ABRAMS VS 56x IRAQ TANKS + BMP-1s - ACCURATE 73 EASTING BATTLE SIMULATION - WAR THUNDER
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- Hey guys! Welcome back to the Thunder with Muffin channel. A new challenge in War Thunder is waiting for you in this video DESERT STORM - 73 EASTING BATTLE - LAST GREATEST TANK BATTLE - 8x ABRAMS VS 40x T-55, T-62, T-72 & 16x BMP-1!!! Stay tuned!
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From many commenting and mentioning I say Iranian at one part, I do mess up and accidentally say Iranian once and thank you for those catching it. I meant to say Iraqi.
Twice
What song is used in the intro?
Is it in simulation ? So we can have something réal...
The thing is we were able to catch them as they were trying to deploy. I remember watching greatest tank battles seeing this
Yeah, we broke through the front line so quickly that the reserve vehicles making up about half the total strength were still starting up making them easy prey.
the fact that T62 and T55 cannot do anything to abrams
@@urlocaldealerw47k3r5 they could but they'd have to be very lucky to hit the spot. its the driver port
@@shikikanaz4624 This is another big key, the ground was flatter allowing the Abrams to stay well outside of range of Iraqi tanks.
The issue wasn't that they were still setting up. They had set up too far back to engage the bottom of the abrams hull as they crested the hill and this got obliterated.
I believe the flatter ground would have been an advantage for the abrams due to it having a longer firing range than the older soviet made tanks.
That's not a belief. That's a fact.
In testimonies from the battle, US tank crews reported that Iraqi tank shells often hit the ground short as the Abrams hit them with impunity from the top of a ridge at range.
wasnt it the optics that clinched it I'm?
And almost all of the allied forces where obscured by dust while the iraqis were seen from beyond their range by thermal scopes and also having far inferior communication and intelligence directing them. If done over again the results should be the exact same.
We shot a T-55 at 3870 meters. The flat ground would have definitely was an advantage. This game is not a very good simulator and the participants don't know tactics very well.
I wish war thunder actually had in game missions like this, sort of a PvE event, Seems so fun.
It's only a game, not a simulator.
@@TheJimtanker still would be fun to have historical battles in it
@@therealgaben5527 they do, missions. But they do need to be unlocked and some are just garbage
I appreciate the attention to detail and research that goes into these videos. A good gamemaster and players make these videos interesting
Thank you
@@ThunderWithMuffinthank you for finnaly making this video
When warthunder armchair generals try to make a simulation it's just hilarious.
Hardware is an important variable as are graphical settings and skill.
A monitor with higher PPI will prevail over a lesser one,
Someone with Anti-aliasing aka eye candy settings will also see something similiar to better PPI
Graphics in ULQ will allow better recognition and distinction between terrain and tank.
Good Post FX and brightness settings will allow better contrast and sharper image, mitigate weather modifications.
It then goes doen to tactics/strategy,
Which side has patience?
Who is utilizing better teamwork and communications?
Then it comes down to skill, who has grasped better utilization of stabilizers?
Shooting on the move and accounting external momentum.
On the last parts of the video a person shooting the A-10 warthog overshoots and misses his shot by miles.
Then the A-10 crashing on the ground with no care for his survival or life, such being called simulation is already an insult.
The US players don't know or didn't use tactics very well.
Good to see you are feeling better, definitely a different narration but good luck recovering so we can have more fun like this
Thank you, my voice is almost all the way back and couldn’t let everyone waiting much longer for another vid
@razrz6660 lol thanks
Wow! Excellent! 2:40: "Iranian forces", I guess they didn't join though ;-)
The US players definitely keep pushing up way too aggressively for their own good in this
No reason for the Abrams to close the distance which would play into Iraqi hands. They simply snipe from distance while the enemy T-72s are helpless to return fire at range.
To be fair the terrain was hilly enough that the Iraqis could let the Americans come
@@TSD4027 Exactly, those side deaths to T-55s were absolutely avoidable
hey for anyone interested you can activated the ballistic computer(but it is a diffrent option to activating the normal bc) for the A-10 inside the cockpit and when you do that it shows you when to pull up. Also works for Bombs
It has a computer for bombs, rockets and its cannon.
