McLaren 570S vs Audi R8 V10 Plus vs Porsche 911 Turbo S: supercar track battle!
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- čas přidán 20. 07. 2016
- Since 2012 McLaren's line-up has ballooned from one car to eight - and one of the latest arrivals is the 570S. Based on similar carbon fibre underpinnings to its stablemates, the newcomer is designed as a supercar you can live with day to day.
However, the McLaren isn’t the only high-performance car that’s easy to live with. The Porsche 911 Turbo S has always been the ultimate supercar for all seasons, and now there’s a revised version with even more performance and a host of interior tweaks. Audi’s sensational R8 V10 Plus completes our trio of mouth-watering machines; it combines jaw-dropping looks and top-notch quality with thrilling handling and a sublime engine. Which of our trio takes the spoils? Steve Sutcliffe hits the track to find out...
McLaren vs Audi vs Porsche group test: aex.ae/29xg4D6
McLaren 570S review: aex.ae/1W4MWZE
Audi R8 V10 Plus review: aex.ae/1HSKeOh
Porsche 911 Turbo S review: aex.ae/1Krcgyr - Auta a dopravní prostředky
These three cars are so desirable, the audi might be sllower but it's NA, the porsche is an absolute weapon and is practical, and the Mclaren... well it's a freaking Mclaren ffs.
They're all gorgeous, I'd have all three.
Well said my friend!
Well said Sir !!
Good summary ... and if you want the TS or R8 to be faster ... put on the same tires as the S570 :)
True... Interesting that in GT3 racing - the RWD version of the Audi R8 dominates both of these cars in the series they compete in. Audi always "plays it safe" with their road cars.
Amidat Where do you get that information from?
Also the 570S and 911 TS are not GT3 cars ... that would be the 650S GT3 and 991 GT3 R/RS/RSR (but don't think many/any are running those yet ... so most 911 R8 has been up against would have been the 997 GT3).
I am a huge 911 fan, but cannot ignore the fact that R8 comes with NA V10 Engine which means it is rare and sounds way more orgasmic than both 570S and Turbo S, is cheapest and just a second slower than these Turbocharged monsters. They have done a very good job!
Yeah. The technology is proven and the quality is second to none.
it's not rare if you look on the used market, E60 M5 and older R8 are cheap to buy now
Well on most tracks the R8 and Turbo S beat the 570S
UT M r8 is fabulous!
I’d take it all day
I run a old s8 v10 and it just makes you smile
Thanks
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@@chrisanderson2204 if the track is wet the mclaren can't get that time again
So they're all within a second difference from one another, so basically u can go for the one u like the most.
Yup, sadly everyone on the internet thinks that if a car is 0.2sec faster than another round a track that automatically makes it much, much better and the obvious choice if you had to buy one of them..
+Speednote10 are you saying it doesn't???
***** No, of course not. I'd definitely get the Mclaren over the 911 even though I don't really like it. Those 0.2sec of extra perfomance will make all the difference on my sunday blasts down my favourite road.
***** Well I'll get two then.
+Speednote10 salty
Some great driving right there! I must admit if I had to choose just one it would probably be the R8. Love the V10 and that interior!
On most tracks the R8 and Turbo S rape the 570S
loved the test! I think the r8 sounds best tho, even if it wasn't the fastest
normal aspirated engine and a V10. Should sound like the god's music
thefridgeman and it does
Audi has a more powerful and more torque-y turbo V8 engine that it puts in it's RS cars... They stay with this "relatively low torque" V10 to not make their Lamborghini subsidiary look bad. That is what held back the R8 in this - the lack of torque.
Audi wont put yet a turbo engine in R8 because a turbo engine response sucks when compared to a normally aspirated one. And in a sports car you need that. Torque is good for lazy people who do not want to shift or company car's users who want to try something else beside a diesel.
All of the competition moved to turbos... Mclaren - Ferrari - Porsche..
570S>650S when it comes to looks imo.
And day-to-day usability. No more glitchy software, easier ingress/egress, better stereo...
+Ben Krapf no more glitchy software? Can you expand on that? They still use that sluggish Android-based infotainment system right?
I'd go for the 650S over this any day. Suspension is in a different class.
Two completely different time periods. The 650S is getting replaced next year anyways
I like 675 rear. ))
I don't like the back of it..... it looks weak especially in comparison to the 488 gtb.. huracan and 675lt. front is amazing tho
The Turbo doesn't seem to be in Sport Plus. Doesn't have the wing up nor the flap on the front bumper out!
