Kick Showdown: Analyzing JKD and Savate Techniques
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- čas přidán 15. 12. 2023
- Today we are comparing the similarities between Jun Fan Gung Fu (Jeet Kune Do Concepts) and Savate!
Thanks to @SifuNate for taking his time to share his knowledge with us today!
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It was fun kicking it at the park in Tokyo with you bro!!!
Thank you for sharing your knowledge!! Can’t wait to go back to japan again!
I follow the both of you. Good to see the both of you together ☺️ one question…did y’all spar?🫡
Now I gotta follow Sifu Nate.
Nate is fake instructor JKD, poor technique and know...bullshit arts
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Hello, I am a member of an association trying to restore traditional French martial arts. ( AAMF)
Indeed, it is not only the savate but also the natural method (Hebertism) ancestor of the obstacle course which crossfit by removing the philosophical principles very oriented towards altruism.
As well as our wrestling techniques, our practice of weapons (in addition to the cane, the stick has two ends, the dagger, the French sword, the saber, agricultural weapons, etc.) and the combat method of the last master who died a few years ago (Robert Laffont) which is a very fast, complete combat technique: panache.
To this you can also add "military hand-to-hand combat", ancestors of close combat which was used during the First World War in the trenches.
Your videos are excellent. you have clearly understood the footwork with the sole of the shoe which is at the heart of the technique (basically the peasants of northern France wore wooden shoes. this type of kick probably comes from there)
On the other hand, your gestures are still “too sporty.”
In savate we stand leaning back to protect ourselves from blows (the habit of boxers is to move forward but here the logic of cashing in is prohibited).
the fist is rarely practiced because it is too dangerous and must constitute a transition between the distance of the foot and the fight (which itself includes wrestling blows: head, shoulder, elbow, knee)
You are leaning too far forward which forces you to keep one of your arms in protection rather than using it as a balancer to amplify the movement.
I encourage you to continue. Do not hesitate to come and discuss these questions with us (we will answer you in English) on our discord.
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In JKD, you don't see the kick coming, so you can't stop it if it's cultivated. In Savate, you may see the kick starting, but you have no idea where it's landing or what type of kick it will be; it may change in flight. Both concepts are great and can be intermixed. As someone once said Speed, force and deception. Super video.
JKD was partially inspired by it so that's pretty cool
Against an untrained/barely trained fighter, yeah definitely. But the more experienced fighters will see the telegraph from the Pendulum Step because the step comes before the Kick. Of course Bruce Lee trained it so much that he would be quick enough to potentially get away it.
We have JEET TEK and LIN DUM TEK (oblique kick)
Super interesting! Thanks for this awesome video!
Jerry!
Woah!! Thank you for watching sir!! I love your videos! 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Your guest really has a great understanding of what JKD is technique-wise. It stays true to the framework of techniques that Bruce implemented and used in JKD. Very refreshing to see. Most people nowadays think that JKD is just MMA where each person adds certain moves or changes things up. The reality is that JKD is a standalone combat system that is not meant to be changed or modified. Certainly not in street fight context - it will require slight modifications if you’re implementing it in a sporting context though. Great video!
😊 So cool. Great discussion/comparison vid. Keep going!
Nice work, Kevin. You’re a great host. Promoting respectful exchange with other artists is far more interesting than artists being competitive or claiming their art is superior.
Solid, informative and accessible content for the martial artist.Thank you for these videos.
Another Great video Kev! To me it looks like JKD uses kicks like Jabs, where Savat uses kicks like crosses and hooks.
Beautifully done sifu!! 🙏
In lots of books etc bruce lee mentioned lots of arts he utilised techniques from savate being one of them also western boxing and fencing for entry and footwork learned from his brother i believe
Bruce didn't research other martial arts to incorporate their techniques in to JKD! His intention behind his research was to know the pros & cons of those martial arts & exploit their weaknesses.
This is what real JKD is
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Good work both!
great stuff!
Nice video Kevin
Thanks
For chassé frontal, you can connect with the entite foot, the heel or the tip
kevin is such a nice person, kind, humble, and wise. He will be a true master. All my support to what you do.
Dude, he already is and has been for a very long time, look at his rankings on his website or Sifu Francis's. By the way Nate never trained with any lineage directly down from Bruce like Kevin did who trained and was certified black sash in Jun Fan JKD under guro Dan Inosanto. He's certified in Savant, Thai boxing under Ajarn Chai, black sash in Wing Chun under sifu Francis Fong and many other styles. Sorry about my spelling I'm dictating. ❤
The pendulum kick is very similar to the leg movement in kung fu tang lang. Amazing content as always guys
Really interesting!
Discussions like this are key. We might not know all the answers or reasons, but we explore this stuff and learn as we go.
I keep reminding myself that Bruce Lee pulled from so many styles without the many resources and extensive information sharing we have now. He had some legendary teachers, that's for sure! Lee, along with many of the martial arts greats of his time, noticed flaws or weaknesses in certain arts and systems. I think we could sometimes benefit from doing this too. I know some of my traditional arts have weak points, but you can't mention it haha. We only tend to see weaknesses in the other styles, not the ones we do.
Lee was so skilled at seeing those flaws and then filling the gaps, modifying and merging. It worked tremendously well. I am watching a lot of his movies now as part of a MA movie advent challenge, so so good.
Kevin, I like your approach of learning from all styles and individuals, looking for commonality and embracing the differences. Thank you and well done.