Really like how repairs weren't allowed
This was so much fun to participate in! Great video!
Thank you!
That music is from the Desert Combat mod for battlefield 1942! Feeling nostalgic now.
This was a good reenactment of the battle minus a couple things that War Thunder just isn't capable of in part. Firstly, there was a large sand storm during the battle that obscured the vision of both sides until American forces picked up targets on their thermal vision and engaged. The Iraqis could not see the American tanks due to the weather and lack of thermal equipment. As you said in the video the terrain was flat which helped the Americans because the Abrams with the assistance of thermal vision had a farther engagement range than the Iraqi T-55 and T-72 tanks. With this they were able to engage targets at will with the Iraqis not being able to conduct counter fire. You also had Bradleys that were mostly scouting vehicles minus having the TOW missile system for the troops with the Abrams in reserve that had the larger guns. You also had a lot more forces committed on the field than War Thunder can provide and with War Thunder of course being a video game there are certain aspects and solutions that you just can't accurately conducted. One of these is as someone else pointed out that a fair portion of the crews of the Iraqi tanks were out of their vehicles and for the ones in their vehicles I can almost guarantee they were not expecting the Americans to be there. Again overall a good reenactment and was fun to watch!
Thank you!
Love those historical battle, the turns out are really quite close to the actual battle.
Battle of tear valley next maybe?
5 centurion with HESH and experience player doing defense vs tons T62 and T55 control by less experience player doing assault.
Or maybe just let the Israel team allow discord voice chat.
Nothing like the real battle. Not even close. I know, I was there.
LET ME PARTICIPATE IN THIS ONE PLEASE
The Iraqi players should’ve been all new German mains that just got their first Tigers
The reason the abrams had no losses ,was because the Iraqis were on a reverse slope defense , and half the crews were out of the tanks .. the Bradley’s had better fire control systems that gave the m1a1 better fire aspects..
We won because we were better than them. I know this first hand. I was in Charlie Co. 3rd Batt. 35th Armor Regt. 1st Armored Division.
@@tanker335 Thank goodness. Now i know that VC and talibros are better than the US regardless of condition, situation, strategy, equipment, or political dabacle behind it since they are able to drive the US out of their countries.
@@tanker335 you won against outdated tanks. Hooray lmao
@@jackdaniels6536 Sucks to be those outdated tank crews.
@@lordpumpkinhead265 sucks to be american idiot
complete annihilation of the t55’s at the beginning. also from what i could see the bradleys they had were m3a3 bradleys. they also had air support from ah-64 apaches.
The one thing missing is the fact that there was a huge dust storm which gave the Americans a huge tactical advantage with inferred sights
The closest thing war thunder had to simulate this was most/fog to help reduce visibility
@3:00 that's the Battlefield 2: Desert Combat mod menu music. Jesus christ, the wave of nostalgia that hit me upon recognizing it was pretty intense. Such many hours of enjoyment from it.
Try doing a simulator battle where where's a bomber formation with escort. Then the other team should try to shoot down all the bombers. I've done escort stuff in sim battles and it's really fun to watch.
Nice to see recreation of famous tank battles. There are a few problems. The Iraqi where surprised and the sand was much more blinding for the Iraqi troops
The Abrams also had better range then the Iraqi tanks, we could see then and hit them from a safe range. The Iraqi tank shells would fall short.
@@militaryman815yt5 yeah there is definitely Russian bias with WT T-72. Also a good loader on a M1 can reload in 4 sec
Most reports also say the Iraqis only had access to 3BM23 so the M1s were completely impenetrable from the front.
@@ferociousfil5747moral and crew training also really matter
This was the real life equivalent of having a boxing match with a baby expecting the crowd to cheer at such a phenomenal performance on your end like it’s a surprise 😂.
Thermonuclear bomb vs crying baby
Initially people called for the M60 to be the main tank for the Army over the Abrams
War isn’t fair 🤷🏻♂️
Even though I wasn't the best sim pilot it was fun to participate and actually be able to help with the outcome! Cant wait for the next one
bro were you the one who didn’t pull up in time?
