an Army but then I discovered / moved on to other groups" I'd have a fortune. The truth is, thanks to big names of the hallyu wave, the AMOUNT of people interested in South Korea blew up, and more people means more customers, more views, more $$$. I understand that you might also need to invest more to stay in competition in this new environment. But investing 70$ to earn 100$ and have 30$ profit is still less then investing 900$ to earn 1000$ and having a 100$ profit. You get what I mean?
As for the entrepreneur example, to make this analogy parallel with what I've been trying to tell you: People getting jobs due to a talented entrepreneur, coming out of poverty and becoming potentially relatively successful entrepreneurs, is the same as benefitting from BTS in terms of numbers, so in that sense they paved the way, but that entrepreneur SET THE BAR high for someone to have the same or even bigger impact on the community as he had, or in your words, the same success.
In the end, you could say we're just arguing over words and what they mean, and in that sense, I have to say, the whole arguement around whether BTS paved or not is stupid, because all this does is make people take sides and completely discredit the other.
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dang who read all of that be honest
@@sunnyysideeupp Not me but I definitely agree with the last line. Like c'mon, kpop isn't that deep at all. What we should be focused on more is enjoying the music and respect other people's tastes.
Well said
Yesss, and even the president of Korea himself recognized their impact, so I don't know why there are people having a hard time acknowledging it.
Finally, someone mentions these "reactions". They are not gonna say they dont like the song because the fandom would probably get them cancelled
So true. There's been maybe 2 times I've seen a reaction where they said they weren't feeling the song or expressed disappointment for one. And it's usually smaller groups with more chill fandoms. Other than that, they pretend they like EVERY SONG IN EXISTENCE
@@LovelyKissess Yeah, that's why I like one reactor who is always honest. He reacts to k-pop in general and is not afraid of any fans (but he is not that big though). Most of the time I disagree with his opinion (we have different tastes) but I really respect him for being honest. (Not gonna recommend him though because he doesn't make his videos in English). My point is that yeah, unfortunately such people are very rare, most reactors are fake af.
You: kpop is made to make you obsessed
Me: ... well damn it worked 😶
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I really love your last opinion, because in a way you are right. I mean, right now Chinese government is starting to relax regulations around kpop distribution in the country because of the popularity of this genre in the country. Yes, they have their own music industry, but young people in mainland china like Kpop and wish it was in the country. So yeah, kpop becoming a phenomenon is also helping between the relations of SK and China, so you are right in that sometimes to change things between countries war is not really necessary, sometimes countries can be more subtle.
Me : I love JYPE
EverGlow-Up : JYPE is shit
Me : okay the queen has spoken
Every company has its own flaws and dramas, but JYPE is the least one. It’s been a trend lately to hate on him.
@@nathanscott5921 that's what I also thought tbh. I always loved JYPE and I know some sh*t happened with GOT7 but blame the whole company... Meh
i love jype bc of its artists
@@flaviebearchat5313 Believe me the whole (atleast most of them) igot7 fandom hates the whole company to the core not only the person himself. 😂
@@aditidixit9211 yeah but from what I saw it's because JYP refused their song ? Which I don't think is wrong, it's his role
lmao the first thing you said is so true , alot of Korean women talk about how alot of Korean men are misogynistic and toxic , your fav's might be a misogynist 😳
I mean there could be female idols that are misandrist or hate women too it goes both ways. And we can’t just assume all men are misogynistic either
@@brennathecatlover4360 no-one's saying that jesus christ. it is more common for men to be sexist than women since we live in a patriarchy. there are systems in place to discredit and discriminate women. sk is undoubtedly very conservative in law and in society. there is a possibility (based off the UN stats that sk has one of, if not, the highest gender pay gap of OECDs & evidence of male idols outright bodyshaming and invading female idols' privacy) that sum of these male idols are sexist or misogynistic idc
I agree with the twice having filler memebers. alot of kpop companies were obsessed with emulating snsd success and thought the best way to do it is to have a 9 member group. so with jyp, he just debuted any girl group if they fit the 9 member cap regardless if they have skills or not.
I think it's not really about "filler members " though, I believe every Twice member has an important role. You get 3 skilled vocalists, a great dancer, a good rapper, dahyun is perfect for TV shows... The Japanese girls played a big role in Twice massive success in Japan, Tzuyu isn't only a stunning visual but also attracts the Chinese audience...
