The Mk I Martini-Henry and the Mk I Lee-Metford: Rate of Fire Comparison
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Maybe it’s just your backyard. But I really appreciate you filming out in the “environment” vs at a typical range. It adds to the the whole ambience that makes these videos so enjoyable above and beyond the history and shooting. And that fog shrouded mountainside is gorgeous.
Glad you approve! Cheers.
Indeed he is one lucky trooper.
0:38 Lol I've never heard the word "French" said with such disdain
Admiral Percy I thought he was quite restrained!
Admiral Percy I noticed that as well!
Well you obviously don't watch squires channel.....
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Admiral Percy He's a British bloke who usually plays war games, and is known mainly for mocking the French. Its good stuff.
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A bit wet that day, but yes...
your accent is so magnificently canadian it's the best part of this channel
Accent? I don'thave an accent,..... YOU have the accent.... :-)
Where do you live in Ontario? I would love to do a video on you Im extremely Intersted in Anglo Saxon history
What are you talking aboot, eh?
You better say your soory bud.
@@johnconnor478 by the scenery and the fact he mentioned Victoria he his probably from the island of victoria in british columbia!
Extremely high quality, felt like the golden age of the history channel!
Glad you enjoyed it! Cheers.
Love your work as always. Did you realise you got a shout out by Ian from Forgotten Weapons and Bloke on the range? It's good to see you getting some well deserved mentions by some honourable sources!
Thank you!,.... yes, I had some pals let me know. Very appreciative, of course.
Love the editing, which must take longer than the actual shooting. If, you don't count cleaning weapons, or BP brass washing, baking, tumbling, and reloading!
Editing definitely takes the lions share of time.... Labour of love, I suppose... :-) Thanks Mark!
Very well said!
I'm sure that the reloading work barely makes a note compared to the editing. Most of the reloading time is spent watching the equipment run. Set it and forget it, really.
I love how all the CZcams channels are starting to get together: really making this community that much stronger.
It is certainly a fun thing to do, collabs....
@@britishmuzzleloaders
Well, for what it's worth, I'm here because Othias said so. Turns out he was right, this is a great channel. Just subscribed. Excellent content.
Well filmed, informative, to the point and good shooting. What's not to like?
Cheers
Glad that you enjoyed it!
As Othais would say:
"AH F*CK, THE FRENCH!"
I couldn't help but remember that line... :-)
It's a classic for all time.
borekfk it was perfectly timed.
Firearms advancement however.
One learns a great deal from watching these videos. Thank you, Britishmuzzleloaders!
Glad to hear!
As always Rob, top notch good sir.
Thanks Kurt!
britishmuzzleloaders do you ever worry that black powder will burn your astonishing mustache off (greetings from Ireland)
Thank you. Always interesting and informative.
You are welcome!
A gem of CZcams. Rain or shine your work is stellar. An honest and vivid reflection of history. Thank you for posting.
Thank you very much. Glad you enjoyed it!
A very well produced video, informative and fun. Thank you.
Thank you very much!
This is the best channel on CZcams.
WOW really enjoyed this,like how you got the uniforms time period accurate.
Glad you did! Thanks.
Dude is a craftsmen in every way. Love it!!!
Excellent job gentleman ... top notch !
Lloyd outdid himself .
His narrative over the sound of the battle in the background brought to stark reality the scene , I could almost feel the rifle in my hands , and smell the smoke , hear the ululating cry of the enemy as they rushed the line .
Steady on !
Load and fire , load and fire .
Incidentally , I took my first deer , at the age of eight , with a SMLE , .303 caliber .
Excellent rifle .
I love your videos. Very concise and thorough. Quite well-presented. Bravo!
Glad to hear! Thanks!
Thanks for the awesome video!!!
You are welcome.
Great stuff! You are an expert rifleman- the smoothness and precision of your weapon management is first class. Clear voice. And you make it very fun! Thanks!!!! JF
Thanks Jason!
Love the channel, lots of hard work, research, humor and presentation skills. Exceptionally informative and educational, thanks
Thank you!
Great video Rob! Man I tell ya, every time I watch a new video of yours, I'm always pleasantly surprised by the progression of the editing and every increasing zeal. Keep it up! Top shelf stuff, museum class!
Thanks Matt! I am trying.
Well done Rob and Lloyd! :D
Thank you and thanks to Lloyd!
Finally a new video! In other thoughts, can we get this man a history channel series? Next after pawn stars, British arms with Lieutenant colonel Scotty Epicstache. I'd love it.
Thanks!
Thanks - I always look forward to your videos!
You are most welcome.
