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I think this duel really puts Kenobi's final duel with Maul in context as well. Maul was completely outmatched.
Yea 3 strikes and he down lol. Such difference
Maul walked through the desert for days, he was tired.
Cause it was all mental. That fight was more of a chess match than anything else. He played maul beautifully. If he allowed it to become a full-out scrum, it would have been far tougher.
@@na18sum Maul survived for 10 years in total solitude on a world with nothing but trash as far as the eye can see.
Without being able to digest/utilise food and liquid properly, since he lacked his abdomen and thus the intestinal outlets, which means that it is almost a miracle that he did not die of blood poisoning and multiple organ failure after a short time. Hiking through the desert for days should be child's play in this context.
Maul never was and never will be as powerfull as ROTS Anakin Skywalker and sure as hell nowere near Darth Vader in terms of actual power and skill.
"Outmatched"...stop it. Maul was definitely the better and overall more skilled duelist, but he was STILL to arrogant (like Anakin) and simply figured he had Obi-Wan figured out, and would easily beat him this last time, especially since Obi-Wan tool the same stance that Qui-Gon did when Maul killed him. Kenobi knew Maul would again be overconfident and took advantage of that to catch him off guard and kill him. He took advantage of Maul and Vader's lack of emotional control and arrogance to beat them, not his skills, which technically lagged behind the two Sith lords.
The light side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unatural
That's my line
The light side leads to anger and anger leads to hate and hate leads to suffering
Bingo. Light side has force ghosts and speaking to the dead, healing, mind trick, and certain Jedi like Windu and Luke Skywalker can just straight up use the dark side without ill consequences if they're anchored enough. The light has almost always outnumbered the dark throughout Star Wars history, and every single major villain is generally defeated by someone who is on the Light side but equally as powerful. Current canon Luke straight up says the Light is more powerful and that the Sith teach straight up lies, which considering the Sith's high failure rate in successfully conquering the galaxy is not a really controversial statement.
tldr the Dark side is overrated, the cookies are a lie, everyone hates you, and you have as much life expectancy as a Sith Lord as you do storming the beaches of Iwo Jima with a flamethrower on your back
@@mosesifyoullpardonthepun2846 so your saying there’s only the dark side?
@@mosesifyoullpardonthepun2846 OUR line
When they reveal his face and you can see the emotion in Obi-Wan's eyes I legit cried a few tears. A very emotional ending.
I thought I was the only one, it was a very moving scene
Yeah same here. Not to mention the distorted mix of Anakin's voice and Vader's mask was trippy but powerful.
Watch the rebela fight between vader and ahsoka that one is gold
@@DickDickDikc Hell yea thats another emotional scene.
Horrible ending that was only good for normies who are not fans at all.
Ewan McGregor has really mastered the role of Obi-Wan truly becoming him as if it were his destiny. As if he's actually been Kenobi this whole time. I mean even before the Prequels. I feel his emotion in the character. Obi-Wan is very special to Ewan and you can feel it.
Obi-Wan channeled his emotions in the same fashion as Dark Side users do.... except his attachment to Luke and Leia fueled him rather than hatred or anger and rage.
You know for all the time anakin screamed about obi wan being jealous of him and padme I kind of think he had a point obi wan leaves anakin to do but makes sure to insert himself into both of his kids lives and never even thinks of telling Vader about padmes true demise and the twins
@@postsniper-7532 you realize if he did that vader would take the kids and train them as sith
Nothing to do with attachments. Everything to do with him regaining hope. Hope for the future, because of what he’s seen of Leia and Luke, they restored his hope and hope to that degree is the most powerful boost a Jedi could ever get.
@@cyrussoltani9420 not necessarily. Vader would have realized Palpatine had lied and first try to kill his master in the sith, and would have either won hugely or lost incredibly. Vader's biggest struggle is with his anger and he wouldn't have been able to control himself when realizing the emperor had lied.
@@cyrussoltani9420 you do realize vaders turn to the darkside was almost solely based on sidious lying to him about how padme died lol and Luke literally turned Vader to the light side of the force after obi wan and Asoka failed to do it as soon as vader would have found out sidious lied he would have turns against him and went for his children
I loved how he calls him "Darth" at the end! So satisfying since that's what he calls him in A New Hope..!
Yep. It's almost like a slap in the face, not to call him by his whole title. He gave him a nickname after spanking his ass. 😆
@@frankwilliams3036LMAO
I personally think that when obi wan was buried under the dust and stones he realized that vader just took the high ground from him. which led to an unnormal force and combat boost with wich he defeated the darth
His desire to have the high ground is unbounded
Kenobi is immune the the high ground. If you take it he will take it back. Did it to maul and again to vader.
@@thechickenfriedredneck910 he is the high ground
Yes indeed
Same thing happened first time he fought maul
Obi-Wan used Rock Throw.
It’s super effective!
…87 times!
That was Rock Slide
Yep. I've been throwing rocks for years. It gets the job done 82% of the time.
I think Obi-Wan was at his physical prime in ROTS. However, I'd much rather spend time with this older Obi-Wan in Kenobi series era--more emotionally in touch with himself/no longer espousing the "no attachments" mantra, empathetic to weaknesses in others in the aftermath of his own mistakes, warm father figure, etc. These are all traits which are far more important to me than being strong with a lightsaber.
It feels like this kenobi would have been the master that anakin needed.
No it he got his strength from leia and Luke. He still has doubts but when he remember he got someone important to protect
@@jubajackson3345 nahhh Obi did fail Anakin the whole order did I kinda like how they show the flaws of the order…even yoda trying to fight sidious by himself kinda shows the arrogance of yodas thinking
I think kenobi also knows this is just anakin . I think that would give obi a great amount of confidence once he realizes this isn't a monster. It's just anakin . And how many times did obi won spar anakin. I can imagine tons
@@JohnDoe-og9ng Yo, who the F else was coming to help Yoda? They didn’t have anyone else to throw at Sideous. It was 1 v 1 for each of them. I feel like Yoda and Obi felt in the back of their mind, this was going to be their last stand, that neither would win. But at least it was their best chance. If you’ve ever had to go into something totally outmatched and felt you had to do it, you would understand this.
This is further backed up by them hiding (partially), and never returning to battle the dark side willingly together again. That was their only stand as “The Jedi”, until the next Gen. You can count this, but at the time of the original 6, that wasn’t what you were led to believe.
