The Winners and Losers of the 2021 NBA Draft | The Bill Simmons Podcast
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- The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Ryen Russillo and Kevin O’Connor to break down which teams had the best and worst selections coming out of draft night.
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KOC the real MVP of this draft.
No
No
Yes
Yes
KOC gotta shake his head sometimes when Bill and Ryan talk nonsense
He's thinking damn my bosses are a little leprechaun and a bald baby
@@apolloforabetterfuture4814 To be fair, Bill's hardly short at 6'1
@@Crazimir ain’t no way he’s 6’1! My mind is blown
Can y'all just let Kevin O Conner talk😂 He is the only one who doesn't say wild shit.
But that why I listen to Bill’s podcast whenever Ryan comes on.. entertaining nonsense
It's so cool that Ryen can do podcasts while incarcerated
KOC also looks to be in prison lmao
4...3...2... QUE THE RYEN RUSILLO LIVES IN A DUMP JOKES
@@oldman9924 I didn't know other people noticed that. It looks like he's in a suburban holding cell. Ryen s just a weird dude
@@hockeyfan1799 bill looks like he's in the wardens office
Usman Garuba & Alperen Sengun are going to be the next Domantas Sabonis & Myles Turner, offensive/defensive frontcourt pairing.
Shit, great comparison.
Both are smaller, and the shooting would be flipped, but a good idea.
Too bad the original pairing is so difficult to build around.
Jajajajajaj
LMFAOOOOOOO
Russillo doesn't really know what he's talking about w/ Kevin Porter Jr. Yeah, the Rox were a mess this year. That had almost nothing to do with KPJ. He was brought up from the GLeague way later in the season and was really good in his short time in the NBA, and while Jalen Green was ballin out, showcasing his talents on the Ignite team, KPJ was actually leading the league in scoring with 7 rebounds and 7.5 assists. He's shown he can run the offense, averaged >7 assists on the Rockets with a team around him that had no idea how to put the ball in the basket. He needs to cut down on his turnovers, but he is very much in line to run PG after they somehow move John Wall. He's not the only guy that is a roster lock, either. Jae'sean Tate is the best do-literally-everything role player that no one knows about because he's on Houston, and Kenyon Martin Jr. as a versatile rotation big that can score in multiple ways if needed but play elite defense 1-4 and swallow rebounds. Lastly, people just love to run with nonsense stories and run wild. Wood "is all about himself" ? Based on what? He's consistently only ever talked about how appreciative of Houston he is that they thought that highly of him after being tossed around by various teams. All the negative press he gets is really just a player that assumes a 'cornerstone' role of a rebuilding franchise and is frustrated by losing so much. AKA he's human. This does not = he's a drama queen and problem in the locker room. All those guys are tight.
You sound hurt.
@@JoseLopez-yx4et no, they sound like they actually watched rockets games unlike russillo
I'm not reading all that but I get the idea. Hope you know dudes put up numbers on tanking teams all the time. If you fall for those empty stats your a sucker. Heck we had like 3 of those guys on my Raptors thus year the last month of the year. But I know better. There's a reason they on the court when we're tanking.
@@R.B.90 Tanking teams? I was comparing stats in the Gleague. I was noting that people were impressed that Green was putting up 18 ppg against a lot of near-NBA level competition while KPJ was leading the GLeague in scoring @ 24 points with 7 reb and 8 assists when he was called up. I get it sometimes 2-3 paragraphs is too much for some people, but where you went off on tanking teams and empty stats and all that... idk.
Just worry about why your team took a "project" poor man's Boris Diaw without the offensive game and passed up on a future potential cornerstone PG days before you were gonna trade Lowry away.