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I can kiss McLaren designers for designing that art...
arey you kidding me, 570S is nowhere good as 650s or above .
+nakul singh lol that's your choice
+nakul singh who said 570 looks better than 675.....I just mean this car is sexy af
+Vaibhav Kumar 650*
+Vaibhav Kumar yeah,. but I don't find it good looking as much as 650s. R8 is the ugliest 😂😂😂
He's pushing these cars hard! Great to watch and great video. One of your best autoexpress
lol I agree, Sutcliffe is a damn hooligan!
Think of how fast the 911 would be if it had racy tires like the McLaren
Think how fast the McLaren would be if it had 4WD like the Porsche...
I expected the 911 to do better. It's the most expensive one. If the 911 couldn't even beat the McLaren on a relatively slow track it would have no chance on a faster track where the McLaren range shine. The 911 should have been fastest given it should have better traction in slower corners, as with all 4wd.
doesn't make sens at all, you get 4wd you get weight with it, the tires can be changed easly not to mention that from factory you can get optional tires, changing car layout is another story
That would make the McLaren considerably heavier and upsetting the weight distribution
a AWD would make the mclaren slower because it would be much heavier etc. The porsche would be faster because having the engine in the rear and awd is a deadly combination. Thats why the Porsche would definitely beat this mclaren with track tyres. Thats just a fact. a sticky tyre makes a car about 4-6 sec faster on a 1 min track. This are tyre manufacturer informations! .... so just make a calculation about how much faster the porsche would be ;)
In addition to the cars being tested in their OEM configuration and the 570s having Pirelli Corsa tires as a consequence, it was the only one car biting the asphalt with only two wheels, so this is as fair as it can possibly be.
Yeah, all the Deutcheheads on here complaining about tires always leave out the fact that the 570s hooks it all up through just the rears.
But it's also a lot lighter. Don't forget that. It's more of a track car than a sports car, like the other 2. Mclaren 570 GT is more of a sports car and comparable to these 2. But a Mclaren being fast is no news. It's the one thing they always concentrate on, rather than making desirable sports cars. Hence why they lose value so fast.
+Fast Er
The 570s is just a sport GT car like the the other two. The lightness comes from its nature. And the grip is proportional with the coefficient of friction and mass distribution (including here the number of wheels which can pull if you refer to traction) rather than weight. Weight however helps comfort and at low speeds may help traction under some circumstances (also at low speeds), while lightness doesn't really. So the comparison between the 3 looks fair from pretty much any angle you look at it.
Also keep in mind that the tires on the 570S are significantly narrower than those on the 991 - 225 fronts and 285 rears. 20 mm of tread makes a difference. If people want to switch tires, then use the same sizes. Wait for the understeer.
Mclaren vs Audi vs Porsche = Steve sutcliff Wins
This is a Porsche victory by a wide margin, its the heavier GT car with less power and street tires
this makes zero sense. You're taking all self inflicted handicaps porsche put on the car and somehow it's better? Mclaren made the better car.
you're both right
Light Yagami how is the McLaren a better car? Considering its power to weight advantage over the other two cars it should have won by a larger margin. The 911 does it all while being the most luxurious
lmfao, brainwashed Porsche fanboys make me laugh so much! Even if the Porsche fell to pieces, they would still think they are better??
Put them all on a proper high speed race circuit and the McLaren would be off into the distance. Tight chicanes suit 4WD, but the 570S beat both of them.
McLaren is king, Porsche is history.
Viking Power sorry the 918 says otherwise, GT3RS...all much better cars and hold their value unlike McLaren's.
Awesome video Sutcliffe! Keep up the great work, It was a really entertaining to watch!
Thank you to this test! Loved it.
The argument amongst the children here is laughable. One would think that they've driven all three cars extensively with elite skills.
Sorry, but being good at Forza doesn't give you the license to rubbish any of these cars. All three are fantastic in their own right.
"All three are fantastic in their own right." um okay. we all knew that.
Well said!
Its not really fair for the 911 since it was the first to go round the track when it was still wet. 911 + P zero Corsa + dry track = win for the 911
Steve did say that the track line was dry. If you can't believe them on that statement alone, you might as well disregard any automotive comparison from here on out.