And had they both went to fight one of the two, the other would have shown up, and Vader and the Emperor would have totally destroyed Yoda and Obi if it was 2 v 2. Anikan could have held his own dueling for a few min against Obi’s D and Yodas offensive style while Sideous used some perverse force ability to wipe them out. They would have both been slaughtered.
I felt incredibly sad watching the duel, obviously I knew that Obi Wan would survive but seeing Vader/Anakin beneath the mask admitting it was his own fault why “Anakin died” was heartbreaking…
so then why did he say in episode 2 i am what you made me
@@fdgfdg2055 he meant about the suit when he said that. Obiwan made him need the suit
That's not what was meant at all. Vader says "I am not your failure, obi wan". 'Failure' here is referring to Anakin. As if he's saying "I am not Anakin" "I am not the failure that you taught". I've seen so many people misinterpret that...
I think Vader said that with an evil smirk on his face. He didn't want anybody taking credit for "killing" Anakin but him.
@@nicknavaro5484 he said it with a smirk because he knew he had lost the duel at that point, but still wanted to mentally torture obi wan as he see's him start to tear up after the half-face reveal
A thing to note:
Love is at the center of MANY emotions. Feeling emotional pain comes from loss. Loss comes from love. Loss can turn into hate because emotions don't simply vanish; they change, yet their root remains the same.
It is why hate can be so powerful for the Sith, and love so powerful for the Jedi; they're from the same source, but love is far closer to the source, or very well IS the source. It's why Vader is so much more powerful when keeping his composure: he's finding the power derived from love in the storm of his rage, though he may not even realize that's what he's doing. He just know it works.
So Obi-Wan is so powerful here because he finally decides to connect with love, an emotion inherently derived from connection to the world around you, and thus the force. It is why Obi-Wan could finally see a certain someone at the end; he's connected to the world around him finally and not shutting himself out.
Not only that but hate has a lot more emotions closer to it then love does. Anger, jealousy, sadness, regret and so on. Where as love really only has love, and joy. There’s more emotions to give power in the dark side. At least that’s how I’ve come to terms with it.
What's more, Obiwan was not limited by the inhumanly Jedi Order's doctrine at this time. He just told the "no emotion" rubbish to fuck off.
Agree with this! This is exactly why Luke becomes so immensely powerful when he reaches his grandmaster tier, and is immensely powerful even at his younger, more inexperienced age. This is also why we see Jedi like Ezra Bridger becomes so powerful so fast. Ezra is also stated to have a very high midichlorian count close to Sidious or Yoda’s count which does below with his abilities but that’s beside the point. He lost everything as a child, and it’s his love and utter devotion for his friends that fuels him.
This wasn't a burst. Kenobi was too in control for it to just be a burst. Obi Wan wasn't naturally powerful, but his hard work and dedication made him powerful over time, a Jedi master and a member of the Council. He worked harder than anyone for that power. He was more dedicated to learning and mastering the Force than any other Jedi of his time. And yet, Obi Wan was always humble almost to the point of not recognising his own power. Remembering his duty to the Skywalker twins, he was able to restore his full power and connection to the force and used it to defeat Vader. He wasn't holding back like he did on Mustafar because he didn't want to fight his brother. He was fighting for the future of the Skywalkers and he unleashed the power he had always had but restrained the last time he fought Vader. His speed and use of the force surprised Vader who arrogantly believed, as he had for a long time, that he was more powerful than Obi Wan. I think a lot of fans need to learn, as Vader learned twice, Obi Wan deserves more credit and respect than he gets. He's fought Vader three times. Twice he's outmatched and beaten Vader. Do it once and maybe it's luck. Do it twice and.... well, there's no such thing as luck.
I never forget that he is as wise as Master Yoda and as powerful as Master Windu!
also the 3rd time he basically let vader win
correct other then the fact u say he held back on mustafar he didnt hold back lmao he was trying
@@juiced117 He was definitely trying but he was still holding back a bit
Obi Wan is my favorite Jedi for the reason that he has worked harder than anyone and trained anakin and stood by his side until he had to fight him and even with the huge difference in mitochlorian count his hard work payed off twice to beat Vader and when he lost he was old and had accepted that it was his time to die as he let Vader kill him. I think he is the most heroic out of any Jedi and should be known as one of the most respected.
Obi Wan was always the SMARTER duelist. Fully aware of his own strengths and weaknesses, also very humble as shown where he despised blasters, but when outmatched or outnumbered, would resort to using blasters after calling them "primitive" before. Obi's greatest strength was adapting and remaining true to himself, meaning he never underestimated his opponents or got too cocky. He's a textbook Jedi.
I think Obi wan was this powerful at this moment in time because he allowed himself to fully tap into the force in ways he never has before by letting go of his PTSD, Self doubt & depression of the prior events in his life.
He stopped caring about what has happened & is fully living in the now ✊🏾.
LOL, he was that powerful at that moment because the WRITERS needed him to be to tell the story. It's called power creep.
With each successive show in the franchise characters have to become more powerful, more dazzling with new abilities so that the viewer isn't bored to tears.
Qui gon said it to him in episode 1 when he told him not to let his thoughts distract him. Be mindful of the present.
@@JWest29
Facts jhon 🔥🔥🔥
I think desperation brought the raw offense out of him. If he didn't give it his all to win, everything could be potentially lost.
I also think part of the reason Obi won is because Vader/Anakin was so familiar with Obi and how he fights. Obi was always defensive, so a sudden radical shift in his fighting style probably took Vader off guard and let Obi Wan get the advantage in the duel.
Thats a perfect take on the fight
Same thing happens when a younger sibling gets pushed too far and that rage comes out…big brother gets scared then!
I think Obi-wan got the upper hand when he started using his body and not just his lightsaber to strike Vader. Slight pushes and pulls as he moved, going after the suit, using the skills he had to use when not attuned to the force in combination with using the force now at his full ability.
@@johnathanwalker8395 also attacked the crappy suit one smack n that shit was struggling
And then walked away without finishing the job again. Poor writing in the build up to this fight.
Imagine if this happened.
Vader: "And that's why I will destroy you!"
Obi-Wan: "Padme told me, before she died that there was still good in you. I see that it's gone."