@@AreolaGrande94 kpj threw soup at the assistant coach in Cleveland I don’t think russillo would say all that if he didn’t feel confident that there’s some glaring issues there u have to be a blind rockets fan to not see some bad signs
Great to rewatch
Biggest Winners:
1. Houston Rockets (Jalen Green, Alperen Sengun, Josh Christopher, Usman Garuba).
2. Charlotte Hornets (James Bouknight, JT Thor, Kai Jones, Scottie Lewis)
3. Orlando Magic (Jalen Suggs (steal) & Franz Wagner (versatile)
4. Warriors (Jonathan Kuminga & Moses Moody (both value steals)
5. Detroit Pistons (Cade Cunningham (no brainer), Luka Garza, Isaiah Livers, Balsa Koprivica
6. LA Clippers - Keon Johnson, Jason Preston
Absolutely, as a warriors fan I'm hyped with our steals. Kinda wish a trade could have gone down but two steals prolly worth it, also both have value in case of trade at later date especially kumingas potential.
@@hugojimcam136 Hornets fan here, I think it goes rockets, Warriors, then Charlotte. Moses and Kuminga are massive steals at those spots
Kevin Porter Jr is a huge piece of there future. KMart, Tate, and all those young guys. Rockets have a bright future 🤘🏾
Until he is caught driving around with an illegal loaded firearm again 😅
They can’t play and develop all those guys.
@@ErroneousMonk1 Gleague and on the actual squad. Give time to all the players to develop
@@paul19519 Okay, fine. Put everyone but Green in the G League. There just aren’t enough minutes to go around. So you’ll have the same team as last year that lost more games than anyone else, but with Green on the court with them.
@@ErroneousMonk1 whatever you say bro. Either way they have a bright future. I’ll choose to be positive 🚀
Keon Johnson is a guy who going to be much higher on a lot people’s list when we redraft this class
I'm just worried he'll struggle behind the depth of guard/wings on the Clippers.
@@rossjn9885 with Kawhi out this season, Ty Lue is gonna be able to experiment with our picks a bit hopefully. I have faith in the coaching and development team to be able to manage the time we’ll
Highly agree. Ty Lue has no problem playing youngsters. Should be no problem giving him space to develop. Look at T Mann going crazy in the playoffs.
Good luck with that. He seems talented, it can be hard to develop while trying to win. Spurs somehow did it 🤔
Very good potential from Keon, athletically nba elite
I think the Cavs are huge winners in the zoomed out sense, they have a such a talented roster at every position with Mobley now. He can play every possession with the ball in his hands and he has talented offensive players around him.
Right like the fact they got mobley means they might be able to keep sexland together their only issue is also keeping jarrett allen and everyone else cause theres gonna be a lotta people wanting money in that 5 of garland sexton okoro mobley and allen
Don't they have like a thousand bigs (kinda like Mavs) already ?, I mean I guess he's a good player high pick and all that but still
Can't help but feel that overabundance of bigs is an issue that one can hardly get out of in today's game
Still have no shooters.
@@VArsovski10 yh but Allen and Mobley are the only ones for the future.
@@VArsovski10 Mobley though isn’t a traditional big
Charlotte to me, is the winner of the draft....had potentially one of the best scorers fall to 11 in Bouknight, a lob threat and potential flood spacer at the 5 with Jones and in Thor, a young, long strong defender who can grow to be the best defender on a team
they also got plumlee who’s a solid big man
Mitch Magic
welp
My charlotte Hornets did good got a big win in this draft.
James Bouknight looked visibly pissed he had dropped in the draft and will have a HUGE chip on his shoulders to prove his value. Getting Kai Jones as well was icing on the cake.
All they had to do was not draft kispert to make me happy lol
Yessir
@@rossjn9885 don’t forget JT Thor, very lengthy and athletic with big shooting potential
It seems they are serious about winning now and for Kai Jones playing with lamelo was his best case scenario and bouknight being a 6th man to potential dynamic back court partner is great
Anyone listening to this before 2022 draft?
Before 2024 🫨
Rockets had a great draft but they are still going to struggle on defense for a few years. I do like a lot of players on the team though and they’re sneaky deep. Green, Sengun, Garuba, Porter, Wall, Wood, Tate, Martin, and Christopher. Just need to improve on defense and get a PG of the future.
