Windows 11 vs Tiny 11: Does Debloating Offer Better Performance?
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- čas přidán 19. 07. 2024
- Last week I showed you how to create your own Tiny 11 ISO. this week we are going to see if it was worth it by testing if Tiny 11 is faster then Windows 11.
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I thought that the general reason for Tiny 10/11 was to enable things to run more smoothly on lower end systems, especially those with small amounts of RAM. So for me, this gaming test was not really in the right ballpark to begin with.
Yes if person that does benchmarks its not stupid as this person its, any difference possible to see will be on Cpu and Hdd side and he its putting resolution that wont show that
Exactly! If you have 8 or even on some games 16Gb of ram, then you will see the difference but especially at the 8Gb mark. Also the cpu matters if you have the low clock speeds under 2.4Ghtz or a lower core count like 4 but with any modern cpu made in the last 5 years this shouldn’t be an issue. Mainly the ram
@@nikolygtx8848harsh
Not to mention much improvement in battery life
It was a useful video because I was wondering if with my somewhat strong system I could get any improvement in performance.
Clearly it can't, now I know.
Friendly advice: debloating won't eliminate bottlenecks from gpu, run these tests again on 1080p then we'll talk.
@@broseidon2519 totaly true. On my LG Oled Cx i can feel everything getting stuttery and not as smooth under 90 fps. (120hz oled)
also getting more blurry the more low you go.
Well I mean he did run GTA5, and from experience that game loves CPU clock cycles, doesn't really matter the res, I was actually sorta expecting a difference but there wasn't any.
@@VikingDudee yeah but he's running a relatively decent multi core CPU... Certainly good enough for GTA5 and overhead...
Generally speaking, IMHO, these debloated Windows installs are effective for rejuvenating the in-Windows user experience with older, deprecated hardware: try again with a Ryzen 1000/2000 series or Intel
@@SuperiorMind wat, humans can definitely see past 60fps lol. There's a reason whe every pro gamer plays on 144hz+ it's like night and day.
An RTX 3060 at 4k? And you expect improvements from the OS at 4k? Please stop wasting our time.
The benefit of de-bloating is in reducing memory and disk space. the reduced cache would also mean less swapping/disk usage to load those apps when they wake up And, perhaps more usefully, reduced downloads for updates of now-not-installed apps. The latter is why I am using it to build a system for someone who is on satelite internet.
That's definitely a benefit.
I tested Tiny 11 vs Win11 for battery life, thinking fewer system resources would show an improvement. My test was very limited, but one commenter suggested that the reason Win11 got the better battery life was because: the relevant Windows services that optimize for battery life were missing from Tiny11.
Yes that's definitely the reason!
That’s the most Microsoft thing I’ve heard all day
Yes mate, be interesting to see how tiny 11 compares on a more modest system as I suspect that is what it is meant for
I would like to see a test of a lesser system. My GPU is rather wimpy.
I installed Tiny11 on my laptop and it ran much better than Windows 11. Yes I would love to see you test Tiny11 on a lower end system
I have forza horizon4 on the windows app store, will it work you think?
Which edition of win11? & was it activated?
@@mumarsaysis based on windows 11 pro and i have not found a way to activate it even with a genuine key
Yes please run the test with a CPU bound computer because that will show us whether or not tiny 11 is worth the effort since we have to make it ourselves
Hi friend, I would be interested in seeing how the Tiny 11 operating system works on a computer that is 10 to 12 years old.
Great review. I was planning to do a fresh tiny 11 insall on my 13600k + 3080 system for 1440p gaming. But, after watching this video. Doesn't seem like its worth the hassle. I was hoping for better FPS improvements.
With the processing power and speeds we got today, finding any practical differences is probably next to impossible. Turn back the clock to when terminating a bloat process made an immediate noticable difference, debloat made a heck of a difference. These days, I think the shift needs to be more concerned with keeping telemetry and privacy robbing bloat from running in the background.
Indde. Back in the days I made a tiny ME. It occupied 268 Mb instead of 600 and something. That made a huge difference on lower end PC's, but not so much on higher end. That still is the rule today. If a game is optimized to use 4 GB of RAM, it doesn't matter if you run a comparison on a system with 16 GB e.g. Your OS using 4 or 2 would not make a diffenrence on the high end system but would make a difference if you only have 4 GB to begin with.