An idol group isn't only about singing /rapping /dancing ability, it's about charisma /stage presence /marketing ability...
@@cyrielle_ Agreee
@@cyrielle_ you are right. They are more of a performers than artists. Like their visuals marketing and everything. Sometimes kpop genre feels manufactured than art. I am just more comfortable with grps like gidle, purple kiss, dreamcatcher, everglow
Twice is amazing and my ult next to dreamcatcher but i do agree that twice's earlier days seem like a group of performers and money makers basically and not artists. Compared to idle for example (using them coz i stan them) who since debut wrote their songs and produced, twice seemed more like jyp writing songs and hving cute girls perform them to attract an audience. But then recent twice seem more like themselves, j love how theyre starting to help write and compose their songs and are now growing and becoming artists more than cute girls who perform songs made by an older man.
@@cyrielle_ agree. if you only look at TWICE at the surface, you'd think of them as filled with filler members. But, deep diving into them, they do have specific roles especially during promotions (which is extremely important). Majority of ONCEs came in because of Dahyun from variety shows and Tzuyu's virality. The Japanese members are all good dancers, Sana is an underrated vocalist. The rest of them are talented lyricist.
Please, many didn’t even know where Korea was until BTS. K-pop may have been great in HALF of the world and trust me kpop was niche at best in the states. Now K-pop is known round the world. Thank you BTS. Seo Taiji who? Seriously. Now we know his contribution. Exo who? The ones BTS spanked. Epic high? The ones RM listened to. Big bang? Jail birds, You get the picture. Those…are hard pills, but they exist. Facts don’t care about feelings. So create a road that goes in circles. Big deal. To straighten and pave the road…now that’s something. Thank you BTS. Just take a deep breath…and exhale as you say..Thank you BTS. You will feel better. Oh….and THE fandom..never called the blue house, never called for mama cancellation, THAT fandom once quiet and wanted NOTHING more but to enjoy their faves…got tired. REAL tired, and simply held up a mirror and gave it back. Abusers don’t like ppl standing up to them. And K-pop doesn’t. K Stan’s created THAT fandoms response. Own it. BigHit is spanking the three…look at the stock market, for bzness that have been around for “decades” they are doing a shitty Job. I’m not an army brat, I’m a 12 yr Vet. Not everyone changes. Shut up and sit down. Your so plastic.
@@Mal.victoryoh yes you just proved yourself you're stupid lol your girlies literally debuted in YG ent and even YG himself said that BTS PAVED THE WAY and your faves literally debuted with a silver spoon stfu thanks yg for that and D4 right?D4 came in 2018.
Meanwhile bts before 2018 :-
BTS announced to be attending the BBMA’s, the first ever for a K-pop boy band to do so!The group wins the top social artist awards at the 2017 BBMAs!! They are the first ever Korean group to receive an honour at Billboard! It was also the first time a K-pop group attended a stateside award show
- BTS make K-pop history by being the first Korean act to break into the top 10 of the Billboard 200, spurring fans on to get it higher.
- as in 2017 the seven-member act peaked at 7JJ Ryan discussed on Twitter ‘Billboard Chart Beat Podcast’ being the only radio station in the U.S. to play BTS’s star track; DNA. BTS’ songs gained radio play increasingly in the country this year due the the efforts of all ARMYs
- DNA peaked at No.67 on the Hot 100!
- The previous week when the song debuted, it reached 85UNICEF and BTS launches ‘Love Myself’ fundraising campaign, which has already raised a significant amount of money
- BTS confirmed their AMA’s performance, their first American award show performance!
BTS make their U.S. daytime television debut on The Ellen Show (only 2 days after making their debut U.S. TV performanceMic drop Remix debuted at No.28 on the ‘Hot 100’Crystal Snow became the first song by a non-Japanese artist to reach over 300,000 points on Japan’s ‘Oricon Weekly’ single chartBTS got to No. 10 of the Billboard Year-End Artist of the Year chartBTS’
- Wings recognized as the top-selling Korean physical album of the fourth quarter of 2016 at Gaon Chart K-pop Awards.
- Their single "DNA" has been dominating multiple charts and the music video became the fastest K-Pop group music video to reach 100-million views
- Guinness World Records announced on social media that BTS had broken the record for receiving the most Twitter engagements.The "MIC Drop" Remix's music video was released at the same time as the track, and it broke the CZcams record for being the most liked music video in 24 hours.
