New Audi R8 V10 Plus vs Porsche 911 Turbo S | evo DEADLY RIVALS
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- We test the brand new 2015 Audi R8 V10 Plus against the Porsche 911 Turbo S to find out which is fastest on track.
Read our review of the Audi R8 V10 Plus here:
www.evo.co.uk/audi/r8-v10-plus
Or alternatively, check out our review of the Porsche 911 here:
www.evo.co.uk/porsche/911
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Thank God I'm poor and I don't have to choose
+Grman Rodriguez That does make sense, but then again it doesn't - because if you're rich you don't have to choose, because you can buy both cars. ;)
That sucks
+Grman Rodriguez hahahahahaha
+Grman Rodriguez I'm poor and I feel like I HAVE to choose, thus watching videos like this every day. I have been cursed.
+Grman Rodriguez It's easy. Just choose GT-R
That R8. That engine, that interior. What a great car.
The rest of the world :It's raining. We'll test the cars another day.
The UK :It's raining. Time for some high speed testing.
I hope you will redo this with the Turbo S MK2 with 580hp and updated everything, it is a Significant step up, don't be like Motor Trend who was still Testing the BMW 335i when the 340i is Already out !
+luimarco They be testing on the dailyyyyy
+Worldwide Darts That test will be saluted ;)
you are here? aren't there any synthol news? :D. i'm just kidding you really make grad videoa
+luimarco And add the 570S to the mix ;)
+Kaisuke971 RWD won't be an everyday suppercar
I love the lap comparisons corner by corner. Nice editing.
yes that was awesome.
VW is the supercar god today.
Bugatti, Porsche, Lamborghini, Audi...
All sub 3 seconds.
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+N1GHT5 True
when he drove the R8 i could actually feel him driving the R8 because of how good he explained the driving experience. Great review.
Let's not forget that this was the latest R8 and Porsche just announced a new model Turbo.
+Edward Van. It's a facelift, a v2 of the 991, not really a new model Turbo, if you wanted to be technical about it :P
Mzn T It is indeed a facelift which includes a power upgrade, aerodynamic improvements and a lot of new technology...
+Edward Van. And it is still worse than R8
+TheEryk03 your opinion luckily isn't a fact, it still has to be determined.
+Edward Van. I saw 5 min ego review by guy that drove both. You have to watch this video.
R8 please... I love the 911 but the r8 is just beautiful
I never cared much for the R8 but this new V10 Plus is really drawing me in.
+Bryan Ball Same!
+Bryan Ball same dude! i hate audis but the v10+ is a beast!
but, u cant compare these 2 cars! the turbo s isnt a track-car! the r8 is!!!
take the gt3 rs! its quicker even with 100 ps less and rwd...
+Mister911 The turbo s isn't a track car ? Are you fucking serious ? It has one of the best timing on nurburgring...
+Betaplayer366 so what? the turbo s has a great lap time but its not a track car! its a sporty and comfy car! a track car is a GT2 (RS) or a GT3 (RS)
Mister911 Since the GT3 is a track car, why would you compare it to the R8 ? Audi themselves didn't claim that the R8 is a track car, who are you to claim that ?
Still have trouble liking the design of the new R8. Interior is great though. Awesome video.
It's just a more modern (if that's possible) design take on the old R8
+DoctaM3 yeah they could have make it the greatest everyday car just by not having that bad taste on the looks. Thats a big shame on them.
+DoctaM3 I don't get any of the praise surrounding the R8s interior. Imo it's the weakest in it's class. Oddly placed/ shaped air vents, ugly looking knobs at the top of the center console, wide and overly thick gear selector, and overall just nothing special about it. Looks very bland to me. Despite them not having changed much on the exterior, I would say it a lot better looking on the outside then it is on the inside.
+Amgbenz0 I agree
+Amgbenz0 I disagree - interior is amazing, and a massive step above the (very square and kinda hideous looking) Porsche.
Honestly I'm a real Porsche fan, but I'm really impressed with the R8! Damn, that engine is something extra and it's now even more good looking than it was before. Well done Audi! Although I'd like to see the MK2 Turbo S later on.
I totally agree, those cars are AWD but can slide like a RWD in some wet condition. Especially for Porsche. Where is the rear wheel steering?? Or maybe the AWD split torque much slower or the ESC applied mildly.
