If you watch closely, he's pinching the ball and spinning it before the paddle hits the ball for the serve. This has now been banned. It's called a "pre-spun serve"
Gotta say folks... I've thoroughly enjoyed reading through all your comments. I was about to watch Ted Lasso but this was great.. cheers. Oh and don't worry... everyone's gonna figure it out sooner or later. Cheers 🍻
Morgan, I think you take this conversation in the right spirit, but this chainsaw/spin serve that has been introduced is going to quickly do harm to pickleball and turn spectators away. It clearly creates an enormous advantage for the server in a sport that was designed for the advantage to belong to the returner. Why else can't the server charge the net or volley the return? That's meant to make it harder to gain a service point. Every sport has regulations to keep a competitive balance and fair play, whether it's how many players must be on the line of scrimmage in football, traveling in basketball, the balk rule in baseball ... or the no-volley zone in pickleball. You, Zane and others have found a loophole that the founders of the sport didn't consider. If they had, no doubt they would have written it into the rules to keep their intentions of how the game should be played intact. No, everyone's not going to figure it out. A serve that ricochets severely right or severely left when it bounces can't be figured out. Either outlaw the spin serve or take all regulations off the serve entirely and allow players to serve any way they wish, including overhand and above the waist.
Thank you Morgan, and of course the other pros like Zane, for elevating the game! Haters are just scared of innovation, change, and self-improvement. Keep it up!
I know nothing about pickleball (I do know some about english in ping pong though), but the suggestion to watch at 1/4 speed was a good one. Look at 0:29 and at 1:11 in slow mo and you will see him snap spin onto the ball before the paddle action.
The crazy thing that messes people up the most is that it only LOOKs like hes putting a ton of on the ball with his paddle with his open stance and the way he comes around the ball with his paddle. The most deadly serve he does (most of the aces) he is spinning the ball to his Left (opponents right) with his fingers. He has to stand way open (facing the stands) to be able to spin the ball like this. Then he comes around the ball to make it look like hes going to put a ton of slice on the ball to his RIGHT (opponents left) but he ACTUALLY makes contact straight on with the ball, but still has a follow through that wraps under and around the ball. So his apponent sees his open stance and wrapping follow through and their brain cant help but think "Balls slicing and going to come to my left" but then, because of the spin from his fingers, it bounces and kicks to their right! And they fumble because they are setup for a backhand, or are moving to try and get around the ball and it ends up going the other way. The biggest reason it is so deadly is because he is able to mix it up with an actual slice going the other way, and a similar shot that looks the same but has some top spin so it bounces low. Thats what go Chou so beat up is that he was trying to quick-hop the ball, but Evan's kept mixing it up on him. I think the spin serves are an awesome adition to the game. Evans was the original, but now so many people are putting their own "spin" on it. Even Lea Jensen (who gets beat up by Evans pretty bad) is startging to put a little something on the ball, and I'm sure given a little time will have a killer serve.
Its not from his fingers. Its the physics of spin. I don’t play pickleball but you can tell why the ball kicks the way it does. Sidespin affects the ball differently off of the bounce depending on whether the ball has backspin or topspin on the ball. If it has sidespin and backspin it will stay low and kick in the direction it was already traveling off the bounce. But if you put topspin on it with backspin it does the opposite, kicking forward and biting back the other direction off the bounce. You can tell this is what’s happening based on his follow through which wraps around and over the ball creating the illusion of backspin when in actuality, following over the ball produces the topspin that kicks the ball back in the opposite direction off the bounce in conjunction with the side spin.
I'm thinking that the best chance in returning these serves would be to keep one's feet moving forward quickly, and take the serve as close as possible to the bounce.....in other words, short hop the ball....and I mean really close, like 3-6 inches after the bounce. Open the paddle and aim high and deep. Deaden the hand if the serve comes in too fast. In this way, the served ball wouldn't have enough time to bounce far enough to the side to avoid the paddle. The returner's quick-moving feet would supply the momentum for the return, and the open face of the paddle would help lift the ball.
@@1337sim1 Good comparison.....but much closer....I have a couple of friends who are great loopers in ping pong, and I am able to beat them even when better players than me cannot. The key is to block the ball close to the bounce, with a racquet that counteracts the top and side spin combination that a looper usually uses. The dead hand allows you to control the depth of your return, and helps angle the ball sharply. I play all three sports regularly over the last few years....usually once a week or more each.
Nope, it'll be outlawed bc it's artificial and stupid. Why give someone something so radically different on the serve that can't be done at any other time.