Just found your channel, the effort is palpable, and i love your presentation style
Glad you find it interesting. Cheers.
I also love watching lindybiege, you two are some of the few beacons of light on this site filled with mostly rubbish. Thanks for all the effort you put into these wonderfull videos.
You are most welcome. Thank you for your kind words!
Two other people to watch: "Forgotten Weapons" and "Bloke on the Range." Not exactly the same as this show, but very good presenters about the history and usage of Firearms.
The Captain god dag
Lindybiege is a disheveled man child with a dungeons and dragons mindset
Lindybeige is the most biased individual out here. This gentleman right here is objective and factual.
Another excellent video. Interesting to note that even the Lee-Metford exceeds the German WWII estimate of what to expect when facing bolt action rifles.
Thanks!
Lee Enfield and Lee Medford rifles have just about the smoothest actions of any bolt action military rifles, I wouldn't feel uncomfortable taking them into a fight even now.
What were the German estimates?
@@thitsugaya1224 they are a bit obsolete by nowadays tactics.
Sad, to say the least.
Another incredibly informative video. Thank you for sharing !
You are most welcome.
Mate, i love your channels mix of irreverent humour and factual accuracy in a quasi-focumentary package. Top job marra.
Thank you!
Excellent as always. And two youtube powers unite!
Thanks!
Who's the heathen who down voted this video?
Anti-gun Bot voter....We just had the same discussion on Ian's (Forgotten Weapons) channel. He'll have 9 or 10 down votes within 5 minutes of publishing a video.
'Twas not I
Probably a damned frenchman, or praps a boer whos ancestors felt the lash that was the various Lee iterations...
End em rightly i say, unscrewing pommel byyyyy the numberrrrs......waaaait for ittttt....
Well the Boer's did get the last laugh seeing as The majority white South Africans are Afrikkaners. lol
oh boy your videos are so wonderful. don't know how to say how I like them. thank you so much
Glad to hear!
Quality, watchable, well edited and produced. Well done
Thank you.
Excellent!!!
Cheers!
That's excellent grouping patterns for 100yds !
This kind of video is kind of "historico-scientific" because it clearly show the powercreep of service weapons in the beginning of the XXth century !
Now, imagine how "self-loading", semi-automatic rifles and even machine guns should have scared the troops on the field !
We went from one shot a minute to one every ten seconds
Then, nearly a shot every seconds
To now, 800 shots a minute and even more !
Now you can imagine the amount of firepower each soldier have in his hands !
Glad you enjoyed it!
Man I must watch the same list. I love this channel, Lloyd's, and the Bloke on the range!
They are all really good Channels.
One of the best episodes yet.. Well done.
Cheers!
Excellent
Cheers.
When the British tried to convert to magazine loading with Martini Henry
Heath Robinson (not sure if I spelled that right) made one that was attached to the side of the Martini Henry
When cocked down, the cartridge dropped into the barrel and you were able to cock it back.
An interesting but quite unsuitable gimmick, that was... very clever though!
Love your channel my friend. Your videos are so detailed and informative.
Respect from the UK 🇬🇧
Cheers!
How did I miss this one? Superb.
200 years later and we are in Afghanistan to protect the Royal Opium fields.
The more things change, the more things stay the same.
Not anymore.
My first reenactment is in 6 days Oct 27-29 Battle of Leatherwood can't wait!!!
Have fun!
Outstanding content from an outstanding channel. Thanks for posting!
Thank you!
Since I am working on a new account of the 1897-98 Pathan Rising I found this documentary most useful. Thank you for uploading !
Glad it was helpful! Cheers! A specific aspect or something along the lines of Mark Simner's book?
Never would have recognized Lloyds voice if you hadn't pointed it out.
He was doing a "Churchillian" accent, of course... :-)
Magazine cutoff features.
*GOD SAVE THE QUEEN INTENSIFIES!*
Haha!
Another home run. You have some of the best content on the web.
Thank you kindly!
Fab episode, love the background history how the addition of a magazine changed future engagements. Look forward as a concurrent activity reading the books identified in the episode.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Occasionally antique military imports has Lee metfords, for sale for 500 and 600 dollars.
Lol imagine hunting along n this chap hops out sporting his out fit n Martini
Time to run.
A man of culture.
You are above dapper.
Absolute perfection, how you handle these weapons.
Just like watching melting butter flow I get the same feeling when i watch you handle these guns.
Haha! Thanks!
Absolutely bloody fantastic. History brought to life, and so well presented. Thanks again :)
Thank you Gavin!