KPJ is are PG of the future
@@nawfsideshoota9778 healthy Wall could avg 12 apg with all those shooters
As a Thunder fan I'm pissed at how great of a draft they had lol. I wanted both Sengun and Garuba and we could've had either
@@Flamerunner451 Yeah when I was watching live I was so confused why the Thunder didn’t just take Sengun. We’ll see how it turns out but I think Presti might have made a mistake. Hopefully for OKC it will go there way in the long run.
@@chas_post23 my only guess is that he sees him as another Kanter. But I don't really know what his plans are for C this season cause all we have is Derrick Favors at the moment lol
Charlotte did great
I don’t like bouknight as a prospect. His ceiling is very similar to colby white, only brings scoring and no elite sharpshooting
@@alextan7130 did you watch UConn ?? He can shoot but other teams threw defenders at him so he shot contested shots. He’s a baller. Jordan Clarkson low side, Lavine upside
@@alextan7130 I disagree
@@alextan7130 bad take, he’s the perfect running mate alongside Melo
@@TheSportsandFilmFellowship 6th man of the year low side? Nah that’s a great case scenario for bouknight
Please just let KOC talk, Ryen & Bill are outta their depth
Masai's going to prove everyone wrong
Again
@@KobaniacMinded They never learn
@@cxrlitosway he's underpaid imo he's really a genius I wish lakers would have hired him
Maybe , if it were most other gas that picked Barnes over Suggs when the roster probably needs a starting guard then I'd say it was a bad move, but Masai has such a good history I always assume he knows what he's doing now. But top 10 draft picks are extremely hard to predict there's a few top 10 busts every year, he could be wrong this time.
I was shocked by it, but maybe Ujiri and Webster saw something about Suggs no one else did ... rumour is Barne's workout was great and Suggs was underwhelming
Funniest part about this is Draymond literally told the owner to draft Kuminga and Moody before their pick even came up and they didn’t even think he’d fall to him.
Was waiting for this
russillo awkward af when others talkin
Hornets are winners . Getting bouknight & kai jones to add to that young core is crazy
As a Knicks fan I don't have no complaints from the draft they made a lot of calculated moves. They acquired assets and made three solid selections in the draft.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Jalen Rose claimed his momma (not daddy, his daddy was absent) invented the name Jalen…. Power move
I can’t believe every Jalen on earth is named after Jalen Rose
Right bro that shit is crazy
What on earth was up with Russillo for the first 2 mins of this video?!
Came here for this comment.
Waiting for his Uber eats
Looked like he set his alarm for 5 mins before the pod so was still trying to find a draft review page and his wife was asking if he wants a coffee or water
we need to find this dude Devin O'Connor
After what the raptors did, I think they got a future all-star true point forward without anyone realizing it. And in today's Nba, every championship team has had at least one. But their super rare because you can't teach a small forward or PF how to be a guard. Point centers are even more rare because that combination is hard to even happen naturally.
congratulate yourself for this one curtis
bald dude BUGGIN!!! KPJ is definitely part of our Future
KOC... the next "from analyst to GM" guy???
His first two moves would be to give max contracts to Killian Hayes and Mo Bamba. 😂
Unless the Kings are planning to trade Fox or Haliburton, then the Davion Mitchell pick totally makes no sense.
Yep
Yes it does if he was the best player on their board. You don’t draft for fit when your as bad as the kings you draft talent and see where it goes. Drafting for fit makes you take ayton over luka. Or drafting Bagley🤢🤢
@@zampy8706 lol but davion Mitchell was not even close to the best player available he’s an old undersized guard who has 2 bad shooting seasons and then one good season, and his highest selling point his defense isn’t gonna be as effective because he is 6 feet tall lol
@@zampy8706 keep in mind Mitchell is only about a year younger than dearon fox and shot 64 percent from the free throw line
Mobley: *goes 3rd with potential to be the best player from this draft*
Bill: “I think the days of big men going in the lottery are over.”