Vader: "Yes.. it's.. wait.. I didn't kill her?"
Obi-Wan: "What? No, she died like a few hours later of a broken heart."
Vader: "But Palpatine said that I...."
Obi-Wan: "It seems your master is keeping secrets from you."
He instead committed domestic assault. That's soooooooooo much better!
Leia in particular helped him remember why he was a jedi in the first place, to protect and serve. It was foreshadowed at the start of the episode when Obi Wan prioritised the refugees and civilians. It's a very similar scene to Dark Knight Rises with Bane and the police. When Bruce allows others to help.
That is kinda a stretch but I do understand the analogy. Im pretty sure if my memory is correct, B-Man didn’t have a ton of options. Bane had an army and they were out of time. Not the same situation. But I won’t hate on the analogy. I do understand the slight comparison. Same implications, different motivations.
@@drakevswaynebeef734 You're looking at details that are irrelevant to the comparison. Batman targeted his mask like Kenobi targeted the suit. Also Kenobi had no options either other than die in a hole... hmm I wonder who else was left to die in a pit.
He went full Samurai. To serve.
Now, we may have new stories of Obi Wan Kenobi. I would love to see his training with Qui Gon, and more of Leia and Luke growing, more of Roken, The Path and Raja, I would love to know more of Reva and Quinlan Vos. Obi Wan Kenobi gave us much more than I expected. I would like to know more of the younglings at the Jedi Temple. For me passion and love are two different things. Obi Wan showed again how to love with balance. We saw it with Satine. Now with Anakin, Leia, Luke and The Path community. Obi Wan always showed his best when he has people in need to help. It's the most beautiful and rare love one can feels for another.
In my opinion, Rey should have somehow been the grand daughter of Obiwan and Satine.
Yes! A selfless love. Not a love for what he can get out of it, but a decided or committed love for others even to the point of great sacrifice or risk.
Lol id rather just see obi wan
This is spot on. Obi-Wan’s love and sense of duty towards the twins powered him through the duel. It was impressive and badass.
“Don’t get me wrong, Obi-Wan is a great mentor. He’s as wise as Master Yoda and as powerful as Master Windu” - Anakin Skywalker
So why are we surprised?
That's just Anakin showering praise upon his mentor as all students do. And rightly so because Obi Wan in my opinion is one of the greatest of all the Jedi, if not the greatest. But for his forbearance, discipline and heart, not his wisdom or power.
He certainly wasn't as wise as Yoda (who has 800 years of experience). And he definitely wasn't as powerful as Mace Windu who legitimately defeated Palpatine (George Lucas confirms this) as Yoda told him in ROTS to fight Anakin because he wasn't powerful enough to defeat sidious.
If Anakin actually praised someone for skill/power or anything else it's a great honor. Especially if taken into account that he's pretty arrogant and thinks of himself as the goat.
Obi Wan has an incredible mind. He is disciplined and has out thought his opponents, students, and peers almost every time since loosing his master. Dooku did get the best of him a couple times...
Don’t forget the Jedi forbid attachment because they believe it makes a Jedi weaker. Obi wan really comes full circle here and channels his emotions regarding Leia/Luke in a healthy way. The Jedi forbade attachment but attachment made obi wan powerful. It’s such a qui gon thing to go against the wishes of what the Jedi would have wanted
They don’t believe attachment makes a Jedi weaker. They believe it makes them dangerous.
@@PennSavvy Exactly. Attachment leads to fear of loss, which as Yoda says, is the path to the Dark Side.
@@PennSavvy more just the idea it would lead them down the path of the dark side than blatant danger.
@@PennSavvy Yes sir! Ben needed to be dangerous while still walking within the lightside of the force, so he tapped into the raw source without being corrupted. The Legendary Grandmaster Obi-Wan Kenobi! I cried with this episode, him apologizing to Anakin...broke my heart, man!
@@texasvet2729 Yoda was also a fool with some of the shit he said to Anakin.
Anakin is obviously struggling, actively seeking help.
what does Yoda say? "let go, you must" ... thanks buddy, real helpful.
according to Yoda's teachings, anything can lead to the dark side, like a food? a path to the darkside it can be.
Vader really needed to say, "and now obi-wan, I have the high ground"
I was expecting that to happen too. I'm sure everyone expect that.
Hard work beats talent every time.
Hard work with a little talent is better 😉 than just talent
I agree with your theory. Not unlike Luke when Vader learned of his sister in RTJ.
Crazy thing about what that guy about say about the video I was saying the same thing of Luke and leia was obi wan strength and he got over hundred like then me. Some person hate when you are right sometimes
I always looked at that scene in rotj where Luke actually tapped into the dark side you can see the anger on his face
@@Veganmilkdrinker it could have been a slippery slope but I disagree about him actually tapping into the dark side. He was protecting his sister.
@@Sidni81 but if you watch it it's clearly unrestrained anger/passion and after he strikes vader you can nearly see the "what have I done" look in his eyes. That's why he throws down his Saber, he'd rather die a jedi than fight like a sith and win. That's just my take anyways
@@Veganmilkdrinker I think he sees more what he could potentially become if he went down that path. And it really hits him at that moment.
Man, I wish we had seen Kenobi cross blades with an Inquisitor...
Same
he would have absolutely clapped any of them
By the last expsiode reva would be dead on seconds he would have destroyed any of them but before thr 4th episode the grand enquisror might have killed him
That would be cool for story telling stand point.
But it has to be prior to his re-awakening in the force. otherwise it would totally be one-sided.
The inquisitors are nowhere near the level of Jedi Master, let alone the best form 3 master like Obi Wan.
He wouldn't even need a lightsaber against an Inquisitor. He'd just take theirs out of their hand like Ahsoka did in Rebels.
This was such a great mini series! Sure we can debate on its little inadequate inaccuracies, but to be fair, did it really matter?..........look at how riveting it was. It gave so much in showing what all occurred in the time that past between revenge of the sith to a new hope. I loved it! I hope they make more just like this one. It was perfect in my opinion.