I am fairly certain that most folks that are looking to reduce the amount of telemetry data that is being collected by Microsoft. Maybe you could do some comparisons between default Windows 11 and a Tiny11 install that compares the amount of data that leaves your computer without your knowledge. Additionally, I am fairly certain that the number of running processes is dramatically lower on Tiny 11 upon initial install.
As you said, would be interesting to see performance difference on a lower end system, or on 1080p res as the CPU bottleneck will be more prevalent
Appreciated your video! I recommend checking out the Ghost Spectre ISO as well.
Ghost is debloated and TWEAKED for gaming. Tiny 11 is just debloated. So Ghost will be better one.
@Dr Redneck Its not for daily use, just for isolated gaming machine. If you get it from right place is clean. For daily use i run win 10 debloated by me with MSMGtoolkit and CTTwinutil.
My memory fails me, but back in December 2022, I came across one of your videos about debloating Windows 11. I had just purchased a new Acer with 11 installed. I don't remember what the program was that you suggested, but between that and my own experience, my Win 11 is quite comfortable to work with. So, thanks again. 👍
This was great and it goes to show you even bloated W11 is optimized enough at least for gaming.
He tested it on a rather powerful system, so it’s normal that there isn’t much difference. Tiny11 is meant for lower-end devices, not top gaming PCs.
Nice Video! Keep up the good work!
Tiny 11 is meant for older/entry level computer systems. That's where you see the difference in performance. Laptops are still being sold with 4GB of RAM running Windows 11, and that's where you will see the performance boost regarding Tiny 11.
Yes you have to test that with 4 or 8 GB of RAM i am kinda disposition because 32GB of RAM is overkill 😅
Will Tiny11 increase the lifespan of a device running their main OS on a SD?
ty man!!! pls keep this up
Thanks for the video was very helpful
Kinda expected that result, but maybe with the other rules it may look different.
Would be interesting to see how it performs when CPU is a bottleneck or maybe even a RAM bottleneck (say 4 or 8GB of RAM) and in general a low end PC.
Thanks for the video!
@CyberCPU why does my cache say 6.8gb used even after doing exactly what you instructed in the previous video? did i do something wrong? although, the install took only about 20gb of space...
I did the debloat with the answers file and installed the new image this morning. Gaming performance hasn't changed much, but the snappiness of the system in navigating around various things, including just internet browsing is noticeable. Not to mention the boot time being mere seconds. I like it. And now it only contains exactly what I've installed and nothing extra- the way it used to be.
I would like to see you speak more about the differences between high-end and low-end CPUs. I notice a huge difference between my computer that has an Intel i5 and my other computer that has an Intel Celeron. The i5 handled a Windows 11 update not long ago that caused my Celeron to go dark. I replaced the OS on the Celeron with unbloated Win 11 (X-Lite), and it (so far) is running much better. Do you think Windows 11 is a one-size-fits-all-CPUs system?
I think the catch for Tiny 11 is the lower install size - if you use a 64 GB-ish partition which you are backing up on a flash drive. I have a dual Windows 10 system. The initial idea was to have a Windows Online and a Windows Offline, I ended up using them both online, but the "Offline" has a Steam with a Steam library that has the single player offline games. There is a huge pressure on this partition, because that's where the saves are. And I'm planning to keep this the same way even when I'll upgrade the SSD drive, prior to the release of Starfield.
Yes I want to see it!! When is it coming out??
Hope you are doing awesome!!!!
Hey ! Hi
For particular case such as handheld pc like asus rog with integrated gpu asking for lot of ram: about debloating ? the fact that we earn something like one giga of ram after debloating, is it helpfull in game ? Fps or graphical improvement ? Or battery Life ?
I doubt there will ever be much difference between a fresh stock Windows install and a debloated one in games. What I believe would be noticeable is a difference in daily tasks, especially on older hardware with less RAM, or older/cheaper laptops that some just use to browse the web, watch a movie, CZcams and so on. So just opening/loading a browser or an extra tab and watching a YT video would be much better on a debloated system that has like 4GB-8GB of RAM and a slower CPU.
Windows efficiently utilizes available RAM based on your system's capacity. It's very good with RAM management, automatically reallocating resources when required by other programs.
