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2021 Top Four NBA Mock Draft | The Bill Simmons Podcast
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- čas přidán 19. 08. 2024
- The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Kevin O’Connor, J. Kyle Mann, and Jonathan Tjarks to run through the first four teams in the NBA draft and discuss which players they might select on draft night and what factors may influence their decisions.
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Praying for you Tjarks.
What happened?
@@brandonb72 chemo
@@NoName-cn3cp word. Prayers up!! 🙏🏾❤️
🙏4 sharks
Prayers its a horrible disease be strong and beat it 💪 🙏 ❤
you gonna defeat this tjarks, and we gonna see you break a loooooot of incoming nba drafts
@Late Notice rare type of cancer deadly enough that it has a higher chance of him dying in 5 years than surviving
Always good to see tjarks. Keep fighting brother.
I love how for the past two weeks Jalen Suggs has been chilling by basically being 95% sure he’s going 4th to Toronto lmao-meanwhile Cade, Green, and Mobley’s landing spots are still up in the air depending on how trades or further scouting goes lol.
i think mobley vs cade vs green will go down as a ayton vs trae and luka type choice...i really do..
@@razkable where's Bagley? 😂
Idk….do they need another guard up there?
@@tragicjackson811 theyre likely losing Lowry, so yeah. Suggs will be the backup at first since they have Flynn too.
@@ChrisbeFoSerious GTJ probably will start in order for Suggs to earn his spot as starter.
FVV and GTJ
Suggs and Flynn/Bembry
Toronto gunna take Barnes...watch
Good job
TJARKS ITS LOVE BRO, STAY POSITIVE 💪🏾
I just prayed for u Tjarks. Have faith and you’ll overcome
The whole empty stats trope around Zach lavine, Bradley Beal, and Collin sexton is so so stupid
Same thing he said about Trey Young.
@@lukenasty4159 and dbook
@Late Notice yeah but I think the main difference between a winning player and a guy like Westbrook is effinceny
@Late Notice the difference is harden is a competent 3 point shooter. Westbrook closes the floor for his teammates while harden spaces it. Also harden is a better playmaker and will prob win a chip soon and he would of this year barring injuries
Harden is still objectively a winner though
When Tjarks said that Scottie Barnes isn’t an elite athlete I almost threw my phone
anyone who chooses mobley 1st is an idiot in this nba..hes not giannis..hes not davis hes not dwight hes not blake...hes a lot like ayton and wiseman...solid one day but raw and not that franchise changing as a 2nd option even let alone first...
He really isn't though. He has this very stiff upper body/stance, that doesn't allow him to use 100% of his actual athleticism. I actually think he's gone from being underrated, to significantly overrated. If I'm a team picking in the top 6, I'm passing on Scottie Barnes.
@@razkable he plays similar to embiid.
@@eggz1923 if you think mobley plays similar to Embiid then you don’t watch either of them for shit💀
@@AngelHerrera-zl6yw k but he plays nothing like ayton or wiseman in college idk where you get that from just cause their both young high drafted centers doesnt mean they play similar. how can you not see any similarities in embiids and mobleys game.
I just don’t see Mobley being able to create his own shot like Davis or giannis. Doesn’t look like that kind of guy
"You're not that guy pal, you're not that guy...!"
Sorry. Just wanted to say that 😆
Me either bro
Yeah I don’t see him on that tier for shot creating
But I believe he’s on their tier with defensive potential
His offensive game isn’t a liability and should continue to develop - I wouldn’t let him slip past 2
@Sempre Milan10 exactly lmao.
@@playmakersc12k82 I would, Jalen Green looks amazing
Pray for Tjarks 🙏🙏 we’re with you in this fight bro
Lol sexton so underrated man smh the disrespect. Devin booker was “empty stats” now he gets better team gets compared to kobe smh
Booker is a 6'5 shooting guard who put up about 7 dimes in his age 22 season
Sexton is a 6'0 shooting guard who put up about 4 dimes in his age 22 season
Sexton gets buckets, which is important, but he does not fit every team, he needs to be paired with an over-sized primary distributor
Its not that nobody gives him his due, he's just a hard guy to place. Booker is much more of a plug and play guy in any system of offense.