To be honest, we shouldn't ban it. It adds dynamic to the game. If you look at his serve for a couple of time, you will be able to figure out to counter it. An experienced player will mix up his serve according. It is not hurting the sport, but help it. As a young beginners to the sport, I like it when there is new techniques coming out instead of watching a non-stop dinking match.
Perfectly legal in pickleball, even with the possible rule changes incoming. Why? Because it's spinning with the non-paddle hand, not the paddle or paddle-hand.
@@joelhammrac Play it at 1/4 speed and you can see that he DOES put spin on the ball with his two fingers. So he's getting "double" spin from that AND the racquet. I think this is a TERRIBLE development! Only the racquet should affect the ball and I hope rules will be made that will ban this type of serve
He's pre-spinning the ball with his toss hand in a rotational direction that causes the ball to kick in a direction that is different than what the swing would indicate. Finger spinning was banned in table tennis in the late 1930's for this very reason. It's no shocker that a table tennis player would notice that pre-spinning of the ball was not illegal in PB and decide to master it. With that being said, it will be banned in PB from 2023 on.
Of course it was not fun to play against these serves, but to say the Morgan Evan's serve was not a piece of strategical beauty while it was legal would be completely false. Returners needed to work harder and actually be engaged to put in a serious effort to return the serve and proceed to the kitchen. He meticulously developed this serve (rotation, direction, toss, contact point) and used it to perfection for this brief period of time. Was it frustrating for the other players...oh yeah...could they have learned to return it...oh definitely. That was the nature of sport. It would have been interesting to see where pickleball went either way. I respect both opinions on the subject, this video is just great.
You can't put pre-serve spin on the ball in tennis, you can't put pre-spin serve on the ball in table tennis.........but for some reason people are up in arms about applying the same type of rule in pickleball. It's obviously needed. You 44 feet away from the server and it's extremely difficult to read what the server is doing to the ball prior to connecting with the paddle (which adds additional spin). It's clear there is some randomness to how the ball reacts off the court. Props to Evans for the innovation here, but it's not good for the sport.
There is no rule against spinning the toss in tennis. In fact, every coach will encourage players to toss with no spin in order to place it in the path of the swing better.
I'm actually against the rule now making pinch spinning the ball at the serve illegal. It makes the serve way more important and it's all skill. You can still read the serve it's just harder. Nowadays the serve isn't even important at all (too easy to return)
As a new player to this game(started after this serve was banned) I would probably hate playing this game if I started when this was legal. Best decision ever was to ban this and I'm shocked it wasn't sooner. This makes the game awful
Google says about pickleball: "The game was first invented in 1965 by three dads in the United States with bored kids." Pickleball is no longer a bored kids game with what Morgan Evans and many others are doing, especially with the serve.
I wished they had a camera pointing directly down on the court so you can see how the ball is bouncing in an odd way. If you've ever faced this serve, it's incredibly difficult to return. You cannot anticipate the bounce since you can't read the finger spin from 40 feet away.
Are they not allowed to take the ball in the air on serve? Or could they take it early like how tennis players take the ball early on a kick serve? They all stand back and let the spin fuck them up…
This would be more comparable to a tennis "trick" serve where you deceive the opponent. A normal tennis serve is difficult, but can be predicted so it comes down to skill. This serve you don't know what will happen until it bounces and it's too late to react.
It's a combination of 2 things: 1. He's spinning the ball (with his fingers) on his toss, so his paddle is exacerbating the spin, and 2. There's very little baseline room to allow the returner to stand further back to adjust to the spin after it bounces. Thus, he just needs to serve it deep and the returner has extremely little time to adjust to the spin. If the baseline area were larger, they could stand further back to give themselves time, like in tennis where returners have a ton of room to address to slice or twist serves.
You have no idea what will happen until the ball bounces, which is often too late. It may go left, right, or jump forward. So you could square up to it and hope your reflexes return the shot, but it won't be a strong return.
@@JamesLuterek yes you do. If he tosses with his palm facing forward the ball bounce to the opponents right. If he tosses with his palm facing back it bounces the other way
Because pickleball is not known for being a serve-driven sport, it's traditionally meant to played with longer rallies. Prior to this guy and a few others spinning the ball pre-serve, it's rare to see service aces.
I think this is the one thing I hate most in pickleball. I see so many people win games but they really can't play that well. It's cheap and let be real most of us aren't going pro anytime soon. I think at least for rec play some rules need to be in place. When you cheap someone on a serve it says I'm not good enough to actually play you.