The battle between obi and Vader was riveting. Everything else was a complete cluster fuck
Perfect explanation for me. I'm probably older than the majority of your audience but I've been a Star Wars fan since day one literally. It was the 1st movie I've ever went to at 6 years old. The Obi-Wan episodes are epic and explains all of the questions I've had all of these years like why was Vader afraid of him. Now I know fully why, he was the only Jedi who humbled him twice. As a whole man and as a machine, Vader has never been able to defeat him no matter his vaunted strength. He'll always be Obi-Wan student, never his master. Him accepting that and through the love of his son let him embrace it and he became immortal with his brother in arms.
I think you hit the nail right on the head with your interpretation. I also feel that it is true in the real life spiritual journey as well. This "Truth" or "loving passion" as you refer to it, can only be found between the "yes" and the "no". Just as it has been said with music... that it is not just the notes but the spaces between the notes as well that make up music!
All things in balance. It is like a saying I dreamt up which says, " Use The Force without force" ✌️💖🙏🙌
Obi-Wan exploited 2 weaknesses of Vader : his breathing apparel, and his lack of mobility. Ben has his natural limbs which allows him to move effortlessly unlike Vader, who maybe stronger in sheer force, but lacks composure in their duel. Obi-Wan is composed, focused and fully engaged. And what an epic battle it was, when Ben goes to the offense, wow! One can truly guess how powerful could Yoda and Mace Windu could turn out, when they mixed anger and focus/calm. The perfect shade of grey as you so well pointed out, or the passion.
Only reason obi wan won was beacuse he dueled anakin if obi wan dueled a full fledge vader that we see in canon comics vader would destroy obi wan
@@hellothere6136 Only is an adjective that an arrogant Sith would use. While I do find your powers (lack of reasonning) weak and your lack of faith disturbing, as Stupendous mentionned, Anakin/Vader looses his cool on this duel on top of being over confident and cocky (Did you truly think you would defeat me?) Ah yeah remember Mustafar and the high ground? This has always been Anakin's weakness: his obsession to win (flashback ep 05) and his arrogance, as it was for Palpatine in EP 06.
Furthermore, the Sith maybe more powerful in their use of the force, but the Jedi's calm and coolness works to their advantage in lightsaber combat, in their ability to keep their emotion in check, stay calm & collected.
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Infil'a put up a fierce fight against Vader, almost killing him by throwing the Sith Lord off of a cliff.
So the myth of the almighty invicible Vader is truly dispelled here my friend...
@@funkyjeff77 The jedi that pushed vader off The cliff was when vader was newly created. And vader is always calm and controll his rage thats why vader was out of chareter in The duel with obi beacuse anakin showed up and that made vader weaker also. Thats why palptine needed to remiend vader to forgett his old life beacuse that threatens vaders powers
@@hellothere6136 Vader was at his strongest WHEN he was newly created as you mentionned. Obi-Wan disconnected himself from the force for 10 years, Obi-Wan while not as strong as Dooku or Yoda was a wise and cunning warrior (Clone wars years). Did you watch Revenge of the Sith at all? Vader's ass was kicked ! So much so that Ben didn't bother to finish him off...Vader was absolutely not in control of his rage with Obi-Wan, it's one of the reasons he lost. Also Anakin > Vader....This bickering is pointless.
Nah, it’s because it’s a TV show, and the only way they could meet again within the confines of this universe is to tell an improbable story of how Obi didn’t get ruthlessly murdered by the hands of Darth Vader Anikan Skywalker. There is no series with them meeting up to fight without Obi escaping and if they are going to fight in the context of a television show, then they have to bend reality somehow to keep Obi alive so they don’t completely ruin the universe, which doesn’t really need to be said because it’s that obvious.
I don't think its been touched upon but obviously throughout the series Obi Wan has been looking to connect with Qui Gonn and only after he let go of the old Jedi ways and let love fuel him did his old master appear. Its almost like he knew Obi Wan was ready for whatever training came next.
Something that just came to mind is that when Obi-Wan was buried in that pit, he was haunted by the past. I would say that was the very weakness Vader sensed in him. Only when he brought his focus "here and now, where it belongs" did he find the strength to break free.
"Oh! You thought I was a Form III Master because I was too weak for anything else? Here, have some form Form V. And some Form VI. You think I didn't go H.A.M. on Maul with Form IV? Have some of that too. Check your arrogance kid, I was legendary before anyone knew your name."
Kenobi wasn't a Soresu main because he was weak, he chose it for himself after Naboo, because he knew it was the ideal way to be a jedi - non-controversial, protective, practical, conservative, the perfect way to serve the galaxy and the will of the force. While everyone else assumed it was weakness and inability, it was actually chosen through strength of character and restraint. Anyone who believed he actually couldn't do anything else, didn't understand the man at all.
Yeah I think people forget that Form III was only one of Kenobi’s forms, and that Form IV was his original form and the one that he used during both of his fights against the suited Vader and against Maul.
People conveniently forget little details, like Qui-Gon Jin being his Master and Qui-Gon being an Ataru Master, which he of course taught to Kenobi and which they both employ against Maul. Kenobi never forgot the other forms, he just, as you said, chose to primarily wield Soresu, because that reflected his character and philosophy.
I think a lot of this comes from that dumb ass moment in ROTS where Dooku takes him out so easily. It was clearly done for pacing in a movie that was already going to have the longest fight scene in cinema history up to that point and as short hand to show us how powerful Anakin was becoming. If thay had just devoted another 30 seconds to having Obi put up an actual fight in that one scene, we wouldn't have all this Obi-Wan is weak or average nonsense floating around for the last 20 something years.
Dude whooped Anakin, Vader, Greivous, Darth Maul, and Ventress. He’s just a badass.
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Notice that Obi Wan was thinking of Leia and Luke, before he used the Force to escape,thus fueled his power's,kinda like Darth Vader hate and anger. IDK,but I loved it
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Everybody talks about how the blue light on Anakins face is symbolic and excellent but fail to mention the same happens to obi-wan when he tries to speak to anakin and he gets his reassurance the blue light is covering obi wans face (i think symbolizing the slight hope anakin/the light is still inside anakin somewhere) but then vader speaks and the blue light disappears from obi wans face as he comes to terms with the reality that it’s still Vader standing in front of him then they cut to the red completely engulfing vaders face to show he’s fully givin back into the dark side… overall i think the fight was very well done and enjoyed every second of it!
GREAT VIDEO and explanation. Thanks for posting.