If Sexton could get paired with someone like LaMelo, he could do what scary terry did this year - but better... but there aren't too many LaMelos out there
Prof Gainz lol you are sitting here trying convince me booker is a better player which is obvious. My whole point is dismissing media narratives about “empty stats”. There are rare occasions in which it applies
Sexton can be a really valuable 3rd or 4th best player on a good team , perhaps an amazing 6th man. Just don't see him as someone you hand the keys to the franchise and the offense to. Definitely Booker as a young player putting up "empty stats" it felt like he was worth a max contract investment if they were able to add a 2nd max player like Paul.
juju 32 6 man??? Lol you obviously don’t need to talkin basketball
@@stevenwhiters8928 Empty stats just mean stats from a player on a losing team... sure, its a dumb term... but nobody is disrespecting Sexton, he's just a hard guy to trade because only very select teams can use him
god damn tjarks, praying for you, you gotta beat this and come back! hang in there man
7:08 I love you Tjarks, but there's no way on earth the Rockets would include KPJ in a trade-up for Cade. Secondly, they have draft capital and plus players on rookie deals to offer if needed.
As a Cavs fan, they'd be beyond stupid not to if such a deal were possible...but it isn't...He's a fantastic talent and a good kid, however whether it's maturity or just an out-of-step personality, you cannot rely on him and would be insane to consider a centerpiece of a franchise.
U trade kpj in a second lol wdym
If they included KPJ in a package, the draft compensation would be minimal.
@@78bcat Ummm or how about being young and making mistakes in life like most young people do and going through mental health issues from past traumas in life he’s definitely capable of being one of the centerpieces to a young team in Houston he definitely seems to have gotten past the issues he had in Cleveland hasn’t gotten in a lick of trouble since he got here just needed a fresh start and he’s in great hands with John Lucas on our coaching staff who has helped several players who have had off court issues straighten out and deal with addiction he’ll be fine your painting him to be mentally unstable and a loose cannon of sorts which he isn’t just made a few mistakes that’s all
I miss Simmons actually writing occasionally
yeah, I miss the best asset column that he did every year the most
His fingers dont work
All great Analysts that actually study the game, spreading informed outlooks rather than brash takes. Love it.
Best nba podcast 🙌
LOVE THIS CREW WAY BETTER THAN RUSSILFUCK
As a Pistons fan I'd be happy with any of the projected top 3.
Good draft to win the lottery 👏
@@somersetbassett4580 About time too. I thought we'd pick 5th or 6th given our recent bad draft luck.
Pls no Jalen Green
@@rafaelsantana4905 Why? His game looks fantastic.
Tjarks are you sure that’s a ringer hat your wearing or Rockets hat
roblox hat
Saving this to check it in five years
Lmao we would never trade siakam for just wiggins and 7… were talking about an allstar nba champion and MIP player. He aint the best first option but with steph and klay he’ll thrive just like he did with kawhi. Wiggins and 7 is too little
I would say if Wiggins contract was smaller maybe and it allowed flexibility to make even more moves because I don't think Siakam is a level of player who will take years to replace and the future of the franchise doesn't change drastically losing him. That's if Raptors really like someone at #7 because with Wiggins playing defense now I think he's not that far off from Siakams level.
As a Ws fan, keep Siakam I prefer Wiggins in today's NBA and depth is great 👍. Siakam is a champ bc . . . Achilles and ACL not a selling point to me lol 😆
@@somersetbassett4580 siakams a champ cuz we beat yall in 6😂😂 stay salty forever we ruined ur 3peat :)
I would 100 percent do it if wiseman was included
Wiggins>Siakam
Bill, I have a question for you.