- Melon Music Awards, BTS won Best Song of the Year, Best Music Video Award, and the Global Artist Award. The Global Artist Award was brought back especially for BTS as they have become global sensations, dominating worldwide. BTS' successful Korean tracks, and also new tracks such as "Crystal Snow", "Let Go" and "Don't Leave Me", with crisp vocals and beautifully delivered rap verses.
- The album went platinum in Japan and also debuted on charts around the world.
- On the Billboard Year-End Social Chart, BTS is the only K-Pop group to enter, ranking at #34.
- First and currently the only K-Pop artist to receive an emoji on Twitter.
Most CZcams views for a K-Pop boy group in first 24 hours for Blood, Sweat & Tears with 6.347M viewsFastest K-Pop boy group video to reach 10M views in 40 hours for Blood, Sweat & Tears.
Recieved an All-Kill on the Korean Charts with WINGS.Highest charting K-Pop album in the US iTunes, charting at #1 with WINGS.Most first day album sales for WINGS with 141,600 sales in Korea (according to Hanteo Charts).
- Highest charting K-Pop song in the US iTunes, charting at #29 with Blood, Sweat & Tears.
- Most first week album sales for WINGS with 347,248 sales in Korea (according to Hanteo Charts).
- Highest ranked K-pop group video in the CZcams Daily Views, at #1Highest ranked K-Pop artist on the Canadian Billboard Album Charts with WINGS, ranking at #19.
-Highest ranked K-Pop artist on the Canadian Billboard Album Charts with WINGS, ranking at #19.
NOTE: BTS is the first and currently the only Korean artist to enter the Canadian charts.
Highest ranked K-Pop artist on the US Billboard 200 with WINGS at #26.
Best first week album sales for K-Pop artist in the US with 16,000 sales with WINGS.
First and currently the only K-Pop artist to have three albums on the US 200 Charts.BTS is the first and currently the only artist to receive this Daesang who are not from the 'Big 3'.
Want more ?btw no one in kpop didn't even surpassed 2017 bts yet💆♀️
The one where you said "Hwasa isn't the queen of breaking stereotypes", i strongly disagree with. Yes, people in sk like in a lot of other conservative asian countries might consume american music and media and even worship the usa as a whole but even then Hwasa wearing shorts and thigh-highs was so shocking because she wasn't american. She wasn't the white woman in american mvs walking around in bikinis, she didn't have the upbringing of someone born in the west. It was so shocking simply because she was from sk. Its the same in India, white people in music videos walking around topless is okay until someone who is actually indian and isn't a celebrity does it.
I agree that artists who take part in the production of their music/art deserve more respect and recognition. In regards to this, I hope more people appreciate SEVENTEEN as a self producing group.
SEVENTEEN has always had the SELF-PRODUCING title ever since they were rookies. WOOZI - svt's vocal leader, is also seventeen's main producer, composer and lyricist. He always had a hand in 99% of all Seventeen's discography since debut (he had also written songs for other idols).Woozi has always been Seventeen's rock and they will never be what they are today if not for him. Also, all the other members had also helped in lyrics composition (most especially hiphop unit) and composition.
Moreover, SVT's performance unit(mostly HOSHI), also helps in making their choreographies. Because of this, their "vision" and ideas are always reflected during performances thru dance moves, props and body language (sign language)
Special mentions:
*Seventeen's Wonwoo and Mingyu made two special videos in which they themselves videographed, edited, directed and produced.
*Mingyu had also made a svt magazine and designed some merch.
Of course there are a lot of people who had (and continually) helped them in their craft like Bumzu, Primsfilter, their dance teachers and choreography team and others whom Seventeen always expressed they thanks to.
Whooo💨.To emphasize my point, again, I hope people respect and recognize Seventeen for what they are.... a SELF-PRODUCING GROUP. It is acknowledged by the Kpop industry and I (personally) believe that SVT are the one that made 'self-producing' a bigger deal and asset in kpop
Btw, I don't mean to throw shade to anyone. And I certainly don't mean to discredit other self-producing idols. Thanks for reading my long ass comment. Have a good day!