I thought it was illegal to spin a serve.. what is this ??? I could back spin a serve and leave it dead in the kitchen but spin is against the rules on serves in competitions I thought.
I think he's doing it with one hand so its not that bad. People who don't know how to do this are just mad but really the way he's spinning it and also slicing it is what makes the ball go haywire. If you just spin the ball and serve it normally nothing would really happen.
He is able to switch up his super deadly left spin- that looks like it should slice, with an actual slice, and a top spin serve (that all look like they are being served the same way at live speed) super effectively. I think thats why his serve is so deadly, because its so hard to anticipate. With Zanes serve, if youre watching close as his opponent you can easily tell which way he his spinning the ball, and even then its hard to handle.
@@tylercox4776 yeah I dunno. Seems like the slice is just normal and then the other one he sorta winds up much more and faces to the left. But I appreciate the keyboard warrior nature of this comment as the reality of facing it in real time will be different.
Man, what you don't see would fill a book. If it remained legal, eventually a top-100 pro was going to begin to use this, and then it would have affected things. Gradually more and more pros would begin using their valuable practice time to master a one-trick pony. This would have come at the cost of improvement elsewhere, and the rest of the game would have suffered.
So this was made illegal just because this ONE GUY was so good at it? BS! So anytime a player comes up with a technique that no one else is can master, (or, ABLE to do), it's to be made illegal? Imagine if Mike Tyson's punching power were made illegal because other fighters couldn't hit back as hard! THIS is BS!
lets ban all serves and just start the game by dinking from the non volley line, Gee that would be exciting!! NOT ! To me seems so lame to ban the serves but looks like ole man jenkins will win this battle. watching dinking battles is SO BORING!!
The control on dinking battles and mind games are amazing. Definitely the most exciting! I didn't realize that until I became a decent pickleball player and understood everything involved.
Your wish is granted, you have just two remaining. Notice the 6 geometric icons in the bottom right corner of the video frame. Click the one that is round with nubs sticking out like a Gear or star with the tips cut off. This is the settings button. Then click on Playback Speed and choose the percentage you desire. .25 or 25% of normal speed all the way up to 2.0 or 200% of normal speed. You can see in slo motion he is spinning the ball between his fingers when he does the toss.
It looks like his racket is below his wrist which is against the traditional serve rules. Under the new rules I thought the ball had to be dropped and not tossed. Is this serve legal?
You're joking right? This guy would have single-handedly (pardon the pun) ruined the sport if this asinine serve wasn't banned. Open palm and hit the ball out of it... like table tennis. 30 seconds of this video told me everything about this dude.
Ya dumb down the sport and decrease the skill gap to cater to new players and old people. You should learn to adapt to this serve instead of complaining
@@emperorpalpatine4995 Spoken by a guy who would possibly return 1 in 50 of those serves. I'm sure you'd love playing a game where every point is over trying to return this guys serve. Has nothing to do with beginners or the elderly..... every sport has rules to make the game more playable.
sure sucks all fhe fun out of the game. Guess at his level he doesn't have to wait too long after playing for 5 minutes for the naxt available court. I mean really, why bother.
Why is the ball going the opposite way is supposed to go? It looks like a snake from this ping-pong guy...oh ok I get he spins it on the opposite rotation with his hand and it looks like he is applying the reverse movement with his paddle 🤣🤣🤣 that's cool lol
Long time ago ping pong players were spinning the ball with their hands and the sport had just about enough of this behavior so they banned it. They now just throw the ball up straight up. If you can only use the racquet to do what you wish that's fine. Otherwise nope.
Great, so now pickleball will become unwatchable. Would anyone pay to watch Morgan Evans serve out 11 straight points? That's not sport; that's a trick shot. It's not how the serve was intended to be hit. There's a reason there's three seconds and goaltending in basketball. Because without those rules, tall guys would stand under the basket and dunk on one end while swatting away shots on the other. No one would watch that -- and no one will watch this if the serve isn't outlawed.
Newbee here, but do agree. It's fun to watch, but defeats the purpose of what pickleball is all about. Needless to say, I'm going to be trying to do some of these serves I've been watching on CZcams.
Disagree. This sport along with every other sport will grow and adapt over time thanks to innovative players like evans. The kick serve when first invented probably had similar outrage but anyone can learn it and anyone can learn to defend against it, just like Morgan’s serve.