Bro literally farm through the American branch of attack jet and still can't pull up before is too late.
@@rabbit1360 No, the one with the missing wing.
Pretty much the only A-10 that got a kill or two that match lol
Sorry I couldn't get the discord audio to work. It was a fun event though. And I like the new music you use in this video.
Thank you and no worries:)
Two days ago was just the 32nd anniversary of this battle; excellent timing to upload and gorgeous video🙌👏
Man, the music makes this into a War movie :0
I would also love to see a recreation of the battle of Arras, British matilda 2s (2/3 of the total force) with French armoured support (1/3 of the total force) vs 5x the number of Germans with only panzer 2s and 3s
Abrams tanks had the highly classified Chobham armor which to this days no one knows the capabilities of the technology. What we know in the Gulf war was that even 125mm APFSDS wasn't capable of penetrating the frontal arc, often deflecting them.
Also the rounds used by the M1A1s were Depleted Uranium which were like silver bullets with extremely lethal effect against all known Soviet armor.
In War Thunder, the Abrams is dialed back to allow more parity in game play which makes a lot of sense as a game, otherwise everyone would be stacking to one nation
Yeah
The thing you left out was the Abram's having heavy battle DU armor plates but that's not in game and you fail to let the m1a1's able to shoot them at 2 miles away because in the battle that's what the Abram's did and you should of made it so the T-72 were not able to use laser range finders since they didn't have them back then heard stories about how the Abrams were so far away that T-72 just started exploding because the t72 were not in range to fire at them
Don't forget that the iraq army didn't have access to the best ammo for their tanks
@@pointlessless2656 I know this some t72 were found to be firing training rounds at Abrams I know the entire story of the wars with the Abrams but a recent accident at a training firing ground a Abrams hit another Abrams in the side with the crew still in it somehow a Abrams hit another Abrams in the side with a training round and it didn't get into the side of the Abrams but it did dent the side of the Abrams because the Abrams had only steel for armor during the training drill but the round never got in with it being just steel armor the loader was the only one hurt but not badly hurt hurt because the paint on the wall hit him at a high speed making the paint basically razor blades he got cut up but was very good in the situation that happen make note the training round Hit the tank in steel armor only and didnt get in and it got hit in the weakest side part of the Abrams and only dented the hull that should tell you how well the Abrams is and the side of the Abrams is what like 130mm thick on the side behind the skirts
The Iraq T-72 are something completley different than what for example Russia got.
The Iraq ones got an effective firing range of below 2km.
Russian ones got 5-8km (depending on ammunition used).
Range is KING since ages and even more today.
@@miriamweller812 some of them werent even firing apfsds and were just using solid shot shells, the main issue wasnt the ammo though, it was the fact that the iraqis couldnt even see the abrams firing at them from 2km away.
Less than a third of the Abrams in the Gulf War had DU armor.
This was a great video! The historical accuracy, the A10s it was fun! I have a video suggestion, you should make a video in war thunder about Operation Nasr, it was the biggest tank battle in the Iran-Iraq war!
We don’t speak of the Harrier, Corsair, P63, or the biplanes that tried to spawn lol.
Lol
Wow an A-10 actually helping the team you don’t see that very often
Homeboys in the bradleys and abrams didn't back out to reload. They just left themselves out in the open and didn't reposition either.
Also for the round with the A-10s, those 2 Warthogs could probably singlehandedly eliminate all 25 enemies lmao
Love how creative muffin is✌
Please do more historical battles, ground and air
General: Mmm I do love the smell of freedom.
Private: Sir? The smell is from our enemies who are being burnt alive in their tanks...
General: I know... And I love it.
FREEDOM🦅🦅🦅
You mean OPPRESION!!
@@evobsm2328 say that to communists, they know way better than you
Freedom who raaaaaahhhhhhh
@@lelandgrubson2736you mean america? You guys dont even have healthcare and your jobs dont pay as well. Everything goes to your 1% ers. Isnt that communism then? You can only choose between 2 bad presidents wich will be the sole rulling authority ( im sorry ). Being forced to choose between a crumbling old man or a delusional millionaire as president is pretty sad.
