INTROVERTED THINKING (Ti) EXPLAINED: 8 POSITIONS
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- INTROVERTED THINKING EXPLAINED based on its position in the cognitive stack.
In this video, we are talking about Ti (Introverted Thinking) based on where it is in the function stack.
1. Hero Ti (INTP, ISTP)
2. Parent Ti (ENTP, ESTP)
3. Child Ti (INFJ, ISFJ)
4. Inferior Ti (ENFJ, ESFJ)
5. Nemesis Ti (ENTJ, ESTJ)
6. Critic Ti (INTJ, ISTJ)
7. Trickster Ti (ENFP, ESFP)
8. Demon Ti (INFP, ISFP)
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What is your relationship with Ti? Share your thoughts below :)
Ti and Fi dipping into each other makes a lot of sense to me. When I was younger and depressed a lot, I felt a lot of difficult emotions and was still analyzing everything at the same time. Now that I’m healthy, I have much more difficulty accessing my Fi. I try to do it through sad music and sometimes it works too well and I have to change the music. ISTP
how to be a healthy Fi function user
what music are you listening to now
Great job with explaining the manifestation of Ti in different positions. Lofty topic & you did a good job covering it while maintaining the Ti accuracy. 🙂
Joyce Meng 🙏🏻
I find it very hard to separate Ti from Fi because I can think about my feelings and what is important to me in a very rational way to make a decision.
I think the goal of your "whole-idea" is to become a more balanced personality. So if that is the case, I have to say that it is very recommendable for each one to reflect about oneself and work on one's weaknesses. On the other hand being balanced is just another word for being boring or "characterless". The people we love are only lovable because they stand out from the crowd. Everybody being balanced would mean a very unhuman and indifferent world, but luckily we are very far away from something like that, so working on weakspots is a good thing (if that is your message)
I see your point. I am not only wondering about wholeness but also about what makes the psyche spin. Maybe things that we perceive as opposing are actually inherently connected. Jung reflects upon the idea that it is only our conscious mind that can grasp this “opposition” but to the unconscious, things might look differently. I find the closeness of opposing parts to be of great fascination to me.
@@INFJinxed
Like 0= 1 + ( -1)?
0 is the world and the two opposites 1 & - 1 is what our brains make of it?
Hans Peter that, and more.
@@INFJinxed you will probably tell us in one of your Videos 😋
Which type are you?
ISFP here, though for all I care I could be INFP too. Or INTP, or ISFJ, or INFJ. The more I learn about the cognitive functions the less relevant it seems to be to separate them.
I Ti analyse ideas, techniques and stories I encounter, but am Fi fine with liking or disliking stuff for no particular reason. I can come up with reasons for a lot of it, some of it not, and mostly I don't care to. I used to care because Ti reason seemed to be Fe expected, but after embracing Fi I stopped worrying about it.
My mind can be an Ni library constructed by Escher or dark theatre for any kind of performance, or an Ne mind map where if you follow the tangents far enough they'll loop back on themselves and can always be traced back to their origin.
Se is constantly running in the background and can't be turned off, Te is constantly battling for the right to make absolute statements without Ti-Ne-Fi interference.
Fi will have gut reactions to violated values. Ti will rationalise Fe values the Fi ignores.
Si... Si is busy cleaning up after everyone else and checking in with Se whenever one of its random alarms go off.
Well, this went... places.
It's late, and after finally settling on ISFP (and literally feeling something within myself solidify) it's driving me nuts that I'm inclined to start questioning my type again.
I do like your videos though.
Wow, I relate to all of this. I'm in the STEM field and am often good at picking out inconsistencies in the material I study. I imagine it's something similar to a trigger that violates Fi. It's easy for me to identify missing pieces of information in the logical framework I built as I learn, thus ask the right questions. And like you said, I don't care to use it much outside academic reasons. Not sure if it's Ti but a friend said they always thought I was a thinking type from the way I ask questions, when in fact I'm an ISFP. I also try to reason my Fi to arrive at an unbiased conclusion.
The only time I recognise myself using Ni is when predicting future events of a movie. It's uncanny. And then I would reason how I came to predict that. I definitely love exploring ideas and what-ifs, much like Ne I suppose. But I prefer going back to reality or I would have wasted the day in my head.
As for Te, I'm disciplined in work if it would affect others in a team, and even assume leadership roles. Yet all that vanishes when I'm accountable for only myself. It's a tragedy really, haha.
