How Strong is Obi-Wan Kenobi?
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- čas přidán 9. 06. 2022
- In this video I simply go over Obi Wan in a powerscaling and Narrative aspect throughout his major appearances in the franchise. This video was recorded prior to the Kenobi shows release so don't mind any conflicting statements the only one I can see maybe being an issue is that Obi Wan might become his strongest self in the show after his second fight with Vader.
Thank you for watching :) (This video uses Disney Canon Star Wars not legends the Clone Wars 2003 clips were just used for aesthetic reasons)
Star Wars is probably my favorite series.
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I have not even finished watching your video. But please do more power scaling for star wars!!! Please!!!
I’m hyped for that Vader vs obito video
Obi-Wan being on equal footing with Asajj Ventress is not an anti-feat. Ventress gets downplayed because her opponents are always so powerful.
Fr most of her fights are either Anakin/Obi or Dooku
Really cool to see you branching into Star Wars. I'd honestly just be interested in your takes about the franchise from power scaling to the storytelling to specific characters and lore.
2:55 I have the novel he did use the dark side using his rage and frustration of Qui-gon's death which caught Maul of guard and pushed him back a little but Maul quickly overpowered him. Maul then lost because he was toying with Obi-wan, was caught off guard and Obi-wan using his force abilities to pseudo amp himself for one final leap
Movie novelization aren't cannon. At least not the parts that aren't in the movies. Those n we're written before the split.
@@christianmino4073 True but he is using them
I'd actually argue that Obi-Wan doesn't peak till New Hope or shortly before it given the narrative implications of defeating Darth Maul so quickly and easily. It's a visual representation of him becoming better than Maul and his older self.
No obi wan hit his peak at rots. Maul was fatigued and his legs were rusting. He as well wanted to die at this point. Maul also uses the form he used against qui gon witch obi wan has replayed in his head many times so he could easily counter it.
Maul has always been above obi wan. Rebel's Maul as well is just a beast being stated around the level of vader and above ashoka
@@Vader255 That's not what was implied narratively is my point, it's all but explicitly stated by that episode Maul is weaker because he can't move on from the past and Obi-Wan can.
>Maul has always been above obi wan.
Obi-Wan defeated Maul and Savage in a 2V1 on Florrum. He broke Savage's leg and cut his arm off. Maul had to run away to save their lives from Obi-Wan and then eventually Hondo.
Obi-Wan as a Padawan defeated Maul on Naboo.
Obi-Wan defeated Maul on Tatooine.
This actually puts Obi-Wan at a positive win ratio against Maul as Maul only defeated Obi-Wan twice and all of Maul's victories he did with help from Savage. Obi-Wan won all his fights alone or alone after his ally had died. So the claim he's always been above Obi-Wan is pretty shaky.
While we could probably go back and forth debating the specifics of each fight and poke holes for each side (Maul was fatigued on Tatooine or Obi-Wan didn't know Savage was there on Raydonia until he was ambushed) it's pretty clear narratively Maul is the lesser of the two by the end of his journey and from a purely power scale perspective w/o narratively implications Maul has the least wins and the least legitimate wins so even if Maul is stronger the evidence for that simply isn't there.
>Rebel's Maul as well is just a beast being stated around the level of vader
Maul states outright on Malachor he can't beat Vader and that he needs Ahsoka, Ezra, and Kanan to beat him.
>and above ashoka
Maul has never beaten Ahsoka in a fight. She wins on Mandalore and during Rebels they briefly fight before Ahsoka leaves to help Ezra. Maul is then defeated easily by a Kanan who just had his eye balls melted. Maul loosing to Kanan is a example of Maul just being overconfident rather than Kanan actually being *that* strong but Maul still hasn't beaten Ahsoka once and has a negative win ratio against her loosing 100 percent of the time they fought to conclusion.
@@ethanketter7310 Maul outright rag dolls Obi-wan more than once
@@ethanketter7310 Okay so Obi wan beats maul as a padawan due to maul holding back and playing around. Obi wan as well was amped. Its also stated Obi wan won due to luck.On Florrum Maul was holding back yet again because the whole narrative of maul is he wants to take his anger out on obi wan and make him suffer like maul has. Maul is also like this greek tale about a man that his punishment is to push a rock up a hill forever and whenever he almost reaches the top so he can finally leave hell it falls back down on to him and he has to roll it back up the hill again. It's the same with maul things are looking good for him and he messes it all in the pursuit of vengeance. Obi wan was as well amped when fighting savage and maul after the death of Adi gallia.