Lets say, hypothetically, the top 3 players are removed from this draft (Cade/Mobley/Green), so basically the draft starts at 4 (with the same order, so Detroit picks 1st). What are your top 3 picks in this scenario?? Top 5?
Cheers from Toronto!
Suggs, Barnes and Kuminga! ....
That being said, based on development program Kuminga would have most potential to develop, then Barnes and then Suggs. All three would be coming off the bench in Toronto.
I think Green, Mobley and Cunningham all have potentially elite ceilings but for whatever reason with the eye test I see the most "it" factor in Green even though I'm someone who usually prefers the type of player Mobley and Cunningham can be at their positions more than a midsized 2guard scorer. Drafts are so unpredictable though , almost always a top 3 draft picks disappointment every year, so maybe all 3 are great but history would say at least one of them won't be.
Lmao this "it" factor is flashy plays and leaping ability isn't it?
To me cade has the it factor with his vision tbh
@@rafaelsantana4905 he has substance though and actual skill on top of 1% type athleticism
Bill Simmons really, really hates Cleveland.
He’s mad lebron would beat them over and over and over since he went to Miami
Because he's just a Celtics fan with a following...and his analysis is as "serious" as other media personalities like Steven A, Skip, etc...
We all do
As a raptors fan, I can confirm Sexton holds no value in my eyes.
Looking back at their rookie season. This might be one of the best draft all time. We could be looking at 7 out of top 8 picks as future all-nba or atleast allstar players with Suggs as the only one that is potentially a bust
The Raptors win here no matter what and I couldn't be happier. Things go as expected we get a nice replacement for Lowry and if any of the top 3 pull a Cavs in 2013 we luck into an even better pick.
Mobley is not Giannis. The big question out there was does Mobley even love basketball? Meanwhile Giannis is the ultimate competitor a apex if you will 💯.....
He looks more like JJJ or KG anyway
lol Giannis was drafted like 18th and had to be constantly encouraged to play basketball as a teenager. This stuff is so hard to read. All these guys could be great or all of them suck or the no name picked 10th overall could become a future MVP.
@@AjaxNixon He was drafted 15th & his work ethic or motor was never questioned
he legit said giannis is not a great passer lol..did he watch the finals?...giannis is playing pg...lol...he can handle 95 feet...mobley is not that
@@razkable RT
Tjarks we love you man keep fighting brother
Tjarks you are so awesome!
Tjarks is a beast being able to fight cancer and work at the same time. Get well buddy.
I loved Hakeem but history tells us they should have picked Jordan IJS Green to the 🚀🚀🚀 if we're looking at the upside in it's totality it's Green 💯
@Late Notice 😂 English yes! Proper grammar, hell NAWL!
yeah but mobley could be dwight like aka effect the game more then green who could just be a corey maggette zach lavine hybrid type player..a scorer who does not translate to wins as your best guy...think peak ben gordon...
@@razkable It's hard to project who they could be like. You can draft Green because of who he is today. Work ethic, highly motivated, offense phenomenon etc!!!!
Lowry and DeRozan to New Orleans 💯
I should be Woj!!!
Every video with Tjarks is an automatic A+, get better and get your own show!!
1. It's glaringly obvious none of these guys have ever seen Jalen Green play
2. When they said the Kings should trade Fox and the 9 for Ben Simmons I pooped myself
3. When Simmons said the Kings should trade Fox for Barrett and their pick, I unsubscribed.
green reminds me of derozan while mobley is young bosh
@@razkable green to me has a higher ceiling that derozan. Potential to be a much more capable 3 pt shooter.
@Karl Lennon that Simmons guy is wack
If Golden State keeps both picks, Moody and Murphy are the guys imo. 2 big longs wings who can switch from position to position, spot up, and play within the ball movement system based on their college runs at both Virginia and Arkansas.