The Ti and Fi teaming up and their possible relationship has crossed my mind as well. Thinking and feeling is a married pair when you consider that putting feelings into thoughts and expressing them in language is something we have to do to learn how to speak. So why would the thought of them being disconnected be “out of the realm of possibilities?”
I would argue that there is a deep relationship with the two... it’s mastering the expression of the pair.
Quick example: my Fi is in the third slot. But I use my Te (2nd slot) to make sense of the relationship. My Fi gives me intrinsic value to why I have ethics and morals. If a personality type lacks Fi in their first four function slots, then how does that individual gain intrinsic reason to have values and a moral compass? I would argue that accessing your Ti to analyze and add value to your Fi is the key to a balanced and happy relationship/friendship. Fe and Te play a role on expressing those values and moral compass.
This is why I love breaking down functions... it encourages growth.
I had this similar thought, if I employed my Ti demon with (instead of against) my Fi hero maybe it would me articulate how i feel.
I agree to that ; because Fi is an identity preferance; «who am I , and what do I like , my inner value system, my inner values»
And on the other scale is Ti which is also a form of identity preferance ; «what is Logic for me, and How will this work for me; my inner reasons.»
And these two introverted preferances are combined in a whole balanced selfesteem identity energi ☺️
Ti doms value (Fi) their own reasons (logic)
Fi doms understand (Ti) their own values (feelings)
I like this!
B.s. word games:
Ti understands their own reasons.
Fi values their own feelings.
bla bla... Saying nothing.
@exnihilonihilfit6316 it's the connection Ti dominant types has to their unconscious Fi, and Fi dominant types has to their unconscious Ti.
Meaning : Ti values their own logic, and Fi understands their own values.
Not surprised you miss the point, maybe next time.
Fi and Ti are DEFINITELY similar. I see it as 2 sides of the same coin essentially. (Ti Dom here) The #1 difference is that Fi does what it does with meaning and "gut" feelings (obv) while Ti does it with "reasons". Logic is an overused word, but it's a type of logic. I truly believe that I'm doing exactly the same thing with Ti that Fi 1st/2nd slot users are doing with their Fi, it's just a slightly different shaped tool so it looks quite different to the outside world.
INFP here! I think that Fi and Ti are kind of used together. I regularly use Ti to model the system of my emotions. For example I ask myself "What is the reason that this thing makes me feel like this?" or "What part of this process makes me don't like the process" or "How is this feeling connected with that action?" or "Is it logical to feel that way about this?". In general, I would say that I use Ti to validate or dismiss my emotions, in order to keep the ones that are logical and make more sense and push through the rest of them. I see them as antagonizing functions rather than synergistic. An this brings the balance.
However, I am not sure if what I just described is Fi+Ti or just Fi. Maybe the definition of Fi that is "going deep on emotion" is making a model and evaluation your emotions. I don't know...
INFP here.
When I recognize how Fi and Ti are related, things become easier for me. When I need to exercise Te, I can extract motivation from self-definition. That is, my Ti is used as a method of feeding Te through Fi. If I define myself as x, then it follows that I must do the things that x does, regardless of how uncomfortable it may seem at first. In other words, Ti piggy backs on the ideals formed for the self in Fi so that Te execution can take place instead of merely doing what is part of Si routine or getting lost in Ne idea and perspective seeking.
If it is a situation where the INFP is stressed out or otherwise put under psychological duress, the most negative expression is acceptance of a negative definition of self. The negative definition of self, if accepted, leads to the potential execution of actions not consistent with the positive self that the INFP may have publicly asserted through other actions.
The INFP may also allow themselves to be taken advantage of through accepting a negative definition of self. They may ignore their Si personal needs and ignore Ne expressions in order to Te execute based on the Ni will of another person or group.
Ti is otherwise the source of blame when Te execution does not take place as The INFP believes it should. The solution is assumed to be that the systems are not fully understood and demand more research. The Ti information gathering isn’t executed with the same expertise as an INTP Or ISTJ. It’s done intuitively, making unwarranted and seemingly random leaps to find information that may or may not lead to real solutions.
This, of course, is based on my personal experiences and your mileage may vary.
Should I feel like an alien if I actually understood that? Because it makes sense the Ti would manifest in a negative fashion within the INFP we don’t prefer this path, we’d prefer Fi and Ne, Te if we must.