Dude I love your videos and this one was one of the best good job
My interpretation of this duel is that this is the moment Kenobi finally becomes connected to the living force. Ever since he was a young man in episode 1 Qui Gon had instructed Obi Wan to be mindful of the living force as his master was, and throughout the prequel trilogy we see that Kenobi doesn’t follow in his master’s footsteps, but rather becomes the poster child of the dogma of the Jedi order. He is extremely skilled, but still solely relies on his own (relatively weak) connection to the force as he believes he is duty bound to do.
Throughout the Kenobi series we are shown Ben falling back on his “duty” as laid out in the Jedi code and by Yoda at the end of ROTS. For the first half of the series he doesn’t want to be doing the things he’s doing, he just feels he is supposed to because he is a Jedi. Its only after he connects with Leia that he begins to WANT to work with others and take a stand against Vader. He starts drawing power from more than just himself and his duty, but also from his allies and their passion for what is right. Its important to note that the Path is made up of people the Jedi would historically have defended, but who are now stepping up to protect the Jedi and doing it without force powers. They are a lesson to Ben about how one person, no matter how powerful, is not enough to stop evil.
So in that moment under the rubble, Ben finally lets go of the last of his sole reliance on his own power. He lets his love of the Skywalkers, including Anakin, come to the forefront and he becomes connected to the living force through them. When we see him go on the offensive next, he’s not only using his power, the force itself is strengthening him through his connection to it.
This explains two things that happen after the duel as well. First, he stops butting heads with Owen over how Luke is being raised. He realizes that protecting Luke is not a job he can do by himself, and puts his faith in the force connecting him to Luke when he is needed (it does in episode 4). Finally, after decades Ben is able to reconnect with Qui Gon, his old master. After all these years, he has finally accomplished the first task we see his master give him. He heads into the desert a fundamentally changed man, and starts the journey to the wise master we will see in ANH.
Wow, didn’t mean for this to be so rambly. Thanks to anyone who stuck through the whole thing.
+ Seth Littrell It was great.
Anakin was the *_Allen Iverson_* of Force Users.... lots of raw talent but not much practice and effort.
Obi-Wan was more like Grant Hill or Tim Duncan... focused on the fundamentals rather than raw talent and showboating.
Haha I'd say Anakin was more like Lebron with unparalleled raw talent, but unable to fully harness it in all of the biggest moments throughout his career.
Obi-Wan was like Kobe, determination, extreme skill and *force* of will in the most crucial moments.
...plus, Iverson was only 6ft tall! Despite his famous interview ("practice!?"), I think he generally had to work and practice harder than most
Excellent analogy.
@@VincesInHocSigno obviously not cause he didn’t even go
@@qdakid7776 um, no.
Does that Make Mace Windu Jordan?
I think it makes him Jordan.
bro you nailed the analysis! Thank you for what you do.... life is challenging of late.... at least for me.... your channel makes me smile. Thank you.
I dunno man, when he Force pushed Grievous in episode 3 he sent him flying pretty damn far into the air. That seems on par with his Vader Force push. Maybe not the rocks part though. Still think people kinda undersell Obi's Force power though.
That’s against grevious to push another force user you have to break they force wall and then push them so u could say this push was much stronger
I agree
So many people underestimate Obi Wan's abilities in the force. Obi Wan was anything but a showboat and only pursued power for the sake of helping others. Obi Wan had some serious power and skill, and when he goes into all business mode, you get a taste of his true power. Like when he fights Darth Maul on Naboo and he kicks it into high gear after seeing Qui-Gon run through, even Maul had trouble adjusting and catching up to Obi Wan's speed, getting his saber staff cut in half. Or when he finally puts an end to Maul to protect Luke. Took him out in three moves! Or when he beat Darth Vader in ROTS. Yet people always have stupid excuses as to why Obi Wan wins. It's ridiculous! So it's very refreshing to see Obi Wan cut loose and put on a display of his true power in the force and give a very powerful ten year vet Darth Vader an ass whooping.
@@catmandu6776 how did what he do in rots show he was powerful ? he getting man handled the entire time he literally never attacked back until anakin literally threw himself at him for no reason if he wasn’t so naive obi would b toast
@@IlmaliklI i guess you didn’t see the part when kenobi literally stalemated anakins force push in rots lol
I like all the theories that have come out. I believe two different incidents encapsulate how Obi-Wan is at the height of his powers here & how he was able to defeat Vader.
First, we get some insight from Master Yoda in Empire. He tells Luke during training: Luke asks if the Dark Side is stronger. “No, quicker, easier, more seductive.“ Just like committing a crime. A person can steal something without having to pay for it which is seductive & easier than having to work & earn to pay for something. Anyway, Luke then asks how he will know the light from the dark side. Master Yoda sternly states “You will know when you are calm, at peace….passive.” Another insight from Yoda is in this quote: “Only a fully-trained Jedi Knight, with the Force as his ally, will conquer Vader and his Emperor.”
Anakin was naturally gifted & intrinsically powerful. This along with other factors contributed to his arrogance & overconfidence. He didn’t have to work as hard because he was so powerful. Conversely, Obi-Wan worked ceaselessly at his crafted. He wasn’t naturally gifted but through sheer will, a great work ethic & endless optimism in the belief of the goodness of the Jedi’s way did Obi-Wan reach the peaks of being such a powerful Jedi trusting in the force as his ally.
So it was a combination of things: being fully training, believing in himself & in the hope for a better future especially with the Skywalker children but we gain even more insight from the incredible Part 5 flashbacks of Obi-Wan & Anakin training on Coruscant. Here we get a glimpse of Obi-Wan’s secret weapon. During the flashbacks we see Obi-Wan critic the arrogant Anakin who screams Obi-Wan’s “gonna lose.” We see a glimpse of Anakin’s aggressive side because “mercy doesn’t defeat the enemy” which is a portent of the Mercy Obi-Wan will show a defeated Vader later. Further on during the flashbacks we see Anakin’s incessant desire to win & his need to always prove himself blinds him to the more important things. Anakin’s aggression & blinding need for victory & to prove himself no matter the cost is the polar opposite Yoda talked about in his “at peace…calm…passive” wisdom.