+Alan Bowers he said "it's pretty much dry" then said it's dry, so you'll have to excuse his skepticism about weather it's the truth or not. I can definitely see how a possible wet or damp spots on the track could affect that
It's not a track car so don't expect much from it
+Danny Contreras Wow, such ignorance
+mrbdazz I know right
ugh, so hard, its so close between 911 turbo s and 570s... but the 570s is rwd and v8 so im going with the 570s. plus its sexy af
I love Porsches but that turbocharged flat 6 sounds like a vacuum cleaner.
I like GT3's and other NA models like Cayman GTS and Carrera GTS soooo much better. They not as fast in straight line but more fun and they sound incredible.
And the 570S yes.. its a fantastic car. Its a shame though that the rear window on the 570GT looks soooo much better because the 570S is a better supercar
And it's cheaper
+Engideer true even better
+Jort Rinket i feel you with the sound, but i have alway been a huge turbo fan
But how can you beat the sound of an N/A high revving V10... I hate how the 570S sounds like... Too flat plane like and not like the P1 or 12c ....
“It’s so fast through the chicane”
Because you drove straight over it!
fit that porsche with p0 corsa and it will smoke 570s
He's not butt hurt, we just want a fair comparison 570 is also lighter so it has an advantage there to.
Fit the 570S with AWD and it will some the 911 Turbo
fit the Mclaren with 4 wheel drive and it will smoke the 911
***** adds weight but.it would still be lighter than the heavy 911
All your arguments are pointless and prove you know nothing of vehicle dynamics nor automotive journalism.
Fantastic video! Now for the road test where we find out which is the best real world vehicle?
Hey Auto Express, I'm a new subscriber and I was wondering if you could add a few things to your already superb videos.
I'd love to know at what speed you start each lap just to get an estimate for comparisons. I'd also love to see the G's that each super car pulled around the bends of your track. I hope you take these thoughts in consideration for your upcoming videos and thank you for the great content!
All amazing rides! McLaren for speed & Audi for style in my opinion.
Cool watch-- is it a Glashutte Original? I've been considering a Sixties model lately.
GREAT REVIEW AUTOEXPRESS!
My preference in 123
1:Turbo S
2: R8
3:mclaren
love his reviews!
Great compare of these three!!
What is filming the follow-up shots? It went through lawn like it was nothing but bumped around on tarmac.
drone?
Yeah I was about to comment about that
looked like an rc car , then they just used a stabilization effect on premiere pro.
always supporting Sutcliffe wherever you are!!
What an astonishing machine the Porsche. A "grand tourer" with four seats and street tires that destroys anything in the track, what an engineering achievement.
What case car went through the grass?
Also, the 570S's tyres are grippier, but they also look narrower, are they?
+Auto Express Have you got the full racing laps of each cars with vbox telemetry data overlay? Quite annoying to see a fast lap with no data of what the cars are doing!
I love all three, but I'd still get the R8 if it's just a weekend car or 911 otherwise. Lap times are all good, but it's all about the emotions and experience you get, and that's where it becomes hard to beat the naturally aspirated V10
I would've chosen McLaren before I knew the results purely on style. It's freakin amazing looking.
McLaren for me please. It's just so special, carbon fibre tub, same engine as the P1 and McLaren name... one of the best F1 teams ever. I love R8's engine, styling is cool too, but that's it. It could be a more interesting car if it was RWD, but we all know it will never happen. And the 911 Turbo. I'd rather have the GT3 myself. Turbo for me is just a 911 on steroids. Yes, it's a capable and practical car, but two other car here are much more special.
Not the same engine as the P1, the P1s engine is completely unique compared to their other cars it doesn't share a single component. Even the block has a different part number because it is made of a different alloy.
My mistake, I thought the engine block is the same and the internals are obviously different on the P1, thanks for clearing this up!
Spoke too soon...R8 V10 RWD currently in production.
Nyiko Malongete Well when you wrote your comment his comment was already 10 months old.
What a machine that Mac is, top work Steve
3 great cars. Cool test.
what a fantastic showdown!
Steve is my fav of all the car reviewers
Kudos on the chase cam. Well done!
Rather than saying how the McLaren won, I'd have pointed out how the 911 did so well when it's a Grand tourer not a track car. Incredibly close times though. If you did another lap in each the outcome could have been completely different.
All are amazing, but how could you walk past the Turbo S?