If I was a movie producer and needed an adviser/movie costume supervisor, you would be my pick, However, I couldn't offer you a cameo in the production, Maybe I could if you could accept that the movie has to stay on budget and authentic garments and equipment must be substituted. it doesn't matter if it was WW-2, the Great war or the conquest of India you would be a valuable asset to the filming of such productions.
Thank you! I think that might be an interesting project, should something like that ever come up.
They should be compared in a 24 round pattern including 2 reloads of the magazine.
Another enjoyable and informative video, professionally rendered; thanks! I'm impressed at your ability to narrate whilst with ear protection in place. When working in my shop wearing ear muffs, I find I have to flip one side off or I sound too strange to myself. Could just be me.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks.
So cool, awesome real time backdrop with the smoke and mountain too.
Glad you enjoyed it
It would be nice if the gunmaker Rossi would revive the Martini line of rifles.:)
Or just go and get an original...
Standing in the rain, like an Imperial Soldier. I want to cry the Union Jack looking at this.
Rain?... That wasn't rain,..... :-)
Great video and probably the third time I have watched it. I enjoy seeing these evolutionary comparison videos.
Cheers!
Very helpful demonstration and examination! Useful research for a writing project involving these weapons.
Great to hear!
Grade A content.
Thanks!
I'm Spaniard and not an expert on English accents but judging buy the way you speak and that rear mountain you are in Canada, aren't you? Maybe in Scottland there are mountains but I understand you well so you must not be Scottish ;-)
He is in British Columbia,Canada.
Thank you for your efforts, Sir. I salute you!
Thank you for your kind words!
Sir, I discovered your channel today after watching "Zulu". I am not disappointed. Subscribed, from an Argie in exile! Godspeed!
Thank you!
59 heathens who down thumbed the video.... Let's pray..
Shame Lindybeige doesn't know what he's on about 90% of the time
I think he gives a quite broad range of information that other channels, like this, can go more in-depth upon. He's a terrific lad.
It would be fine if he just gave surface level information about a wide range of historical stuff, but the majority of the time he just gives out disinfo and repeats incorrect rumours and historical myths, especially involving modern history and firearms, just look at the absolute shitshow that his "bren vs spandau" video was. He should either get better knowledge of what he speaks about, or focus on what he knows already.
He did a great Churchill!
Yeah, I can give him that.
Bomber Harris the thing with that video is that if you actually listen to what he said, his use of language being fairly nuanced, he didnt actually say anything that was wrong or even controversial. All he really said was that because of the operational similarity he will call the MG-34/42 the spandau out of simplicity and british historicalness (cannot believe how much of shit storm that created, he explained his reasoning in the video, and honestly I just rolled with it because I knew what guns he was talking about etc etc.) that the Bren gets a hard rap because it isnt belt fed but it is execllent assault weapon but because of the lack of belt it can be a bit eh on the defence, whereas the MG34/42 is the best machince gun of the war in defence but a bit of pig in assault. He wrapped the video up by saying they are almost too different compare and honestly they were execllent guns.
And queue two years of moaning.
Awesome video with a lot of interesting information! great channel.
Thank you!
Here visiting at the recommendation of Forgotten Weapons. Great presentation. Looking forward to watching more of your videos. Subscribed.
Welcome! Thank you for the subby!
Martini op plz nerf
Emil Hajbert lol I hate that on BF1
Emil Hajbert. "This 15% fire rate buff is totally OP, British Bias! And loot crates are filled with bushy moustaches and tea, it's nothing but a pay to win for whichever nation can pay for the largest navy!"
This is fake. They didn't use yellow sponge earplugs in 1883.
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No amount of talk equals a service like display.for getting the point across. Thanks again.
Cheers!
Love your job Mr. Rob!
Thank you!
Rob, your videos make me want to visit Alberta. Absolutely stunning landscape.
Alberta is nice, but BC is better!... :-)
New subscriber! I happened on your channel today and love it! Thank you for the history and firearms insight! Very cool!
Thank you! Thanks for the subby!
The difference in felt recoil could easily be seen! Very informative video, as always. Thank you.
The Martini certainly thumps a bit, yes. Cheers!
Another fascinatinting . And well made presentation
Thanks Oliver.
Thank you for your interesting videos!
You are welcome!
Thanks for filming. Rain sucks with all the cleaning!
All in a days work... 🙂
I adore our overseas supporters, you’re precious to this sceptred isle. Keep up the great work.
Cheers!
Arrived to your channel by 9-Hole reviews. Enjoying all of your content!
Welcome! Glad the Channel has been to your liking!
Quality videos, keep up the good work.
Thanks Ryan.
Another excellent video. Many thanks.
Thank you!
Thanks once again Rob. Fascinating vid - science and learning all in one.