Anakin always shifts back & forth between being overly aggressive as opposed to being calm. Anakin bounces between arrogance & humility. He knows he should be calm but desires more power & validation which blinded him. We learn so much from the flashback training duel scene. All the seeds of Anakin’s downfall were small but there as we look back on all the moments that sent him down the dark side path. Conversely the final nugget to Obi-Wan reaching the height of his powers was that including all of Yoda’s wisdom which we see in Obi-Wan like calmness & being at peace…Obi-Wan’s greatest gift besides his hard work was his supreme ability to be balanced. Anakin was unbalanced as he let bad emotions get the better of him. Obi-Wan was always even keeled never at risk of succumbing to anger or fear. He is even keeled which along with his hard work gave him laser focus & made him a powerful jedi.
Episode 6 was amazing & the second Vader vs Kenobi fight was incredible. It was emotional & moving. We really see how a a fully-trained Jedi Knight like Obi-Wan who trusts in the force & believes in the good & the light is able to overcome the passion & power of the Sith. What a sight to behold. It also buttresses the idea or maybe revalidates that Obi-Wan is one of the most pivotal & important characters of the Episode 1-6 saga. He should be revered as being one of most impressive Jedi Kights to have ever lived as well. Master Yoda & Mace Windu have competition.
Anyway, got a little more long winded than I had hoped but wanted to thoroughly explain my theory on Obi-Wan in Own Mode. Probably watched the fight 10 times already.
Keep up the great work Stupendous.😉
We're talking about a member of the Jedi Council. Top 10, folks.
I’m glad you made this video for the Star Wars family. I think many didn’t see this perspective of the fight. I thought it was awesome to see this arc of power from him! 4 he is often overlooked and underestimated’
I don't think it was love and duty that gave him power. I think he let go of his attachment to the past and realized that the force is about the future. His flashbacks are starting about all his regrets in the past and end with him looking at the future.
He's also saying it to the rebels "you are the future" and he also accepts that Luke has to grow up as just a boy and not be under constant surveillance until he shows his connection to the force. There he let's go of the attachment of "having to train Luke and his duty" (as you put it) and accepts that he has to trust the force over everything. He's literally saying it "The future will take care of itself". It's not his compassion, duty and love that gives him the power, it's realizing that the force isn't about dwelling on attachments to the past and trust in the will of the force. He realized that it's not the will of the force for him to end this conflict, but the purpose of Luke and Leia to do so, which is also why he didn't kill Vader, in my opinion. He accepted that whatever happens, has to happen.
yeah but what was holding him down against dooku? we're j gonna accept that the most powerful version of kenobi is after 10 years of doing nothing and not bad writing? He was never straight-up strong in the force, he had to work for everything and in one episode, they made him capable of overpowering one of the strongest duelist's ever. Whole duel on mustafar was kenobi on the defensive because that's all he could do. Yk jedi master kenobi... the master of soresu... and the embodiment of what it means to be a jedi through dedication and commitment rather than raw power. Thought that was why he was so beloved. Now we're supposed to believe he is stronger than that version, doesn't make smarter decisions, but j has an emotional anime/disney moment and can now push back fcking darth vader with not j the force but saber swings too like yeah that adds up with what we know about the characters... They j wanted a cool looking ending. Kinda like showing Rey overpowering the Emperor, j no one cared about Rey by then. Should be concerned about how Disney handles their characters a lot more
My thought exactly.
In first "duel" in the series Ben was a broken man, so he tried to flee and lost.
In first part of the second duel he went back to beeing a Jedi of the Order and he lost.
In second part, he became sevant of the Force so he won and walked away
@@bartswitalski Perfectly put. And becoming a true servant of the force made it possible to see Qui Gon in the end.
Jedi, and Obi Wan in particular rarely use sheer power but when they do, they can be quite impressive.
To be fair Lucas himself has it in his original notes that at the time of The New Hope old Ben is as powerful as the Emperor (then according to the old notes, Palpatine receives some kind of power boost after episode 4). They are just old notes, but in my headcanon old Ben is the man, and what we witnessed is not a temporary surge of power, rather the next stage of Obi-Wan's evolution.
Well, the difference between the old Obi Wan Kenobi and the new Ben Kenobi is that Ben is like Revan. A man who learnt to use the positive emotions instead of suppressing them. He's the perfect Jedi master. It's exactly what allowed the two of them to reach a level that no one had before.
I like this head canon. And the comment of being like Revan - using positive emotions. This is now my head canon.
"To fight this Lord Sidious, strong enough you are not." Yoda and George Lucas seem to have a difference of opinion. :)
@@gasorg During the Revenge of the Sith, nope. But the current Kenobi is, Yes.
@@praveenloganathan7495 I agree.
This explanation of being in control of your emotions is what enables you to progress higher in all martial arts. very on point
I think this is a great take on how it all went down ... Well said !
I like everything about this fight scene except for the rock throwing. Just seemed too overpowered. I'll tell you what though to see Anakin's face and the way they shot that I'm speechless it was amazing.
Disney doesn’t know how lightsaber duels work, so they put in all these rock throwing things and a bunch of other nonsense.
@@matthewtanous7905 I agree the rock throwing part was way overpowered I did not like that at all. Completely over the top for such a dramatic sequence. Everything after the rock throwing stoped that was one of the best Star wars scenes I've ever witnessed. It's never good story writing in a film like this to make your character seem like Mario just caught a star. That was definitely too much. Maybe throw in a rock or two or just pulling down one of those Rock structures I could reconcile that but picking up dozens of them just removes you from the immersion. I've rewatched the scene a couple times but I always skip passed that part.
Two things I will never tire of hearing in storied and life
1) the power of friendship
2) the power of love
It has to be told well still, but they are ever green
This made me so Happy, I’ve waisted for this since I was a kid💯💯 May the force be with you!
You are just so good at telling star wars tales! keep doing what your doing because your doing it right.
*Why did Riva survive being impaled twice, and the Grand Inquisitor too, but Qui Gon got bodied by the same injury?*
*-Star Wars Explained*
Because reva and the inquisitor feed off hate and emotion.
because in star wars people only die when it's convenient. if it wasn't so important for clock on to stay dead so Obi-Wan can train Anakin and fail at it then qui gon would have lived
Grand Inquisitor has 2 stomachs
@@Maki-qw8he same like Darth Maul.