Collapsed-lung acceleration, AWD for any road and any weather, 2+2 seating, massive build quality, GT ability to blast across Europe and destroy a race track too.
Astonishing car.
Why is he not in the running for Top Gear host? I've always loved his reviews
Here comes the tyre train everybody, I struggled to keep up with those laps and that trail car going off course put a shiver down my spine, fucking brilliant test!
So you go on a track and the put the turbo s in comfort mode and not sport plus?
How long will corsas last on the heavier 911 turbo s not a practical track car like the mclaren 570S.
Are there any channels on CZcams where they test all the cars on the same tires?
Bought a 570S one year ago and love it more every day. Fast, comfortable and extremely stylish......what else could I ask for
How is the reliability of the car?
For me, Sutters is by far the best and most genuine car journalist out there, Harris is up there too. Great comparison, thanks
is this the same track the grand tour uses?
The Porsche would smoke the Mclaren if it had the Corsa on. I do a lot of racing. The tyres are one of the absolut key elements for a better lap time. Super impressed with the Porsche.
Ok so who the hell was the camera man who decided to straight line the Chicane 😂
I'd get out of his way seems like you were holding him up
Having a kid, the only option is the Porsche! I test drove the 991.1 Turbo S and it was incredible. Can't wait to try the 991.2!
All with equal rubber would have been a lot different. Like to see apples to apples in these comparison tests, as possible. All great rides.
That's some proper driving. Cheers
The thing with 911s is...theres always the GT3 and GT3 RS
Big McLaren fan, but I believe the 918 has proven to be faster than the P1 on a few occasions. For example, I'm pretty sure MotorTrend tested them both at Laguna Seca and the 918 had the faster lap.
And I believe the P1 has been proven faster on a few occasions as well.
W-James Oh totally, my point was that the P1 isn't completely dominant over the 918
***** Yes, but the GT3 and GT3 RS are in the same ballpark price point of the 570S and R8 V10 Plus, and the GT3 isn't exactly an uncomfortable car either. How much does a 675LT cost again? LOL so quick to jump the gun
***** You could have said "I'm ignorant and I have money" and been done with it, instead of waste yours and my time.
3 awesome cars driven hard an very well by an experienced driver , the truth is that 90percent of people who will buy them will and can't drive them like this so let's just enjoy the experience of them doing wat they do . Also very good vid keep it up
you guys should do a drag race with these cars
STEEVE!!!!! Welcome back!
very nice steve. This job is fucking sick.
good review ! as always and people are complaining about tires...but the sir told us! that they test them as brand new ...and mclaren just came with that tire....if Porsche uses ''CORSA'' tire it will be faster .....and dont forget that this cars have fully adjustable suspensions ....so there is even more time in the suspesion settings
Amazing that the Porsche would be still the faster can when you would change to same set of tires. Than it would be also better in dry conditions than the McLaren. In all other conditions it is already better (rain, dirt, normal roads, daily driving, comfort, ...). Same happened when they test the GT3 RS vs the 675LT ... With way better race tires the McLaren was just 0,006 seconds faster. With same set of tires this would change drastic, so that the Porsche would be about 1,2 to 1,5 seconds faster per lap.
"better"? you talk like you've thoroughly tested both cars in all conditions. The cars are so close in lap-times that it comes down to subjective preference.
damm that mclaren ( like all mclarens) is one awesome car ..well done on a well deserved win yet again
I'm glad the McLaren won here. being light and having a fine tuned chassis is the way to go. the Germans are too heavy with their sophisticated 4wd systems. more important than lap times, Steve said the McLaren felt most like a track car out of the 3, which makes it a clear winner for me.
Davie Man you know, I would pick the Mclaren if it had a naturally aspirated engine
gt3 would be the ultimate winner here
top test from Steve as usual - although Tires become such a big differentiator - they need to be the same on all 3 cars in order to do a test. Then 570S tends to have over 600 hp in real life. I'd still say the 911 is overall winner taking it's all year around Qualities but for those who want something more flashy the Mac package is hard to beat
ok so in conclusion the porsche wins. with same tires obviously.
But stock, the Porsche doesn't come with those tyres so you cannot complain. McLaren put those tyres on even though it made the car more expensive, which shows up the Porsche as it's the most expensive yet does not come with them
but the 570s is only rwd so the grip is probably still not as good. though, that means it weighs a lot less.