Agree. In slo mo it appears he’s snapping/spinnng the ball on the toss, wonder if it contributes to the overall spin and extreme bounce and deviation. Then he comes around under in a U and hits the ball from the inner side, intensifying the spin?
I'm a pro level player and I can tell you that your comment is extremely naive...many of the players this serve is making look foolish are professionals. You'd have no chance even after a full day of him serving to you.
If you watch closely, he's pinching the ball and spinning it before the paddle hits the ball for the serve. This has now been banned. It's called a "pre-spun serve"
Thanks I was wondering why it was spinning the opposite way
yeah that serve is no banned. it has an odd spin. the fingers add more spin than the paddle it seems like it.
Can't believe this sport has been around for years. Can't believe there are pros playing it. Everything is to be mastered...dang.
Super lame
That make smiles all pingpong players for sure !
: )
I came to make the same comment ;) although he fakes it very well, seems like padel players need more training to read spin are more reflexes.
The question is why aren’t they split stepping lol
Pickle ball things 🤣
Because this gane sucks jaja
Yeah, no clue😂😂😂
Tennis players, congregate here
Game is fun but it doesn’t kill you for being lazy like it does in tennis
Gotta say folks... I've thoroughly enjoyed reading through all your comments. I was about to watch Ted Lasso but this was great.. cheers. Oh and don't worry... everyone's gonna figure it out sooner or later. Cheers 🍻
Morgan, I think you take this conversation in the right spirit, but this chainsaw/spin serve that has been introduced is going to quickly do harm to pickleball and turn spectators away. It clearly creates an enormous advantage for the server in a sport that was designed for the advantage to belong to the returner. Why else can't the server charge the net or volley the return? That's meant to make it harder to gain a service point. Every sport has regulations to keep a competitive balance and fair play, whether it's how many players must be on the line of scrimmage in football, traveling in basketball, the balk rule in baseball ... or the no-volley zone in pickleball. You, Zane and others have found a loophole that the founders of the sport didn't consider. If they had, no doubt they would have written it into the rules to keep their intentions of how the game should be played intact. No, everyone's not going to figure it out. A serve that ricochets severely right or severely left when it bounces can't be figured out. Either outlaw the spin serve or take all regulations off the serve entirely and allow players to serve any way they wish, including overhand and above the waist.
Keep up the good work Morgan! Hater's gonna hate.
@@shepgary2117 whats gonna turn fans away is 4 guys at the net dinking for 20 shots , casual fan would find this unwatchable
What kind of paddle are you using? Awesome serves!
Thank you Morgan, and of course the other pros like Zane, for elevating the game! Haters are just scared of innovation, change, and self-improvement.
Keep it up!
I know nothing about pickleball (I do know some about english in ping pong though), but the suggestion to watch at 1/4 speed was a good one. Look at 0:29 and at 1:11 in slow mo and you will see him snap spin onto the ball before the paddle action.
#1 bs I'd walk away so fast haha. Then again I would never play this game
The crazy thing that messes people up the most is that it only LOOKs like hes putting a ton of on the ball with his paddle with his open stance and the way he comes around the ball with his paddle. The most deadly serve he does (most of the aces) he is spinning the ball to his Left (opponents right) with his fingers. He has to stand way open (facing the stands) to be able to spin the ball like this. Then he comes around the ball to make it look like hes going to put a ton of slice on the ball to his RIGHT (opponents left) but he ACTUALLY makes contact straight on with the ball, but still has a follow through that wraps under and around the ball. So his apponent sees his open stance and wrapping follow through and their brain cant help but think "Balls slicing and going to come to my left" but then, because of the spin from his fingers, it bounces and kicks to their right! And they fumble because they are setup for a backhand, or are moving to try and get around the ball and it ends up going the other way.
The biggest reason it is so deadly is because he is able to mix it up with an actual slice going the other way, and a similar shot that looks the same but has some top spin so it bounces low. Thats what go Chou so beat up is that he was trying to quick-hop the ball, but Evan's kept mixing it up on him. I think the spin serves are an awesome adition to the game. Evans was the original, but now so many people are putting their own "spin" on it. Even Lea Jensen (who gets beat up by Evans pretty bad) is startging to put a little something on the ball, and I'm sure given a little time will have a killer serve.
Its not from his fingers. Its the physics of spin. I don’t play pickleball but you can tell why the ball kicks the way it does. Sidespin affects the ball differently off of the bounce depending on whether the ball has backspin or topspin on the ball. If it has sidespin and backspin it will stay low and kick in the direction it was already traveling off the bounce. But if you put topspin on it with backspin it does the opposite, kicking forward and biting back the other direction off the bounce. You can tell this is what’s happening based on his follow through which wraps around and over the ball creating the illusion of backspin when in actuality, following over the ball produces the topspin that kicks the ball back in the opposite direction off the bounce in conjunction with the side spin.
