What Happens if you Kick a BOXER?! The Power of Kicks: Savate vs Boxing ft
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- čas přidán 12. 02. 2023
- One of the most fascinating studies in what happens when a boxer takes on a kickboxer who has a style of kickboxing very different than your standard Muay Thai or Dutch-style. In this dojo challenge match, Taiwanese boxer Xiao Pan aka @BOXPAN goes to seek out a sparring session with One Championship veteran Florian Garel. Florian's striking is Karate and Savate based. Xiao Pan tries his luck sticking to only boxing while enduring the crazy kick combinations of Florian's savate. Let's see the beauty of savate style kickboxing as well as appreciate what Xiao Pan did correctly with boxing! Leave your comments below and let me know what you saw and what you want to see next!
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Savage is an amazing fighting style!!
Guys, this is Boxpan! Make sure to follow him!
Savate***
@igormarciodesouza760 we know what hes on about grammar police
Savate not Savage
savate is savage
That savate dude is stupidly skilled at kicking, that was beautifull to watch. Almost like a freaking videogame character. That low kick near the end that almost swept the boxer is actually more of a leg pull it seems, using the foot. Super f'ing cool man.
I’m going to look for more savate footage. One of my coaches did some savate training, so I might look at some of the sparring footage I have.
@@FightCommentary great, I'll love seeing more of it!
That kick is basic stuff in shotokan
@@1individeo I mean that is also the case in most Kung Fu Styles, Pencak Silat, almost every other Karate Style, every Capoeira Style, Hapkido, Taekkyon and the Chung Do Kwan style of Taekwondo (it kinda is present on the other taekwondo styles but they just do not practice those tecniques anymore). but that does not make it any less cool
@@Adimoolah karaté? Ashi barai? Look for Karate for mma by Lyoto Machida
Most Savate kicks are designed to be done wearing shoes . They pop you with the hard toe or heel in a whip like fashion so it hurts a lot more than it might look like. They pick very precise targets. It's a great art to study on it's own or as a supplement to what you already do.
Sounds like a good martial art for modern France where basically all self-defense weapons are illegal. Can't outlaw good boots.
@@connorperrett9559 France also has france combat wich is like the equivalent of U.S.A 's MCMAP
In competition some savate kicks are illegal because they will disembowel you.
@@connorperrett9559 Part of it's development was because the Fist was classified as a deadly weapon so a fighting style based on kicking and slaps was made.
@@senecaknowsbest8380 😂😂😂
This felt like a Tekken practice mode match.
Is there any Savate fighters in Tekken?
@@stoopidhaters pretty sure Law and Lee got some moves from savate
@@tsyrendambaev9675 They got it from Bruce Lee, and Bruce made JKD with some cristalized elements of Savate and Taekwondo.
@@tsyrendambaev9675 stop being ridiculous , every kicking marital arts is savat to you 😂😂
@@crisalcantara7671lol Most of the modern kicks came from savate. Your point?
I did a little Savate in my twenties. Was a lot of fun, but this Savate guy is a true master. Our teacher always told us Savate is like fencing with legs and fists. Watching this video, I see what he meant. The moves are so fluent. Awesome to watch, thanks for this video and commentary 🙏
Wtf.. fencing uses swords. Boxing uses hands. Dickie Lee!
@Jack Was i talking to you? I didn’t @ Jack, right? Well, if you think you’re so dang knowledgeable, fire away, Dickie Lee!
@@mkleng I'm here. I did @ you. I need to know which style wins
@@mkleng You are right, and still there are similarities. In fencing you avoid being hit and dodge, since every hit could be fatal. Compare Muay Thai and Savate. In Muay Thai you take the hit or block, in Savate you try more to dodge imo.
@@mkleng You are right, and still there are similarities. In fencing you avoid being hit and dodge, since every hit could be fatal. Compare Muay Thai and Savate. In Muay Thai you take the hit or block, in Savate you try more to dodge imo.
You can see why Bruce Lee loved Savate so much & the influence it had on him as a martial artist
This Savate guy makes my TKD self blush
Savate is the best way for tkd people to transition to kickboxing. They have a lot of similarities 🤙
@@bjjbro I mean it is the first form of sport kickboxing, Muay Boran was a military martial arts and not a sport. Karate took the full contact esthetics and kicks from Savate! So yeah, you're right.