@@evobsm2328 healthcare insurance? In America? Do you live there?
Cause I definitely don't live there 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Most of the BMPs in iraqi army were BMPs with Malyutka joystick guided ATGMs. Not BMP-1Ps. And i hope you used actual shells used by the Iraqi army (i believe 3BM12? some sort of short steel rod sabot). Also there should have been plenty of M60A3TTS. Probably quarter of the deployed tanks in first iraq war were M60A3TTS.
I was in Desert Storm and never ever saw an M60. The Iraqis had T54s, T55s, T64s, and the Republican Guard had T72s.
M60A3s were used by the marine corps during the liberation of Kuwait. They were used in the battle for the Kuwait national airport. The battles of 73 easting and Norfolk were purely army and British. They were only using M1A1HAs during 73 easting
@@LaYarddog T64?? Seems like you're full of shit or in an off chance that you actually were there was in the back in some insignificant role, but like to bolster around how you're a vet and was in the gulf...
@Sveta Damn, you got me. The keyboard warrior strikes again. I don't need to bolster anything. Unlike yourself, I served for 20 years in the army. Desert Storm Vet....front line, B Co. 3/37 AR, 1ST Infantry Division Ft. Riley, Ks. Three tours in Iraq. If you don't know what a T64 is, maybe you should educate yourself. Also, get out of your moms basement.
This was amazing to watch. To bad about the chat voice overs cause that would have been fun. In that last match they should have called in air support after losing the first 2 abrams.
I can tell your trying to get your voice back,hope you feel completely better soon!
Cool to see how close to the original outcome the first round was. I guess wt is semi accurate 🤣
ok give one side cover to retreat & reload and give the other none i wonder who'll win...
These battles are crazy. I love it
Glad to hear:)
Great video, also i appreciate the research that went in
Did the BMPs have ATMs back in the day though? The Soviet ones did but did they sell them to Irak, or did Irak use them? Good video though, I liked how you included part of the soundtrack of the Battlefield 1942 Desert Combat Mod.
Great video keep them comming! The reason for us not loosing any tanks during that battle irl was the Iraqis were armed with only training ammo! They had no chance against the Abrams.
Oh wow and thanks for sharing!
What, I think they used regular ammo. the reason was the abrams in war thunder is a different variant than the one in the gulf war or it lacks the features. The one used in desert storm is the M1A1HA with depleted uranium armor which made it impervious to even itself. It could be tho that they used training ammo
The main issue here is that on the real Abrams, the lower glacis is, minimally, 1200mm RHAN equivelant thickness - and that's if it was just solid steel, because that's how much material is between the interior and exterior of the hull. The Abrams mantlet is also not a weak spot in real life, and neither is the top part of the hull where the drivers hatch is. It's fair to say the Abrams is gimped in WT, but so is every other NATO tank which all are missing armor all over the place.
What I'd also like to point out is that the Iraqis didnt have many ATGM's available for their BMP's, and I can't actually find anything that says they actually used any ATGM's from a BMP at all during the battle of the 73 Easting
Imagine If one day they add the ability to make maps that would make historic battle like this closer to the reality.
Or, even more unlikely, maps that aren't horribly designed
@@kaih7647 that to
Id love than
It’s already been done a decade ago. The WW2 game brothers in arms was created off of historical maps, actual pictures of towns and after action reports. They even got the landscape so accurate that they added destroyed vehicles in the exact places.
@@2AVET I didn't knew that.
Thank you so much for this video!!
Love to see another video from you! And this time something close to replicating history! Would love to see more of these types of videos here and there!
Also I seriously need to check out your past couple vids. Been busy. Keep up the amazing work!
I know it’s as close as you can get but the version that was used is different than the one in game. The version was the M1A1HA with depleted uranium armor which made it almost impossible for anything to pen it. Most abrams should have it but probably fro balance reasons and because it’s classified it’s not on the M1A1HC, M1A1, M1A2, M1A2 sep. but du would be broken because first gen du would be completely invincible
First gen du creates a plasma forcefield around the tank that melts all kinds of projectiles incoming towards the tank. Trust me my uncle is joe biden.