The suspension setting of Audi R8 and Turbo S are similar, front suspension caster is about +7.0-7.3 degrees. The Turbo S may have more caster, so the front end should be as sticky maybe it's the torque that gives 991 a bigger slide. The R8 seems slide with much less counter steer, more like 4 wheel drifting. The reason maybe weight distribution and AWD torque split. Talks about weight distribution, the Turbo S with a weight distribution of 39.3%/60.7% vs R8 42%/58%. The Porsche Turbo S also packed with a way softer damper, although PDCC aids mid corner body roll but not pitch, the car pitch a lot as I can see. For the transmission, Audi did a great job if it able to shifts quicker than PDK like he mentioned. Anyway, I'll pick Audi R8.
Dan your reviews are getting better and better. Lovely descriptions that really hammer home what these cars are like to drive. Nice job! 👍😊
I'm going to be that guy and say it:
Has anybody noticed that no matter what the situation, the 911 always seems to have a "given" condition? If it manages to lose the time attack like this case, it's given a win due to its "personality". Which I think is funny given that it's the benchmark standard boring porsche. (But granted, I do like the thing. I'm not a butt hurt Audi fan here guys. I do enjoy porsche.) But the 911 is always kept protected and sacred by car reviewers. If it loses somewhere, it's given a win due to it being the 911. The Audi I think has more personality than Mr serious the turbo beetle with its v10 screamer and it's aggressive styling. So I'm calling bullshit now. And it isn't exclusive to evo either. Many other companies do this as well with other shootouts with the 911.
Now I'll wait for the stupid replies about being an angry Audi fanatic. I know they're coming in spite of me stating I'm a porsche fan.
I like turtles.
+Michael Tarantino very true
+Michael Tarantino well, it's really hard to carp on anything in 911 turbo S, it's like a computer game, it's called a benchmark supercar for reasons. I didn't like the previous generations of 911 turbo, but this new one... it's just a golden ratio. Overall, beautiful exterior as well as luxurious, very comfortable interior, astonishing performance figures, the car's very durable and robust, Porsche is just polishing it from gen to gen. Ideal car with a biting price, but when a simple stage 1 ECU tune and custom exhaust allow you to see F12 and Aventador in read mirror, it's worth every penny. But people prefer lambos and rarris for showing off, 911 turbo looks boring to them.
+Michael Tarantino 911 are the closest thing to perfect i can think of. They cover every aspect of what makes a car special and they're reliability is unmatched. You buy any other brand you spend thousand just to keep it on the road.
+Altezza Ace a Porsche is special? A brand that looks like beetles? A brand that make tons of different models of the same car is special? Porsche is the least supercar out there, even a GTR or a Corvette is more special
Thank you for doing a drag race too because it just makes sense...oh wait...
The 911 Turbo S is insane, see how many super cars have come down to its feet, even a brand new v10+ cant match the 2 year old 911 turbo S, the new 911 turbo S, I think will be doing lap times that cars that will come out by 2018-2020 will match, what a brand is Porsche...
+Ponygt 662 Bwahahaha you are a gunny kind :) "Even a brand new v10+ can't match the 2 year old 911 turbo S". No it didn't match it, it beat it. In 9/10 corners the R8 pulled away, and on the straights it was faster all the time despite the 911's much greater torque number. To quote EVO; "The R8's front axle is just better than the 911, letting it handle corners better and cary more speed". On top of that the engine is N/A, has more HP, is mid-mounted, AND is faster. Please say again how it can't match the 911?.... lol.
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Yes its cheaper but just think about it, Porsche is smaller and has just 560 HP and weighs more and yet could easily hold on to a mid engine rwd focused supercar, thats insane, also 911 turbo S can do 0-100 kmph in 2.9s flat and 400m in 11s consistently, while most super cars struggle with traction,launch controls etc
Daniel Kemnitz
Sure but again Porsche is heavier and has 50 HP less, its a rear mounted engine, too al;so its 2 years old, think of what the 16 911 turbo S with 580 PS can do,
its already said that its 0-100 in 2.8s and 400m will come at 10.7s, thats insane for a rear engine, heavy sports car
i would take the porsche. thae understated looks, practicality and crazy performance is too sexy for me. it's junt an everyday ultra performance gt monster
In our region, the turbo S is expensive by 40-50 lakhs to the R8 V10 plus, btw, can u explain me how practical these both cars are???
Dan, this one of your best videos yet!! It's easy to tell you are feeling more comfortable on cam- love the jokes like, "how can they make it shift faster than instant"?!
Great work and keep it up!!
I just love how both cars are just amazing to see in action. I especially love the R8 and the V10. What a car.
I think that drag race is necessary in all of the deadly rivals episode .