+Russell 2/10's of a second isnt "showing up" anything. But nice try fanboi.
Yep... agreed.
Porsche decided to go with a more confortable tire, Mclaren with a more "racy" tire.
In conclusion the Porsche lost. It has AWD vs RWD on a damp track. What's your point, you degenerate moron
I can almost see Jenson Button's face on that McLaren's front end, which is a good thing!
The 570S would be my pick if i was spending my money. I love that Porsche though, its a monster.
I have never seen a car more stunning than that Mclaren :o
I have a 570S. Why do you have an orange 570S in some shots, but a yellow in others? I doubt it's sun reflection or shadows ....
Why the Porsche isn't in sport plus mode with it's wings extended?
Can't wait for the gt2 RS to start smoking everything
I love all of them, it would be a hard choice. On the other hand, god damn can he drive and speak at the same time :D Just a superb performance from Steve both as a journalist and a driver
What s up 4:07... Love it, nice and clean, just between the cones !
I am a amateur race driver. Driving in endurance racing for years. And I can tell you that we once tried Michelin Cup 2 tiers and lost around 2 seconds per lap, compared to our R- tiers. Nothing changes the outcome of the lap time as using track orientated tiers. Don't understand why they do these comparisons with different tiers? I am super impressed by the Porsche. If it would have the same tiers as the McLaren it would have done far better.
Some of you argue about AWD vs RWD. As a race driver I prefer RWD. It makes the car lighter and more nimble to drive. Sure on a wet track a would prefer the AWD.
But in my book this race goes to the Porsche.
hardest $200k question I can think of.
What you reckon a 675LT would do around that track?
It would be closer to P1 territory. Different class.
Bye bye Porsche.
Whether or not the MCLaren is the fastest, if it had AWD would it still be faster and if it was heavier would it still be so good, put the sticky tires on the Turbo blah blah blah. The fact is the 570 is brand new! The Turbo S is YEARS old. OK, they updated the platform, but have been since the Turbo was first itorduced IT SHOULD BE GOOD! You Porsche fanboys are fucking pathetic. They have spent billions researching in to improvements over the years. Barely updated the look of the car with just a few tweaks and such. But you lot, think the Turbo S just came out of no where 5 minutes ago and took diwb every other car! Lets see the 570 in 40 years time how BRILLIANT it would be...
the bigger fact everyone's forgetting is british bias.
you can 100% sure there's some of that here. like always.
*****
SO when the Germans win it's not biased? They win because they keep remaking the same car time and time again!
sw1000xg See what you've said there? I can tell you that you're the fanboy over here
@@GraveUypo You're absolutely right. There is almost always bias in every opinion... ALMOST. I have had the privilege of driving the 911 on a track day, the v10 plus as a hire car, and I have just chosen the mclaren 570s spider as my next hire car, which is what brought me here.
Right now I would opt for the Naturally aspirated R8... Instant power delivery, fantastic brakes, capable of oversteer when pushed, nicley planted. Only downside which I could tell is the electric steering being a little less communicative than I'd like. The Porsche is very fast and capable, but failed to spark any emotion.
However, on paper I would always opt for the Mclaren out of the 3 and not because of the aforementioned British bias, but because of it's characteristics; RWD, lightweight, agile, hydraulic steering, and you have to work for it... it's a drivers car!
If the Germans or any other nationality had built a car with these characteristics it would not change my opinion of the car. I make up all of my opinions objectively, as I'm sure many others do.
It's most likely your slight disliking of the British which pushed you to make such a comment in the first place.
O.2 seconds faster, could totally feel it!
What would be the time if the Audi had some Corsa tyre?
The Pzero are the worst tyre on track
this is too entertaining.
very cool !
All 3 lovely !!
BTW the TIRES make a huge difference here, Porsche with Pirelli's Corsa has the greatest performance
6, 8 or 10?
Its only 0.2 seconds faster guys
ZaKTricKzz ‘ NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN!!
i don't care what people say... i'd still take that beauty turbo s over the other two
Yes !
yea the 570s performance was unexpectedly fast but they mclaren are of formula 1 pedigree anyway... id take a couple tenths of a second off for the everyday usability and beauty of the 911turbo s anyday as well.
Depends on what you want. My 991 Turbo bored the hell out of me in daily traffic. Yes - super comfortable, etc., but so was my Range Rover Sport. The 570S on the other hand feels alive and engaging even rolling in traffic at 35 mph.