Taekwondo pretty much descended from Savate through karate.
TKD kicks are great, but they don't teach you how to use your hands.
@@alexmajax it's true. Which is why tkd guys who go to savate learn boxing and get balanced out
The Savat guys name is Florian Garel. He’s trained in Wing Chun, Muay Thai, Kyokushin karate and some other stuff. Met him in Taiwan years back. It was a nice surprise to see him featured here. Super nice guy.
What’s amazing is his control. His ability to pull his kicks, his spinning kicks! His balance and vision. Wow.
As someone who did Savate for three years, I loved watching this. Thanks!
Do you have any footage of your savate training?
@@FightCommentary I'd have to look. I'll get back to you. If I do it'll be embarrassing, though...😳
That combo at 1:15 was thing of absolute beauty.
The correct meaning of light sparing
The savate techniques I see here are very similar to the taekwondo I was taught 15 years ago! I love it!
definitely the best savate demonstrations i've ever seen as well. i just thought it was an old fashion thing, but no it's apparently very fight ready.
People I spar with don't expect my kicks to be as fast and accurate as they are. I kick like that because of Savate. I learned a little bit of it 23 years ago and it's still there to this day. It's truly a legit, underrated fight style.
Do you have footage you can send us? Would love to see!
I would like to watch your performance too 🤩 plz
Try using the kicks in a real fight against someone who only trains boxing. You'll probably stop using kicks
@@justinclark3793 boxers are known for their great kick checks after all.
@@guy229 you don't have to know how to fight at all in order to block kicks. You just have to use your hands faster than they use their feet, which is easy. The only time I've ever had to worry about getting hit, it was against people who knew how to use their hands. I've been in dozens of real fights, even against other martial artists. I've literally never been hit by a kick in my whole life. This is McDojo BS
0:58 - the most deadly technique is not realized. The last kick was a toe kick to the ribs/liver. I remember training Savate and those sneaky kicks was a pain to deal with. They come from nowhere! Sometimes it looks a normal roundhouse kick and they switch to those precise point kicks. That was devastating.
I'm at the gym watching this and I'm about to practice Savate and Muay Thai. I gotta say that Savate is probably the most effective martial art for the streets.
I am long time Savateur, I started in France in 1990 and then in italy where I won a Savate coaches tournament in 1998. I still train in Savate even though I mainly trained in Muay Thai and Kickboxing, but I use a lot of my Savate kicking techniques in Muay Thai and it works so well as it confuses the opponenet quite much!
You got any footage?
Do you use chassés bas? I trained savate for some time, now when I do muay Thai I can't prevent myself from doing chassés in the legs. But it seems uncommon so I don't know if it's appropriated in Muay Thai.
That was cool to watch. Boxer is a bit disadvantaged because he only uses his hands. I wonder how will Savate fare against Muay Thai?
Great "assaut" (light-touch sparring). That Florian Garel sure is good! Beautiful demonstration of the variety of Savate kicks. Thanks for shedding light on our sport.
The most effective thing about savate is using shoes to attack with toes and heels. Most blocks are penetrable and a sharp point creates more force to things like the liver or even the Calf muscle.
1:37
That parry-cross-roundhouse combo was nasty.
The low kick had no leverage so that part kinda sugged
He pulled the kick
Savate is severely underrated
I always loved Savate, very quick and elusive kicking method.
Savate didn't grow to its full potential because it was not professional in France, meaning the fighters (the "tireurs") had to get a regular job to pay the bills and were doing that only because of their passion for it. Turning PRO meant switching to Kickboxing or Muay Thaï.
It has always been knowned as one of the best school for standup fighting and I wish I had been curious enough to choose that instead of Karate 1st.
There are specific rules for you to score when kicking (the way you prepare your kick, you can only hit with the shoe etc .). When you come from Karate or Muay Thaï, it's frustrating and you are never at the "proper" distance to throw your own attacks. Result, you get lit up by so many kicks before you even realize 😀. They are all about combinations and movement. It's beautiful.
MORE Savate please
Savateur was very skillful and fun to watch. You couldn't have choreographed anything more beautiful to watch. He pulled quite a few kicks not to damage his opponent and had amazing skill to counter punches with kicks. Most kickers eat punches once the puncher is in range.