Why not both?
You're one of my best reviewers bro, keep on it!
really surprised by the audi, great front end. didn't think it had the firepower to match the 911's boom of torque and traction out of lower speed sections
The R8 is the better car. It both looks and sounds better and has a better interior.
A proper review. Thanks EVO!
The front license plates on Audi ruin the whole optics. Clamp behind de window please!
2011-2012 car vs 2015....we need the new 991 mark 2 turbo s....and you know it evo!
Audi R8♥♥♥
Wait.,..
Audi R8 V10+ : Faster gearshifts, carries more speed through the corners and has faster lap time?
I am a Porsche guy who always thought that R8 is just a ''Show Car''! I feel like an idiot.
Very nice! It is interesting what happens when the traction goes down.
Great video, two of my favourite new cars :)
This needs to be redone at a later date with the new Turbo S mkII and in good weather at Anglesey with Jethro for consistency. Can't wait to see those times on the leaderboard.
Great job with this video!
Thought this was actually a great review. The editing and the reviewer's very articulate commentary were well synced--especially during the reviewer's description of the "soft" playfulness of the 911 in corners and the accompanying shots (1:58-2:40), which, I think, perfectly illustrated the point he was trying to make. And when the reviewer described the "neutral" balance that the car can have, if you choose to prioritize speed (in the case of setting a lap time), the corresponding shots genuinely conveyed the sense of the reviewer's words--you can see what he means when he mentions the "neutral" balance of the chassis in a high speed corner (2:40-2:49).
Every time I see a new EVO video has popped up I get excited. Then I realise it's the new guy, I realise new people need to learn the ropes but mix it up a bit, the emotion doesn't appear real - a bit wooden. Relax, be yourself and talk from the heart about how you feel about the cars, say what you see not what you think you should say...
great video mate👍
Well presented. Kudos
I really like Dan's work, great presenter!
These deadly rival videos are the best.
I'm an older cat and while I love Porsches there's just something about the R8 that captures the imagination. I mean seriously, is there a better daily driver supercar out there? I'd be fine with the R8 V10 Spyder @ 540HP variant. Just a beautiful 21st century car with a N/A V10 motor. Oo La La.
Amazing video, but why didn't put the facelift turbo s?
great video!!! despite being my favorite ride it is visible the 911's front suspension is not as good as the r8's
the new Audi r8 Looks so good omg
I like the exotic nature of the Audi, but I'd take the 911 Turbo S. People would be like, "Oh, just another Porsche." But I don't care what other people think. The car is for me, not them. When it comes to the ability to buy such cars, and what other people think when they see it, I would get a decal that reads, "I am not trying to show off. This car is for me. I bought this car because I love driving and this car drives amazingly. Please save your "hater" thoughts because I'm not trying to impress anyone." Big decal lol
my vote goes to the 911 plainly bcos I hate the new R8 looks
Haha. I'm with you!
+Ivan Poh You clearly haven't seen one in the metal..it looks amazing.
+Ivan Poh Definitely, like all Audi's, go look in person then come back with the opinion.
+Ivan Poh I saw the new R8 in person. It really looks terrific! Much better than in the pics and the interior is much nicer.
+Ivan Poh Yeah I think the old one looks better
Wow ~ i am exactly deciding between these two models~ It would've been perfect if it was dry. But nevertheless exactly what I was looking for.
really looking forward to the huracan lp580-2 vs the r8 v10!
comparison of the year i believe
the test run shows which is better in wet conditions which also helps determine which would be the better daily super car
Dear EVO team please put this R8 V10 plus in your Leaderboard video we want to see this being lapped on Anglesey circuit!
+fwf246 and see if it gets anywhere near to the the turbo S lap
Ace cars, great vid!
R8 the best!
Nice stuff! Just a slight niggle: the 911 doesn't have a 'front axle', it has independent suspension. Might be better to refer to it as the 'front end' in terms of loading. Just a thought..
Please do it again with the 991.2 and a dry surface... also test in public roads!
The Continental SportContact 6 has a lot more traction in the wet compared to a Pirelli P Zero tyre.
I'm guessing the massive difference in torque especially at the low rpm range means the turbo s would be much better for daily driving around town or am I wrong? Don't know how bad the turbo lag is on this monster though.
These cars are both amazing and they really push each other from generation to generation! Altough the R8 looks and feels more exclusive the 911 is the everyday supercar. Understated when you just want to blend in and an animal when you want to be loud. That classic 911 profile which you can draw with a single line on a paper is pure art, it never gets old, and the car is just on a slightly higher level in terms of engineering than the R8. Also, let's not forget we're comparing the current R8 with the "old" 991 here. But, as I said, two amazing cars from two amazing companies that lead the field in terms of technology and engineering.
