The Ethnicity of the Sea Peoples ~ Dr. Woudhuizen ~ Bronze Age Collapse

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  • čas přidán 4. 12. 2019
  • In this interview I talk to Dr. Woudhuizen about the Sea Peoples from a brief summary of the Late Bronze Age collapse, to primary sources, archaeological findings and finally the ethnicity of the Sea Peoples themselves. We cover a variety of topics from Luwian studies to the views of modern academia and also take a look at the Doctors passion in history as well. Check out the links below to his works including his paper on the Ethnicity of the Sea Peoples to get a more thorough view of his work on this very complex subject.
    Dr. Woudhuizen and his Academia Page: independent.academia.edu/Fred...
    Paper on The Ethnicity of the Sea Peoples: www.academia.edu/7287651/The_...
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    Dr. Frederik Christiaan Woudhuizen is an independent scholar who studies ancient Indo-European languages, hieroglyphic Luvian/Luwian, and Mediterranean protohistory.

Komentáře • 749

  • @MrWizeazz
    @MrWizeazz Před 3 lety +135

    That drum in the beginning got me so hyped up that I kinda wanted to go and sack Egypt with a bunch of my aquatic warriors. 😂

    • @Mel81818
      @Mel81818 Před 3 lety +5

      My hubby keeps rewinding back to the drums so it takes forever to get to the pgm lol

    • @mikemurphy5898
      @mikemurphy5898 Před 3 lety +9

      Bro, I'm totally in. I've got some hopalyte armor and a sword my grandfather used to behead a dwarf (so it's enchanted) lemme know when we roll.

    • @SliceofA.I.
      @SliceofA.I. Před 3 lety +1

      Subbed

    • @aarontighe553
      @aarontighe553 Před 3 lety +1

      Or go safari hunting with some giant caliber break barrel single-shot rifle and the little jumpsuit with shorts black boots and safari hat and a skinny Ethiopian guide named Mbala

    • @aarontighe553
      @aarontighe553 Před 3 lety +2

      @@mikemurphy5898 that wasn't a dwarf... And Gary Coleman will haunt you forever now

  • @SohanDsouza
    @SohanDsouza Před 3 lety +80

    **knock, knock**
    "Who's there?"
    "Sea people."
    "Sea people who?"
    "See people die as we sack your cities!"

    • @vijaykumarnadaraja1762
      @vijaykumarnadaraja1762 Před 3 lety

      I would have sodomised and then killed with boiling tar any Sea people warrior I got my hands on.

    • @joelasher78
      @joelasher78 Před 3 lety +1

      the Sea People's whom are those warriors that was a configuration of tribes that where off the cost of ashdod or maybe they made there ship's from the cedar of lebanon . look at the cost line look at Israel maybe the tribes of israel

    • @dandyrevisionist7879
      @dandyrevisionist7879 Před 3 lety

      Well they we're coloners from Italic peninsula so a bunch of girls that look like Valentina Nappi moving next door don't seem so horrid.

    • @adamrodaway1074
      @adamrodaway1074 Před 2 lety

      hahaha!
      4 people don't understand "knock, knock" jokes.

    • @joelasher78
      @joelasher78 Před 2 lety +1

      @@adamrodaway1074 ha ha see people die when the sea people are around.

  • @brianmccarthy5557
    @brianmccarthy5557 Před 3 lety +21

    Always love it when an academic says "Of course I studied Luvian."

  • @shardanette1
    @shardanette1 Před 4 lety +16

    What timing. I'm reading his paper with the same title right now. Can't wait to listen.

    • @studyofantiquityandthemidd4449
      @studyofantiquityandthemidd4449  Před 4 lety +2

      Let me know your thoughts! We had technical difficulties and had to wing it but I was excited and pleased nonetheless. Similar episodes coming!

  • @gzpo
    @gzpo Před 4 lety +9

    Love the musical prologue. 💖😎

  • @AbbeyRoadkill1
    @AbbeyRoadkill1 Před 4 lety +5

    Fantastic! Such a great channel. Big ups, Nick.

  • @samitheman9783
    @samitheman9783 Před 4 lety +9

    Excellent discussion. But the elephant in the room that was only briefly touched upon, if at all, in the discussion: What prompted the "Sea Peoples" desperate all-out-attack-plus-migration south and east?

  • @zachary8491
    @zachary8491 Před 4 lety +5

    Great video each minut i learned something
    Thanks to the doctor and you

  • @MarkVrem
    @MarkVrem Před 4 lety +10

    Love the intro beats and trumpets lol.

  • @ianbacon6782
    @ianbacon6782 Před 3 lety +1

    Thank you very much for the documentary, very insightful....

  • @multiversemagpie
    @multiversemagpie Před 3 lety +6

    Great to hear Dr. fred Woudhuizen .. would love to hear more from him. His books are quite expensive and not yet filtered into the mainstream, so well done and thank you for bringing him in and giving out the link to his paper on the sea peoples.i just downloaded the pdf and look forwards to reading through it.

  • @KevinArdala01
    @KevinArdala01 Před 4 lety +3

    Absolutely fascinating - love this subject - great interview! 😝👍

  • @robertturner9804
    @robertturner9804 Před 4 lety +16

    A profoundly interesting topic, and my thanks to the professor. I wonder how this coalition of at least nine diverse ethnicities came together and functioned during their tour of the Eastern Med. As I read the Egyptian accounts, it sounds like Rameses managed to drive a wedge between them, for example the "settling" of some in a couple of different places. Certainly we are left with a picture of very complex realtionships on all sides at the time of the collapse.

    • @michaelbedford8017
      @michaelbedford8017 Před 3 lety +1

      From what I can source on wiki, he
      certainly doesn't hold a professor's seat anywhere and hasn't impressed a book publisher enough to commit his ideas to print.
      Sounds a bit dodgy to me.

    • @nachtegaelw5389
      @nachtegaelw5389 Před 3 lety +4

      @@michaelbedford8017 he’s an independent researcher, and has been on a number of dig teams. He’s had papers published in journals. Just because he’s not a professor doesn’t mean he’s not credible.