We see when ever maul goes all out on obi wan he slaps him with the force witch i can send clips of since maul does it like 3 times.So Maul>Obi wan is clear.It's clear Maul is above Obi wan Maul's whole Narrative is that his blood lust and thirst for vengeance ruins him thats why he is losing to fodder. Maul is stated in the realm of vader so he is on the same tier of power.Maul can beat afraid of him thats fine but that does not mean he is not on his tier.Maul as well is just stated a good match for vader by filoni.
Okay yet again Maul was holding back on Ashoka and wanted to lure her to the darkside and thought he and her at their full potential could beat Palpatine and a Hypothetical Vader.Maul is shown to doing better against the Inqusitors than Ashoka as well.Maul and Ashoka fight and stalemate while Maul is playing around.
Okay so the thing about Kanan is he has this ability where he can become one with the force and get a huge amp witch is stated by his VA and Dave filoni. Kanan when fighting maul goes into his this force amped state and defeats a maul that was just playing around. Kanan does this force amp thing against the GI as well.
With the new Kenobi show theory's I have I gather that he'll probably peak in Ep 6 of this first season and there is a rumored season 2 so I gather he'd get stronger there as well and possibly in season 3 it was a no brainer disney would continue the series after it had the literal biggest opening weekend on disney+ out of all the shows so yea.
This has gotta be one of if not your best video yet, editing on point, you’re doing a great job
Deffo his worst I think he needs to read and watch a lot more str wars before making more vids as some of his takes are very surface level.
Goddamn Six, coming in with the unbelievable quality yet again. After Seth's Sith scale, I was so hyped to see you jump into the verse. This is by far the best breakdown of Obi-Wan I've seen.
I love it when you and everybody else as in Seth and swag do videos on different topics, especially something like Star Wars. It’s cool to hear about series hard to understand with all the different perspective and opinions from the movie
Great video would really like to see more Star Wars content in the future!
with kenobi his defeat of vader may actually be his greatest feat. he annihilated him. he had him on the verge of death. and he could’ve easily killed him if he really wanted to. while vader is so much stronger in the force, i feel like obi-wan genuinely solidified himself as one of the greatest lightsaber combatants in the universe. the fact that he is able to move as quickly and as efficiently as he does while also using a defensive style is baffling. also his defeat of maul in rebels, which took him three swings of his blade, is a crazy feat, as maul is known as one of the greatest sith assassins in the universe. in a new hope, i believe that if he really wanted to, he could’ve defeated vader there as well. honestly obi wans feats are absolutely ridiculous and he deserves the recognition and hype
Yes. He spare vadars life twice..
I really hope you aren't referring to 20 years later darth vader, because Obi was was clearly on the back foot that entire fight
@@jpraise6771 I mean , Obi was hitting close to 60 years old in that final fight
Top notch, always fun to listen to your vids
Good video. There is actually a statement from "Lightsabers a guide to the weapons of the force" that says Dooku's familiarity with Kenobi's fighting style let him win while the junior novel heavly implies that when he was ragdolled by Dooku, Kenobi was caught off guard.
This is the passage from the junior novel I refered to:
"He can’t fight in two directions at once, Obi-Wan thought as he came up behind the Count. If we can-
Count Dooku half-turned and raised a hand. A rush of dark power lifted Obi-Wan off his feet and choked the air from his lungs. He reached for the Force to counter Dooku, but the attack had been too sudden."
Thanks for bringing that up. It explains why Kenobi can fight people who can at least throw hands pretty well with Dooku even though he can’t
@@AdrianM0816 i wouldn’t say it implies that he was caught off-guard. You could interpret it as Dooku being to quick for Kenobi, because how was he off-guard if he is in the midst of trying to strike him?
@@chaa6144 I refer to the part where Obi thinks that Dooku can't fight in two directions at once. That implies that he let his guard down imo. Or at least he undersestimated Dooku.