For 7grand you could always supercharge the audi :)... Should top about 750hp..
Love this reviewer, I'll quit watching EVO if they plan to replace him with someone else.
We need drag race
one simple remap on the porsche and the audi is history.. benefits of being turbo charged
If you choose looks, I think the R8 definitely looks more like a super car.
But the drive is just so different, the Porsche is so much more comfortable.
Of course, does this song have a name? it sounds mystic!★
so hard to watch this Hahah, Chris Harris or BUST
+Keith Doran Yeah the videography is excellent in those
So what would people buy more based on this, the R8 or the 911 Turbo S?
These results might be reversed a bit with the new Turbo S MK2, be interesting to see.
I'll take the r8.
If you could be so kind and try to come up with words besides "monster" and "playful" it would be much appreciated. Every fast car you review has seemingly multiple references to both ad nauseum.
I love how Porsche added the 4 bits of lights on the headlights of the new 911, kind of gives it a 919 sort of feel. Does anyone agree?
+Daniel Sandoval Yeah I noticed that too. I guess it shows how a lot of these car companies that have a motorsport division will filter some of the technology they use in racing down into their road cars. Now as long as Ferrari doesn't start putting V6 turbos in their cars as some sort of Ferrari F50 homage I'm okay with it.
Wet track yields imprecise lap times meaning its possible 911 GT2 Turbo could of lapped around this track faster. I agree with some comments that 911 GT2 could make use of probably a different interior color scheme to look less boring but to me it looked as if if the R8 was harder to control. Less wrestling & steering wheel twitching in hard cornering & sharp turn ins
Should have waited and put the Audi against the newer 911 Turbo S which has more power etc etc .
Which is coming out in like 2 years...😐
+Kazuya Jin I think you will find its out now or at least due to go into production now .. Porsche have already shown videos of it along with their new turbo 911's
+Dave Gath They're already out, I saw a few in Stuttgart last week
+Peter Durnell no they are not out. Those are most likely the Cerreras not the Turbo. The turbo has been announced but hasn't been put into Production. it's coming out in late 2016
+Kazuya Jin I saw a brand new Turbo S. I can send a photo if you want?
Really classy move by Hülkenberg to let evo borrow his 911
i had hoped for a drag race as well :(
This was awesome.
Really made me laugh how the hairpin was the R8's fault and not driver error 😂
Well ok, the R8 looks dope though, and I will never take my car in a track racing and getting concerned about a few seconds. Does the Porsche look like a supercar or a sports car? Also the R8 V10 Plus does a 0-100 km/h in 2.6 seconds (tested), 3.2 (official) what more do you need?
If it wasn't for the bad exterior styling, I would be sold on the R8! Well, I still would take it over the Porsche in a heartbeat, everything just seems better. And that V10 roar, damn! If the R8 could just go back to its original design style I'd be so happy!
- The 911, though, is a beast too!
uploaded on my birthday and it includes my favourite car (911 turbo)
Jesus, the gearbox on that Audi. It even sounds so immensly quick.
I am glad that 911 wing was up because it looks cool without it
wow, the new R8 is really a triumph. 911 TURBO use to be my favortie, but the new R8 looks better sounds better a bit faster and even priced a bit cheaper... damn
The most interesting thing about this vid is the playfulness of the Porsche. I would like to know more about the quality of the Audi's new steering, as that car sounds sensational
I never take these 1 lap shootout results seriously. In these conditions those lap times could easily shift either way by over a second by taking one corner slightly better.
Dear santa,
For this christmas...
Pls Lord, I will become religious again. I won't be a theist again...
I am a hard-core Porsche guy, the temptation is strong with the new R8. It's lovely on every way
I believe that torque curves\bands matter more than torque figures... The Porsche does have a lot more, but down at 2200RPM... Speeding takes place at higher RPM so torque in said range is more important & the Audi - seemingly(because the Porsche could have similar or more at 6500RPM) - has that & it's max HP & torque figures are closer together - another plus...
+Marvin Connell I think it really depends on the circuit, if there are slower speed corners I think the torque can really make a big difference pulling much harder out of a corner.