  • @jonc9154
    @jonc9154 Před 4 lety +1

    I remeber watching your previous video a few months back, stoked to see if there are new answers

  • @Me2Lancer
    @Me2Lancer Před 4 lety +9

    I found this fascinating especially comments linking Sea Peoples to Central Europe. Also liked the discussion possibly linking Sea Peoples with Philistines. I've heard suggestions in the past related to Phoenicians. Very impressed with Dr. Woudhuizen's presentation.
    Thank you. I liked and subscribed.

    • @edstar83
      @edstar83 Před 4 lety +1

      The Phoenicians were traders. My bets on Philistines-canaanites-khazars.

    • @marymekins3546
      @marymekins3546 Před rokem

      ​@@edstar83 Phoenicians were Bania from western india. Bani is a cognate of proto-indo-european word Vanijya and it literally means trade and commerce. Bania literally means trader. Spread of the western indian lineage of black rats via trader ships through europe has confirmed these events.

  • @studyofantiquityandthemidd4449

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    • @jameswells554
      @jameswells554 Před 4 lety

      I have been waiting for this. Not gonna bullshit you. You wouldn't happen to know the ethno-linguistic group the Luwians belonged to do you?

    • @alecpayne18
      @alecpayne18 Před 4 lety +3

      Thank you for bringig this incredible scholar to us, love the topic, I've been dying to know info on this subject gor a long time.

    • @MarkVrem
      @MarkVrem Před 4 lety +2

      Lots of interesting tidbits that really add more texture to the whole context of what was going on during that period and other periods. Probably have to rewatch it 2 or 3 times. Some nice gems of information. I am a huge fan of "context" and you guys touch upon a good bit of different subjects. The area of presentation where I found my mind sorta trying to piece things together was the concept of Italic people occupying central and eastern Europe and also the Italian area. Then them being pushed down into just Italy proper by the Celts/Gauls.etc ... I was imaging how Rome itself was a reactionary expansion of italic people pushing back against the Celts/Gauls there. But then there is the whole Etruscan side of things, them being a colony from the Western Annantolia area. Basically, the Etruscans possibly helping the Italic get technologically advanced enough to be not only able to fight back against the Gauls/celts but to eventually beat them so bad to make them virtually militarily extinct from mainland Europe. (Germanic tribes obv. coming down from the north and maybe the east also had success against the Gauls/Celts, and who the hell knows who else pressured them from the east, Scythians/Sarmatians etc... lol)

    • @alecpayne18
      @alecpayne18 Před 4 lety +3

      Very interesting; modern palestinian DNA shows evidence of Cretian migration, the sea peoples... this is fascinating.

    • @alecpayne18
      @alecpayne18 Před 4 lety +3

      The connection with the phoenicians and their maritime empire is an incredible insight. Phoenician and hebrew is essentially the same language, so sea peoples to palestine>interact with locals, adopt language, and extend their seafaring knowledge which leads to a reverse migration later on. Amazing

  • @kanyekubrick5391
    @kanyekubrick5391 Před 4 lety +5

    I’ve been so excited for this!

    • @shardanette1
      @shardanette1 Před 4 lety +1

      Then leave already!

    • @kanyekubrick5391
      @kanyekubrick5391 Před 4 lety +1

      shardanette1 haha fixed ;)

    • @shardanette1
      @shardanette1 Před 4 lety

      @@kanyekubrick5391 Now my comment makes no sense! But glad you fixed it. I'd rather see correct spelling.

  • @cabbyabby8490
    @cabbyabby8490 Před 4 lety +5

    Great subject love it

  • @therealphillyphil
    @therealphillyphil Před 2 lety

    Thank you for the history lesson!

  • @joeroubidoux2783
    @joeroubidoux2783 Před 3 lety

    Really awesome channel. Thanks for doing this and getting down to the real bottom line of what we can know

  • @free_gold4467
    @free_gold4467 Před rokem

    Great seeing Nick getting as excited as me, hearing this stuff!

  • @Hecatonicosachoron
    @Hecatonicosachoron Před 4 lety +13

    I so much wish you also had a full on interview on all the different “Luwian” people’s, the Caunians, the Carians, the Lycians, it’s all quite remarkable... I want to know if the Minoans spoke a language related to Luwian languages or not too...

    • @andybarry3435
      @andybarry3435 Před 4 lety +4

      I believe their is evidence in place names for Luwian migration into Britain.

    • @nathanalbright
      @nathanalbright Před 3 lety

      There is another video in this series where someone talks about the decipherment of Minoan Linear A from a Hungarian professor. I would look up that one to answer your question about the Minoan language.

    • @meep3035
      @meep3035 Před 2 lety +5

      No they did not speak a related language to the Minoans. Luwian language was indo European while minoan is a language isolate as far as we know but we know very little on the minoan language because Linear A still hasn’t been deciphered. To me though I personally think the minoans were related to the Etruscans.

    • @tsriftsal3581
      @tsriftsal3581 Před 8 měsíci

      @@meep3035 well if that the set height of the bar then I'd toss the so-called Sumerians into the mix as being their ancestors.

  • @juanfervalencia
    @juanfervalencia Před 4 lety +4

    Thank you!

  • @BaltimoresBerzerker
    @BaltimoresBerzerker Před 4 lety +10

    Looking forward to the Cline talk!

    • @studyofantiquityandthemidd4449
      @studyofantiquityandthemidd4449  Před 4 lety +4

      BaltimoresBerzerker I’m doing everything I can to get him on, haha!

    • @sgitell
      @sgitell Před 4 lety +3

      The Study of Antiquity and the Middle Ages, he’s pushing a new book so there may be a window.