I think while obi wan is no longer in his physical prime, he has through his abstinence of the force received enlightenment. Like you said, it is never about ignoring emotion or not having emotion, but to rely and feel those positive emotions and be fueled by them. He has attained something that he had once before in his first fight with Maul. He had the emotion to fuel his connection with the force. This leads to him being like a dam for the force where usually only small amounts of water come through. But this emotion opens every valve in him wide. He has more access to the force and can let the force operate through him. That is why his instincts and his fighting prowess came back. He might not remember but the force does. And that reinvigorated him to the point he could beat vader in a direct battle.
When it comes to jedi and sith physically they are stronger in later years there prime is not at a younger age.
@@foxskyful Their physical bodies age, but their proficiency with force augmentation grows stronger. Yoda is no spring chicken when moving normally but when he fights and uses force augmentation he is. Age doesnt make you stronger as far as i know.
Man another great video. You've nailed it to the ceiling with this and yesterday's video. Thanks for amazing content.
Yah last time I seen a comment like that it was a scam. Said I won a PS5 and all I had to do was pay $175 for the shipping.
This is so great to see. I think your bang on. He drew from his love for the skywalker children and promises he made. In that moment, his connection to the force swells. Finally old Ben realises he is not longer lost but has a purpose.
Obi wan is my favorite Jedi character in all of star wars cannon because he's a tragic character. When he was made a Jedi knight and given Anakin as a Padawan it was a massive mistake, he was truly a powerful Jedi destined for greatness but he was no qui Gon, he was powerful but he was inexperienced, and to essentially raise a kid like Anakin who had experienced so much trauma already he was wholly unprepared. Then you throw that same traumatized kid into the middle of a war zone while he's developing God like powers and expect obi wan to be able to counsel him with life experiences he's never had? Obi wan did everything he could but he couldn't save Anakin from his own self doubts, and in that final battle against his greatest failure vader he saw all of his mistakes but now he's lived 10 years as a man not a Jedi monk and realizes in that moment he won't fail luke and Lelia like he failed their father and channels all of that love and pain into force power rivaling yoda. It's an epic conclusion to such a great character, and sets forth the path luke walks, emotion makes the force stronger, but you must control your emotions and understand them, to lose yourself to them is the path to the dark side l, but on the far opposite side to feel nothing is to be weak in the force as you are a being foregoing living to understand the force which is the essence of life, how can you cherish and love life, the force if you've never allowed yourself to feel things like love, or pain? Obi wan mastered the force in that last battle and it was amazing. In their battle hate refined more than steal had made Anakin stronger than the former emotionless monk obi wan could ever be but an obi wan for the first time feeling the unconditional love that only a father could feel was able to overcome even Anakin's hate for a man that mutilated him left to fester for over 10 years.
you have a great way of describing a story. Well said👍
Excellent analysis.
You know the force isn’t real right? It’s just made up for the movies! 😜. The real truth is Obi Wan wanted to bang Padme and he was jealous of Anakin! It all comes down to Natalie Portman being hot! Had Obi Wan been in his Trainspotting, hay day then the whole galaxy would’ve turned out completely different and Hayden would’ve ended up with Jar Jar Binks because there was some serious sexual tension there between those two!
@@SlinkiestTortoise23 also an interesting break down we need a video to break down obi wan's sex appeal
@@SlinkiestTortoise23 not everyone has degraded morally, especially not obi wan
When watching throughout Star wars... Obi Wan was very powerful... His dedication to being defensive of life and being merciful has always held him back. Obi-Wan took Maul and Savage on and essentially beat them... Alone. Not as dominant as Sidious, but still a feat. Bested Vader really every time too. Never chose to finish him.
When he got more aggressive in this battle, it shows his true abilities when he didn't hold anything back. This was still form 3, he was just more aggressive in choosing his attack points.
It's form 3 pre rockslide. It's Anakins form 4 post...
Amazing perspective
Thanks for sharing
🎯🎯🎯
Something people forget is that Obi Wan was also proficient at Ataru
I think this scene showed that his eyes were finally closed, to all the emotions that blocked his abilities and his clouded mind. In that moment he became a Jedi who found the peace and purpose to attune himself fully to the force , his casue was to protect others and he let that pure motive achieve a balance to the force.
He could finally see, and in a way unlocked the abilty to beat a more powerful foe. Just my opinion 👍
Given this, when will Kenobi finally get some respect in those "top 10" lists of force users and lightsaber duelists?
I mean, what else does this guy need to do?
Star Wars fans care way too much about hypothetical power levels and not enough about feats and actual wins. Obi-Wan’s track record is easily one of the most impressive in that regard.
I loved this exploration of passion and how their the detachment of the Jedi is their significant point of weakness.
This was such a epic duel and such a incredible performance by Ewan McGregor when he broke down into tears at the end. Thank u for the content sir. 👏
I never understood how the Jedi could so badly misinterpret The Chosen One prophecy. To bring balance to something requires knowledge of both sides or all sides. Without experience you cannot know what is out of balance meaning you cannot attain balance. So Anakin would never have always been in the light as the Jedi had hoped. I'm sure they thought of "balance" as all light no dark, but that's not balance, it's domination.
I think George Lucas said the natural state of the force is light and dark is a corruption of it.
All light side is George Lucas’ interpretation of balance
The Darkside is imbalance
Lucas even said Anakin fulfilled the prophecy
When he killed sidious and vader at the end of return of the Jedi
@@Avonski Seems odd to me, that's all.
@@masonlee9423 To me that just doesn't make sense because without light there is no dark and vice versa. It would just be The Force. And as that huge dude said "They are two sides of the same coin. A coin which I wield." or something like that lol 😂
@@jdmmike7225 if there is no light there is only darkness and if
One does not require the other to exist
If you fill a room with light completely where is the darkness??
i knew he would defend the twins with his life and i’ve always loved obi wan so it was a great scene to me
Nice video bro!!! 👍🔥
The children were his new hope...Links nicely into the title of episode 4
Good content
I think this is spot on. I mentioned the same thing to my gf when he was under the rocks. I said "ah he's gonna think about Luke and Leia and get the strength to free himself, that's why Anakin was so powerful, he had always mastered that balance because he was fighting for other people. Sure he did bad stuff but to only bad people (from his point of view). I honestly loved that this was added because it reinforced that idea to explain why Anakin and even mace windu were very powerful.
But it was Quigon who channeled the force energy to him. Bet we’ll get that bit in the novelization.
and Luke who believed in this as well
nice job as always. you are a true student of the force
Excellent explanation!