The RAM utilized by Windows is not due to unnecessary overhead or "bloat"; rather, it intelligently caches frequently used programs, ensuring faster access and responsiveness when opening them.
@@root4-all except it doesnt as much as you might think. Its just we have SSDs now which hide this thrashing of the system constantly at work compared to mechanical drives you can hear as they work.
@@themadmallard I did not intend to imply that Windows RAM management works wonders. My intention was simply to clarify that the utilization of RAM is a feature of Windows (and a good one) and not a flaw.
Furthermore, I find your use of the term "thrashing" quite vague and misleading. What constitutes as "trashing?" Even attempting to comprehend the operations of computers in the 90s can be overwhelming. Compatibility aside, imagine trying to run an OS from the 90's on a computer from the 80's and one would be hard pressed to say the computer isn't getting thrashed. You see, it is all relative. Modern computers are significantly more advanced than their predecessors, and they are designed to handle the demands placed upon them by both end users and the Windows operating system. Therefore, while Windows RAM management may not be as sophisticated as some may believe, it ultimately does not matter because it fulfills its purpose effectively.
Yes do that test. Love your videos
I concur with your conclusion. I created a Tiny11 image a few days ago but haven't installed it yet. I plan to put it on my Surface Pro 7 (Core i5 1035G4, 8GB of RAM, 128GB storage). The extra 10GB of storage on the NVMe would be nice. I also frequently fill up the RAM. Between Windows itself, 3ish GB going to the Iris G4 GPU, and memory hogs like Chrome/Edge, it's hard to keep enough RAM open for any real multitasking. I do use some stock Windows features that Tiny11 removes so I'll have to add those back, but I expect to see an improvement regardless. Maybe this week I'll test it - after my important meetings, just in case the install goes pear shaped.
So how did it go? Ive been looking at surface pro but havent pulled the trigger yet and if tiny works better than why not start out on it
@@hellaboredfs It worked pretty well! I did have to add the Xbox App back as I use GamePass Ultimate for their cloud gaming when I am out of the house. I have also since gotten a mini PC (Think Intel NUC) for my living room and it came with 8GB of RAM. What I have ultimately decided is 8GB of RAM simply is not enough for W11 (And likely modern PCs). Tiny11 is just a stopgap solution. If you are looking at a Surface, make sure to order one with 16GB+ of RAM, as it's not user upgradable. Also, if you buy an older one, don't get the 7, get the 7+ or higher, they have an M.2 slot that you can add a drive to instead of just microSD (Double check that for the specific model before you buy).
I love the Surface form factor, but I think I am going to be upgrading to an ASUS ROG Flow Z13 (Specifically the Z13, not the X13, X13 is one of those flippy laptop things. They're often different SKUs on the same product page). Same tablet + detachable keyboard form factor on the Z13 but can get a model with a RTX3050 for light gaming. And it has active cooling. Price is a bit steep though.
It would be interesting to see this test done on a very cheap laptop from a big box store like Walmart or Best Buy since they come packed with bloatware from the factory.
Is there an option to choose some of the original programs i still want to use? Because its great most of them are gone but i need some of them like paint, calculator, camera, microsoft edge...
I already installed Tiny W. 10 once but i couldn't install the basic programs. I need the tiny version but i'd rather choose an original windows if those basic programs, apps are missing...
Yeah I agree with you later in the video, you need to do these tests on a lower end or older system. Something that would struggle getting say 60FPS in SoTTR @1080p. Then the extra resources being freed up might actually make a difference. As a bonus SoTTR runs really well in Linux too should you want to compare it to a 'light' distro too.
I'm Thinking the following or similar:
i5 3570k Stock
8GB DDR3
GTX 1060 3GB / 6GB Stock
HDD for the game and OS
If you have 32GB of RAM and you free up a few GB using Tiny11 it wont mean much in day to day usage.
If you are running an SSD with high bandwidth then eliminating a few background processes that taxes the drive won't make much of a difference either.
If you are thinking of Tiny 11 for performance purposes as opposed to just getting rid of annoying bloat, then older or lower end systems would be the only ones to benefit.
