Elden Ring DLC Shadow Of The Erdtree Story Trailer Breakdown 〜 Everything You Missed!
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The new Elden Ring DLC Shadow Of The Erdtree Story Trailer JUST dropped and we are going to be delving into Everything You Missed! Hope you all enjoy it! IM SO GOD DAMN HYPEDDDDDDDDDD!
Elden Ring's DLC is shaping up to be one of the most hyped DLC's EVER and I'm not surprised at all! Fromsoftware is genius at storytelling and this DLC starting my boy Messmer and Miquella seems to be a prime example of that!
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Most of the events of Elden Ring and due to the of Queen Marika the Eternal and her Demi-god offspring's, Ranni, Rykard, Radhn,
Godwyn the golden, Malenia and her scarlet rot and Miquella the unalloyed/ saint Trina,
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Elden Ring is set in a dark fantasy world called the "Lands Between." The world was created by the Elden Ring, a powerful object that has been shattered, leading to chaos and turmoil. Players assume the role of the "Tarnished," a character who has been exiled and embarks on a quest to restore the Elden Ring and bring order to the world.
The game features a diverse cast of characters, including gods, giants, dragons, and other mysterious beings, each with their own motives and agendas.
Elden Ring is known for its intentionally cryptic and enigmatic storytelling style, where much of the lore is left open to interpretation and speculation. Players need to piece together clues, engage in speculative discussions with the community, and make their own interpretations to fully understand the lore of Elden Ring and its intricacies.
Elden Ring is also an action role-playing game played in a third-person perspective with gameplay focusing on combat and exploration; it features elements similar to those found in other games developed by FromSoftware, such as the Souls series, Bloodborne, and Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice. Director Hidetaka Miyazaki explained that players start with a linear opening but eventually progress to freely explore the Lands Between, including its six main areas, as well as castles, fortresses, and catacombs scattered throughout the open world map. These main areas are interconnected through a central hub that players can access later in the game's progression-similar to Firelink Shrine from Dark Souls-and are explorable using the character's mount as the main mode of transport, although a fast travel system is an available option. - Hry
I'm honestly blown away, this trailer has so many secrets. I'm so god damn hyped, are you all as well? Hope you all enjoy and are having a great day! If you do enjoy the video please consider leaving a like and subscribe as it greatly helps the channel!
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In that scene, Marika was stepping into the Erdtree. The opening looks the same. The Erdtree has a lining of gold around it. The Ertree roots always have bodies embedded in them. The Erdtree is made up of bodies, possibly from the war in the land of shadows. The bodies are concealed with Marika's gold.
Wouldnt it be so cool if we beat the dlc and the erdtree just turns into a pile of corpse!
Heres my lore theory. The betrayal is Marika betraying the previous god of the world. Seduction and then killing it in its moment of weakness to consume the essence of the elden ring to be come the next god. And Messmer could be an amalgamation type of character. Perhaps he's made from the union between Marika and this god and is also influenced by the creation of Radagon during Marika's ascension. And from a union of two gods, Messmer becomes basically the ...anti-thesis of the coming age. Able to use fire, associated with serpents.
I really think this theory! I know everything we're told about Messmer is evil, but ive just got this gut feeling theres so much more to him!
This is my thought as well! My tinfoil add ons are that the previous god/lord was the gloam eyed queen... and Marika used Radagon to seduce them and birth Messmer - main reason being the very draconic/snake like appearance of godskins (related to GEQ), also his fire and the impaling he does is very death-like.. (plus red hair)... Also used this union to create the mending rune in the GEQ, like Fia, before Marika took it (after using Maliketh and sealing death) to create the golden order
@@theemeraldgecko310Ima be honest, there is nothing that could make Messmer seem “good”.
@@mrpoto8764this is so batshit insane
Probably not detriax but a guy can wish lmao
Yeah, that scene with Marika holding the hair/rune. Look at her hair. They're shifting to red already. And the masculine back...