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Yes! Star Wars content from you is going to be awesome on your channel!
Great video man! Keep up the awesome content!
I'm a big fan of starwars. Glad to see you branching out!! great vid
One random thing that was strange to me is the doku duel scale as at the time doku was a top tier probably top 5 and really debatably top 3
Good vid man. Really into Star Wars so glad you are power scaling it to. You should defo branch out into legends at some point
This is one of my favorite video of yours. Good flow, engaging ass commentary & fire ass edits. 🤌🏾✨🔥
Six ur fun to watch hope ur channel keeps growing!! Seth and swag are slow to upload, ur gunna drag out all their waiting watchers like myself :)
19:43
Here is the quote actually
His hands seized Obi-Wan's wrists with impossible strength, forcing his arms wide. "I am so sick of your lectures!"
Dark power bore down with his grip.
Obi-Wan felt the bones of his forearms bending, beginning to feather toward the greenstick fractures that would come before the final breaks.
Oh, he thought. Oh, this is bad.
...
With Anakin's grip on his wrists bending his arms near to breaking, forcing both their lightsabers down in a slow but unstoppable arc, Obi-Wan let go.
Source: Revenge of the Sith
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Obi-Wan was one of the few Jedi in the order who would’ve been capable of taking general Grevious in a 1v1. He was literally designed to kill Jedi in lightsaber Combat , but Obi-Wans mastered form was a perfect match for grevious. In the books I believe it said he was defending over 20 strikes a second. & even though Anakin had the strongest connection to the force ever recorded he matched him with force push & defeated him in lightsaber combat. Although I’ll admit it came down to experience and Anakins arrogance, defeating dark side anakin is a huge feat.
Obiwan matched the dark side amped Anakins force push.
Great video about the greatest jedi ever! You good sir have earn my subscription!
Great job with this insight
Let’s go six! Keep it up with the Star Wars content my brother
Here's the thing about Obi Wan vs Anakin at the end of episode 3. There were other statements that Anakin and Obi Wan were = in strength and skill. I don't remember if they were from the novels or other sources, but even with Anakin being conflicted, his Dark Side amps made him stronger than he was previously.
And the part about Obi-Wan keeping up only due to knowing Anakin's moves doesn't exactly make sense or hold up since Anakin also knows all of Obi Wan's moves. Their knowledge cancels each other out. That and Anakin was amped more than usual due to the Dark Side
I believe it was said somewhere that as Anakin kept amping himself with the Dark Side, Obi-Wan tapped into the living force, getting into a flow state or the zone, similar to the Grevious fight, but at a much higher level iirc
Great vid!
Love the Star Wars power scaling can’t wait for Vader vs obito! Keep it up
What I always loved about obi-wan in the eu was he had the lowest midi-chlorian count on the council and it was through hard work and dedication he even made it on the council. Cannon kenobi doesn’t have nearly enough feats to show that progression we see in the eu.
Good vid Six, could you please cover Mace Windu? I know I'm not the only one that wants to see this video.
Power scale master yoda or baby Yoda (grogu) next please! Love the Star Wars content and your normal anime videos too
I'd love to see you cover Eragon if you could, the Inheritance Cycle has really interesting combat and magic rules that I think people would be interested in you discussing.
Hey Six, I think you should have covered Obi-wan's final fight with Maul in Starwars Rebels. That fight is truly the peak of mastery for Obi-wan. As flashy and famously long as the Anakin/Obi-wan fight was, the final fight between Obi-wan and Maul was finished after only three blows. But the importance of the fight lies in the narrative and story of the stances they take as they size each other up both being absolute masters of lightsaber combat and eternal enemies (at least in maul's eyes) at this point. You should give that scene a watch and maybe watch a break down of it.
Maul was nerfed in that fight if he was at full power he would have speed blitzed and slapped Obi wan
@@Vader255 Got any source on that, Chief?
@@Vader255 and obi-wan is like 20 years past his prime, between phantom menace and the rebels fight, obi-wan became a knight, then a jedi master, then a member of the high council, maul never went any training past being a sith assassin, lol
@@MoonMannPlus yeah we see in the show maul walking around in the desert for days and we see his cybernetics are rusting a well witch is also a nerf.