I'll never understand the Ringer's video decision making. They post 26 minutes of a 53 minute podcast, but leave out the ending ~third where both KOC and Russillo are both dying of laughter. Would've loved to see that. Anyone only watching this video, check out the pod just after the woj vs shams talk. From that point on it's just goofy lmao. Russillo breaks in a way I haven't really heard.
wheres the rest?
@@lobodolo there’s no video for the rest of it, as far as I can find (despite the fact they record all of it). You just have to listen to the rest as a podcast. It IS funny stuff tho.
Russillo at the beginning looks like he forgot what the show topic of the day was, and began maniacally scrolling through all the draft picks
I hate that everytime the Rockets is mentioned on every podcast/sports show no one is mentioning the potential of Tate and how he can be a really good glue guy. I'd be happy to have him as a 3rd/4th option on my team any day. He fits with anyone as well and can play 1-4
“Stay away from Turkish Hash” 😂😂😂
I think the idea of the Spurs losing their draft touch is a bit unfair. This pick was a surprise to all, but I think they still know what they are doing. They took Keldon Johnson two years ago with the 29th pick and he is arguably a top 5 player in that draft.
They can get Chet or Paola next draft. Pair them with Jalen, Josh, KPJ and KJ Martin
The draft is such a guess.. I feel like OKC going with Giddey is huge! Lamelo ball was the last ROY in the NBL and look how he’s looking… Giddey broke his triple double record and he’s 18.. 6’8 pg that can do everything.. imagine him at 21?! He’s a child and been killing adult pros for years
Wish the best for Giddey. He'll be good but we can't necessarily use the success of LaMelo as a gauge for what Giddey will do.
Duarte on the Knicks would’ve been a top 5 selling jersey lol
Facts washington heights would be litt
Well This Video Didn't Age Well 💀
Rockets won 7 in a row after Harden trade, then Wood got hurt, and missed a lot of games. They made a conscious decision to tank, because OKC owned their pick if it dropped below 4....They're not that bad. Got a lot of talent...they just need to find a way to rid themselves of Wall and Gordon.
Im curious on who will trade for Wall and Eric Gordon?
@@patrickmatthews8191 they may have to waive them... ...but they could and should trade Danuel House
Detroit Pistons are massive winners. Addition of cade at first overall, Isaiah Livers falling in the second round, Luka Garza is an intriguing pick at 52, and adding all of those pieces to the solid young core that they already have makes the Pistons future just look brighter and brighter.
Scottie Barnes has insane upside, Suggs was the safe pick but Barnes easily has the most upside.
Keep telling yourself that lol
Most upside is jonathan kuminga. And as of now its a bad pick :).
Raptors are idiots. They treat the 1st round picks like it's the 2nd round. We need a guard. Kyle's old(possibly gone) and Fllyn//fred cant carry this team
@@gdawgs101 Suggs needs the ball in his hands to be efficient. They already got FVV, Flynn, Trent Jr, Pascal....Barnes is the answer to small ball, you'll see.
I do think that Barnes has a lot of great skills for sure and has a nice upside but is he the next type of future superstar player? I mean if he develops a better jump shot, that would be great especially with a very talented development program in Toronto. I still feel like Raptors should’ve gotten Suggs cause of the fact that he is also a potential to be a great player and is a better fit too especially with Lowry most likely leaving. We will see who won in a couple years
Really tough pod for Bill
I thought GSW did great. I get the whole win-now mode, but the key is the health of Klay and the growth of Wiseman. If those happen, i think loading up on future stars could do them solid since Steph could play for quite a bit longer and contribute for a while.
kind of funny to re watch this
Give us more Rewatchables!!
Let’s go Rockets
Lol
as a warriors fan I'm ecstatic with what we were Able to do. I mean I would have liked a trade the picks but our picks were amazing. Kuminga falling was huge and surprising but moody was a even bigger surprise. personal I would like to keep one and trade the other but both are valid.
The depth the Ws have is pretty badass. I like our top 12 guys! May be a reason to trade some of them but if we roll with what we got, it'll be fun. Summer league should be good too, Manion, new 2, Wiseman maybe, Poole probably won't go, did in Australia? I'm stoked 🤗
'Woods is about himself' based on what....him not staying in Detroit? Cant be based on anything at Rockets and he ewas damn near unknown before. Random assassination ffs
Yeah, what was that all about? Never heard anything about his character or how he is as a teammate. Weird.