I wont lie, I thought I was tripping. This could still play into the theory though! Maybe this was the moment the "shadow" was born?
Omg I thought I was tripping too. When I first watched the scene I was like damn that’s a really masculine back she has she be doing presses. 😂
my guess is that golden/red hair and masculine body depict radagon being born as marika was ascending to godhood. perhaps greater will knew marika couldn’t be trusted and created radagon to keep her under control.
@@blamepluto7308 That’s a great point. After all if Marika seduced and betrayed the god of the shadow land as most people are assuming, I can see the Greater Will being like “she is powerful, but she cannot be trusted.”
So glad someone else saw this as well!
Saw a few others fighting that no way it was radagon but I think it is but he still has Marikas hair color ( doesn't he get cursed later for it to turn red? )
I think she is turning into Radagon but the lighting makes the hair look red
So Marika was a culture vulture who used her son's battle prowess to usurp, and oppress an entire Land while she fled and he held them down?
I think so, pretty much summed it up In one compound sentence lmfao
Haha well I do have more theories... Please tell me what you think.
With the Dancing Dragon type thing, it got me thinking...
Tanith was a dancer from a far away land. Maybe she came to the Lands Between knowing what Marika had done to her home, and she wanted to create an uprising of Recusant Fingers to take back what Marika stole from the Land of Shadow.
When you look at Rykard with all the hands poking out (also the Blasphemous Blade), it looks like all the arms and hands we see poking out of the split tree in this trailer right?
@@stefanjackson1127 I think you're onto something! I really do think Tanith is from the land of shadows, I think that person in the trailer makes that even more likely along with the lion! To add onto you're theory, there's also the dancing movesets In the other trailer!!
Im not sure dude! Its been a long time since I've looked at Rykards hands, can I get back to you on that one?
Yeah, I know previous From games have mentioned characters who come from lands we never visit, but Patches gives us the Castanets to give to her... For what? I believe it's a nod to something more because it would be a useless item otherwise, despite Patches being a troll.
During the Lord of Blasphemy half of the Rykard fight, all manner of visceral arms and hands protrude from him like we see in the split tree. They're also on the Blasphemous Blade itself... I think Volcano Manor has strong connections to what's going on
I think when the narrator says that Miquella abandoned her fate when showing st. trina, tells how all emperyans are fated to transition to a different identity. This makes more sense when you consider that Ranni wanted to rid herself of her emperyan flesh in order to rid herself of this fact. This can also explain the relationship between Marika and Radagon. Perhaps Marika was transitioning to Radagon until she was trapped in the erdtree and also why we fight radagon and not marika. Milicent also mentions how she removed the golden needle in order to kill herself in order to prevent herself from blooming into a rot valkyrie. We also see Malenia go through this transition into the rot goddess. So Maybe when miquella divested himself of his flesh, he also prevented himself from fully transitioning into st. trina
Oh shit. Albinaurics change sex when they grow older too. Oh shit that makes so much sense it hurts. Ow!
Specifically they turn from young women to crusty old men
I'm starting to think Miquella only exists in spirit form now. My best guess is they divested of their flesh completely. The haligtree may have naturally tried to regrow him, but he didn't care whether Mogh took his flesh or not. Saying the body in the cocoon is related to Miquella but not Miquella really bugs me. Miquella may have actually ascended to godhood as well? Gods rarely intervene directly. They send their forces, which might be us
Totally agree! You make some great points! I agree, I really do think Miqeulla is the cocoon, mb if it seemed like I didn't think so! I was just trying to say some believe it isn't :)
Thats another great point!
It would make sense if miquella became a god, given the surname "the kind." Marika is The Eternal. This could mean messmer was an empyrean and is a god as well.