@@randomt800kiddo2 that doesn't matter maul is just stated around the level of vader by dave filoni witch puts him above obi wan. Also maul was a sith apprentice not assassin palpatine even stated this in his secrets of the sith book. Maul as well trains before rebels where it's stated he mastered his skills and even learned the same kind of magic his mother uses. Maul as well trains even after he stops being a sith apprentice. Obi wan ranking up doesn't matter as we know even the weakest of jedi can become jedi masters. Maul I'd say has better skill than obi wan. Maul is stated to have mastered form 7 and form 6 he as well is called the master of the double sided lightsaber. He is also stated above dooku in dueling in the everything you need to know about star wars guide. Maul also does well against palpatine in their duel where it's stated near the end palpatine went all out.
Nice vid! Glad to see more Star Wars scaling!
Love the vid. Please do one on Anakin!
determination amp 🤣. I would like a Luke breakdown I'd definitely watch 🔥🔥🔥
Yes Six, you did well. Please do more Star Wars. -Particularly anything involving the Clone Wars-
Obits and Vader are both of my favorite characters can’t wait for that video
Ayyy can’t wait for the Star Wars content!!
Great video
Dude I would absolutely love more Star Wars content!!
It would be cool if you made a video with Crisis he's the top star wars debater. Great video Six :)
AMAZINGGG THANKS MAN
Bring on the Star Wars content, Six!
Also, I've been living the new show. I think the controversy is totally unwarranted.
Just saw this!! I love ur naruto content been a fan for a while. And I still say obi wan is behind qui gon jin but hes definitely one of if not best jedi. But this universe is brutal so enjoy the feedback
This was cool. Would love to see one about Anakin
The star wars remix in the beginning is dope
Resourceful enough to find Kamino * goes to 2.5 star diner in Coruscant for information*
Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t it stated Dooku sought to defeat Obi-Wan first as form 3 was a direct counter to Dookus form as well as forcing it into a 1v1 with Anakin, increasing his chances of victory. Even though Anakin had more raw power than Obi-Wan, Dooku still viewed Kenobi as the greater threat due to his form 3 mastery and his normal combat shenanigans. I could be off here but I swear I read something about that.
Nice dude I can get behind this. Could we get a bobba fett brakedown.
Nice vid
Yo six good job on the obi wan video can you see about do a yoda one next and more
It would be nice to have an updated video now that kenobi and the second and 3rd fight with Darth Vader have happened
btw, some people on comicvine downplay the akatsuki, they say only War arc Bijuu are mountain level, nd akatsuki are nowhere near that
People on comicvine downplay everything, they say bleach caps at hill level
@@qrrov6728 I know
1 tailed naruto from part one was scaled to mountain level lol.
That’s just a lack of common sense.
Yeah no akatsuki scale to war arc bijuu who have multi continental feats. Comic vine people are idiots who can’t recognize that Naruto characters have high ap even though their destructive capacity isn’t anywhere close to their ap
I don’t know much about Starwars but this video was great
the sound effects in this video be killing me
Star Wars Scaling = Absolute W Video
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Obiwan seems like someone to get intimidated by someone's fame. Against unknown enemies he knows he has the force on his side. But up against the count, his faith seems to waver.
This is cool maybe do another on Vader/anikin
Hey Six i thought he stopped doing ataru after the mual fight to a more defensive style that exhaust his opponent but dooku had the fencing style which goes around his defensive while chipping away at that defense kenobi was known for? I could be wrong but thank you if you read this
You are definitely not wrong bro. Six is a lil new to this it seems. Loved the video tho
W vid six should do one on Maul. Yeah so six in the novel it says obi wan got an amp and only won due to luck. Maul as well was holding back
Obito vs Vader sounds badass
Love the Star Wars content
Surprise Six Star Wars video. Yesssss.
Great video. You should make How strong Luke Skywalker is Both Canon and Legends please
anakin doesnt get outplayed, that scene is sooooooo much deeper, when obi wan tells anakin dont do the flip move its cause he did it himself against maul, but anakins whole thing basically is he was better than obi wan and if obi wan could do it do maul, he could do the move against obi wan cause he is greater which makes sense but its the arrogance in the dark side speaking, there is guides basically saying all anakin had to do was wait and would of been fighting on land evenly with kenobi but instead he did the flip. Also Anakin/Vader is deeply traumatized by padme's death read the comics.