Expert level kicking on display here. Great upload.
I’ll do another video with the boxer. He did some amazing sparring with functional tcma too!
even though i have never trained the martial art. I have always being a superfan of savate a long time ago. I am surprised that most martial art CZcamsrs finally recognize the style although it has always been influential in the old era of martial arts.
Savate is mad underrated.
True...
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Hopefully it becomes more accessible
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Savate aka French boxing ❤️🇲🇫
Definitely go follow Xiao Pan who uploaded this to his channel. All the links are in the title or the description!
拳击小潘的账号链接在标题和介绍里。
There are elements of Savate in Jeet Kune Do
Capoeira vs Savate will be legendary
One of the better boxer vs kicker matches was Ray Mercer vs Musashi - one of the best K1 fights ever. There was a much better skill level parallel between the two there, and Mercer put up a REALLY good fight.
I will definitely have to look at that soon! Probably for a dojo breakdown!
In contrast to Ray Mercer vs Remy Bonjasky, where Ray quit after he decided he didn't want to be kicked in the head.
Ray Mercer also koed Tim Silvia in an MMA match that no one in MMA ever brings up like it never happened. Ray Mercer wasn’t well past his prime not boxing anymore while Tim Sylvia still was.
I’ve watched a bunch of your vids over the past few years but this one of my favorite👍🏾👑. I’ve heard of savate but what I just saw there really blew me away and inspired me to get back in the gym( Muay Thai). Thanks for another great vid 💯💯💯🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
as a karate guy, boxers i've trained with have NOT had a response for the sidekick i kept sticking in the ribs. At that time, i did NOT know how to defend against a left hook (OUCH!) lol! This savate brother's kicking is like WOW.
How did you get hit with a left hook and what type of block did you use to defend it ?
How to beat a kikboxer as a boxer, start using long range combinations, shots like the power jab adding some shots after it and the leaping hook.
Fantastic. The Savate guy controlled it and conditioned the boxer to lean back every time his leg came up so by the end went up then down . This would then confuse the boxer so he then gave up and went it. He realised he needed to get close. Round 2 would have been great. Much respect.
Savateur François Pennacchio's matches shows a true clinic on how to deal with Muay Thai with savate - both at the top level. Those are must see matches!
Ernesto Hoost's trademark combos and leg kicks are heavily influenced from Savate as well
Ernesto Hoost was a Savate Champion
Come to think of it, wearing shoes would make crescent kicks a much more viable technique because the side of the sole of a shoe could easily cut someone or leave a more damaging mark than the side of your foot (always felt like crescent kicks don't really have anything on them), so perhaps some of the kung fu styles that make heavy use of crescent kicks were intended to be thrown with shoes on?
They had reinforced shoes with steel ad sometimes, retractable blades. Imagine this dude with 2 inches razor-like blades on his shoes! I would be running for my life!
Shoes help front snap kicks too because your toes are protected to some extent and you don't have to be that careful about landing with the ball of the foot.
Magnifique Savate ! C'était beau à voir ! Merci !
Savate is a legit martial art I remember I was sparring against my sambo coach he also does savate as well one time in the kickboxing class i was sparring against my coach he was using savate and I was using muay thai he was very unpredictable when I was sparring against him got some graceful kicks which I had a hard time checking them and dodging them as well when I closed the distance and had him in the thai clinch about to throw some knee strikes he ended up switch to judo and use a leg trip on me yes he also have a background in judo as well but I ended up landing on my ass when he used a judo leg trip lol but yeah savate is a pretty awesome martial art.
Savate Judo sounds like a sick combination.
And Sambo ☠️☠️☠️
This was amazing, I would love to learn savate 🥊😍.
Thank you for sharing ☺️.
Glad you enjoyed it!
This was a beautiful match!
The boxer can eliminate this man's kicks simply by closing distance and fighting up close in the pocket. In the same way you can take away a grapplers or wrestlers strength by bringing the fight to the outside, you can take away a kickers kicks by not allowing their feet and legs to generate momentum.
Savate is not only kicks, you know? It is the closest fighting style to the boxing.
Agreed , high guard , close distance and hit that body .