Sexton was criticized for his passing and decided not to score in the McDonalds All American games second half!!
He Took over the game without scoring a point in the second half and ended up with 7 assist in a half!!
Surround him with talent and his IQ will elevate!!
Hey. I wondered where my foamy walkman headphones from 1987 went. Have been unable to listen to that Cutting Crew cassette. Bill has them?!?! Ugh.
Anyone think Cade got a lot of Evan Turner on him???
Yeah.. agreed. This is a top 3 draft. As a raptors fan would love Mobley or Green.
Simmons has the smalls hat on from the sandlot
You’re killing me smalls!
KOC last year you sold me on Cade Cunningham. I'm a fan of his now I'm not giving up on him lol.
Hope Tjarks is better. Prayers to him
Why are podcasts like this only focused on the top 5 or the lottery IN SUCH A DEEP DRAFT!!
THERE ARE 5-6 "Starter potential Guards" in the late first, early second and 4-5 Athletic 6´10+ guys with Guard Skills and outside shots!! WE KNOW THE TOP 5!!
siakam for wiggins is definitely bad for warriors
All they need to do is make a good bench coz this year all they were missing was a 20 point scorer in Klay Thompson
Once he is back they will be good for sure
Why would Detroit supposedly be cowards to not take Mobley, but the Rockets with literally no one starting at Center should take Green lol. Bill is fuming that Cade will be a Piston
Mobley will be on the offensive and defensive gameplan for every opponent
Cheering for you Tjarks.
Disrespect to Siakam is unreal
Jonathan Tjarks do do do dododo JonathanTjarks do do do dododo Jonathan Tjarks do do do dododo Jonathan Tjarks is all I hear when they say his name lol
Sexton and Mobley for Cade is interesting
Is Weaver that stupid?
Bill's analysis is such the guy who looks at box scores...
He doesn't get why all these teams are talking about Sexton. He hasn't done anything. Well all these teams actually watch the games and Sexton has actually done a lot. At this point his basement is as a fantastic 6th man in the vein of Lou and Clarkson and his ceiling still unknown....but it all befuddles a Celtics fan turned "expert"...
Of all the Ringer guys only Bill is perfectly suited for Audio. The other guys are writers doing the talking thing
Wow the Siakam disrespect is real
Got exposed as a #1 . . . Well see if he can metamorph into That Guy.
Just here for j Kyle mann
Bill Simmons is notoriously bad at his draft predictions, I can’t wait to see how this ages in the coming years.
There a lot of bigs with high upsides that turn into nothing. Don't know how Mobley is that much better than Green.
true..cousins never did anything as the best guy...mobley is a solid 2nd option 4 years from now...but as a first he is overrated..green could be a richard hamilton type 23 ppg guy for a decade
At the very least you will get high level defense and someone who can shoot a bit
@@playmakersc12k82 I’m my opinion you can get that later in the draft.
@@paul19519 eh I’d say Mobley’s upside and what he flashed is worth a top 3 pick for sure - I wouldn’t let him fall past 2
But what do we know as arm chair GMs ? Have a good day!
@@playmakersc12k82 Kai Jones.. he has just as much upside and Evan an can be had later in the draft. I’m not saying Evan won’t be great, I just don’t see how he is way better than Green as the podcast are saying. But that’s just me 🤷🏾
Hate hearing Simmons talk about Detroit, guy is such a Boston dude…can’t wait til we pace ahead of the Celtics over the next few years! Cade Killian Bey Grant and Beef Stew…come on baby! Thanks guys
Mobley is a taller Terrance Jones
he could be julius randle
@@razkable Randle a bully tho. He big body.
Mobley gives bust vibes
I hope my Raptors need to trade up to 3 but if Houston takes Mobley like Bill said that would be a great big brain trade to force other teams (like my Raptors) to panic to trade up.