On the BTS paved the way part, they did spread the culture and exposed kpop even more too. A lot of ppl get into kpop through BTS even without stanning them. A lot of locals know kpop bc of BTS. I think that's why they paved the way if you catch what im trying to say? And plus I'm not gonna argue with the SK president that said they did pave the way
yes! ngl i agree with you and with what was said in the vid, meaning it goes both ways
yeh i agree with some of your points, but 'paved the way' implicitly means that they've made it easier for idols to break into various markets, reach milestones etc. although ppl are more aware of kpop, that hasn't stopped locals from comparing, insulting and being downright racist to idols who are trying to break into the western & global markets. you can't deny that bts has helped kpop be more visible to locals, but you also can't deny the negative impact its had on other kpop groups/soloists trying to make it big like nct, monsta x, ateez, twice etc. personally, I believe that based on the def. of paving the way, almost no-one has done that like bigbang, psy and girls generation.
@@ak71717 THANK YOU. you get it omg.
@@ak71717 bts being the golden example is not something anyone can control. Even PSY was attacked with some of the most racist shit you've likely never seen because it was deleted off the internet. BigBang and SNSD were also part of a more novel time. BTS made kpop BELONG, not just be made aware of. That's why they paved the way. Whether other groups can share their heights is up to them, but no one else had done what they did.
@@80s_graffiti reaching new heights that no one has doesn't mean paving the way. it means allowing for future generations and ppl from ur community to achieve similar or even greater success than you have. that visibility that bts has in the west has not moved to any other groups apart from showing the evils of the industry.
We were doing so well until you talked about Hwasa- don't get me wrong, I don't think she's THE QUEEN of breaking stereotypes, but it must be so easy as an American to sit there and assume that doing what is perceived as "typically American things" is easy for women in Korea. The amount of backlash Hwasa has received for being herself is immense. She may be doing something that's unremarkable in America, but it's extremely significant in Korea because the culture is different. What she's doing is questioning a lot of norms and expectations in a terribly misogynistic, colorist society- the context makes all the difference and the way you just dismissed that was disrespectful and untrue. A Korean doing that is that much more scandalous to a Korean audience. And she doesn't just dress a certain way- that's again reducing what she is to her appearance. She writes, produces, and has a personality that's rare to see among female kpop idols because the cost of publicly displaying that personality is too great. So yeah, she has balls. She's broken a heck lot of stereotypes. Like many other women before her, and in her time as well. Don't dismiss the struggles and wins of female celebrities in another culture because they seem normal in yours.
For real not to mention the people that agree with everything she said doesn't seem to be able to handle good counter arguments trying discuss their opinions considering the guidelines for commenting
Thank you for explaining that. They don't understand that the fandom can make the group or idol look bad
but do y’all realize that the discussion of who paved the way for kpop wouldn’t even be talked about if it wasn’t for bts? none of you even gave it a second though nor did this topic even exist until
korean citizens came up with it and started using it for bts specifically. it’s crazy how y’all have been arguing about this topic for years but in the end, it will always start and end with bts because the truth is that they are the ones who paved the way for kpop. i think a lot of you are confused on what the phrase ‘paved the way’ means. it’s not about who came first or who started kpop, it’s about who made it possible for your faves to get the opportunities that they could only dream of. bts are the reason why other groups are getting invited to american shows, they’re the reason why other groups can now get nominated on new kpop categories on award shows like the VMA’s and PCA’s, they’re the reason why your faves albums are being sold at Target and Amazon, they are the reason why kpop is so recognized and popular today, etc. every time we witness bts achieving something, a few months to a year later you’ll see other kpop groups following in their footsteps trying to seek for the same thing. that’s what paving the way means. y’all can say whatever y’all want but at the end of the day, your opinions really don’t matter in the slightest because impact doesn’t lie. if your faves can acknowledge it and give credit where credit is due, then so can y’all.
girl you spoke nothing but facts! like we wouldn’t even be talking about this right now if it weren’t for bts lmao 😭. i will never understand why so many kpop stan’s have an issue with just accepting the truth. older generation kpop idols, newer generation kpop idols, korean ntzens, korean government officials, even their previous president have all said and acknowledged what bts has done for them but then you’ll have some rando with a name like sarah that’s from mississippi trying to say otherwise smh. kpop stan’s have gotten way too brave with trying to speak over korean people who are actually involved within the industry and it needs to end asap.
It's because hater armies use it to bully other groups, simple as that. They bring it up so that they can get an ego boost becuase their Idols are being praised.
@@not_in_the_mood many groups don't like to accept it because many army's actively tear their smaller groups down. Imagine a bulky cominhbuo to u and demanding you appreciate their efforts to bully you. Exactly clearly u r unaware of those who use this term to demean smaller group, which is what most haters are (bigger groups).