Well, that in general is what you'd tell an infighter facing an outfighter. Does that work 100% of the time? Nope. In fact, it probably works less often than it doesn't because it's hard to close the distance with a really good outfighter with an excellent footwork. Meanwhile, you'll be eating kicks and punches as you try to close in on him. At the end of the day, it's the skill level that matters, of course. There's one more thing, though. Savate works really well with shoes. The whole point of kicking of this style is that they wear relatively heavy shoes with pointed hard tops. What they do is obliterate the liver with precision kicks in those. It really doesn't take much of effort in that kind of shoe to do that if you're really accurate, which is what they train 24/7. This guy held off a lot of times during this spar if you pay close attention
The only problem is that a savate boxer is as good as boxing than the boxer. So if the boxer closes the distance (which remain to be seen). He will still have a problem.
@@SanDiegosGreatest mike tyson
Boxe la Francaise (french kickboxing) is newer version of Savate, because Savate didn't have boxing hand strikes. Savate added boxing hand strikes, because they got their ass whopped by british pugulists boxers. that is how Savate developed and became Boxe la Francaise.
Love the french kickboxing guy, really good control of his kicks. and also very light on the feet too.
Boxe française*
@@Sacrevert Yes, my bad. Thanks for the correction.
@@davidcdun8896 with pleasure !
The Savate guy it’s so skilled that he can pull his kicks and just touch the boxer without inflicting damage. That’s when you know someone has complete control of his strikes. A perfect partner to spar with.
That's because one type of Savate style is called touch. If your opponent is ko you lose. You need to control every kick. You almost always practice this style at the beginning. When you re good enough you can go with competition where ko is allowed.
Looking forward to more savate videos.
Keep this calibur of content coming!!
this savate guy is good
That Savate guy is super skilled, so graceful, fluid and in control . Best kicker I've seen.
Modern Karate actually took it's high kicks from Savate! And therefore, many of the ones done in Taekwondo and Tang Soo Do are also from Savate.
So even tho Savate isn't that famous, it really left it's mark on the martial arts world.
Didn't French sailors take kicks can from Asia to create Savate? It all probably came from China originally.
@@The31st that's just a theory tho, but yeah it could be. In the end, most things come from China lol
My point still stands, Taekwondo, Karate and Tang Soo Do took their kicks from Savate. Which makes the art really, really important even tho it is not that famous
The circle is complete.
@@jestfullgremblim8002 well Chinese one came from India and an ancient martial art called Kalari was introduced to China through buddies monks which later turned into kunfu sooo....
@@nikithanayaer6302 yes indeed! Kalaripayattu and Shuai Jiao gave birth to basically every Kung Fu style, which in turn gave birth to the Japanese Grappling styles (Sumo, Daito Ryu, Judo, Aikido and the grappling from every kind of Jujutsu) and many of the striking and weapon styles as well!
Kalaripayattu and Shuai Jiao are definitely the two most important martial arts ever.
Beautiful to watch; I notice he wasn't flinging the rear arm back which is signature to the style.
Looks like fencing, but apparently the idea of that rear arm is to hold onto something while fighting on a ship. What I heard, anyway.
Clearly he's adjusted the style to the circumstances, so it looks like really skilled kickboxing.
I love this video! Big fan of savate!
Savate fighters had special steel-reinforced shoes and sometimes retractable blades. Imagine that guy with blades on the tip of his shoes? I run for my life.
In the 1800s, the greatest savate fighter was a 6'4'' french-canadian called Joe Montferrand. He never lost a fight! A monster
Amazing balance and fluidity
As someone who started at a traditional boxing gym and transitioned into Muay Thai then mma, I’d argue that showing these videos show almost the same extent of people who don’t know how to grapple going into a wrestling match… show boxers who know how to check at the very least or even how to chain their punches with their kicks and vice versa… you’ll see how boxing can definitely be efficient in non boxing rules. I’ve won my first few kickboxing fights by being self aware with my checks and using kicks to close my distance then ending the show with boxing combinations. Hopefully I can record a sparring session sometime this week and send to you.
Looking forward to seeing your footage!
Whaaat. You have won in a kickboxing match by using kickboxing 😨😨😨
Its called boxer vs savate, not kickboxer vs savate lol.