Audiobooks! They having music, sound effects, environmental effects, and even background sounds. Like listening to a movie!
i have absolutely zerooooooooooooooo interest in star wars but this with no context was still fun to watch, id def watch more of these
Am incredibly early
Let's watch this vid
Obi, is the the perfect example of the semi-talated guy who also has brains, and works extremely hard.
Need more star wars content🔥🔥🔥🔥
I would love to see these about other Jedi
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@sixfromtokyo
where did you get the character details like at 03:33 or at 03:45
are those from books or online pages ?
Plz do more
Vader vs Obito would be such a sick video to do. I hope it's done by seth too
If you didn't know, They've fought 4 times canonically.
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Would u consider doing a Star Wars tier list like how Swag and Seth did the Naruto one?
Could you do how strong is Kylo Ren? For all the general hate, he actually has a lot of pretty good feats with many statements and such. But honestly it depends on what you believe his scaling is.
I love Star Wars to death not only because I’m a fan and study outer space but my little sister introduced it to me and I absolutely love it
Gonna need that maul vs pain. Hatred vs hatred
Maul slappin
Legends Maul >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nagato > Canon Maul >/~ Pain
@@GeneFOX70 true
Im hyped for Obito vs Vader
My dad ran the projector for a new hope in theaters so my brothers and I grew up watching star wars. My mom told me she was kind of forced to like star wars because of how much she had to watch it. My parents and I watch new star wars stuff together. We all love obi Wan
Something you should keep in mind in the future when doing Star Wars power scaling is that there two different timelines, the Disney and the legends continuities. If you want to Chad awesome scaling go to the legends continuity. But if you want the week virgin scaling go to Disney.
Legends canon is stupid crazy lol. Luke collapsing black holes and just being a gigachad is what I live for
Please do old republic
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Don't really like star wars but that video was interesting af 👍
Great Video, little sad that you did mention during the midoclorian count that Obi wan actually has some of the worst levels among the jedi and he had to overcome that with his cunning intellect and years of training
Fuck Yeah Brah, More Star Wars Content That Shìt Hit
Now we need one on Mace Windu and Plo Koon.
I don’t remember if Rebels is canon, but Obi wan destroys Maul in their last fight requiring only 3 moves to kill him.
It is but maul was nerfed so the feat can't be used
@@Vader255 Interesting, I still think old Ben is actually really strong. He was fighting evenly with Vader until he sacrificed himself so Luke could escape without worrying about him.
If you can you should do Obi Wan Vs DMS Kakashi
It’ll be interesting to see how canon Star Wars characters are able to measure up to Naruto characters. Great video on Obi Wan though
On dooku's last fight Palpatine interfered with kenobi's force shield. That's why dooku was able to force choke and throw him around. And why in the movie it shows Palpatine everytime before kenobi gets hit
When are you releasing more jjk vids tho??
Count dooku was the master of quigon. Quigon is Obiwan’s master. Dooku knows a lot of the moves and tricks in obiwans arsenal by nature. Also, him losing to dooku, in a way, is plot. He performs incredibly well, but when the duo fights dooku, these moments are primarily focused on Ani’s tendency to tap into the dark side in dire situations. Obiwan is taken out the battle, to help showcase this.
Might need a slight update now that Kenobi is over lol. That did some almost Force Unleashed level stuff, which at least bends the Hell out of canon...
Not really the scaling is pretty much still the same all that happens is obi wan get amped and beats up on a conflicted vader witch does nothing for him
The reason maul lost is because he got cocky and got caught off guard by Obi wan
The force is strong with Six in this one 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
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A feat of Obi Wan I wanted to point out that I don't think you ever mentioned, he also use the force to reverse the polarity of Grievous' and later Anakin's cybernetic arm, to disarm them in both cases I believe. Not only could Obi Wan apply the force powerfully, but he did it in ways nobody even thought of. Many Jedi never did that to Grievous, and one can assume it's because they didn't think to and lacked the wits to pull it off.