Hi Rich, is it 100% legal to use this kind of modified Windows 11 or Windows 10 (using the MSMG Toolkit) operating systems at companies or state institutions? Thanks, Josy
Is that a Flux Capacitor behind you !!! Great video I always give you a thumbs up,,Does Tiny 11 cut down on telemetry, Microsoft snooping?
I installed Atlas OS on my laptop recently. My specs are i5 5250u 920m 4gb and 8gb ram. I am getting much better performance than originally. If i have to compare the differences between original and after debloating, id say are 2 to 3 gb free ram since i dont have Win Defender runnning in the background anymore.
Games not that much fps difference but yeah stability is more.
I can now run Discord smoothly without it all the time hiccuping at every step of the way.
Discord barely would even run properly on default win10 for me.
Im guessing that if you have a good system, a debloater really won't show a difference since your system is good to begin with. The performance definitely shows when you are on an older system. I am not gonna go back to og Win10.
Tried on surface 2 go, but keeps pushing me back to setup page. install seems to go through, but just boots me back. any suggestions?
I need to start using windows virtualized on VMWare in linux mint for Autodesk Maya which is a 3D aniamtion software, Im an animator, do you think using tinyX would improve the efficiency and fps inside a virt machine? Thank a lot for his video
I remember complaining about XP taking over a gig of drive space, and declaring that I'd stick with 2000 as long as possible.
Would it be suitable for an older laptop? want to give it to my parents who need basic functions like internet document editing etc. as the laptop has integrated GPU and 8 GB of RAM it should be better?
My question: If the debloated versions do well with less CPU and HD usage, would that make them ideal for running on virtual machines? I only run Windows in Virtualbox on Linux machines.
As I play on my laptop which tends to get pretty hot sometimes, I would like to know if tiny temps would be lower as it uses less resources, like the RAM.
I tried tiny 11 on a old Q6600 system, even on a unsupported and old system, it didn't make enough of a difference for me to even care, at least for just general use.
going from 4gb of usage in cached ram to less than a gig sounds amazing enough for me. if i have to install windows 11 eventually, i might just get the tiny iso version so that i can save on ram. because not all of us can get the latest ram sticks when ever we want.
I recommend building the ISO yourself like I did in the last video.
@@CyberCPU Can you make a video to show how easy is download of windows 11 ISO and removing apps during its building with UUPdump and CustomAppsList. (Not for me, for others)
Yes, I would like to see tiny 11 install on a lower powered system and maybe even compare it to Linux installed on the same low powered system. Thanks 4 your time
Dude you have a crazy build out there. there's nothing much to change in those numbers. Even gaming in default windows 11 I doubt it uses at 100% your memory. basically it designed to improve the performance of low-end pc like something with i5 cpu ,8gb ram like that.
Video on making win 11 lite with msmg toolkit?
Also would upgrading from a standard win 10 to a win 11 lite os remove unwanted software and apps on a pc?
If tiny basically frees up memory, wouldn't the biggest gains be on systems either with lower memory (e.g 8 - 16 gb), a cluttered hdd, or both? I feel like windows tiny is more likely to effect how quickly a game/program will load, rather than how fast it will run (since ultimately that would be hard ware dependent). It might also give performance boosts in more loaded scenarios, e.g. alt-tabbing in and out with a bunch of browser windows open.
Not to mention increased battery life in laptops
Can you achieve the same system resource demand (drop) without having to create an iso using the default install and then debloating like in your previous videos, I would rather spend the time debloating the default install if that is the case.
Cool! You test your VGA 😁
i play games on my crap desk top even reoblox has everything maxed to 100% think its worth it to try and swap? id really like to see you do it on a lower end system or just what you think i should do
How is this for improving laptop battery life for general use?
Using your Tiny11 vid from 10 days ago to install it in my mom's laptop. It's an old laptop from ~2013 running Windows 8.1 and it's running like shit. Hope this will make a huge difference for her.
I don't remember what kind of laptop it is but do you think I should use MBR partition?
Can you update on How It did?
testing the difference on low spec config makes a lot more sense than doing in on high end configuration. afterall, a big reason why people prefer debloated version of win11 is because they're running weaker systems. your time and advice in this regard is well appreciated.
Can I set a new system from the start with tiny ?
As I found out the hard way, de-bloating MS Windows 10 does not last past the first day it gets to "call home" - which is why my current MS Windows 10 can't "call home" which bother me not at all, 'cause the other side of the dual-boot is Linux Mint which is quite safe to allow internet access.