As a Warriors fan I'm happy with the draft. Moody seems like a plug and play guy as Klay comes back, he can learn the movement stuff and play D. Kuminga has upside and well see. Both could be trade assets and if they are, then they still got guys slotted to be off the board. Watching Toronto since they drafted Siakam 2.0, looks that way from afar at least.
siakam 2.0 lol, barnes at 19 is a better ball handler and playmaker than siakam, much much more potential
@@user-qb6vv9qm1c Siakam is overrated af imo. I'm hoping the W's don't trade Wiggins plus for him. Please no!
Spurs making me want to end it all…also Ryan is on the nose with that Turkish hash comment 😮💨
Whats wrong with it?
@@nuniemiliano7897 strong af + addictive
The funny thing is how they say Orlando gets unlucky every year but this time they are convinced that the Magic got lucky. How about if Scotty Barnes turns out to be the better player? It's not like Scuggs is head and shoulders above Scotty. I read that Orlando and OKC had Scotty rated ahead of Jalen. I like Jalen Scuggs as a player but I think Scotty is just as good.
Yeah a lot of the debate between those two guys is groupthink. The media pushed Jalen being the better prospect but teams have a much better gauge and perspective.
gotta agree with Ryan here... there is not enough evidence that shows that Beal is truly pushing for an out... but at the same time, there is zero percent chance that Beal woke up today and said "wow, now we are moving in the right direction"... zero... and again, whom in their correct mind would rather have the picks taken vs Westbrook... everybody is always so down on Russ, but the run to make the playoffs was more about Russ than it was about Beal from my perspective...
Bill talks about getting centers for cheap but doesn’t mention Mobley or Barnes at 3 and 4
Bill is NOT a draft guy or trade-offseason guy, more of a great personality and basketball historian.
I think the implied qualifier for his argument is that unless it's a consensus foundational center in the top 10, no center should go in the first round. There's a huge gap between Mobley/Barnes and the rest of the other centers in the draft.
he said unless it is an all nba type of talent, which mobley is
I just wish he covered them there because it was the case where super skilled big men went early
Aaron Holiday making the wiz a double winner lmaoooooo
Yeahhh. Love Holiday, and he's a really good kid, but... Some people just haven't seen the Pacers play lol (not that they gave a reason to watch last year)
@@20plum not saying he doesnt have the potential to be a decent backup PG with the right situation and coaching, but Indy he’s been a streaky shooter, an abysmal defender and a subpar passer
The balled headed guy loved Mobley at the #1 or #2 pick now that Cavs picked him they don't even mention him. Trust me it doesn't matter how many players you pick its the right player.
So tell me why exactly does Presti not just keep Sengun? Those 2 picks they got for him are heavily protected anyway, and that kid just won the MVP as an 18 yr old in one of the best basketball leagues outside the NBA. I mean he's not a sureshot offcourse, but getting a promising young prospect at 16 who actually could fit in pretty good with your young team? Are they collecting picks JUST to eventually trade them away for 1 or 2 stars? If you wont keep a player like Sengun at 16, who IS he going to keep? Would have loved to see him play along Poku, Dort and SGA
Might be telling that teams that could use a center, like the Kings (with Bagley not working out and Holmes maybe leaving), Hornets, Spurs, Wizards and Thunder all passed up on him. I also read a lot of scouting reports that see him as a Enes Kanter-type of player. The type of player you can get in free agency for cheap. Maybe Sengun will pan out, but he needs to improve in a lot of areas (defense, speed/explosiveness, shooting) before he'll be anything other than a fine post-player.
Bill Chet Holmgren or Paola are going number one next year!! They are both bigs. Then after that the big from France is going number 1 or Jalen Duren. They are going to run the next couple drafts
I'm really upset that indiana drafted somebody that's gonna be basketball old in 5 years when Moses was still on the board
Not a Spurs fan, but I trust the organization too.