As soon as you start dabbling in checks and kicks, you aren't even a boxer anymore what are you about? And Savateurs can punch well, so your point is moot.
Apart from the Savat guy putting on a great demo, the video is high quality is great. The dynamic range and the colours look great, they could shoot a film scene… although i wonder what happens with people sparing next to plate glass windows 😅
Watching the savate guy kick is like watching an artist at work wow
If Savate wasn't French it would be more popular. I try to tell people how legit Savate is, but as soon as they learn it's French Kickboxing it's always 3, 2, 1, bad pun or joke or some comment about WW2. People are just people, people!
P.S. I love watching a Savature kick circles around some slow, every technique most be thrown at 200% power, Muay Thai guy.
P.P.S. I love Muay Thai too, they just each have their own times of best usage.
Awesome video!
I have practiced Savate for more than 40 years. Living in South France (Toulouse and Montpellier) it made easy to learn and become an instructor. This is basic stuff and friendly sparring. Real Savate matches are much more powerful and faster.
Aaaaah Savate... beautiful, elegant Savate!
Created by French Sailors, used to great effect on the wild streets of Paris. They teach Paris Cops Savate you know.
Savate literally means "Old Shoe", because Savateurs wear specialized shoes when fighting.
Savate is what TKD wishes it was
Practical
This is what i love.. in many such fights, i have seen the martial artist will try n work like a boxer and so obviously gets outclassed... Here he is using his strength irrespective of his opponent being a boxer.. results will differ in many cases if this is done.
Great Trapping from the savate man 🤘🏾
Really good stuff. I wish I could see some savate vs greco
Savate Dude is extremely skilled, a distance King. Great stuff.
Most people wouldn't know what to do against this guy. Savate is the foot equivalent to boxing.
Florian Garel is my coach here in Taiwan, great guy, amazingly skilled and passionate
Savate guy got ‘mixed karate’ as base. Pan said he did not expected he would be taken down by ‘karate guy’
Glad to see Savate getting some love. Though no style is better then another in general - ALWAYS it is the attitude, person and situation. This boxer was much less skilled but it does not matter because I have seen good boxers - I don’t get to see good savate very often.
Love Savate!!! It's so fluid!!
Thats beautiful sparring,
Savate guy 100% trains boxing. Those parrys were clean
This is the pinnacle of kicking. His kicks are awesome. It will be deadly if we mix Muay that kicks with Savate kicks
You don't really mix them, although you can cross-train of course. But the two approaches to fighting are kinda the opposite. Savate is all about an insane outboxing-style footwork, an impeccable sense of distance and timing that is drilled 24/7, and uber precise kicks in hard top shoes to the vulnerable parts of the body, such as the liver (which is a 100% knockout when done well). It also uses a lot of dodges (you can actually see how the savateur dodged the counterpunch to the body at some point in this video by ever so slightly blocking it from above with a glove while essentially rounding his back and sucking in his belly to avoid the punch by mere centimetres / an inch or so. Muay Thai has a rather simplistic footwork but imposes an unrelenting pressure, delivers naked-foot kicks that may be less precise but are devastatingly powerful and tries to square it off whenever possible to meet the opponent in the pocket and turn on those deadly elbows and knees. These are two styles that are at the opposite ends of the spectrum and I'd say it makes more sense to choose one that works for your body type and natural inclinations rather than try to cross train and switch from one to the other
@@LimemillI wouldn't say it's 100% impossible. Check out Muay Thai fighter Saenchai if you haven't. He has a really unorthodox style that utilizes evasive footwork, jumping switch stances, feints, precice counter-striking even occasionally chambered/ jumping kicks.
His style is comparable to (but not equal or above) Savate and most kickboxing styles imho. Granted, Saenchai is elite tier and the only Muay Thai guy I know that can fight like that. Your arguement stands for the most part.
@@rory2698 Saenchai is his own martial art, lol. He can blend whatever: muay thai, capoeira, savate, boxing, you name it
@@Limemill
So true, I would say he's one of those millennium talents 😂.It would be nice to see more MT guys like that, but I guess thats what Savate is for.
Savate Kicks tends to get blended in a lot of other styles, Karate and Dutch style Kickboxing were enormously influenced by Savate (no wonder Gerard Gordeau competed as a "Savate" practitioner at UFC1), JKD of course, you can see it in MMA and as you mentioned even some Muay Thai fighters add a Savate like twist to their game.