@@via45 i wasnt talking about the groups i’m talking about the fans. many k-pop groups accept and acknowledge the fact that kpop would not be where it’s at today if it weren’t for bts, it’s the bitter stan’s that always deny it. and no it’s not because armys “bully” other groups (saying that is a stretch anyway since armys don’t even talk about other groups unless their stans give us a reason to). but petty fanwars shouldn’t be an excuse for y’all to discredit all the hardwork that bts has done just so YOUR favs can have more opportunities in expanding their careers. so i think it’s you that’s unaware that the reason the majority of kpop stans don’t like that specific phrase isn’t because armys called their favs flops, it’s because most of them have unnecessary hate boners for bts and they’re jealous that the people they stan don’t get to have that title. simple as that.
Nothing but facts 👏✨
In my opinion, the American music industry treats non-American acts like "there's limited space" in the market. Only a certain amount will be allowed to "sit at the table". I've noticed this with the "Latin Explosion," which occurred in the mid-90s.
I totally agree with you, and that's why they wouldn't allow lots of artists from the same country to enter their space.
Bts not paving the way is like saying the earth is flat. Few groups wouldnt have existed and even they existed and produced the same songs they released, it wouldn't be as popular istg
I know it made harder for them and i know that's cap. If a group gets 100M now then it would be 10M or less if BTS didnt exist. There were spikes in other kpop music videos when bts became popular. BTS introduced people to kpop indirectly
@@siddharth9027 the 100mill and 10mill comparison was over exaggerated
@@cosmo_rex it was an example. and exaple's values can be anything, but their rate will be the same. and if a group had 10M without bts in a parallel universe, they would have 100M with bts in this universe. its not exaggeration, its facts
Exactly! “Paved the way” implies that more groups are breaking into the international market because of BTS. There are three Korean music acts that are internationally known: BTS, Psy and Blackpink. Psy became popular waaay before BTS broke into the international seen and Blackpink paved their own way. BTS has made their own success and now any other KPop group is going to be compared to them. Look at TXT. They were on an interview with some dumb news show and the first thing the host asked was “Are they the next BTS?” Same with girl groups and Blackpink. They aren’t opening up the floodgates for other acts. They definitely brought more attention to KPop as a whole genre. However, KPop is still considered to be a novelty. Locals still don’t respect KPop. And finally, look at Latin Pop. You could say that Luis Fonsi “paved the way” for that genre after his big hits “Despacito” with Justin Bieber and “Échame La Culpa” by Demi Lovato. But after 2017/2018, you almost never here any Latin Music in mainstream Western radio stations and streaming services. BTS and Blackpink are successful. But what happens when their momentum declines? I don’t see other KPop groups taking that place because the world will move onto the next “in thing”. Yes, both groups have broken barriers and helped to popularize KPop far beyond where it would be now without them. However, it hasn’t become a main staple in the world and I don’t see a lot of groups following them up and demonstrating even remotely similar levels of success. So yeah, I hate the phrase “BTS paved the way”. I love BTS, they’re amazingly talented and have awesome music! And Blackpink is the revolution! But neither group is currently opening doors for the entire genre of KPop as opposed to just for themselves.
Exactly! 💯
CZcams PAVED THE WAY!!! 😂
I love how you explained it.
u have to wait for next generation for kpop to be held important in music industry. cause nothing means nothing others than English songs are given respect especially in their industry
Bro, I can see where it is coming from since you're including bp in this.bp didn't pushed kpop to the world.they are popular and thats it.if bts weren't they're do you think other groups would have gotten this huge hype??do you??
Bts paved the way is the actual detonation of being logical.not everyone is I jealous stan like you.
Now you forgot those achievements bts did as a first kpop group??and now and in the future you'll see other group doing it so that ain't paving a way??
Idk what's so hard to swallow the truth or bts's success.
See this is what a lot of people don't understand, Soyeon takes into consideration the lyrics of their songs based on how easily the other non-korean members could pronounce the lyrics. How is that selfish? She literally patterns the lyrics for her team. And it is a fact that ShuHua requested to have less lines because of how she was criticized for her pronunciation. However, if you look at the songs really, the lyrics are pretty spread out based on the vocal strength of the members.
im a full time army but i agree 100% w/ the "bts didnt pave the way". they for sure made kpop more famous internationally and in the us, but literally no other kpop group is able to surpass bts success, they will always be winning awards and breaking records so it doesnt make sense when i hear people say "bts made it easier for others" when they actually made it harder.