Porsche just won LeMans twice, and already were on the market decades before McLaren made their first car. Stop making excuses.
nickys34 listen kid, everybody have different opinion on how a anythings looks (cars, motorcycle, a person's face, art, music, etc)... some people will say something is ugly some people will disagree, so if you can grow up and try to respect other's opinion, that'll be great for you
The video did not mention that the Porsche and Audi use fatter broader tyres. They made it sound like the Mac had a tyre advantage but if anything it is the other way around.
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Navigation System "recalculating" lol
good combination....
Why do comparisons like this if you aren't going to use the same (or at least same class) of tires on each vehicle?
Put the same P Zero Corsa tires on all 3 cars and run them around the track again. Results would be different. You can't say one car is faster than the other if one has a much better rubber on.
911 Turbo S > R8 V10 Plus > Freaking Pokemon
Allot of Porsche fanboys complaining about the tyres. The Turbo S and 570S were both on the tyres they come with. The Porsche is AWD and has the same tyres you would fit on a 918. The 570S is lighter and more track focused. Its a worthy winner and just happens to be sexy af.
Get your information right. The 918 uses Pilot Sport Cup 2 not Pilot Supersport which is the one used by the Turbo and the R8.
+john m I've tracked both in F1 Barcelona circuit, and there is 2sec difference in the firsts laps, after few more laps, the Supersports performance comes down like crazy.
If Porsche offered the Corsas then they'll use them. But they don't, so they used what Porsche supplied them with.
I’m sure you will tag me as a fanboy as I own the 991.2 Turbo S,
That being said tires make a huge difference here’s the difference the PSS on the Porsche and Audi have a tread wear of 200 designed for more everyday use, even moving up to the Cup 2 treat wear is 120 much softer tire and grippier there so much more then the PSS. Now the P0s Corsa ( PZC4 ) have a tread wear of 80 and is considered a track only tire with super soft sticky tires. There trying to say Race tires over street tires are the same but there not.
In this style of comparison the whole test is is Invalid as to meany variables.
This shows how extremely good the Porsche is, with the Trefeo tires it would have won and this is with the weight disadvantage...I am a amateur racing driver and know how important the tires are and you could argue that if the 570s had four wheel drive then it would have won, but it is not that easy making a great four wheel drive system is very complicated and ads weight and it can be a disadvantage having a four wheel drive car on the race track so who says it would be better for the 570s with the four wheel drive...change tires takes minutes making a four wheel drive system that works perfectly takes generations of cars.
Reading the comments on here, i can't believe how butthurt Porsche fanboys are for having lost against a well superior car. Take a walk, come back next time with a better car.
Sometimes, I feel like porsche fanboys are worse than GTR fanboys. Sad.
McLaren are amazing,there's not a bad car in there entire range and the fact they've achieved all this quality in 5 yrs makes it even more astounding,great to see a British car brand beating the established Marques
What I am not able to wrap my head around is why are people complaining about tires the Michelins strapped to the Porsche are more or less the same as the Corsas. You wanna upgrade how about use the Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2s also found on the 918. They were good enough to beat the P1. But that would mean upgrading the 570s to a set of Trofeos or Trofeo Rs as found on the P1. I still think the 570s would win because it's so much lighter. People are saying the Porsche would get 3 seconds over the 570 if it had the same tires. Are you kidding me?! 3 seconds on this small track is monumental. That would be like 20 seconds at the Ring and we know damn well the McLaren isn't 20 seconds slower. If the Porsche were faster it maybe by a tenth of a second or two and that's a big IF!
Nice video but the porsche does'nt seems to be in sport plus mode because the rear spoiler is down.
They were all in their optimum configurations when the lap times were taken Charles, promise, even if there are some shots where the 911's rear wing isn't out. We do the times, and then we shoot them; and then we shoot them some more. And maybe at some point during the latter the 911's Sport Plus button hadn't been pressed. Hope that makes some sense, cheers, Steve
All right thank you for your answer, love your videos , keep it up. Cheers, Charles
I was surprised the McLaren was faster than the 911. I expected it to be just behind the Porsche but ahead of the Audi. Having owned two 911s in my 56 year life, I believe McLaren are currently the best looking cars on the planet. Please let me know when they reach Porsche levels of reliability and 'reasonable' maintenance costs... if that ever happens, I will buy a 4 or 5 year old model (I hope).