Orlando is such a big winner that they drafted a guy (Suggs) who they themselves ranked below the previous pick (Barnes). Sarcasm intended.
Draymond texted Bob Myers to draft Kuminga & Moody
Actually? I mean as a warriors fan I'm hyped with our picks
@@hugojimcam136 same. I’ll be at the Vegas summer league watching all our young players
@@ChewyFlacko hell hea good luc hopefully u see some special
@@ChewyFlacko when is the summer league?
@@thereaper5560 Warriors are playing in Sacramento California classic Aug 2-3. Vegas Summer league Aug 8-17
Lol oh now i feel like perk
Sam Presti is Danny Ainge 2.0
KOC solo would work. Rockets had a beast draft for sure. But Cade will be a star.
The celtics deserve everything of this point guard nightmare after how they did Isaiah Thomas
This recap reiterates how little the talking heads in sports actually know about teams and players. It's funny these guys are assigning grades but don't know half of what these teams know about draft prospects.
Primo is gonna be special!!
Rusillo and Simmons are dopes!!
The Bill Simmons Padcast
Really bad houston takes from dude on the right
Obviously Celtics are the winners and if they don't turn out to be winners it's because of Kyrie. Lifetime winners stamp, approved.
Kpj dropped 50 on jrue holiday yet hes not apart of houstons future? 🤣
Dropped 50 on the champs!
Because he will get himself booted from the league by the age of 25
@@dearmas9068 because he wasnt cool with giving tauren princes bum ass his locker right 🤣🤣
@@patty4ktrey861 that's not what will do it. No. Probably not.
But that was never the actual problem.
Hes been arrested twice since he was drafted for violence, drunk driving, drugs, missuse of a firearm, and more violence.
There are several other allegations that he didnt get arrested for because hes an NBA player including beating up a woman when he was drunk at a club.
Then theres the time he violated COVID protocols within a month of arriving in Houston with one of his team mates. They went to a strip club together, and KPJ picked a fight with a bunch of dudes and got his team mate beaten up.
Then theres all the stuff from his college days that is just as bad, which is why he dropped so far in the draft...
That kind of thing is more likely to be the reason he will be gone before long.
But, ya know... the locker room hissy fits (more than one BTW) dont help either...
@@dearmas9068 the story about the club is completely wrong the way u described it go look up what actually happened… and whatever hes a 20 year old, kobe and rose prlly did much worse LMAO
Why can’t you put the whole podcast on. You lied to us bill about the ringer not changing under Spotify. I miss the full podcasts. Thanks for selling your company and changing.
Porter is definitely trade bait for the future. If they can get a young 3 and D ball handler its a wrap
Porter impacted this draft for the Rockets on so many levels u wouldn't understand. They are building with him and Green in mind
Kevin porter jr is a rising star, a combo guard who they got for basically nothing. Fire whoever trades him immediately !!!
KPJ will be out of the league by the age of 25.
Why does Rusillo look like Butters whenever someone else is talking?
Kevin porter can actually play idk what ur talking about
Exactly KPJ can ball.
@@paul19519 He is also a nut case. lol
@@jonv1776 lol he was young. He has matured
@@paul19519 Sarcasm?
@@neogeo2027 naw. He has matured though. John Lucas have done wonders for the young men.
Who is watching this in 2024 and laughing at some of these takes
Josh Giddey
KOC needs Russillo checking his d***a** anti-chemistry takes Every Podcast. I love it. THANKYOU RYEN. Love this.
POST THE WESTBROOK TAKES !
Garuba the steal of the draft played in the best european league and played against men.
10:29 This point seems very ignorant of the fact the last two nba finals were won by a team with the more dominant big man, who both happened to be lottery picks
@KSmanderes Giannis was not a lottery pick, and Raptors did not have a lottery pick on their squad in 2019. Only Lakers in the Bubble Finals has a Lottery Big Man.