  • @gioseanuandrei5489
    @gioseanuandrei5489 Před 3 lety +3

    Those the came by sea were Greeks. Not only that, but we know the name of one of them: Odysseus. He described the failed raid on Egypt in Odyssey.
    „But my comrades, yielding to wantonness, and led on by their own might, straightway set about wasting the fair fields of the men of Egypt; and they carried off the women and little children, and slew the men; and the cry came quickly to the city. Then, hearing the shouting, the people came forth at break of day, and the whole plain was filled with footmen, and chariots and the flashing of bronze. But Zeus who hurls the thunderbolt cast an evil panic upon my comrades, and none had the courage to hold his ground and face the foe; for evil surrounded us on every side. So then they slew many of us with the sharp bronze, and others they led up to their city alive, to work for them perforce.”

  • @ManicPandaz
    @ManicPandaz Před 4 lety +20

    I was watching the Star Trek TNG episode about the Iconians the other day, when it hit me. The Iconians are basically the Space Sea People, blew my mind lol

    • @3dmaster205
      @3dmaster205 Před 3 lety +2

      No, the Iconians would be one of or the entire collective civilization that gets wiped out, partially by the Sea Peoples.

  • @AliHassan-vd6zj
    @AliHassan-vd6zj Před 4 lety +3

    One of the bestest history channels!

  • @TheBodynsoul1
    @TheBodynsoul1 Před 3 lety

    Just subbed dbl thumbs 👍 up! Fascinating well thought out topics questions 😀 just learned the iron and Phillistines sp. ? And iron - lots of info I can listen several times to gather all of the valuable tidbits!! Love it! Indeed priceless Rockstars- in my book.. Thank u !

  • @jozz2248
    @jozz2248 Před 4 lety +46

    Not just interesting, downright fascinatingly astounding! Keep up the great work. His accent was a bit hard combined with unfamiliar names, perhaps an overlay of some of the spelling of these races and places could help(or perhaps in the description).

  • @greg5023
    @greg5023 Před 4 lety +3

    Very interesting guest. More Celts please. My interest in the Celtic peoples began when I first stumbled across the Celtic exhibit at the Neues Museum (Berlin) and then, a week later, found myself in Hallstatt.

  • @auntiewin1134
    @auntiewin1134 Před 3 lety +2

    thanks for this interview..i'm in

  • @musicistherapy2
    @musicistherapy2 Před 2 lety

    Holy moly, nick! I just saw you in Forbes. I've been watching you for years brother. It was so awesome to discover that article. Congratulations

  • @OwainRaj
    @OwainRaj Před 4 lety

    Great content.

  • @FadyMozaya
    @FadyMozaya Před 4 lety +25

    Phoenicia bloomed actually, you can’t specialize in Mediterranean history without recognizing Phoenician..

    • @Thoth_al_Khem
      @Thoth_al_Khem Před 3 lety +1

      Phoenix

    • @Rotebuehl1
      @Rotebuehl1 Před 3 lety +2

      Who isn*t recognising Phoenicians???

    • @kactus_3008
      @kactus_3008 Před 2 lety

      Peleset(from Kaphtor?) -> Philistine -> Phoenicians

    • @kactus_3008
      @kactus_3008 Před 2 lety

      @@carmenfernandez5396 This is the official point of view. How then are they related to the former minoan thalasocracy? Minoans also worship the Mother Godess, sacrificed young people, the minoan script havily influenced the phoenicians' alphabet, they also dye their clothes in purple, etc. Plus, it is well known that philistines come from Caphtor and share some common territories with Phoenicia.

    • @kactus_3008
      @kactus_3008 Před 2 lety

      @@carmenfernandez5396 You should know I trully apreciate you experience and effort you made to correct my opinions. I am indebt to Hegel, maybe, for a revolute way of imaging history. I am an idealist who sees in the pirate ship mast the canaanite tree godess Asherah, worshiped by dozens of ancient phoenician mariners in different ways... I don't believe in absolute truth or good especially in social sciences, and for no reason I could accept that the past is lost forever. Because I simply know that the trojan horse was merely a small ship with offers to the gods, that the huns where mainly an indo-iranian people preeceded by scythians and followed by slavic peoples, that there is no one greek people but only one koine lingua franca and the most 'greek' philosophers were born in Asia Minor (being in fact lydians thus being living remnants of the luvian civilization) or Itally. I know too many such things to keep my mouth shut, this is my problem!

  • @abbasjafiya21
    @abbasjafiya21 Před 2 lety

    Great Guest !

  • @TheBodynsoul1
    @TheBodynsoul1 Před 3 lety

    Wow! Mind blowing 🤯 info on Philistines and Iron prohibition...excellent interview/guest! BTW his voice with eyes closed stirs up memories Boris Badinoff/Bullwinkle? No disrespect 😁🙏thx again!

  • @spacelemur7955
    @spacelemur7955 Před rokem

    Excellent guest.

  • @bernardtimmer6723
    @bernardtimmer6723 Před 3 lety +2

    As far as I understand the Bronze Age collapse, it was preceded by the eruption of Thera/Santorini. It smashed the Minoans, especially her seapower. In the power vacuüm that emerged, many nations started raiding the coastlines of the Eastern Mediterranean. Many nations collapsed under the onslaught of the seapeople, Egypt was the last to face them, she had time to prepare and survived but barely. The collapse of her trading empire led to Egypt's decline, she never recovered. Woudhuizen's knowledge on the subject is profound.

    • @sagebalsys7390
      @sagebalsys7390 Před 2 lety

      The eruption at santorini was over a hundred years before minoas collape and settlement by Myceneans

    • @bernardtimmer6723
      @bernardtimmer6723 Před 2 lety

      @@sagebalsys7390 yes, this was long thought to be the case but more recent geological studies and a better understanding of ancient texts agree on the fact that ashfall contaminating the fresh water supplies, devastating agriculture, leveling infrastructure and the tsunamis took out the ports and fleet as most ports are on the northern coast of Crete coincided with the eruption. Thera is only about 80 km away from Crete and a vei eruption now thought to be clser to a 7 rather than an 6 could easily have achieved it.