I'm thinking that the best chance in returning these serves would be to keep one's feet moving forward quickly, and take the serve as close as possible to the bounce.....in other words, short hop the ball....and I mean really close, like 3-6 inches after the bounce. Open the paddle and aim high and deep. Deaden the hand if the serve comes in too fast. In this way, the served ball wouldn't have enough time to bounce far enough to the side to avoid the paddle. The returner's quick-moving feet would supply the momentum for the return, and the open face of the paddle would help lift the ball.
@@joemarshall4226 just like a sneak attack by Roger (SABR) ! 😋
@@1337sim1 Good comparison.....but much closer....I have a couple of friends who are great loopers in ping pong, and I am able to beat them even when better players than me cannot. The key is to block the ball close to the bounce, with a racquet that counteracts the top and side spin combination that a looper usually uses. The dead hand allows you to control the depth of your return, and helps angle the ball sharply. I play all three sports regularly over the last few years....usually once a week or more each.
Nope, it'll be outlawed bc it's artificial and stupid. Why give someone something so radically different on the serve that can't be done at any other time.
To be honest, we shouldn't ban it. It adds dynamic to the game. If you look at his serve for a couple of time, you will be able to figure out to counter it. An experienced player will mix up his serve according. It is not hurting the sport, but help it. As a young beginners to the sport, I like it when there is new techniques coming out instead of watching a non-stop dinking match.
Ban it!
I understand doing this in tournament and professional play but what is the purpose of doing this to people in rec play?
This is why in table tennis your not allowed to spin the ball when you toss, the same rule should be added to pickleball
I agree with yoi, im sure it wont take too long before some rules would be change
Perfectly legal in pickleball, even with the possible rule changes incoming. Why? Because it's spinning with the non-paddle hand, not the paddle or paddle-hand.
I think that's a terrible idea. Why?
I don’t think that spin is coming from the toss.
@@joelhammrac Play it at 1/4 speed and you can see that he DOES put spin on the ball with his two fingers. So he's getting "double" spin from that AND the racquet. I think this is a TERRIBLE development! Only the racquet should affect the ball and I hope rules will be made that will ban this type of serve
This guy is a table tennis player using a lot of sidespin. The receivers just aren’t reading it.
How do you read it when the spin is unknown?
He's pre-spinning the ball with his toss hand in a rotational direction that causes the ball to kick in a direction that is different than what the swing would indicate. Finger spinning was banned in table tennis in the late 1930's for this very reason. It's no shocker that a table tennis player would notice that pre-spinning of the ball was not illegal in PB and decide to master it. With that being said, it will be banned in PB from 2023 on.
Love it! PRACTICE serving and returning them 😎
Of course it was not fun to play against these serves, but to say the Morgan Evan's serve was not a piece of strategical beauty while it was legal would be completely false. Returners needed to work harder and actually be engaged to put in a serious effort to return the serve and proceed to the kitchen. He meticulously developed this serve (rotation, direction, toss, contact point) and used it to perfection for this brief period of time. Was it frustrating for the other players...oh yeah...could they have learned to return it...oh definitely. That was the nature of sport. It would have been interesting to see where pickleball went either way. I respect both opinions on the subject, this video is just great.
AGREED. I hit a similar serve and am coming from tennis. My opponents HATE it.
You can't put pre-serve spin on the ball in tennis, you can't put pre-spin serve on the ball in table tennis.........but for some reason people are up in arms about applying the same type of rule in pickleball. It's obviously needed. You 44 feet away from the server and it's extremely difficult to read what the server is doing to the ball prior to connecting with the paddle (which adds additional spin). It's clear there is some randomness to how the ball reacts off the court. Props to Evans for the innovation here, but it's not good for the sport.
surely you can put pre serve spin in tennis.... I have seen players do it. granted not like this but you can do it
Actually u can. U can't do it in table tennis
There is no rule against spinning the toss in tennis. In fact, every coach will encourage players to toss with no spin in order to place it in the path of the swing better.
You are 100% correct...It is the same concept.....Spinning the ball with your hand is clown circus behavior....
You can spin it in tennis, because the spin your arm generates isn't even close to the spin hitting it will. It just helps to stabilize your toss.
How is this not the default serve of every pro?