I don’t see Mobley the way they do . I really don’t. Not saying he won’t be good. Be good lord. A comparison to Giannis is a death sentence if those are their expectations of Mobley. If anything I see a more athletic Pau Gasol. And to say he’s a better passer than GA is kinda ridiculous. In Greece Giannis played the point guard and was the primary ball handler for his team.
Nobody sees Mobley the way they do. They're a delusional bunch
The sexton slander made him sound like a casual
Wiggins is not better than Siakam...not even close
Scottie ROY
Kevin O’Upside
Kevin O’Positive
Kevin O’Ceiling
Jalen green gonna be the best in this draft
Raptors should just keep their 4 pick. We have no reason to trade away Siakam and absolutely no reason to trade away our future for Simmons.
Can we retire “level up” yet?
we gotta level up first- then we can!
Mobley the best player on the draft 🤔 Most teams don’t feel that way.
These guys are delusional
tjarks gets it. a big who fits the modern nba is the real differentiator. wing guys are NOT that new wave. and good luck with your health. youre too young for this, my dude.
Your gonna beat this Tjarks
KOC is the only logical person on this pod rn lol.
I like Mobley but the Giannis comparison in my opinion just isn’t realistic
Oh yeah, terrible comparison.
As a Raptors fan.. I'm passing and trading down if the choice is Jalen Suggs. Let me get some of those OKC picks. I'll take Wiggins, Wiseman, 7 and 14
Imagine having 50 plus million tied up in Siakam/Allen on a yearly basis. That would be just plain gross to me as a Raptors fan. I would rather just bring Birch back for peanuts. I am taking Wiggins/7/14 for Siakam. The Warriors can keep Wiseman.
It’s strange though, because the Warriors NEED Wiggins AND Siakam to have a complete team.
Only way to do that is by trading Wiseman, Oubre on a sign & trade, and both picks.
I know his contract sucks, but the Wiggins & the Warriors are a perfect match.
People are hating on Siakam too much. He's not a No. 1 offensive option he's clearly better suited to be a No. 2 and be able to give more defensive effort. But he needs to used like that. Also dude was a good 3pt shooter in each of the previous seasons so I don't buy this downturn in his shooting efficiency.
S/o Killian Hayes!
Detroit take Cade! Don't take another big man.
I swear old heads like this love centers too much
Cade
_________________
Green and Mobly
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Suggs
_________________
Kuminga and Barnes
Mobley 2
Jalen Green to the Rockets. People that train all the time are not addicted to the workouts, they're addicted to the results! If Mobley had the work ethic of Green lol he would be the number one pick! The fact that Giannis was picked 13th only shows that they really don't consider work ethic has a skill
That and figuring out how hard an 18 year old is going to work when he's 25 and worth $50 million is impossible to know. Everyone knows it's a skill but no one can predict it and lots of busts have happened because GM's 'knew' a kid would work hard. But no one really knows.
As a rookie you knew giannis would keep working hard though, even after his big contract. He always had that vibe about him that he was not spoiled
@@BobbysVids A high motor can be infectious
Mobley looks like a injury looking to happen. He's pretty spindly
siakim is not that good of a player. crazy to me that a hot streak for a few weeks still has people thinking he might actually be good
Simmons thinks Marcus Smart is more valuable than Kyle Lowry. Can't trust any of his Raptor opinions. Lowry won a championship as the starting PG. Siakam and Wiggins? Siakam was the #2 behind Kawhi on the same championship team. Don't throw Siakam under the bus after 1-down season. Wiggins is the bust that's barely a starter. Couldn't excel on a 2021 Warriors team that had G-Leaguers.
Also, if I were Detroit and actually wanting Green, I’d demand:
#2 Pick, #23 Pick, Christian Wood, and 3 future 1st Round Picks. Nothing less. This is a massive chance to commit robbery.
Lol 😂
If I’m Detroit, I take Green and hope he’s an all time great guard at the end of the day…what else should a “Mid market team.”