They really did make it harder. I never thought about that. But other groups can pass them up successfully if army's weren't so obsessed with breaking records. I get why they're doing it, but if they were opening their ears to music and not just "let's keep the popular group on top" and were more into listening to, streaming and supporting good music, then other groups will have a chance
@@LovelyKissess im sorry but your comment is coming off as a little toxic. its as if ur saying "armys need to chill out w/ streaming so other groups can shine" or "bts should go on a hiatus so other groups can have a chance". i know you didnt say that but ur comment was kinda immature. bts will always be on top out of all kpop groups, and i dont think any kpop group can ever pass bts bc they DO have the biggest and most strongest fandom in the world. all kpop stans listen to most groups in kpop but some groups just dont have that popularity and big fanbase to pass bts. it sounded kinda weird hearing you say "other groups can pass bts successfully" um thats kinda embarrassing for you sorry. other groups DO have a chance but saying a group can pass bts is seriously dumb. armys arent "obsessed" w/ breaking records they just wanna make bts proud and not let them down. yoongi said he wanted #1, so armys worked hard and gave them #1 [on billboard]. I just think that bts worked so hard to get where they are today and they DESERVE to be on top and they deserve to be #1 on billboard and they deserve to break records. so bestie saying that a group can "sUCcEssfUlLy" pass bts is embarrazzing. sorry :(
@@sidrasobair4367 My comment said nothing of the sort so how can you call my comment childish based off your own assumptions? That's not how that works
And no, all kpop stans do not listen to all groups. They don't even listen to half. Most stans are obsessed and stuck on one or two groups. There's so many groups that they won't even bat an eye for Because the groups aren't popular. Look how much people love Straykids after God's menu. Their popularity shot up and now everyone is all of a sudden obsessed with them
Now with that said. My comment was saying that if people listen to music Because they LIKE it and not because they're OBSESSED with numbers and popularity, so many other groups could do just as well
Obsessing over beating other groups is not how you make someone proud. That is literally the mindset of a child. They are obsessed and you can deny that all you want, but it's true. That's why any other group that gets attention, make great songs or get any praise, army attack them because they don't want anyone else having a career.
The moment bts doesn't win something or isn't acknowledged as the best, armies attack. You really think bts would be proud of that? I think not
See it for what it is and not for what you all tell each other it is
bts paved the way, just take a look at the bbma nominations, before bts, no korean act would even think of getting a bbma award, but now, groups like blackpink, are getting nominated they might even win
that's exactly what paving the way is, before bts no kpop group dreamt of a grammy nomination but now groups have started to submit their names bcuz they know there might be a slight chance of winning or even bagging a nomination bcuz of bts
bts paved the way stream ptd
@Shelia Collins bts did not make it "harder" of anyone lmao, if anything, they made it easier
Bts has opened up opportunities. Whereas your reasoning is somewhat rational but theres no denying it. There's literally "kpop" categories in various american shows like bbmas,vmas, etc. While you say "they didnt make it easier, they made it sorta tougher" they made KPOP knows to the world.(on a large scale) thus enabling people to find out other groups as well. You cant possibly denh that. By your reasoning and definition, they may not have"paved the way" but they definitely had an impact huge enough to give opportunities to others. You cannot say that vmas, bbmas etc would've introduced kpop caregories if it wasnt for bts. And also the main reason fans bring it up so often is because unlike rational people like u who actually have some reasons they just hate to appreciate and constantly degrade their achievements
I love Somi. She’s hard-working. I hate how they try to bring her down.
ARMYS NEVER SAY THAT BTS PAVED THE WAY FOR OTHER PEOPLE SO THAT OTHERS CAN CHART ON BILLBOARD HOT 100 AND GET NOMINATED FOR GRAMMYS . But definitely people did start listening to other groups after BTS' achieving things ....yeah definitely people listened to kpop before bts but they got recognition after BTS' achievement and you all SHOULD get that in your head
When I opended this video, I expected the same 'unpopular opinions' I've heard 6789 times, but I needed something to play while eating my sandwich. Little did I know, I got put in my place, shown new horizons and kackled a couple of times. I immediately subscribed.
Even though in your definition BTS didn't pave the way, they did a lot for the kpop industrial. I listen to kpop since 2nd gen, and I didn't see any groups on Billboard charts until BTS. Now you see more kpop groups charting after BTS lead the way. I respect BTS so much because they not only produce and write their own songs, but they still manage to get their college degrees. They are still enrolling for their MBA; they are the most hard working people.