I'm actually against the rule now making pinch spinning the ball at the serve illegal. It makes the serve way more important and it's all skill. You can still read the serve it's just harder. Nowadays the serve isn't even important at all (too easy to return)
Nice compilation! 💪
As a new player to this game(started after this serve was banned) I would probably hate playing this game if I started when this was legal. Best decision ever was to ban this and I'm shocked it wasn't sooner. This makes the game awful
Totally agree. It’s a gimmick.
Google says about pickleball: "The game was first invented in 1965 by three dads in the United States with bored kids."
Pickleball is no longer a bored kids game with what Morgan Evans and many others are doing, especially with the serve.
they named the sport after there dog named pickle
and he always played with a ball
The Reilly Opelka of Pickle ball
I wished they had a camera pointing directly down on the court so you can see how the ball is bouncing in an odd way. If you've ever faced this serve, it's incredibly difficult to return. You cannot anticipate the bounce since you can't read the finger spin from 40 feet away.
The ball is so slow tho, a split step will help
relax guys the opponent will know how to receive it in 3 episode and 1 episode of flashback
I'm glad the nerds and old people finally have a sport to play
Are they not allowed to take the ball in the air on serve? Or could they take it early like how tennis players take the ball early on a kick serve? They all stand back and let the spin fuck them up…
The ball has to bounce once on receive side
@@paulbourdess925 Yeah. But they are still allowed to move their feet though right? Most of the returners were flat footed and just stood there.
Go right to the bounce and half volley this nonsense. But the ball doesn't have a true bounce. Damn this game sucks
He's awesome. I would just have to try return it. Like tennis big serv 120 140 mph. Unless they change rules
What are you on about
This would be more comparable to a tennis "trick" serve where you deceive the opponent. A normal tennis serve is difficult, but can be predicted so it comes down to skill. This serve you don't know what will happen until it bounces and it's too late to react.
@@JamesLuterek your joking right?
Honest question, so what constitutes as a serve toss?
Where is this guy now???
Lmao I started playing this year and this guy is a nobody without his serve hahahaha
Well that serve is illegal, I don’t know why this video is still up
Если кто есть из России, есть ли споты в СПБ где в это можно поиграть? В интернете ничего не видно....
Now I am guessing this isnt allowed, he has to drop the ball, not toss up
I’d like to try. I don’t get why it’s so hard for these people.
It's a combination of 2 things: 1. He's spinning the ball (with his fingers) on his toss, so his paddle is exacerbating the spin, and 2. There's very little baseline room to allow the returner to stand further back to adjust to the spin after it bounces. Thus, he just needs to serve it deep and the returner has extremely little time to adjust to the spin. If the baseline area were larger, they could stand further back to give themselves time, like in tennis where returners have a ton of room to address to slice or twist serves.
You don't suffer from too much humility Mr. McINerney!
You have no idea what will happen until the ball bounces, which is often too late. It may go left, right, or jump forward. So you could square up to it and hope your reflexes return the shot, but it won't be a strong return.
It's way harder than it looks......
@@JamesLuterek yes you do. If he tosses with his palm facing forward the ball bounce to the opponents right. If he tosses with his palm facing back it bounces the other way
Wonder how much his game has been affected because he can't do this anymore.
Cutting the camera in and out sucks let’s see the full angle of the serve
Artist
Looks like a lot of side spin. A good tennis player would be able to deal with it.
Um, a lot of the opponents he aced were good tennis players.
So true, these picklers have no idea. Easy return.
Serving to a bunch of noobs
@@daveo1150 Wrong. High level tournament play against pros.
@@daveo1150 show me a clip of your good tennis LOL
Nice .... but why are some savings this is bad for pickleball ? Just wondering
Because pickleball is not known for being a serve-driven sport, it's traditionally meant to played with longer rallies. Prior to this guy and a few others spinning the ball pre-serve, it's rare to see service aces.
I think this is the one thing I hate most in pickleball. I see so many people win games but they really can't play that well. It's cheap and let be real most of us aren't going pro anytime soon. I think at least for rec play some rules need to be in place. When you cheap someone on a serve it says I'm not good enough to actually play you.
I thought it was illegal to spin a serve.. what is this ??? I could back spin a serve and leave it dead in the kitchen but spin is against the rules on serves in competitions I thought.
Where is he?
Gotta move those feet lol
Well we now know what Morgan was doing on his hiatus from the pro circuit awhile back.
Pro lol
NO MORE Spin Serves...