Cool Video!
Hi #CyberCPU I have win 10 and I want to migrate to win 11 with clean installation. however I have games on the EA app and Epic games, and If I move the games and install win11, will the games have problems in win11?
Are there remarkable differences for a user who does not play games? (Let's say, a Office, Photoshop and video editing user)
I'd be interested in seeing benchmarks with AtlasOS vs default Windows 10 as in Linus' video featuring Atlas it seemed like he got a pretty decent performance boost.
Atlasos isn't worth the security risk
@@nexii1479 There is none, you've just fallen for a load of fearmongering. AtlasOS can be installed on the latest version of Windows 10 so you're not missing out on security updates at this very moment and by the time another is necessary AtlasOS would have already pushed 0.3 which restores Windows Updates among other things. Really the only thing you're missing out on atm is Windows Defender but anyone with half a brain is safe without it.
Amazing clear and objective review of the two OS
Glad it helped.
@@CyberCPU Even if debloating doesn't make a lot of difference. The main thing is I don't want unnecessary services and processes running in the background. Also don't want Microsoft spyware crap running in the background either. Things like Windows Defender, Windows Store and Cortana are completely removed off my system. Also have annoying user account control disabled as well. Don't like any annoying features by Microsoft on my pc. I will not use Microsoft edge either. Because it's basically a remake of Internet Explorer. I use Brave Nightly 64 bit browser instead. I like to be in full control on what goes on my pc and what doesn't. By the way I don't use regular Windows 10 at all because of the bloat that comes with security updates and feature updates. The only version of Windows I will ever use is Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2019. Plus you get much longer security update support vs the regular version which most of the sheep like masses use. There's an old saying successful people don't do what the masses are doing.
On full blown setups like yours and mine aint gonna see much difference in performance. I would like to see the the comparison on a lower spec pcs. Im gonna be getting a NucBox5 which is 4 core 4 thread intel pc. Debloat iso might come in handy there.
Could you do a rundown on Atlas OS and how it differs from Tiny10/11?
What sort of knvt zooms in and out like that? Pick one.
Thats why i use UUPdump (to download latest build with custom apps list) + MSMG toolkit (to cut out all that i dont need) + CTTwinutil (to set proceses to manual).
If you were to do another test, perhaps try it on a pc that's min req spec for W11
This channel needs more attention!
I hope it's is bud 😂
That's a vague statement. More attention?
Loading times are the main benefit tho. Everything is just SO much snappier on a debloated system. And as some said here, CPU bound and/or 1080p tests are the relevant benchmark here.
I downloaded it on my old PC which only has 8gb of DDR3 ram and for web browsing it worked a treat and ran a lot smoother
Question will going on tiny 11 from windows 10 delete my data?
Has anyone performed a Wireshark packet capture to see just exactly what is left? There is still a lot of traffic to facebook and google (without Chrome running) even though they are not present.
Can you please make a tips and tricks video on tiny 11??
And di the tiny 11 affect any driver update ?? and do it affect downloads when we download someting from the web???
Please answerr!😊
Yes I didn't find much on a dell venu pro or HP laptop but I load win 11 then strip the unnessecary stuff out with revo uninstaller as it revoves files and registry entries of unnessesary apps and I do notice a very little performance boost but not much
The appealing thing about tiny11 script, is the clean slate that its offer. After that you can run the christitus script to apply sane privacy restrictions and security updates, and then you have a good windows experience.
Debloating significantly helps some old systems 2010-2017 era, and low ram/cpu cores, and especially it helps with HDD.
I have some old Intel Celeron 2 cores 2GHz, and 8Gigs of ddr3 + HDD as the system drive.
Without debloating the system is literally not usable even for browsing/text entry. But with debloat it become almost as fast as the 5GHz systems (minus the launch speed obviously because of HDD).
Hi yes I'm interested if can test in older patato pc or laptop, I'm not decided what operating system to install in older laptop Intel core Duo with 4 GB ram. What is your recommendation to install windows debloating? Linux? Or if possible to install Android version😂
I would be down for a lower spec -say, 4 gig ram low-end CPU (just above 1ghz celeron - 4100 series) intergrated GPU and say 64GB storage?