Controversial fact Bruce was actually against mixing JKD with other martial arts!
Very cool Savate/JKD is something ive always wanted to learn. I like its distance management. I am a mantis kung fu practioner and we tend to fight in range rather than out. Adding this so i can play in both ranges
Your videos are incredible
Loved it brother ❤
Kevin, you just keep amazing and impressing me, not only with your knowledge and skill, but those you also bring on your program.
So, I had to stop training early october, fell down my "landlords perfect cellar stairs" and got a full thickness tear of my supraspinatus and tears to bicep of my left shoulder, and I am a southpaw. Dr suggests operation, both orthoscopic and then opening to repair tears.
Says with PT six months should be good as new. Every one I've talked to whose had surgery with this Dr says he does great work.
He knows I'm into martial arts. What kind of strength training would you suggest for my shoulder after surgery, healing and their PT?
The differences are subtle, but the similarities are quite profound. Footwork, range, timing, I personally like the stop kicks from Savate and the intercepting techniques From Jeet Kune Do. Savate's swing hook, Chasse italian and Spinning hook kick are fun tools to use when sparring also. As far as arts are concerned, it feel like JKD and Savate are cousins 😅. Awesome Video!
you two are like the real life bloodhounds characters 😂🔥(amazing korean martial arts tv series)
in all seriousness this was a great video and youre both awesome people and great martial artists, respectful and humble❤
Love JKD, when I became a basic instructor in the late 90's I was already a amateur boxing champion and I remember we'd train Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday mornings. Other days all the instructors trained in BJJ, Boxing, Mauy Thai, and other arts. We'd all share and make things better. I fought in MMA and we had a few guys that made it to early UFC and KOTC.
Thank for the class thacher
You is tremendous eminence in the grup
Due respect Sifu and thanks for the great analysis from both of you. And I know you're hosting but let's face it you know more about Bruce Lee's kicking philosophy w/ Sifu Fong ( via Dan ) than anybody except the first generation such as your other teacher Guro Dan Inosanto. ( As u know, Bruces best friend and who trained the most with him compared to anyone; even Sifu Taky rip.) Direct lineage does mean something still.... even today.
Back in the beginning of my teen years early 90's had some training in JKD
reminds me of Kempo as well. I've done a few of those kicks back in my day
loved the Tram set on ASOT... Nice Set Nifra
Nothing about JKD is mechanical and doesn't give the opponent time to think or time to set up all offensive just like the legend says be like water !!
Nice lah video ni
Nice 👍
I hope you did a collab video with Ryuji shirakawa of shinburenseijuku, his aikido videos are awesome
@10:28 in Tekken, we call it a 50/50 mix up
Je-Tek in old Savate is called Souplesse Latéral. In early to mid 20th century fighters in Boxe Française and Savate (2 différent arts) used it like a jab.
Never heard of souplesse latérale. It’s not a savate technic of any méthode of savate
Savate uses lighter kicks because it was actually meant to be used for self defense, with hard shoes (so no need to hit hard to make damage).
What do you think is charm and characteristics of savate compared to taekwondo and kickboxing?
Treino os dois conceitos 🇧🇷
I need to know how to turn correctly in center line theory. eg. How to turn correctly to do tan Sao, bon Sao what us the correct foot work to get turned
Some kicks in jkd is in hung gar to one of the kicks from hung gar is no shadow kick
I LOVE MARTIAL ARTS.
Oblique and Round kick is called Butterfly kick
The dueling audio inputs was…a lot. The mic and the video recording device both running audio or something
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1:50 I didn't know Bruce Lee did the Lift then slide. Also I always associated that way of Kicking with Karate. Of course Savate influenced Karate so it makes sense.
My best part 12:50
I love you kevin
I know this man as MaskedDefender
Whatever works for you, I'll say
i thought you were a win chun guy
isn't savate a sport in it's whole ?
That's cool. NICCCCE. 😂SHUUUT UP
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はい! そうです！
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Blend and speartackle.
What are good shoes for Savate? I'm thinking if I got one size bigger and stuff the front with a sock to add padding, it could be ideal.
My only issue with kicking with shoes is the soles will wear out kick especially when doing Roundhouse kick.
you are not Lee Asians Chinese or koreans always copy English lee .
lol…Kevin you are very kind.
With the pendulum footwork the rear foot moves first. Go ahead and try moving the lead leg first and let me know how that goes.
Your guest does not understand the motion he is using…classic. He is moving his weight forward first, not his lead leg.
Some of his Jeet Tek advice is kinda wack, but whatever.
Your guest does not have a deep understanding.
😂 seen your videos. You are 🚮 😂😂😂😂😂. Maybe U should speed up your videos.
@@theoneaboveall7708 You obviously have zero eye. The guy in the video is talented, but the rear foot moves first. Period. He obviously shifts his weight forward first, and you cannot lift a foot with weigh my in it.
Grow up and keep it classy. I never insulted anyone.
They should just stop calling it JKD and just say *_"The Bruce Lee Style"_*
Bruce Lee actually wrote about Savatte kicks in his book
You mean his notes right? According to Jesse Glover the Tao of JKD is not a great book to understand where Bruce was heading with his martial art! In fact a person reading that book would most likely misunderstand where Bruce Lee was actually heading with his martial art!
This Nate guy....not really good sorry. Not good at all.
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