He had an inspiration through the force and leveled up!
He definitely leveled up here, not only shown by beating Vader but by finally seeing Qui-Gon's force ghost. I dont know if its already been revealed that you should have a certain "level" or understanding of the force to be able to see the force ghosts but I think that Qui-Gon saying that he had always been with him kind of hints to that.
@@thebrainsack it seems clear that Obi-Wan had closed himself off largely from the Force. Over the course of the series we saw him rediscover his connection to the Force and then perhaps even surpass his old limits. It was really brilliantly done. Hats off to Ewan and Hayden for really selling that last exchange of words. Find me a more emotional moment in recent sci-fi. I'll wait.
with the love and caring that he has for the Skywalker children, plus knowing what has happen, I believe he found the power of the force much like Mace Windu did. and yes I know thats what your talking about.
Amazing about the passion of the light side of the force in Star Wars, fantastic job.
I wasn't planning on watching this series but this duel has changed my mind
believe it more that he channeled the where the lightside get power from protecting life or the connection with living people so maybe in a way attachment makes a jedi stronger
But the late Jedi council failed to allow the Jedi to use passion because they feared it
Loved your take on it. Completely agree
This duel was one of the best fight scenes I've ever seen. I have watched it 10 times already
Doesnt explain why Kenobi didnt finish off Vader. Vader took a light saber hit to his back, chest controls damaged, face maks torn open. Vader had trouble breathing. No reason why Kenobi shouldn't have killed a Sith. He was after all Palpatines right hand man to the Empire. Killing Vader would've helped the Resistance.
Because killing a downed opponent is a Sith tactic, not a Jedi one. Kenobi always walks in the light.
@@texasvet2729 Yeah because Obi Wan and many jedi believe in being merciful which Anakin lacked
@@texasvet2729 tell that to alderaan lmao
@@texasvet2729 So why did he want Luke to kill Vader and palpatine? If killing a downed opponent is not a Jedi tactic?
the sith kill everyone off so they have a stronger hold over the dark side of the force, wouldn't killing off all but a few jedi make the remaining jedi stronger force users?
Yes , this is part of the reason why ray was so OP
They kill off other people claiming to be Sith, but not all dark side users. There are other cults that channel the Force
Yes but also (with some exceptions), every Sith in the rule of 2 became more powerful from generation to generation. Which would actually make characters like Maul stronger than Bane believe it or not. The exceptions are ones like Plagueis and Sidious.
Wow, this has given me clarity to my own
I like your way of interpreting these things in a positive way while being so knowledgable of the lore (which i am not).
I loved that they gave them both depth and a proper arc over those 6 episodes while tying them into the prequels and IV.
I can't wait for more SW content.
What if Ashoka went to Mandalore with Obi-Wan and Anakin?
"You feel the power
Just feel the power of love
That's the power"
That display show that Kenobi and the true lightside are more powerful. If Vader was in his prime and that 80% power of the Emperor stated by George Lucas, means that Kenobi reached Yoda level at least in this moment.
Vader was nowhere near his prime, his peak is in ROTJ.
@@codesuzakugeass In ROTJ he was old and weaker like Obi wan.Even the Emperor wanted to replace him by Luke. Experience come to a cost too. Like Martial Arts you get wiser and more technical but the body weakens. Like Dokku lost to Anakin in Revenge of the Sith.
@@ShuangLongJingWu Sidious has always been looking for a better apprentice since ROTS, it has nothing to do with age. All to do with strength in the force, a weaker body does not mean much, when addressed with the increase in force power, as it augments ones physical capabilities far surpassing their own natural ability. The Novel and several other sources confirm Vader's growth.
"His power was great, now, greater than it had ever been. It shimmered from within, and resonated with the waves of darkness that flowed from the Emperor."
-- Return Of The Jedi
@@codesuzakugeass All the Sith had corruped bodies. Sidius always had to clone himself. Vader after ROTS also suffering from more decaying from the darkside. But if you want to understand this way is your point of view as I have mine.
@@ShuangLongJingWu Sidious only needed to clone himself after his death on the death star in ROTJ. Sith spirits can possess other bodies, if they are strong enough. The darkside doesn't shorten their life span, it just corrupts them. But feel to believe what you want.
Well done!!
One of the best series l have seen. Thank you
Gotta say I like this theory, as I have always felt that the prequel Jedi Order was too fearful of emotional attachments, forgetting that not all emotions are negative and being somewhat hypocritical as Jedi still mourn the passing of others (even to the point of attending funerals). Personally I like the idea that the prequel Jedi were flawed in their understanding of the FORCE and what balance truly meant due to their flawed view that emotional detachment would protect them from falling to the DARK SIDE!
obiwan was so powerful because he used the power of love and friendship lol
Great explanation makes sense
Best description ever. Full fucking circle. Will always love that first clash when Obi Wan fought Maul. Just watching his face when Qui Gon died. The bouncy step. It was like you could feel how anxious he was.
I know this is off topic but if reva can survive being STABBED twice I’m pretty sure mace windu is alive and can surivive 10 seconds of force lighting.
While plot certainly allows Mace "fellouta" Windu to come back under the "we never saw a corpse" principle, he would've been public enemy number 1 for his treason and hunted mercilessly if no splattered remains were found under the window, and this all took place at the heart of Palp's political power rather than some backwater, so it's completely reasonable to think he either died of the fall or was subsequently hunted down and killed.
Hello there
Great description 👏🏻🦅👏🏻
Great analysis
Real reason is because the PLOT never needed him to… 😆
Kanan Jerrus saving Ezra and Hera was an act of love. Kanan tapped into the Force to hold back the explosion so they could escape.
Very interesting video. Well written. I wouldn't disagree with what you're saying but I have an alternative lense to look at it through. When Kenobi is down in the rock pit and he's getting crushed, all we can hear is dialogue from Anakin & Vader, and I took it to be that he was despairing which pushes the jedi off balance, but then he starts thinking of Luke and Leia and that rejuvenates him, I think as you said it's him focusing in on his passion & better yet his compassion as a jedi that gave him his Strength. It's like a mini recreation of kenobis conversation with Bail in episode 1
I love this …thank you for sharing….HIGH 5😊😊😊😊😊😊