  • @augustsonseventy42
    @augustsonseventy42 Před 4 lety +9

    Hey SAMA. I read an interesting older paper about the so-called "Sea Peoples." It talked about how some of the names (translations) of them have been strongly influenced by preconceived ideas (because certain hieroglyphs in Egyptian have dual potential pronunciation. For example, 'R' can be 'L' because the Egyptians did not have a hieroglyph for 'L' and 'T' can sometimes be 'S'). Hence the Shekelesh (thought maybe to be Sicilians) is actually from Egyptian T.K.R. (if memory serves).
    The Greeks remembered Troy but have nothing to say about the Sea Peoples or a Dark Age, which occured right at the same time. The Bible only says that Arameans became prominent at this time (corroborated by their diminishing the Middle Assyrian Empire) and that the Philistines gathered a multi-national force (as did one or two other local enemies of Israel).
    At this period mythology bordered on the advent of writing and widespread literacy (c. 1050 - 850 B.C.). It's strange that such a major event as the Late Bronze Age collapse/Dark Age and the Sea Peoples are completely absent from mythology and early contemporary records and history. REALLY strange.

    • @studyofantiquityandthemidd4449
      @studyofantiquityandthemidd4449  Před 4 lety +1

      Augustson Seventy if you have gone would you shoot me a link to it here if it’s online? I’m always interested in reading different viewpoints on the subject and who knows ;) we could have a potential guest!

    • @augustsonseventy42
      @augustsonseventy42 Před 4 lety +2

      @@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 yep this is the link.
      www.whowerethephoenicians.com/free-chapters/the-philistines-and-sea-people-not-the-same-entity/

    • @augustsonseventy42
      @augustsonseventy42 Před 4 lety

      @@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 it's an older paper I think the author may have passed away though

    • @RoninDave
      @RoninDave Před 3 lety +3

      completely absent is a rather broad claim given the low probability of the survival of ancient records. Some people tend to think absence in written record = non-existent when they really don't understand how much we have lost to time or have yet to discover.

    • @alexdunphy3716
      @alexdunphy3716 Před 3 lety +3

      I don't think they are absent from mythology. I think homer describes the beginning of the bronze age collapse. In the Illiad the Mycenaean coalition is conquering pillaging and burning all over the Mediterranean while laying seige to troy. They even describe rading Egypt.

  • @metzyahrosenstein4827
    @metzyahrosenstein4827 Před 4 lety +12

    That doctor has maybe the coolest sounding last name I've ever heard.

  • @alecpayne18
    @alecpayne18 Před 4 lety +5

    Do you have any videos of the celts? I coouldn't find any, but I'd love to hear all that you've learned about the celts. It would be great to have Barry Cuneliff in a live interview like this. The live interview adds a nice touch.

    • @wandererdragon
      @wandererdragon Před 4 lety +1

      You mentioned Barry Cuneliff. Have you seen this lecture? czcams.com/video/G8FM9nMFbfI/video.html

    • @Oliver-jp7kl
      @Oliver-jp7kl Před 4 lety +1

      Alec Payne See Michael Tsarion’s writing and videos. He has a theory that the Ireland was the origin of civilization.

    • @King-xr9lx
      @King-xr9lx Před 4 lety

      murdered yea. Which technically makes us gods people And disproves the west as edom.

    • @kimwarburton8490
      @kimwarburton8490 Před 3 lety

      @sciphynuts i had no idea about this! Thankyou, im also intrested in languages n dabble sometimes

  • @coolbule1238
    @coolbule1238 Před 4 lety +3

    There is a cool mod for civ 5 to play as the sea peoples. There special ability is that when they Capture a capital they get a huge culture boost and a social policy. They get the Palastine warrior and the sherden warrior, they both ignore sea movement coast when going to sail or when land on shore. They are a early war-like play style classical domination

  • @fooltharc7377
    @fooltharc7377 Před 4 lety +1

    Nick, what is the music that you used in the introduction?
    Thank you for the excellent interview with Dr. Woudhuizen.

  • @MaciejBogdanStepien
    @MaciejBogdanStepien Před 4 lety +1

    Fabulous, fascinating, awesome. Why all these adjectives? I keep listening.

  • @kimberlyperrotis8962
    @kimberlyperrotis8962 Před 3 lety +14

    Wonderful, love this topic and Professor. 1 Samuel 13:19-22 is the text that speaks of the Philistines prohibiting Israelite use of iron weapons.

    • @PMMagro
      @PMMagro Před 2 lety

      Israel was no vassal of Philistines, how could they forbid that?

    • @MycAnndee
      @MycAnndee Před rokem

      @@PMMagro it was more like the Israelites had not yet acquired the metal working skills they needed to work iron. They had iron farming tools but took them to Philistine blacksmiths for sharpening.

  • @Mishkola
    @Mishkola Před 4 lety +1

    That opening song is pretty sweet at 1.25 speed

  • @Bogey1022
    @Bogey1022 Před 4 lety

    Fantastic

  • @kingdavid6729
    @kingdavid6729 Před 4 lety +22

    I would like to start an in depth conversation about chariot combat. First, chariortiers were highly mobile, like mechanized infantry of today. This means they could avoid engagement until they sought confrontation. They could skirmish at will and re-engaged as it suited them. If the sea peoples were on foot it means they were extremely vulnerable to this time tested and true combat tactic. Second, this was the bronze age, meaning chariotiers would be protected with bronze armor, which had been completely effective in securing their protection from foot soldier combat temporally up until contact with the sea people.
    In short, my inquiry is how the sea people countered the chariot combat so well, which nobody had been successful at until then. Its not like nobody had tried before them. Furthermore as the Doctor states is that that the sea people were mariners first, land combat was not their expertise.
    Did they revolutionize military doctrine? Did they have iron slugs for slingers? If so how did they field and mobilize such highly skilled infantry in strategic deployment? Maybe a combination of both of these. Moreover is how they got the chariotiers to stay engaged once they realized their tactics had been compromised. Mobility in combat it king, a trump card which all of a sudden turns up ineffective as soon as the sea peoples arrive. That is some kind of strange if you ask me!!!

    • @jamesmichael6052
      @jamesmichael6052 Před 4 lety +4

      King David See the work by Dr Drews of Vanderbilt; he emphasized military tech as an advantage. My best guess, and it is only that, is they killed the horses, thus nullifying or reducing their effectiveness.