@@Phapchamp no like it’s extremely strong. There are reasons why the abrams is the most survivable and protected tank in the world and this is why. The battle of 73 easting not a single abrams was damaged because it was just impossible to pen
@@apersondoingthings5689 Few hundred kilograms of improvised explosives and fertilizers begs to differ
@@Phapchamp okay cool 73 easting the abrams rolled over every explosive the Iraqis had and were completely un phased. Besides those are Saudi m1s which are an export version which lack the du of the U.S.. every single export variant doesn’t have du which is why they suffer damage while us ones don’t really. IEDs can damage them but how would depleted uranium do anything against that when du makes it invulnerable to any thing to the top. Most other tanks would suffer heavier damage than the abrams too because of the U.S. enhanced protection on the abrams along with having them be anti ied vehicles with diggers. Only 9 Abrams have been destroyed all of them scuttled by the crews or friendly fire. That’s a pretty hard thing to kill if no combat has actually destroyed one. So no an ied will not easily destroy a U.S. M1 abrams that’s just outlandish. Out of every tank in the world you pick the one that is the strongest against ieds
saying DU is impenetrable is just superweapon mentality
the main reason why USA won almost every engagement is intelligence & flexibility.
I was the BMP that killed the abrams first round!
Thanks for organizing this, not meant as shade at you but I'll probably use this as evidence anytime someone tells me War Thunder is extremely realistic.
I swear all pilots in ground rb are programmed to fly straight in to the ground, great vid
Thanks
Fr
More historical Battles!!!
Next time around make sure to research load outs too. The Iraqis didn’t have the Konkurs missiles on their BMPs and only had Falangas.
Good point
Very entertaining!
Both sides used artillery towards the end of the battle. The Iraqi batteries fired at Ghost Troop but their shots landed behind the American vehicles. In response, US self propelled guns used special radar to locate Iraqi guns and accurately return fire.
THIS SONG! DESERT COMBAT MOD! HOLY SHIT THE NOSTALGIA
Winter Abrams is meh and it was a blast to be apart of this amazing event!!! 10/10 would do again!
Cool!🤩, Winther war next?🤩
Weren't the US tanks out of effective range for the Iraqi tanks IRL? I remember mentioned of Iraqi shells falling short in front of the US forces. Iirc the range at which the US tanks engaged was something like 3km. With the T72 125mm gun only having a range of 2.5km or something.
16:32 nice move by the Iraqi tank
Not 100 on this but another factor was that even though it was flatter, the Abrams range was greater than the Iraqi vehicles, which allowed for an American advantage
Things to remember about the real battle: it was a surprise engagement at night, the Iraqis didn't know until the last moment. There's also the training of the individual Iraqi crew members to account for, which wasn't very good.
Is it just me or did muffins voice sound deeper? Not that it is bad it does set the mood very nicely.
I just got out of being really sick but doing much better now and hoping my voice will be a 100% back to normal soon
That special needs A-10 Camo though lol
The thing is fcs isn’t really modeled into the game. Fire control is half of the firepower equation. That’s what gives usually western tanks a huge advantage over t72 variants
This Music gives me Battlefield 1942 Desert Combat Flashbacks xD
You can't remake a historical battle using warthunder, since the Abrams tanks in this game are gaijin fantasy tanks with little to no real armor.
The desert was flat... like a solid white pool table. You could see, using just night vision goggles, about 20 KM at night during a decent moon. Also, no grass growing. You didn't have any type of grass until the "green desert" months of March, and even then, it never got more than about an inch or so high after the rains in March.
This shows that even war thunder players are better than Iraqi military was trained. 😂😂😂
I was gonna comment that!
This is the coolest battle you have done yet!
There's a weather mod floating around, maybe you tried and it wasn't on the latest version of the game, but if not, you totally should have used it, you could have gotten a sandstorm, much worse visibility, much more advantage to the US vehicles with thermals.
"Son i remember when the iraq tried to attack us, that was the best target practicing of my life."
There is a big problem with this video.