You have too much ram and too high end of a cpu to see the difference. Drop down to 8Gb and test that on tiny vs regular, then do a test at 16Gb and then finish off with the 32Gb. What you’ll see the difference is mainly in ram amount and speed/cache and not just a “wow tiny 11 is great”.
It makes a huge difference on my Lenovo Miix3 with 2GB of RAM , 64GB of eMMC and Atom processor. On a standard install all resources are spent on Windows Installer, Antimalware and Compatibility Telemetry rendering the system useless. With a Tiny install the system is at least usable.
i have T7600 - Dual Xeon E5-2687W 64GB ram but cant run windows 11. should i install tiny 11 or windows 10 will be a better option.
focused work : Game Development in unreal engine 5 and gaming.
Also from a video that I saw, you don't have those hardware restrictions like windows 11 currently has. Like the TPM, CPU and secure boot for example.
My GPU is a GeForce GTX 960, my CPU is an AMD FX 4300 Quad-Core
I am curious if Tiny11 would help a system like mine.
will all games from steam epic games etc run on this system
Why not just save installed disk images of different window versions and you won't have to configure different configs every time?
Can you also do battery tests, and intel iris graphics
4k benchmark in GPU capped scenario is exactly type of workload you can't see difference in between Foundation OS that is lighter or heavier on CPU cycles.
I play just 3 games. Tarkov, Apex legends, COD. all of these are CPU capped perforamnce boost is 3-5% to 1% low fps and framegraphs conserning frametime are much smoother.
Saving every bit of ressource on a rog Ally would be interesting. That should benefit heavily from a debloated win 11.
My computer is terrible I get under 60 FPS in minecraft java (on windows 10) could you test windows, 10 and 11 and tiny 11?
Im going to try tiny 11 on my x79 xeon build. I see some small cpu bottlenecks at 1080p maybe itll help. Maybe it wont. Woukd be nice to have a clean windows though
I was surprised that Tiny didn't outperform regular, but when you said that the games were all GPU-bound -- debloating Windows is not going to make your GPU run faster, so we really need a different suite if tests.
Even still, on a modern gaming system, the boat in windows is barely a blip on system utilization. I like to de-bloat on principle, but all the people running latest gen Ryzen or Intel systems on a super fast SSD's are deluding themselves that they're going to get some kind of major performance uplift.
WOW those are results I would not have expected. This just goes to show that the OS doesn't have the effect you would think. I guess I don't need to see in a cpu bound system. From these results I can't see that it will make any difference in a cpu bound system either.
So obv the point of Tiny 11 is to de bloat the avg windows install. My question is since usually for gaming pcs you bloat windows yourself in a way, does tiny 11 have more of an impact on performance with your own bloat vs windows 11 bloat plus personal bloat?
Yes please! A lot of us are running budget builds.
How can I contact you? I need assistance, I will pay! It's regarding the video you made called "Secure Boot Messed UP My Computer". I have 2 tasks, convert from MBR to GPT and also enable UEFI on my windows operator in order to be able to boot up in UEFI mode without losing any data.
One test you should do, since a lot of gamers are interested in it, is the difference in stuff like input lag between the 2 operating systems. I've seen a lot of people talk about doing debloated installs for that reason. It might benefit high polling rate mice for instance. Great videos btw, thanks for doing this kind of stuff.
Nope, just an urban legend.
I was going to make a tiny 11 iso. Now im not so sure. I would love to see the test again on a different system.
also, would love to see the CPU: Processes & Threads
Nah Man you should make your own debloated copy of iso or just clean install and debloat it heavily after installation
This guy is testing games which are story based and on 4k and on high end system which doesn't really affected by debloating.
When you test on budget systems on 1080p resolution with some serious competitive games like apex, valorant you'll get to know how these debloated system have huge improvement in game stability almost no stuttering good 0.1% fps and what not.
Yes we need to Know the Lowend System's Performance.
i freakin love your intro logo. simple but effective!
Glad you like it!
What if you just bought a used gaming laptop that’s a few years old so you can play with your GF at her house? Would debloating a model that’s a few years old help it? It runs pretty slow and the load times are atrocious. It does play the game I want it to, but starting up, and getting the game to load, or just doing normal things on the laptop is pretty bad.