    • @NefariousKoel
      @NefariousKoel Před 4 lety +2

      The use of steel in weapons was associated with the Sea Peoples. Early users compared to the bronze-using old nations they invaded at the time.

    • @NefariousKoel
      @NefariousKoel Před 4 lety +1

      @Bob - I recall seeing it mentioned in a doc or college lecture years ago. It's probably not much of a leap regarding the Sea Peoples bringing iron age weapons (i.e. steel) with them because the eastern med nations had been using bronze for a long time. Then, all of a sudden, the Philistines (the 'Peleset' of the Sea Peoples) take their slice of land and are mentioned as having iron arms.
      That might also suggest the Sea Peoples' invasion may have introduced the Iron Age to the Eastern Med. Arms races, after all, tend to create widespread leaps in technology.

    • @jamesmichael6052
      @jamesmichael6052 Před 4 lety +2

      Iron is one thing, steel is another and came later. Early iron was inferior to well made bronze. Iron was readily available, but used much fuel. I've read on this topic, The Collapse, for over 16 years and still feel thick as a brick on the topic.

    • @ShawarMoni
      @ShawarMoni Před 4 lety +1

      @Bob Egyptian sources on the "Hyksos" my mane

  • @jeanninestruck5203
    @jeanninestruck5203 Před 3 lety

    Regarding the sea people also including Urnfeld cultures - Marija Gimbutas mentions this in her book "Bronze age cultures in central and Eastern Europe" written in 1965.

  • @Mel81818
    @Mel81818 Před 3 lety

    Dr. W is brilliant

  • @avaloncarr5429
    @avaloncarr5429 Před 4 lety +8

    How interesting! Connections between Sardinia and Israel have been recently found. Sort of Sardinians building have been excavated in northern Israel, and same buildings (nuraghe) do exist even in Scotland. Amazing how ancient people were travelling all over the places

    • @edstar83
      @edstar83 Před 4 lety

      czcams.com/video/DJyrpFZwH9A/video.html

    • @nachtegaelw5389
      @nachtegaelw5389 Před 3 lety +3

      Seth Fleischman has some great lectures on this on his channel! (World History By a Jew) he compares a lot of Art, pottery, those round stone houses with keystones, etc. really interesting!

    • @Brian-kr1pt
      @Brian-kr1pt Před 5 měsíci

      Phoenecians

  • @salinagrrrl69
    @salinagrrrl69 Před 4 lety +1

    So the Sea Peoples post date the Hyksos? So once the tech to build long trek ships came (with advanch in metals) the Viking plunder practice takes off.

  • @djpenton779
    @djpenton779 Před 4 lety +2

    I have done some casual reading on this. I cannot remember the source, but apparently there is considerable archaeological evidence of early syncretistic religion that combined Yahweh worship with either Canaanite or Philistine religion (or both).

  • @yojoe5311
    @yojoe5311 Před 3 lety

    The first image in this video that showed three male figures (presumably depictions of the sea peoples) was really telling to me from a cranial morphological standpoint. Most people overlook the precise details in ancient carvings. I also thought that Italians were the descendants of the fall of Troy after the bronze age collapse who colonized Italy and not related to the Celts in terms of the Urnfield culture. It's good to hear new learnings and opinions.

  • @dreamermagister8561
    @dreamermagister8561 Před 4 lety +6

    What is the name of the intro music? I want that. Also great video!

    • @greg5023
      @greg5023 Před 4 lety +2

      czcams.com/video/FvhV1XJ06dc/video.html

  • @reginaldbauer5243
    @reginaldbauer5243 Před 4 lety +9

    From my understanding, but I am not saying I am 100% correct, so let me know what you think:
    Regarding the Minoan language: The oldest language was a pictographic writing system developed around 2000 BCE known as the Cretan hieroglyphs. Another group of signs was identified as Linear A, developed around 1700 BCE. While Cretan hieroglyphs have a pictorial appearance, Linear A has a linear appearance. It has been speculated that both Cretan hieroglyphs and Linear A represent the same language.
    Minoan civilization had trade contacts with the advanced Middle Eastern civilizations, with Egypt being the most influential. It is likely that the earliest Minoan writing (Cretan hieroglyphs) was modelled after the Middle Kingdom Egyptian hieroglyphs.
    Although superficially indeed similar to Egyptian symbols, Cretan Hieroglyphs are clearly distinct in both form and phonetic value. Yet the biggest difference lies in the underlying system itself. Egyptian Hieroglyphs are part of a complex writing system, where most signs have more than one possible reading, dependent on context (similarly to the Japanese Kanji characters). Signs could have both a phonetic (single consonant or syllable) value or an ideogrammatic (word) reading, but could even be utilized as phonetic complements or logograms (a written character that represents a word or phrase, like in Chinese), “reinforcing” the reading of words they were attached to. As many of these duplicities could only be interpreted by a native speaker of Old Egyptian, this system was very difficult to utilize for speakers of foreign languages. Also, the Egyptian system had over 800 different signs, which is an extremely large inventory of symbols compared to Cretan Hieroglyphs (roughly 85 or so different signs are known). Linear A signs identified ranges from 77 to 85 according to different scholars, suggesting that this was a syllabic writing system.
    Minoan scribes might have took the concept of writing from Egypt, creating their own signs and simplifying the system so that it became almost fully phonetic. Such a low number of individual characters is uncharacteristic of the complex writing systems of the ancient Near East, but it is fully compatible with a simple syllabary (reminiscent of the modern Japanese Hiragana or Katakana writing). Thus, some assume that Cretan Hieroglyphs, similarly to all later Aegean writing systems, were already syllabic in nature.
    Other scholars see Semitic influences / a relationship to Mesopotamian writings in the Minoan language, but these depend solely on Semitic loanwords, such as “sesame”, a word that appears in both Linear A and B (and also in ENGLISH).
    One thing is clear: After the rebuilding of the palatial complexes on Crete (with the advent of the so-called “New Palace Period”) the Hieroglyphic script fell out of regular use. A new script has taken its place, called Linear A. The relationship of Linear A and Hieroglyphics is probably comparable to the relation between Egyptian Hieroglyphic and Hieratic/Demotic script. Current available evidence suggests that the underlying system remained essentially the same; it is the shape of signs that suffered profound change due to graphical simplification.
    Linear A was used much more extensively than Hieroglyphs. Hundreds of clay tablets, inscribed vessels, statues, altarstones and even jewelery testifies its daily use. The triumph of Linear A is also striking in a geographical sense: Wherever Cretan traders went, Linear A followed. Perhaps due to the simplicity of the syllabary, it quickly spread to other regions surrounding Crete. While regularly used on many Aegean islands, sporadic finds suggest that it also reached the Greek mainland as well as the island of Cyprus and the Syrian coast.