I think he's doing it with one hand so its not that bad. People who don't know how to do this are just mad but really the way he's spinning it and also slicing it is what makes the ball go haywire. If you just spin the ball and serve it normally nothing would really happen.
I can now spin it more and hit it faster off the drop serve with my Legacy Pro.
so...what his ranking?
The kick Serve in real life 😳
Two-hand backhand returns by a man are shameful.
I thought one of the rules in Pickleball is you can’t spin the ball on your serve . Interesting 🤨
Glad that serve got ban.
And people say tennis is not a sport
Surely when you’ve seen it once, then you know what is coming…
He is able to switch up his super deadly left spin- that looks like it should slice, with an actual slice, and a top spin serve (that all look like they are being served the same way at live speed) super effectively. I think thats why his serve is so deadly, because its so hard to anticipate. With Zanes serve, if youre watching close as his opponent you can easily tell which way he his spinning the ball, and even then its hard to handle.
That’s what I keep thinking.
There is no "it"..."When you see THEM once", you will still be confused. Several different serves that all look the same.
@@tylercox4776 yeah I dunno. Seems like the slice is just normal and then the other one he sorta winds up much more and faces to the left. But I appreciate the keyboard warrior nature of this comment as the reality of facing it in real time will be different.
Great serve, obviously a lot of hours of work. He's not ranked in top 100 men's so I don't see the problem with it effecting the game in the future.
Man, what you don't see would fill a book. If it remained legal, eventually a top-100 pro was going to begin to use this, and then it would have affected things. Gradually more and more pros would begin using their valuable practice time to master a one-trick pony. This would have come at the cost of improvement elsewhere, and the rest of the game would have suffered.
Ankle breaking serve at 3:00
Now banned in 2023! 😬
Amazing! Forget the chainsaw serve.
Great serve but I wonder if it could create shoulder problems for him in the future. Fun video to watch.
Ping Pong players can easily read his serve 😂
actually this would be an illegal serve in table tennis
@@slimpickinses I'm talking about the spin in the serve
Pinch throwing and a little hair spray. Beut!
Hair spray and a bit of skateboard powered glass/silicone. You can spin in another zip code.
With a serve like this, why can't he beat Ben John's and others?
So this guy is the Ivo Karlovic of whatever the fuck this sport is.
I don’t get it,,, it should be easy to return. Just has lot of spin with no pace
because it is like a knuckleball you don't know which way it will break until it does
sure this will not be legal soon.... my 2 cents...
Serve is banned. No wY to play a game. See what you got without it girlie
So this was made illegal just because this ONE GUY was so good at it? BS! So anytime a player comes up with a technique that no one else is can master, (or, ABLE to do), it's to be made illegal? Imagine if Mike Tyson's punching power were made illegal because other fighters couldn't hit back as hard! THIS is BS!
Pingpong
Why are the tennis courts and rackets so small?
Cause this is not the same tennis. This sport is called pickelball.
@@buenosaires2727 lol I know I was joking I’ve tried playing it it’s like table tennis but bigger
Squash is better
Pickle ballers don’t get kick spin.
Lol
lets ban all serves and just start the game by dinking from the non volley line, Gee that would be exciting!! NOT ! To me seems so lame to ban the serves but looks like ole man jenkins will win this battle. watching dinking battles is SO BORING!!
The control on dinking battles and mind games are amazing. Definitely the most exciting! I didn't realize that until I became a decent pickleball player and understood everything involved.
become an elite player: then some of the other stuff might become interesting too.
Hehheh. You said “dink battle”. 😂
He spins the ball with the fingers first and then hit, this shouldn't be allowed,it should declare illegal
Perfectly legal in pickleball.
Why should the rule change?
@@FriskyBearGaming Because the object of the serve is to initiate play, not end it.
@@PaulBCohen Says who?
@@kento1957 Says the same rule maker who also outlawed overhead smash serves.
Love it!
Looks to me like he's imparting spin on the ball when he tosses it up.... illegal in 2023.
No "yellow, green, gold and white".........Black Paddles Matter!!!
Are you kidding me???? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
turn up to the Tourny & realize you’re playing this guy? oh man, I’m done
in 2023 it's illegal
Slo-mo would be nice. Hard to see what's happening.
Your wish is granted, you have just two remaining. Notice the 6 geometric icons in the bottom right corner of the video frame. Click the one that is round with nubs sticking out like a Gear or star with the tips cut off. This is the settings button. Then click on Playback Speed and choose the percentage you desire. .25 or 25% of normal speed all the way up to 2.0 or 200% of normal speed. You can see in slo motion he is spinning the ball between his fingers when he does the toss.