Another great video!! So relatible and what I have been thinking for years but could never put it into words. Thank you!!
Mellow Yellow ❤️🙏🏻
Ti is my 8th function, and it's so completely alien to me. Whenever I try to access it I think I only end up mimicking it.
I think, fi helps infps and isfps to know what they like or don't like while ti helps them to actually see what is good and bad for their selfs without any biases of fi, which ultimately helps to make good decisions. ( Infp)
Infps can often use a lot of Ti, but usually to better help them understand their Fi, and psychology, existential matters that are relevant to it.They will be much less interested in using/transferring it to other areas, probably often much less capable, certainly that's the case with me. This contrasts with high Ti users who will usually but not always be much more inclined to use it for matters outside the self, enjoy using it for developing and exploring their own logical frameworks, systems in other areas.
Wow! Thank you for explaining how TI can show up in each position. As an FI dom I definitely highly respect TI doms, and I can understand the possibility of looping between FI-Ti, as from time to time I see myself analyzing and reasoning on the logic behind a thought, feeling, or decision. What is it based on? what are the facts, not assumptions...i'm not sure if that is the same, that's why I say, I can certainly see how FI can respect TI, at least that is the case for me - ISFP
I really like these videos. It is helping me understand a lot! :)
Lisha Yost glad to know!
I really like that there is a breakdown of how the functions work across the stack. It's interesting. Fi completing Ti ... It really depends on how it manifests. Personally, I just take issue when there is so much drama that appears to have no explainable source being directed at others; that is, when it's being used in a disagreeable way. But I think there is a loop that can be created because they are just different outcomes of the same "type" of function. Introverted judging. Ti I believe is more consolidating in its approach, using sources to hone in on the best way to see the truth of it - and it tends to be the case that logic is the most practicable tool to accomplish this... But it's not ALWAYS logic. As much as it would make sense for it to be. This is when it's unfinished or incomplete with something. For Fi (for which I'm not a first hand expert, but I'll assume), you will feel a cluster of associations that are perceived all at once, and this is confusing unless you learn to accept it and draw inspiration from it. Which I'm sure an Fi user does. So for Ti: instead of exporting to draw from these other information sources, you learn to pause and observe the motivation behind the origin of the Ti and not trigger into a need for incorporating and consolidating. The motive should have this Fi cluster of feelings... It may work better in some circumstances more than others. Particularly when Ti is being challenged I think. Because the path of thought hasn't been automated into one dedication. If that makes sense. And yeah, I can see why that would make someone more complete.
I will say... It tends not to be this way when I attempt to understand Fi. I usually have to from Ne to Fe to Fi. I see associations and draw a feeling from them, and then remember or consider that cluster in my mind privately.
If Ti dom go deeper into their Fi it will manifest in a great wholesome of understanding.. same as with Fi dom going deeper into their Ti..
Shalom. Toda Raba. A very well done video. I subscribed. I picked up a deeper understanding of my Ti.
Thank you! Happy to know that!
two years late, but here we go
Fi and Ti both govern sense of self, especially when in comparison that Fe and Te are sense of community.
The difference of Fi and Ti is if the drive mainly comes from limbic system or prefrontal cortex (either way it spreads to each other, because brain always work integrated-ly when doing anything)
These last few months a coach helped me create a checklist for work/entrepreneurial ideas and opportunities. As an nfp (omnivert I guess, i or e depending on what you look at) I was drowning in all the possibilities I had and how enthousiastic I can be about any new ideas and prospects. My Fi is normally very clear on what suits me and what not, but in this phase/situation my sense of self was leaving me with too broad an interest. Digging into my values, talents and preferences (Ni) and using that to create a checklist/logic for assessing future options (Ti) was extremely helpful, and helps me be even more sensitive of my feelings and needs.
Thanks for these insightful videos, they are very helpful to me in interpreting this model for personality types and cognitive tendencies!
@@SylviaNorah I am happy to know that!
nice video, good content, well structured, keep the good work... the last question reminds me the work of António Damásio, there is no inteligence without felling/ emotion/ FI :)
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Thank you for sharing this video, I completely agree with what you have said. I am an INFJ as well.
Wonderful!
Ti dom wants to understand why they feel(Fi) the way they do -INTP
I'm a Ti-Fi dom and it's awesome! It allows me to be personable to basically anyone.