    • @docvaliant721
      @docvaliant721 Před 3 lety

      Tribe of Dan after getting kicked out of egypt

    • @Phaedon53
      @Phaedon53 Před 3 lety

      Hence the Linear B , wich represents an early form of Greek .
      About Linear A though , scholars are not sure if it was used to express one , or more languages spoken on the island of Crete.

  • @duantorruellas716
    @duantorruellas716 Před 4 lety +5

    9 groups of sea people , very interesting. 🤔

  • @michaelfutch2598
    @michaelfutch2598 Před 4 lety +2

    The more I learn about the late bronze age collapse and the sea peoples, the more I want to know what we going on in Central Europe just prior.

    • @robertturner9804
      @robertturner9804 Před 4 lety +1

      That is a really good question. If, as seems to be a common trope, we see the Eastern Med as some kind of analog/precursor to our current connected world, how did central Europe tie in, if at all. I seem to remember reading about Amber as a trade item in a very few places but I may be wrong. What is the archeology of central Europe at this time?

  • @KellyBell1
    @KellyBell1 Před rokem

    I need to know where I can get the music from the Intro ? Does anyone know what this is?

  • @ReDhEnSkY
    @ReDhEnSkY Před 3 lety +19

    Congratulations for this channel, it's awesome!
    I have a question, for those who are familiar with Mycenaean culture and language.
    There were two social groups in Mycenaean society that were called "equeta" and "tereta", probably part of the aristocracy.
    I cannot help but notice the similarity with two names of the Sea Peoples: "Ekwesh" and "Teresh". Is there any link? Is it possible that those "peoples" were actually disenfranchised members of the palacial aristocracy that turned to piracy, or something like that?

    • @studyofantiquityandthemidd4449
      @studyofantiquityandthemidd4449  Před 3 lety +6

      Thanks for commenting Stefano and for enjoying the channel! These questions are brilliant and as a novice I agree with you but the Doctors I interview would be more qualified to handle this question. You make great points, if we look at Celtic tribal names many of them seem to rhyme as well but then we have the question as to whether or not they called themselves these names of if they were merely called these terms because that is what the "civilized world" thought they were called or wanted to call them. I ask myself the same question when looking at the Sea Peoples and that is if they called themselves these terms of if the Egyptians for example created them. But like I said, I am just a novice.

    • @ReDhEnSkY
      @ReDhEnSkY Před 3 lety +3

      @@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 Thank you for your answer, Nick and thank you so much for what you are doing. Your channel is a goldmine of great insights for anybody interested in Ancient History... I can't sto watching them! Your guests are always great!

    • @studyofantiquityandthemidd4449
      @studyofantiquityandthemidd4449  Před 3 lety +1

      @@ReDhEnSkY this comment has truly made my day! Thank you! Means the world and I have more guests coming!

    • @sagebalsys7390
      @sagebalsys7390 Před 2 lety +1

      Equeta sounds like Equus, horse

    • @tsriftsal3581
      @tsriftsal3581 Před 8 měsíci

      @@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 Alamania!

  • @giggletitty
    @giggletitty Před 3 lety

    I hadn't heard of urnfield before, but when I googled them I saw an interesting picture on this website: www.britannica.com/topic/Urnfield-culture ...do you have a link or know about the bronze cart or wheeled platform that was found in Scandinavia? Apparently a very similar one was found in Turkey, and it was believed they were made in the same place. I have to read up more on urnfield, but the picture reminds me of that wheeled cart ive heard about (probably on your podcast, to be honest) ... I'm curious if there's a connection...?

  • @johannesnicolaas
    @johannesnicolaas Před 4 lety +1

    I like the music in the beginning. What is it and who is the composer?

  • @banmadabon
    @banmadabon Před 3 lety +5

    As we continental Italians say: Don't mess with Sardinians...

    • @magoodada
      @magoodada Před 3 lety +1

      I like it lol. Why is that? Im part Sardinian but dont know a whole lot about part of my my own heritage. Born and raised in Alaska

  • @studyofantiquityandthemidd4449

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  • @braeutchen41
    @braeutchen41 Před 2 lety

    Ok, the drum ROCKS !!!🤭

  • @mattiamelis4453
    @mattiamelis4453 Před 3 lety +3

    Very interesting documentary about a fascinating and decisive moment of the Antiquity.
    It should be very interesting a documentary about those civilizations that originated the Sea People, like the ancient Sardinian Civilization or the Etruscan Civilization.
    Amazing videos!!!

  • @SliceofA.I.
    @SliceofA.I. Před 3 lety

    Great video so they were a multitude of peoples

  • @lowekal
    @lowekal Před 4 lety +2

    I've always thought that sea peoples were the various Outpost, colonies, and merchants that made up the phoneician trade networks that was vast!

  • @ppn194
    @ppn194 Před 3 lety +1

    At 26:00 the host says the boats were influenced by "unfield europe". That was my understanding. Can anyone, please , explain if that expression is correct and what it was meant by this expression?

    • @ppn194
      @ppn194 Před 3 lety

      Urnfield?

    • @meep3035
      @meep3035 Před 2 lety

      No he’s talking about the the “Urnfield culture” of Europe at the time

  • @sietsewijker1530
    @sietsewijker1530 Před 2 lety +1

    I googled dr. Woudhuizen right away, only to find out he passed away right next to my home town.