+Dan Dreese Even if it were a rally where cars would come close to a halt on hairpin turns, I doubt the engines would be in the 2200RPM range - so max torque there is useless except on non drag race(drag races begin at high RPM - some using launch control)take offs... The only consolation is that the engine - even with a max torque at 2200RPM - may of course still be able to produce decent\usable torque at higher RPMs, which is why the car runs decent otherwise(away from 2200RPM)...
+Marvin Connell These are road cars, not track only cars. You spend so much more time in the lower rev range than in the higher when driving on the road, unless you only take it out to go blasting through the back roads on sunday mornings.
Marvin has a fantastic point. A turbocharged engine is going to run out of steam if it's max power is made down low at high Rpms
Look at next to any racing video and notice that downshifting and braking into a corner no one is anywhere close to 2k Rpms. Your time is spent in the middle of the rev range powering out of a corner so I bet that the power figures are probably pretty close but the responsiveness of a naturally aspirated engine is what makes the difference.
Yes they are road cars, but they are definitely built for track use. They have incredible suspension and braking systems for these purposes. If they were just meant for straight line speed it would be a different story, but that's not the case. You got to think cars like these (not the turbo s though) are repurposed and turned into GT3 racing vehicles. I'd say the platform is more than capable than "a typical street car" it's no camaro
Aaron Barajas
Of course they have huge potential on a track, but the Turbo was built to be fast on the road and it is much more of a GT than a track car.
Any car with almost 600hp and a top speed of 200mph is going to have big brakes, so they are not there because of potential track use.
A Bentley CGT has got bigger brakes than both of these cars for example.
Your arguments about racing videos are exactly my point. Since the Turbo is not built to be a track car they focused on making the power band as wide as possible to make the it as accessible as possible . Kind of exactly the opposite from a GT3, which is a "track car" and only really gets going above 6000rpm.
Rain makes sense. AWD makes more sense then. Gives the edge on a GT3 & AMG GT-S
Such a waste of time talking about lap times in the wet like this. Why bother? Wait until it's dry and show us. This is just annoying.
+chbrules Why?! It rains as often as the sun is shining?! It's the same as stating that drivin in the dark doesn't matter. Besides the reviewer even mentioned it could be different on a dry track and the little difference didn't matter much anyway.
+john marsh most people that own $200K cars, don't drive them in shitty weather. They'll be in their Range Rover or something.
kraenk12 You're on crack. I live in so-cal. It rarely rains. We're the car capital of the world.
You're seriously comparing driving in the rain to driving at night vs day? You're a moron.
Dry vs wet times on a track are insanely different. You're on crack.
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Every day conditions? I live in so-cal. Rain is a never-day condition. We're the car capital of the world. I don't give a shit about crap rain videos in supercars. WOW THEY CAN DRIVE ON A WET SURFACE! MY GOD, TECHNOLOGY HAS COME SO FAR!
Ill take Porsche anyday, but also like the R8👍 In my mind what comes to car like this there is non like Porsche! Its just so perfect in every sector!
Gtr nismo??
Why even bother running on a greasy crappy track in the rain and comparing the two? makes zero sense. What's next.... doing laps in the snow?
should really have waited for the 991.2 turbo s before doing this test...
still have a major soft spot for all kinds of V10s. LFA and Lamborghini V10s make the best sounds imo
Easy. I would take R8 it looks much better than boring 911 and as I can see it is better to drive. And NA V10 is too amazing. I love Turbo for Speed but if R8 without any Turbo is faster I take this.
I'd like to see Porsche GT3 RS vs the Audi on a dry circuit.
I honest don't get why you'd ever buy a 911 over the R8. Not only is the R8 cheaper, it's naturally aspirated, well balanced, mid engined, better looking and it's a supercar. The 911 is sportscar. Porsche could make the 911 even better, if they didn't stick to this silly tradition of mounting the engine in the back, the car will always be compromised. It's like asking Nicki Minaj to race Usain Bolt, it's all going to go wrong. It obviously doesn't, but you just know development of every 911 starts with ''right gentlemen, what are we going to about the rear end weight?''.
this shows u how great the 911 turbos engine is being compared to an engine with 4 more cylinders
Where is the ROAD test. That's where most of us would be driving these cars 90% of the time, these track sessions should only be a PART of the review(s)
should of done the test with the mk2 991 911. 30+ HP and better goodies all around
It's sad that the R8 has lost its playfulness. I mean, as far as I know, that was one of the main reasons the 1st gen was praised.
But the Audi r8 is a new facelift and got new technology so I think the new face lift Porsche 991 Turbo should have no problem to win against the Audi so it would be nice if EVO do this test again with the new turbo.