The Fi smooths off the Ti so it doesn't come off as "nerdy". It can be more tactile and tailored for each individual. The Ti doesn't allow my feelings to get the best of me as it has to understand what these feelings are in context.
The only Con (if it even is that) is when I'm blunt, I'm righteously blunt lol. Meaning, that if the Ti is correct the Fi also knows it is correct and it becomes a double-whammy of bluntness. Also, you may be very non-communicative because you spend so much time internally gathering information. But, you will know how people and things work equally.
Always thought one could train Ti through studying math/science etc...
I always thought so too but not sure how true. I'm an ISFP in the STEM field and I feel as though I use my Fi way to understand the material I study so it looks a little like Ti to me.
You can train it with any field: philosophy, psychology, sociology,... gender studies 😆
Love my Ti hero! - INTP
Thanks for the interesting video. I get typed as an INFP all the time, but I value logic alot, and analyze things all the time based on logical reasoning. I'm a successful software engineer too.
Maybe I got mistyped and actually am an INTP, or maybe that's a case where Fi and Ti teams up?
Demonic Ti makes me extremely violent that i worry i might hurt people really bad
No, that's your childhood in hell, among devils, doing it. Not "functions".
Don't give the devils an easy out - that's their desire.
Start listening to philosopher Stefan Molyneux's podcast. Especially the call-in shows with listeners where they go in depth into their childhoods.
It’s who I am, at my core. Some people have compared me to a robot but the conclusion is logical, that’s all that matters. INTP.
Let me know if this sounds right. It seems Ti is an analyst function, so if I have correct , Ti could be employed to analyze the Fi authenticity. But are Ti and Fi both judging functions?
I wouldn't say doing logic puzzles is necessarily only correlated with Ti and that Fe dominants are necessarily having problems with it. Any type can do logic puzzles and might be natural at it after all, if we're thinking about Fe dom's having Ni-Se/Si-Ne axis in the middle. The ability differs from person to person and/or what their capability of learning/adapting to situations are which might be regarded as an indicator of intelligence that's not type related - even if there is a correlation according to the studies. (Or we might consider it as iNtuition in general.)
You can also be quite comfortable using your inferior function according to the theory, it's just the opposite of what you prefer naturally, but it complements that nonetheless. Child function helps you collect your thoughts and lets you feel in control - since in our daily lives we are using our parent function to stabilize the tertiary. (meanwhile on that focus the trickster completely gets missed by us) Your last function is treated sort of like a mission I would say - that brings joy when fulfilled , therefore called "The Anima". All that said, thanks for your efforts in making the video! Seeing an in-depth video of how different information elements might act in the cognitive stack has reinforced my view. :) - ENFJ 7w8
The truth is a huge issue for me as an INTP. I feel like certain social contagions have caused many people to become delusional and push lies onto children in schools and onto all of society as a whole and even pass laws based upon these lies. It makes me so upset I actually get suicidal occasionally not to get into tmi. I just really really hate liars and I hate how I feel like I live in a world full of liars. The sad part is I can’t even tell you what I think this lie is because I’m scared I’ll get harassed for pointing out the truth. As anyone who points out the truth I speak of (especially women) revive death threats and get fired from their jobs. So I don’t feel safe to even speak the truth as speaking the truth as almost become unofficially illegal. Although it’s become literally illegal to speak it in Canada Ireland and England :(
I think u're fi te
@@chossenone730 I’m not. I get emotional over it because it is lies and it goes against logic and reason. I can’t stand illogical people and unreasonable things. I can see where you think this is Fi. But I agree with OP that Ti and Fi actually work together. You use your Ti to build your moral framework. And for me I am bothered most by liars. More then anything. That is because I am a Ti dom and I spend so much time trying to work things thru and build a logical framework that when that logic is questioned only based upon someone’s irrational feelings it infuriates me. Which is what is happening. And it is happening at such an extreme level that it stresses me out a lot. If I were an Fi dom I’d probably be able to emotionally handle it a lot better and deal with my own emotions regarding this more. I wish I were Fi dom. That would make my life easier and less stressful.
Do you listen to Stefan Molyneux's podcast? If not, start.
Have you discovered Objectivism? If not, discover it. Start with the novel "Atlas Shrugged".