  • @aaronmoreno8918
    @aaronmoreno8918 Před 3 lety +2

    This was a great video! This too is one of my favorite mysteries in history, the Sea Peoples! The only thing I wonder though is where the Philistines(Peleset) came from exactly? Were they from the ancient Phelasgians? Who knows? But this video was still kool!

    • @georgegkagka1773
      @georgegkagka1773 Před 3 lety +1

      Actually through reasearches conducted on the Phillistine DNA it higly matches the ancient Greek DNA

    • @aaronmoreno8918
      @aaronmoreno8918 Před 3 lety

      @@georgegkagka1773 yes I seen that. But what I mean is exactly what Greek Tribe they came from?

    • @georgegkagka1773
      @georgegkagka1773 Před 3 lety +1

      @@aaronmoreno8918 We are not exactly certain about it. They could be Minoans since Minoans were travellers

    • @vesnanuspahic7510
      @vesnanuspahic7510 Před 3 lety

      Travelers hm🤔Crete means the one who is moving all the time .

    • @georgegkagka1773
      @georgegkagka1773 Před 3 lety

      @@vesnanuspahic7510 In what language

  • @skyl4rk
    @skyl4rk Před 4 lety

    Were the Sea Peoples traders? What goods did they trade? What made their ships better? Who controlled the materials needed to make metal weapons in the empires? Did the Sea Peoples mainly use hit and run tactics, similar to the later Vikings?

  • @dt6822
    @dt6822 Před 9 měsíci

    For everyone who's wondering, because no question is a stupid question, history requires the invention of writing, since history is the study of documents and inscriptions. Therefore, "pre-history" or "proto-history" refers to the entire period of the human past before we had writing, so roughly 3500 BCE and before. Pre-history would be the lengthy period of human existence before writing, proto-history refers to the period in and around the invention of writing, so shortly before. Okeeee

  • @danlhendl
    @danlhendl Před 7 měsíci

    My question is whether the sea people were predominantly iron bearing people? Because if that’s the case, that would account for their secret to success without knowing anything about the laws of attraction. And then the other questions that begs to be answered, is whether the Dorians are contemporaneous with these sea peoples. Were they iron-bearing? was this a matter of northern Iron coming down upon and handily defeating
    southern bronze? Like somebody got the idea it into his head like “I know what we can do. Now that we have iron, what do you say we head on down to the Mediterranean? Because that would be a nifty distinction and easy to remember.

  • @sergpie
    @sergpie Před 3 lety

    I think there must’ve been a cataclysm that displaced large coastal/island communities; the valleys in the south of Sardinia, and the ruins there, show evidence of inundation from the seas coming well inland. Around 8000 years ago, Etna suffered a collapse that sent its eastern slope into the Mediterranean; the waves ran up ove 50 feet all through southern Italy and the western coasts of Greece. Something similar could’ve occurred, I think...

  • @slightlybetterthanaveragej6777

    @16:30 Actually the Jews had armor, and Saul's was offered to David to use, but David said it was too big, didnt fit. Interestingly they didnt look for a set that fit. It could be Saul had one of the only sets.

  • @MrNeumerker
    @MrNeumerker Před 4 lety

    Nice lecture.Thanks. The dutsh texting is funny.

  • @chopsddy3
    @chopsddy3 Před 3 lety

    Fascinating. Here is a question concerning the iron prohibition. Was Ehud’s dagger forged of iron or bronze? ( book of Judges)

    • @IrinaAlexander1
      @IrinaAlexander1 Před 2 lety

      Ehud's dagger was actually forged of meteoritic iron made from a star that is now dead, just like your dreams.

  • @stephenmichalski2643
    @stephenmichalski2643 Před 4 lety +4

    My thoughts? Absolutely amazing/fascinating!!!!Love how he pulls out the dates and names from memory.This series you intend to do with all these historians is going to be downright phenomenal!!!!Can't wait for more.Its such a help as I for one am totally obsessed with this era.....but don't really know who and what works to study/investigate.....this will be very very helpful.....so can't thank you enough.Personally my curiosity centers to a degree on why.....which I think was touched upon a bit.....anyways thanks in no small measure for your awesome work and sharing it.

  • @sfopera
    @sfopera Před 2 lety +1

    The Philistine prohibition against the use of iron by the ancient Israelites comes from 1 Samuel 13:19.

  • @husambotros3958
    @husambotros3958 Před 4 lety +1

    Do you know of any research on any effect of volcanic activities in Europe that has happened before the sea people coming in to the picture.. i mean perhaps they experienced it in the past and where aware of the devastating results of a volcanic eruption thats why they decided to group together and move away to a better land they already knew was fertile and safer where they felt it could happen again? Whats your thoughts on this?

  • @bobgonzalez1198
    @bobgonzalez1198 Před 3 lety +1

    Please include maps, it will make easier to follow the conversation.
    thank you.

  • @juliahartshorn2473
    @juliahartshorn2473 Před 3 lety

    What are the info sources that make us aware of these 'sea people' today in the first place?

  • @edgewyze7352
    @edgewyze7352 Před 4 lety +2

    Thank God for guys like you, because guys like me wouldn't know anything

    • @donaldrandle8733
      @donaldrandle8733 Před 4 lety

      Pale faces get this, the sea people were of black stock, and the so-called Israelites which were black people called Hebrew. These two pale faces set up here and lie. Especially this white Jew boy with this European dialect

    • @celteuskara
      @celteuskara Před 4 lety

      @@donaldrandle8733 Haha, bless! Never change!

  • @Survivethejive
    @Survivethejive Před 4 lety +3

    Urnfield boats would surely be for lakes and rivers in central europe, not suitable for crossing the Med?