Mad coincidence - I started reading The Malakand Field Force a few weeks ago. Excellent book. I always thought Churchill would write pretty dry prose but its a great book full of stirring stuff, derring do, and fascinating facts all laced with military stats.
Keep up the great work mate....you, Lindy, Bloke and Forgotten Weapons are my fave creators.
Thank you very much. Have you read "The River War"?
Not yet mate, but as Im mad keen on the Mahdi Wars Im looking forward to it. It sounds mad but Im saving it till I can get my hands on a first edition copy, as Ive found out that large sections of the original edition text were culled so as to remove all the bad stuff Churchill wrote about Kitchener under request from the publishers prior to WW1 starting as it was seen as "bad form" to criticise one of the blokes leading Blighty against the Fritz and then died in service. The version now in common circulation is the much abridged text.... a first edition set comes as two thick volumes packed with maps and diagrams.
Its not cheap, but affordable if you keep an eye on auctions ;-)
Im surprised at how readable Churchill is.....I honestly thought it would be very dry reading, but he has a wonderful way of putting the reader right in the firing line or location with his vivid descriptions, and is never slow to heap praise on men who deserved it. Makes me more interested in why he thought Kitchener was a poor leader in the Sudan campaign.
I like collecting stuff that goes with my guns like original history books - picked up a first edition set of Napiers "The Peninsula War" recently for a bargain price, and a couple of other long out of print books on the Napoleonic War written by soldiers on their return. They make for fascinating reading as they contain a load of detail about mundane camp life and footsoldier level observations..... in a way doing what you do on your channel.....which is why Im a fan mate.
There must be something antifreeze in your Canuck blood tho mate. Us normies would be wearing a greatcoat in that rain and wind.
Best of luck finding it! Sounds like a worthwhile pursuit!
Lovely job Rob. Thank you. I suspect the easiest way they could have sped up the Martini ROF would have been a pouch that presented the rounds individually. I borrowed a 20 bore butt stock slip on set of cartridge loops for five rounds. Halved the time to load a fresh round and less awkward than the Enfield Martini trial metal magazine on the receiver. Ready use clips fixed to the stock were being offered for single shot military rifles like the Metcalfe Patent Cartridge Block.
Good points all! Cheers!
I own the only number 1 mark lll* Lee Metford in existence, anywhere on earth. I bought it in 2019 for the equivalent of USD170, it is a 1941 BSA Lee Enfield, but it is registered on the central firearms register as a Lee Metford. I did not take the trouble to change it, in SA it will probably take years. It shoots as well as any Lee Enfield though, I love it.
Interesting!
Your mustache has won the internet. This is a great video.
Haha! Cheers!
Hah, you pulled that bolt faster than I've seen in any animation in that game I frequently play! Good stuff!
Real life is not video games.... 😀
@@britishmuzzleloaders yes, and I have often been fooled to believe that everything in video games is exaggerated (including the speed of operating a firearm) but it isn't the case this time! It's a lot faster with the real thing and I would say it looks quite satisfying to operate
The martini is one of my favorite guns awesome video!
Cheers!
I found this video quite relaxing
Glad you enjoyed it!
I have fired clean martini s and clean trapdoor about 8.to 9 out of the trapdoor and 10 out of the martini. This was with drawn brass cartridges with wrapped brass they often jammed but more so with the trapdoor thin ejector.
A day on the range is not complete unless it rains. That and range stew. Loved the video... Informative and a pantomime.
Thanks! Tends to do a lot of that around there...
Excellent Video... Enjoyed the historical aspect all the way around .. especially the uniform dress and "drill" during presentation of the rifles. By the way, Riflechair turned me onto your channel...
Welcome along! And thanks to Riflechair for the reference.!
Ah, I see that you're not dead (metaphorically speaking, of course)! I must admit, I've yet to see another channel with such level of classiness and gloriousness. Keep up the good work, and all the best to you in life, sir!
Dead?.... Why-ever would you have assumed that? (even metaphorically).....Thanks for the kind words!
Oh, I think CZcams did something stupid on its side, because for the love of me I could not see your new vids in my feed and was pretty sure you just suddenly stopped posting. I've rectified what caused that now.
It looks beautiful where you are at!!
It is! :-)
Lindybeige and British Muzzleloaders in one video? This has turned into a very good day! And yes I’m late to the party, I was out of the country at the time haha.
Not a problem. Thanks for watching!
Your videos are quite simply wonderful. Thank you! I have to think that if you had lived during that age, such as the Boer War, and served in HM forces, you would have been a stand-out leader and survivor
Haha! Glad you enjoy the Channel! Cheers.