Mobley more likely to be a bust than a franchise player. He’s not on the level of the other 3 guys as prospects and has the whole issue that bigs in general have in today’s nba where 99% of them don’t even positively help a team win games until mid way through their first extension.
For sure, these Ringer guys are delusional. In no way is Mobley a #1 pick. Not this year......not next year......not ever
Can't believe Usman Garuba not going in top 5 from Real Madrid playing in Euroleague and ACB better level than NCAA by far playing with men not boys. Ask Luka Doncic.
Huh???
hey dude, mobley can't defend giannis look at ayton and ayto is much more stronger
Anthony Davis can defend Giannis and Mobley is more AD than he is Ayton
@@GodBody-BodyofGod can he stay healthy? he is brittle
Poeple are sleeping on kuminga
J.Kyle should’ve been the thumbnail- double the views.
So Raps shouldn't keep a player everyone else wants because of how much he brings a team 🙄 Common sense is dead lol. Intangibles matter... Lowry needs to stay, period, full stop! Without him there is no big winning for Raps yet ugh
Cade's underwhelming athleticism is the only thing that compares to Luka... Otherwise, Luka is a big, cornfed dude that defenders bounce off of, similar to Paul Pierce... Whereas Cade is a slender dude, so he won't be like Luka or Paul, and he lacks athleticism, so he won't be the athletic wing type.. I see an Evan Turner or Dante Exum - he'll be better than those guys presumably, but how much better? Maybe not much.. He might end up as a spot-up shooter being his best use, rather than a do-it-all creator, which requires size and/or athleticism that he doesn't have.
İf Luka's story has taught us anything it's that skill beats athleticism most of the time. Cade is to damn smooth offensively to not be an all-star level player at in the end. He reminds me of Tatum with his scoring
You clearly didn't watch case. Also he's not slender lmao
Luka is an inch shorter and 10 pounds more. Meanwhile cade is still only 19 but 6'8 and 220. He plays nothing like Turner or exum. Y'all gonna learn with these lazy takes
Do you watch basketball?
@@isaiahjgrey me? yes
Green will show y’all how wrong y’all are
Evan Mobley overrated, he is not going to be a bust but not an all star either....Jalen Suggs slept on
Say what ?
@@jdilla4591 Mobley is ok, 15/8/2.5 not a bust, not all star, i think that's his ceiling...Suggs was just hurt for most of the season, he'll bounce back and is still slept on
@@aepr84 he’s a rookie lmaooo what are you talking about
@@jdilla4591 he's ok
are we sure that Suggs is better than Malachi? I think Masai - someway, somehow - ends up w/ Mobley
We're sure.
@@brandon8347 I guess, it just seems superfluous w/ the Fred, Malachi, Gary backcourt already in place; hopefully we won't have a pick this good again for years; getting a generational big just seems like an incredible opportunity
if we can't trade up for Mobley I think I'd rather trade down for Barnes
@@peterkokosar9307 suggs actually has the size to play alongside fvv, suggs is way better than malachi.
Mobley is overrated.
No one views Mobley the way they do. This bunch of ' experts' are delusional
For the love of god Tjarks please get better... I can't take anymore wosny lambre.. He's ruining groupchat
Mobley a better passer than Giannis right now? Drugs... he's on drugs
Well he actually is cause he going thru chemo so he deff on drugs
SEXTON = REGGIE JACKSON IN 3 YEARS
No way your crazy sexton was a lottery pick😭🤦🏾♂️
Bro what
@@Gillz34 so was anthony Bennett. It's a compliment. Both can get hot and get buckets in the right system
Does he have cancer?
Unfortunately I was wondering the same thing
Knicks idea:
Mitchell Robinson, 19th Pick, Frank Ntilikina, and future 1st for:
Kyle Lowry (sign & trade) & the 4th Pick.
This dumb af
Your high!