"War Thunder" and "ACCURATE SIMULATION" Do not go well togheter.
Well as accurate as I could try and make it anyway lol
I believe that it was a tactical mistake for the Abrams to get much closer. With their optics advantages, tough frontal armor against the older Soviet tanks, and ability to kill them from nearly any angle, they would've been better off keeping the range advantage and whittling down the Iraqi numbers until they were low enough to close in on.
Really, their biggest threat in that first round were the BMPs firing ATGMs.
Yay this was worth the wait
Wow that was great, I wanna watch more soo I will sub and leave like :)
2:40 “while the Iranian forces ….”Dudeeeee
Background music reminds me of desert combat mod for battlefield 1942
The iraqis soon ate dinner that night with a noticeable lack of onions
Iranian? 🤔😂 That must be the future version of the video.
Just a couple of gripes, mainly with the narration.
You said 'The Iranian Forces' a couple of times. You also called them 'Iraqian'. The correct term is 'Iraqi'.
Iraq would have had access to T-55's and Chinese Type 59 and 69's. I don't think they had access to the T-55AMD.
They didn’t have the AMD but a few of their T-55s had similar domestics upgrades, if fact with better add on armor but still keeping the terrible original optics. I don’t think these were used at 73 Easting though but some were used earlier during Khafji.
Abrams need to travel as a wolfpack and shoot and move. Thats why we have those engines. Use them.
Another important factor is the difference in crew quality as well as WT famously not being historically accurate, especially when USSR and Russian vehicles are concerned
U should do German: Leopard 2A6 vs us: Abram
Maybe make more cinematic shots like from above diffrient perspectiv
Great reenactment vid, if you plan on doing more of them later on, I have a suggestion that could be a real fun vid to make, it's about the Golan Heights, there is alot of videos and documentaries explaining what happened there, and it was one hell of a battle.
of course the man in the A-10 is a fellow scots man
I prefer videos without the chaos voice chat, but these are all wonderfully done!
Interesting that in Warthunder the Bradleys are a hinderance while in real life they killed more tanks than Abrams did.
That is actually a massive misconception, the Bradleys killed more total Armored Vehicles (which consists of MBTs, IFVs, APCs, and Armored Cars or Armored Trucks). The Abrams still killed the lion's share of actual MBTs destroyed by ground forces.
OMG there's so much freedom in this video that 25 Iraqi kids died just for seeing it...
I hate ho people use 73 Easting as the last tank battle, but ignore Medina Ridge, which was larger and a day later. i know, i was there.
Maybe I should make that into a vid one day
it was way more one sided in the actual battle because the iraqi vehicles didnt have powered traverse and had to hand crank everything, on top of being export models with less than adequate armor they were also not using modern ammunition. the battle was over before it began
Can anyone give me the the initial context of operation desert storm? because I'm not originally from us. Thank you
US invaded iraq because they posed a threat to the oil business, to depose Iraqi dictator saddam husssain, and to end the sanctions that have been ravaging the Iraqi people.
Iraq invaded Kuwait in August of 1990. A US led coalition forced Iraq to withdraw. They started an air campaign in January of 91. A month later, they began the ground campaign which lasted 4 days (the hundred hour war).
You don’t have to be an American to know the context of the first Gulf War, judging by your name if you are Muslim and from the middle east you should probably knew that Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990 and a coalition force was assembled after Saddam threatened to take Mecca and Medina from the Saudis while also calling them an illegitimate controller of the islamic holy cities, Operation Desert Shield which preceded Operation Desert Storm aims to protect Saudi Arabia against any potential incursions or invasion by Saddam’s Baathist Iraq, after the end of the air campaign and coalition buildup was completed the coalition forces began Operation Desert Storm, successfully liberating Kuwait and a brief Invasion of Iraq, a ceasefire was signed not long after that on 28th February 1991
US gave approval for Saddam to take back Kuwait into Iraq.
Saddam annexes Kuwait.
US demolishes Iraq.
*inserts Panzer Battalion*
oof That music from the menu of Desert Combat hits hard
Your should do a prt 2 and see what happens a second time
There should have been some Bradley’s in this as there were some in the real battle