The savate guy’s mobility is freaking incredible.
Those kicks are ART
In been wanting to study savate for years but it's rare.
3:02 4 kick combo, yes the fourth kick would have hurt him, possible Ko , but it is the SECOND one that is truly brutal, liver kick with point of savate shoe. Small reinforced object hitting your liver and ribs with the force of the legs in a snapping motion. You will go down. That liver "point of shoe" kick and multiple attacks to the knee joint + rasping down the shin of opponent with shoe edge are typical for savate.
Wow Florian Garel is no joke
Très bon travail. Félicitations
Queixada is the name of the Capoeira kick you were trying to remember. From a side stance, the kick make a crescent movement across the head of the opponent to the outside in which then you have options to land it, whether back to ginga, the opposite side stance to throw another with the opposite foot, slide out into esquiva baixa, etc. Capoeira sparring Savate would be awesome, so would combining the two. There's also a Japanese martial art similar to Capoeira called Taido.
He mentioned hook kick, so he could mean gancho, which is more looks like to what savate guy was doing
Feels like I'm watching a character from Tekken. Good kicks!!
Savate is super underestimated
Wow, just fantastic kicking skills.
Very nice spar
I can see a lot of Modern karate within Savate! But the path or both arts obviously differed hard, I hope Savate never gets watered down.
More like modern Karate took a lot from Savate, for real.
During the modernization period of Japan, the Japanese brought in many foreign military advisors to train their army. Including many from France.
They introduced Savate training into the Japanese army, and guess who was in the army at that time? The son of the founder of modern Karate, not sure of the name, so I won't say it. But anyway, he was influenced by that experience and that is why modern Karate has similarities with Savate.
But don't take my word for it, look it up!
Honestly the most underrated striking art, wish it was as big as muay thai
A great representation of Savate.
Savate guys making tkd guys look slow and mechanical in comparison, that's fire
This is a good exhibition of how a kickboxer owns a boxer.
I like how Savate uses shoes. It's not only realistic, but kicking with the toe is sneaky due to the extra reach, plus it hurts with a shoe.
This reminds me of when I did Karate Tournament fighting. I'm a Kung Fu stylist with various kicks that include; front, side, pointed toe round house, shuffle front kick, along with switch kicks, various side kicks, delayed kicks, low high kicks, crescent kicks. The thing that obviously is throwing off the Boxer is; the constant stance switching of the kicker due to, depending what kicks he is throwing. Rear round house kick, front round house kick which is faster, lead side kick, doubling on side kicks (follow up) via lead side kick. Sweeping the Boxer's lead leg, sweeping the Boxer's lead leg with back hand follow up. Also spinning back hand. Now there are levels. A yellow belt won't be able to do against a good Boxer what an Experienced Black belt will. For the Boxer; their edge would be what I already mentioned before. Catching that switching of stances. That's were it has to be timed correctly to score against an experienced kicker.
I prefer the kickers style of Martial Arts because... it works far more efficiently for me. Not because I believe that it's better than Boxing. I'm 6' 1 @ 180.
Anyone remember Kick Boxing Legend Don "The Dragon" Wilson? He's from a Kung Fu system White Dragon Kung Fu.
His style, identical/ similar to my fighting style. Cool video
Never heard of Savate. I'm liking what I'm seeing though.
Amazing....he kicks. Just like every single other form of martial arts.
Also your voice reminds me of a cartoon character but I can’t place the name right now. I’ll be back as soon as I remember.
savate is like a mixture of kickboxing and tae kwon do
Taekwondo is like savate* savate is much older
@@cahallo5964 how old is savate?
@@ronniejamesdio6889 difficult to say, but there are references in England of French boxers kicking from at least the 1700s.
Thanks for the commentary on this video.
What you call axe kicks aren't. They are reverse kicks, with the dole if the shoes aimef at slapping the face or lowering the guard.
This club is in Taiwan and is called Cyrano Savate Club Taichung.
Super cool! Thanks for the term!
Don F Draiger the martial researcher in his book fighting arts around the world wrote about a savate artist that he met.The way he described the guy kicking skills as lethal and dangerous.