The dominant and auxiliary function of Ti seems like the same to me I’m still confused help
Thank you 🙏
I was kind of having a crisis with my type since I took a lot of CF tests and my highest cognitive functions were Ni and Ti (INFJ here)
I was wondering if I was mistyped or if I was stuck in a loop, but then I realized I just developed/am developing it
Again, ty
My results are similar, but I don't have Fe developed enough (it's my worst function) to call myself INFJ, i am probably INTJ.
You look like Robin from How I met you mother show.
all my life felt like a antipathic robot, but I am starting to see the importance of Fi
What's "antipathic"?
Did you mean "antipathetic"?
You’re so cute, are you an INFJ? Wanted to say hi!! 🙋♀️❤️ I’m Ne dominant and I’m learning about other functions, love your explanation! 👌
Hello! I enjoy your videos a lot. I’m ENFP and trying to understand my TI better. Would you be willing to give specific examples of how ENFPs and ESFPs use this function to manipulate or over step other’s boundaries? I think I can see this in myself but it’s still not totally clear. Thank you!
The ENFP's functions are Ne-Fi Te-Si so an ENFP wouldn't use often.
@@theguy4292 yes, I know Ti is not in my dominant stack. I thought she said that an ENFP can use it as a way to manipulate. When I think of “manipulating”, I think of it as something we do mostly subconsciously, when we can’t access the proper skills/resources to get our needs met, but the subconscious, as a “needs meeting machine” keeps trying.
So I’m definitely never thinking “how can I use my Ti to get what I want right now?” I don’t know my Ti well enough to do that, let alone do it skillfully!
Anyway, I have gotten some useful feedback from people close to me about how both my Te and Ti can come across in ways that don’t feel good. So now I’m more aware and working on it.
@@heartpoint5289 Interesting insight. I guess for me the Ti is also in my shadow stack in the criticism role. Do you have any resources that an INTJ can use to understand his own Shadow type?
@@theguy4292 hmmm. I really like Harry’s channel, it’s called Cognitive Personality Theory. I think it’s brilliant, but he doesn’t ascribe to the 8 model stack so wouldn’t speak to the shadow in that particular way. But he has some good INTJ videos.
I am a Coach, and was formerly a Psychotherapist (but didn’t like being in the medical model/insurance framework). I use the Cognitive Functions and other modalities in combination to help people realize their full potential (which of course includes shadow work).
@@theguy4292 And, with my INTJ clients I have found developing Fi to be a really powerful process.
i got love/hate with Ti i kind of drink coffee and crash into Ti land (the colors, that thing where the red tail lights on cars look sharper). It's lovely because I would write out my University essays and problems sets. And then you are rewarded. Your professors tell you have written an advanced essay. And also you get high score on the take home final. Then I feel like I have done something wrong ... It's not my normal state. And worse it pulls me out of my normal state. But your professor is impressed by what it can do. Really I know it just translates the Ni image to words/concepts. ( i think the Ti dominants say INTP are bored with their Ti it just spins around, and as Jung says gives evidence of ...it's own existence :( )
kinderlich love this way of putting it!
Ti is base function of J types. As it's J function. Leading Ti have I*TJ types. If you want to understand Jung's typology better look at Socionics function model which is more correct than used in MBTI related texts. Ti is about logical links between facts and objects. For example, about categories to which known facts (Te) relate. While INFJ have leading Fi and secondary Ne, but not Ni-Fe. Socionics have 8 functions tests, you may try them to see what functions you prefer - Fi or Fe, Ne or Ni. Check the16types forum, its typing section should point on such tests. It may be enough to do those tests to understand your correct prefering functions and such to get more interest to Socionics.
ti doms are ixtp types
Se studiaza in facultate asa ceva sau pe cont propriu? Poti sa mi recomanzi te rog cateva carti de referinta care sa ma ajute sa inteleg personalitatile mai " in depth" sa zic asa. Mersi fain. Si as vrea sa stiu daca inca esti in Romania sau in alta tara?. 😘
La facultate nu atat de mult, mai de graba pe cont propriu. Iti pot recomanda: "Psychological Types" (C.G. Jung), "Please Understand Me" (David Keirsey), "Energies and Patterns in Psychological Types" (J. Beebe), "The Neuroscience pf Personality" (D. Nardi). Eu locuiesc in Germania acum. :)
multumesc si succes in continuare
Demon Ti 10:33
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