    • @samitheman9783
      @samitheman9783 Před 4 lety +2

      The southern reaches of the Urnfield cultural zone extended to the Croatian coastline by the late Bronze age. The late Bronze age Eastern Med was characterized by its far-flung trading networks, extending from Cornwall to Afghanistan, if indirectly. The southern Urnfield peoples would doubtless have been in contact with Phoenician, Greek, and Anatolian sea merchants, whose ship-building techniques and technolohies were nearly identical. It seems nobody was keeping any secrets in that particular sphere. It would not be out ofthe the question that ship building ideas might have been swapped between Urnfield shipsmiths and these folks. Of course, this is just speculation on my part.
      The elephant in the room that wasn't touched upon in the discussion: What prompted the "Sea Peoples" desperate all-out-attack-plus-migration south and east?

    • @shardanette1
      @shardanette1 Před 4 lety

      Viking longboats which are similar could do both. No reason these couldn't.

    • @studyofantiquityandthemidd4449
      @studyofantiquityandthemidd4449  Před 4 lety +2

      Viking long boats of course didn’t exist during this period.

    • @shardanette1
      @shardanette1 Před 4 lety +1

      @@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 Of course they didn't. But they are very similar. The point is if Viking boats could do both, then Sea Peoples could as well. Shelley Wachsmann has written about this. Also, some Sea People settlements, like Tel Tayinat were inland on rivers, so they were using their boats to get there.

    • @howardwhite1507
      @howardwhite1507 Před 4 lety

      Viking boats are not built like boats from the Mediterranean, Vikings boats are build from a different grade of timber.... and use a entirety different process....
      they only look similar to untrained eyes...

  • @OVTraveller
    @OVTraveller Před 3 lety

    The key question which remains to be resolved is what was the impetus for the movement of these various diverse groups. You will recall that during Julius Caesar campaigns, a similar massive movement of peoples from the Denmark region moved southward and circled around central western Europe. The Romans battled them and although significantly reduced by Roman slaughter, they finished settlingup on the Iberian Peninsula. It is thus highly probable that weather conditions, sea level rises, hunger and pressure from

    • @OVTraveller
      @OVTraveller Před 3 lety

      other more powerful population groups forced them to move. You may agree that the strange high level of total destruction was evident which counters the notion that the Sea people were trying to settle in the areas occupied by the Bronze Age cultures. It might point to the fact that they were raiders looking booty, but where did they go subsequently

  • @annereynolds6715
    @annereynolds6715 Před rokem

    At 25:58 - exactly what term is he using? I can make out the name European, but not the term that precedes it.
    Also, my interest is in the Pelasgians, who were driven westward from Greece, then also from Italy as well.
    What was their relationship with the Myceneans? were they non-Dorian Greeks who formed a helot class?
    Also the Tyrrhenians. where did their migration start from and who were they related to?

  • @menthelius
    @menthelius Před 4 lety +4

    One problem with this theory, at the time there was an almost international/global trade aspect to the bronze age civilizations, yet the sea people invaders were unknown to the great empires of the time. It is implausible that they were native to the mediterranean region , not impossible, but highly unlikely.

    • @howardwhite1507
      @howardwhite1507 Před 4 lety

      thomas mackey .... the Egyptians named them, with existing names....

    • @sumlatinkid
      @sumlatinkid Před 2 lety

      Its possible the Egyptians learned of their name after defeating them and asking them?

    • @rnenrick
      @rnenrick Před rokem +1

      @@sumlatinkid No. There are Egyptian references to many of these peoples at least a century before combating them.

  • @djribz
    @djribz Před 4 lety

    Great show!
    Can you do one on the Horse people, the Phrygians, Scythians etc, of Iran. They didnt like the godess worshippers/spiritists like the minoans , because they sacrificed children to Tannit and Baal.

  • @jeffersonwright6249
    @jeffersonwright6249 Před 7 měsíci +3

    This is a tragic presentation: both Nick and Frederick are recently deceased so early. Such a loss

  • @Create35253
    @Create35253 Před 3 lety +1

    Philistines are related to pelsets who are Greek pirates from the southern part of Crete I watched an episode on Minoans where mr nick barksdale discusses with a known anthropologist and historian dr Louise hitchcock on his channel on how the Minoans feared pirates living on the southeastern island of Crete.

  • @unexpectedisraelirene
    @unexpectedisraelirene Před 3 měsíci

    Is there any archeological evidence of the Philistine's monopoly on iron in the Levant? I think the earliest iron objects found in Philistia are of Iron Age IIB. What do the experts say?

  • @alainlaverdiere3657
    @alainlaverdiere3657 Před 4 lety +3

    Enjoyed this. Thank you for posting. Best wishes from Calgary, Canada. 🍁🏳️‍🌈🇨🇦🌸

  • @bradfordlane4129
    @bradfordlane4129 Před 28 dny

    How did such a small number of people overwhelm multiple large civilizations?

  • @flashgordon6670
    @flashgordon6670 Před 2 lety +1

    I already knew that the Israelites didn't have iron weapons in this time period with the Philistines dominating them. Also the account of King David V Goliath encapsulates the situation of an iron clad giant, with all the technological, weaponry advances of the day, vs a small boy with a stick and a slingshot.

  • @Kallistos1
    @Kallistos1 Před 3 lety +4

    Is that Will and Ariel Durant's world history series next to your head in the right side at ear level?

  • @scienceexplains302
    @scienceexplains302 Před 3 lety +1

    Dr Woudhuizen, are you referring to
    1 Samuel 13:18 when you say Israelites could not own iron weapons?

  • @dandyrevisionist7879
    @dandyrevisionist7879 Před 3 lety

    I believe they could be Yamnaya, we'll see if I was close.

  • @jamesruscheinski8602
    @jamesruscheinski8602 Před 23 dny

    before Bronze age collapse, did Phoenicians ship to areas beyond Greece in Mediterranean sea? from which sea peoples could hijack and use ships for assault on eastern Mediterranean areas of Greece, Asia Minor, Levant and Egypt?

  • @Nic-mq8hm
    @Nic-mq8hm Před 11 měsíci

    In addition to the Sardinian and Philistine Sea Peoples settlements in Caanan, the ancient Greek Mycenaeans, aka the DANaoi/DANoi people also settled in Northern Caanan and were later known as the Hebrew tribe of Dan.