I had no idea. Thanks for teaching me something new Tim!
This channel just takes videos that are already on CZcams. They don't video anything themselves.
There are many men and women who can return that serve.
Of course. He doesn't ace every shot.
@@kento1957 Obviously.
This shit can't be called sport
let's see you try playing.
@@fernandozfrancisco6190 I wouldn't even spend a minute of my life trying this shit
@@maguslloretmunoz2354 Then don't and don't watch pickleball videos. 😄
It looks like his racket is below his wrist which is against the traditional serve rules. Under the new rules I thought the ball had to be dropped and not tossed. Is this serve legal?
Racket below the wrist is the defining trait of a legal toss serve. And you can toss the ball as long as you don’t let it bounce before you hit it.
Just because they have a hard time returning, it should be banned? Losers!
Lol😂 this is pickle ball kids game not tennis
I can't believe this sport is so popular.
She it disgusting gimme week I’ll learn this serve n I’m baseball player and golfer and fisherman utility for reason play anything
You're joking right? This guy would have single-handedly (pardon the pun) ruined the sport if this asinine serve wasn't banned. Open palm and hit the ball out of it... like table tennis. 30 seconds of this video told me everything about this dude.
Ya dumb down the sport and decrease the skill gap to cater to new players and old people. You should learn to adapt to this serve instead of complaining
@@emperorpalpatine4995 Spoken by a guy who would possibly return 1 in 50 of those serves. I'm sure you'd love playing a game where every point is over trying to return this guys serve. Has nothing to do with beginners or the elderly..... every sport has rules to make the game more playable.
Such an easy serve wtf is wrong with people? You have to hit the ball right where it drops to avoid any of the spin factor
sure sucks all fhe fun out of the game. Guess at his level he doesn't have to wait too long after playing for 5 minutes for the naxt available court. I mean really, why bother.
Stupid crap that defeats all the fun of the game. The game shouldn’t just be about “who can spin it the most on a serve and trick their opponent”
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They really should put the walls behind the baseline further back.
Why is the ball going the opposite way is supposed to go? It looks like a snake from this ping-pong guy...oh ok I get he spins it on the opposite rotation with his hand and it looks like he is applying the reverse movement with his paddle 🤣🤣🤣 that's cool lol
The need to take the ball immediately after the bounce
Don’t allow it to spin out
Long time ago ping pong players were spinning the ball with their hands and the sport had just about enough of this behavior so they banned it. They now just throw the ball up straight up. If you can only use the racquet to do what you wish that's fine. Otherwise nope.
Interesting spin but really boring to watch.
Go play it then!
Great, so now pickleball will become unwatchable. Would anyone pay to watch Morgan Evans serve out 11 straight points? That's not sport; that's a trick shot. It's not how the serve was intended to be hit. There's a reason there's three seconds and goaltending in basketball. Because without those rules, tall guys would stand under the basket and dunk on one end while swatting away shots on the other. No one would watch that -- and no one will watch this if the serve isn't outlawed.
Newbee here, but do agree. It's fun to watch, but defeats the purpose of what pickleball is all about. Needless to say, I'm going to be trying to do some of these serves I've been watching on CZcams.
Disagree. This sport along with every other sport will grow and adapt over time thanks to innovative players like evans. The kick serve when first invented probably had similar outrage but anyone can learn it and anyone can learn to defend against it, just like Morgan’s serve.
Jack S., I'll see you on this page two years from now. If the chainsaw serve has not been regulated in some way, we'll see where we're at.
Agree. In slo mo it appears he’s snapping/spinnng the ball on the toss, wonder if it contributes to the overall spin and extreme bounce and deviation. Then he comes around under in a U and hits the ball from the inner side, intensifying the spin?
He spin with the fingers first and then hit, this shouldn't be allowed
who invented this game?
It's easy to hit that once you see it once or twice
easier said than done. the bounce is consistently inconsistent.
Chou got aced 8 times in their match... and hes a phenominal player.
Plz show us how you would do
Should be able to pick it up the 2nd time you see it
I'm a pro level player and I can tell you that your comment is extremely naive...many of the players this serve is making look foolish are professionals. You'd have no chance even after a full day of him serving to you.
@@brh2222 bet you i would
GROSS, it made it into a game that nobody has interest in..
Even if they got the ball over Morgan would still win the point because they would be hitting it to low
You want to hit it low, not high