@@fastkarr8256 I said the last 2 years. And giannis went 15th, that's basically a lottery pick
@@KSmanderes “basically a lottery pick” is not a lottery pick. Next you will be saying Corey Kispert is basically a lottery pick.
@@fastkarr8256 if the lottery picks end at #14 and he went at #15, is that that much of a difference?
Steal of the draft: Sharife Cooper
Detroit Pistons won the draft
yeah they always be winning the draft.. shame that never translates to regular season or God forbid the post season
@@smacky101 😂😂
These guys kno rookies dnt make impacts like that to the teams they go to
@David Barber Luka made an impact
Houston Charlotte Pistons Clippers Warriors
Spurs biggest loser and I'm a spurs fan. Primo could be good but why not trade down????. And we don't even need another guard we needed a pf or C. I won't be mad if we start signing bigs or trade for some but knowing the spurs it's like if we are scared to make trades. I'm so confused with our selection, half our team is guards. How is primo supposed to get minutes... Oh wait he isn't we drafted him to be on our G league 😐😞😞😭😭
But you never know. Primo could ball out this year and be and amazing pick.
austin spurs just got a hooper lmao
Bigs are cheap in free agency. Shooters are not and that was their biggest need (Spurs are dead last in threes per game). Might as well swing for the youngest talent with a lot of upside, good IQ and a nicely developed jumpshot. A lot of teams apparently think like that, cause it was reported that the Pacers, Thunder, Hawks, Lakers and Nuggets all allegedly were interested in Primo. If so many teams are interested, maybe the pick wasn't a reach after all.
Spurs front office has 100% trust on their player development guys, taking the youngest guy possible, intending to mold him like a formless piece of clay. I just have my reservations on their scouting corps as they do not have the same advantage on international players anymore. If anything, the new GM is tending to just pick American kids recently (the Samanic pick was pre-new GM right?)
What kills me about this. this is a very deep draft there where a lot of winners in this draft instead rating winners and looser just rate the teams. These guys as I'm listening to them clearly did not do there homework. 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
I swear last year KOC and Bill loved Wiseman. Now they do nothing but trash him. I look forward to next year when they trash Mobley or Green.
The hawks had a top 3 draft IMO jalen Johnson and sharif cooper two lottery type talents watch out I’m just sayin!
@Trinity Clark Cooper was never going to be a lottery pick, and he can’t play on the floor with Trae in the post season.
@@fastkarr8256 He doesn't have to.
I'll start the Golden State fake trade machine lol
Wiggins, Wiseman and Moody for Siakim n Baynes.
There was not a fall off in talent after Sengun lol🤣🤣🤣.
Pistons will have a better draft than Houston book it because three of the 4 hit over 40% over three. Livers would have gone much higher if he didn't get injured. Garza is an offensive monster who only has to prove with his 30 lb weight loss that he can defensively stay on the court. I think this will be apparent especially once everyone realizes the positions aside from Cade that they were drafted at in the second round.
I dont always agree with KOC, but he was the MVP last night. Dude can multitask.
Watch Ryen the first 1st minute of this podcast imitating a methhead on zoom call.
I would loved Orlando more had they taken Daivion Mitchell instead of Wagner. I know they were looking for a big men, but I thought Mitchell might have made their potential sky high in a couple years.
But franz fit better with orl roster daivion because size and orl having four young gaurds
But I think daivion Mitchell will be solid in the league
Russell Westbrook
Wow Ryen is the only guy I heard disrespect Kevin Porter Jr and Christian Wood at the same time lol
KPJ especially was entirely meaningless garbage time stats. that team was actively trying to lose every game. wood is a good offensive big but terrible on defense. ryen is right - neither will be on the next good rockets team
@@kevmack93 Kevin porter jr was getting reps at a new position and showed extreme amount of skill and promise despite the team not winning. People said the same thing about devin booker and what some say about Zach Lavine( empty stats). You got to have the right situation to succeed and the rockets were a mess before the season even started. I’m not even a rockets fan , but you have a 21 year old with all star skills , that you got for basically nothing ,your trippin. He will be there, bet that!!