Fr she just sounds like bighit/ bts anti in some videos I’ve watched
She literally said in the video that bts made kpop more popular. But they didnt pave the way for any other group other than themselves
@@Cherrywinx Untrue. Other kpop groups would NOT be selling as many albums or charting if it weren't for BTS. You know how normal it is now for a kpop music video to hit 80-100M views in a few months, right? In 2nd Gen fans used to celebrate and brag when their faves music video used to hit just 10 or 20M views. That is a huge difference, and its sad how she doesn't acknowledge this point in the video. Moreover, many new fans only discover kpop THROUGH Bts because they are the only ones mainstream. Its not for nothing that idols like Skz look so happy and gratifying when they talk about how BTS paved the way.
@@nida5536 MF do you think that BTS are the only reason why k-pop groups are successful? Your opinion is toxic af and it shows that you're a delusional fan who thinks the world centers around BTS. BTS did not work for the big names we know now. They did it themselves and BTS is one of them. Not the reason.
@@emrisruby I AM BEING TOXIC?? Who is the one that's cursing a stranger on the internet for an issue as small as kpop? Kindly shut up if you lack the ability to argue with dignity.
I did NOT say that kpop groups are successful because of bts. There have been many successful groups like Bigbang, Shinee, SNSD and Wonder girls before them. But NONE of them were popular outside of Korea, Japan and China. If you think that KPOP was big before BTS, then you are the one being delusional. It was only well known in specific asian countries. Wonder girls and EXO promoted in the U.S music industry but couldn't make it. The big 3 of kpop tried their best to try entering their groups for mainstream success. The category for Kpop wasn't even there in one of the biggest music shows, the VMA, before BTS came. And like I said about the views, the views were far less as compared to the views on kpop music videos these days. Kpop groups and companies could only dream of getting in the billboard top 200 and 100, and these days groups are trying for nominations at the freakin GRAMMYS without even winning a major music award show. It is BECAUSE of Bts that so many people become kpop fans and explore different groups. A rookie group like lesserafim got their antifragile album in the top 200 BB. SKZ got their album maxident in the top 200 BB. These groups that only debuted a few years ago are NOT getting these charts ALL on their own. Remove BTS and their success from the kpop scene, and these groups would only be popular in some asian countries.
Some points are valid, but did strongly disagree on BTS making generic music, as you’ve point out art has different paths, why would you call something generic when their discography spans different genres with strong messages that everyone can relate too.
@@AiBkomachi they became very westernized and it’s sad :(, however they still make art example: Rm/namjoon new solo album.
Wait a dang minute! Can we talk about how well put together this video is? This girl seriously got all her reasons sorted out SO WELL and I don’t know even how to explain it but it’s amazing!
What paved the way for kpop was the internet, CZcams to be specific. Think about how different kpop would be if there was no CZcams. Think about how different BTS would be if there was no CZcams. BTS made kpop more widely known just like Bigbang, 2ne1 and SNSD before them, BUT, they all have one overarching thing in common and that is CZcams.
And Twitter
Idk if its true or not but
I have heard that kpop groups started coming on twt after 2017 when bts won bbmas
@@butnamjoongunshot2510 it's true
@@butnamjoongunshot2510 it's definitely not true. K-pop idols even had individual twitter accounts back before 2017.
51:24 Generally speaking, I feel like main dancers in K-Pop girl groups do not have the same opportunity as the boy groups in showcasing the full range of their dancing abilities. Like their movements are always bounded within girl crush, sexy, or cute vibes. I hope to see more performances like Loona's Cherry Bomb cover and Seulgi & Irene's Naughty. Or maybe I just haven't encountered enough girl groups to say so?
You should than check out Dreamcatcher, Gfriend, Purple Kiss and Girls Generation choreos.
Watch everglow choreography
I get so mad when people say they’ll support and stream and say things like “queens/kings lets hype them up” to disbanded groups who were screwed over by their company (2ne1 for example) but then when the members release music they flop and the people who say all that are nowhere to be found.
I pity you for saying that BTS didn't pave the way..... Even the rural people in my country knows kpop just because of BTS.... Lol.... Believe whatever makes you sleep better at night
Save your pity for someone who actually needs it ☺️
@@everglowup exactly u need it more coz neither monstax nor everglow representating their nation...one news of bts break causing this much havoc to korean economy that even ministry talking about reconsideration....BTS did pave the way for all..I hope u understand english ...coz i am pretty sure its comprehensive...
I feel like ppl don’t understand what BTS paved the way actually means its doesn’t mean BTS were the first kpop group to chart on billboard or even promote in America when Armies say BTS paved the way we mean it as BTS paved the way for kpop groups and asian artists in general to be taken seriously by western market they paved the way for groups to be signed to America labels and get properly promoted in America groups like Blackpink,NCT 127,Monsta X,TXT,Ateez,Twice,Stray Kids and the list goes on and on western kpop fans are the only ones who have an issue with ppl saying BTS paved the way even Koreans say this daily and every Korean agrees
But they aren't, coming from an nctzen. NCT 127 going to America was one of the experiences for the fandom. On the street when they were walking, people were making racist remarks and calling them BTS while laughing at them, and their fans had to correct these people. When they went on radio shows, no one actually respected them and just called them a BTS copy group. They even said their name was stupid and BTS was better. Then Knetizens protested their promotion and the superhuman album did bad since they were in America. While I'm not diminishing their accomplishments or what they sis, they definitely really didn't help these artists, especially boy groups. I mean they don't even do research that one of the members was born and raised in Chicago and speak English. That's just how I feel, but I think I agree with OP more, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.
@@ethanol4367 The same program KTLA did the same thing to other groups including BTS so whats your point they are sooo many good interviewers out there like Zach Sang ,Jojo Beats 1 radio and a lot of kpop groups get interviewed by them BTS,Blackpink,Loona,Monsta X,NCT 127,Stray Kids and the list goes on things take time getting used to when BTS just started to promote in America they were mostly asked dumb shallow questions like what is their fav color because a lot of the interviewers didn’t know that they wrote their own music they just thought they were a manufactured pop group but after Love Yourself Tear then they started asking them serious questions about writing and producing and they started to do the same thing with all other kpop groups the only difference is most of them don’t write their own music especially SM groups so when they go to do American interviews and get asked about how they make music they barely can answer but you can’t deny the fact that they opened the American Market to kpop more cause if the didn’t go to the BBMA in 2017 and win no one including a lot of western stans wouldn’t have known about kpop.
TBH i feel like kpop stans only get mad when Army say bts paved the way because there’s always an air of superiority and arrogance to it. They only bring up bts’ success to shit on other groups.
@@JordanWilliams-ix2td yea I agree. When my non-kpop friends think “kpop” they immediately say Dynamite (which btw I strongly dislike). Kpop to America is BTS and many don’t have the attention span to give other groups a shot. It really sucks sometimes lol
I'm sorry to tell you but kpop is still not token seriously anywhere internationally
I feel bad for So Mi. She was still really young and had no sad story and ppl kept calling her "arrogant" and "selfish".
But when she shares how shes been bullied they say that they now feel bad for her.
K-pop fans are OBSESSED with their idols being miserable. and its not ok. ppl should stop fr.
Kpop stans like to victimize their idols a lot.
You are clearly despising bts success. You said you didnt ask them them to pave the way for the artist. Neither they didn't work hard just to pave the way for others but to be successful themselves .kpop is clearly divided to era before bts beacme successful and era after bts became successful. Even if other idols just arent getting as famous as bts. Kpop got that big recognition after they attended their first western music award show in 2017. Psy gangnam style became popular and it was the only song he got attention from the whole world. Then he dissapeared. Wonder girls got charted in the bb hot 100 chart and there were no signs of them in that chart. But bts started charting in the bbhot 100 from dna. And through out the started gradually going higher and higher in the charts with their new songs. Only bts made progress in the western music industry while others just came and disappeared to thin air. And right after bts only kpop got popular and other artist are started to get nominating in the western music award shows and charts. Also the kpop category was created aftr bts got popular. This wasnt even a category before bts got fame. I say again you are clearly jealous of bts success cz your faves cant beat them. They get right into the spotlight nowadays but bts waited 2 years for a music win in a domestic show. They nearly disbanded. If bts havent got charted in the bb100 or didnt visit the ama or bbmas. Your faves only would be popular in asia. Even in asia they wouldnt be that popular. Starting from this year only a lot of kpop artists are ariving at a western music award show. And its vmas. Even blackpink the 2nd most popular group got awards only in vmas. Even if you cant agree on this you just hate bts.