Not saying you are wrong in your assumptions, but i disagree with the "title equals godhood" thought. In the lands between every self acclaimed lord and their mother (pun intended) has a title: Godrick the golden; Radahn the starscourge; Malenia the blade of Miquella; Ranni the witch; Soldier of Rick the god etc. The titels in my oppinion are more kinda like a surname.
Im curious if he is divested of his flesh in another realm and if he will use godwyns souless body as a vestibule to come back
Well godrick is a bitch pretending to be something. Doesn't ranni technically rise to god hood with her ending? Otherwise, I don't remember radahn being referred to as the starscourge. There's also no the in Malenias name either, and she becomes a goddess in the 2nd phase of her fight.
I want to point out that the person in purple is wearing a long robe, which we see in the other trailer. I think St. Trina is guiding us.
OOOOOOOO! I had not clocked this whatsoever but I think you might be onto something!
Mesmer is the First Born of Márika, exiled, the same as the nameless king in Dark Souls lore
Could definitely see them going down this route!!
Okay, Marika, I had not thought about. My thought was the blond person was Godwyn the Golden. Miquella is often referenced to be distraught about Godwyn's murder, him becoming the Prince of Death and not finding proper rest. He is buried at the roots of the Erdtree where many corpses are lying but he is still bound to the Tree and the living world. Hence the mountains of corpses around the figure in the trailer and him holding to the strains of gold.
We know Marika has 5 children that are referenced in the Lands Between. Two sets of twins and Godwyn. What if Messmer is the twin to Godwyn and purged from history? It would be an explanation for his question to the mother. The favorite twin has fallen and he mocks Marika for it, because Messmer is still there and fighting while the golden child has lost his status.
ngl i rly like this theory, messmer being the anti golden and blasphemous twin to godwyn being the perfect golden twin would be so fire
No one is mentioning that when Marika lifts up the golden threads, an impact/blast immediately follows.
They literally showed us the moment Greater Will/ Elden Beast landed in the Lands Between
You're totally right! This was what I was trying to say in the video, but what you've just said imo has confirmed it
16:03 St. Trina looks nearly identical to the nascent butterfly in this shot
DUDE YOU'RE RIGHT BLOODYDYDYYDYSYDASD8ASY HELL
And the lily
Arthur you’re right dude!
That's not wrought flesh, intestines and coagulated blood on the ground. It's strawberry jam!
You're right! Im a right goof ball for not realising that, gotta love that strawberry jam, think I even saw some apricot jam as well!
The shape of the golden doorway Marika stands in front of looks exactly like the enteance to the Erdtree. Im thinking the pillars of bodies is actually the trunk of the Erdtree and its showing visually how it was born from mass sacrifice.
This is one of my favourite takes so far! Love it!
I think the narrator saying that Miquella divested himself of his fate while showing St Trina could mean that St Trina was what Miquella was supposed to become (like how Malennia was supposed to become the Goddess of Rot).
This could mean that Miquella’s outergod might be a god/goddess of sleep
Thats a great point! I think you're onto something!
Miquella and Ranni have something in common then. Both denied their appointed fates but for different reasons
Or it could equally mean that becoming a whole new person (St. Trina) was his method of abandoning his fate. As we know where Miquella's withered body is, we still haven't seen St. Trina in person, my theory is that he already became her when he was in the cocoon.
I also believe that Messmer is there eradicating any force that opposes the Erdtree and is helping his mother get rid of anything that has to do with the Crucible.
I’m glad we’re in agreement, imo it seems like the most likely answer to what’s going on
This theory is a lot more believable than anything pointing at him being against Marika or being banished for “blasphemy”.
I'm gonna discard this theory completely because that would make him just another Morgott which would be boring. They have much better writers than that and they wouldn't just redo a story that was already done in the main game as the main plot for DLC.
@@bigtonithegreatjamboni9850 I understand what you mean. in this case, he wouldn’t be shunned though. Messmer should serve as the main protecting force, feared and known by all. I’d like to hear what you think about it or what would you like it to be?
@@seiz209 So like he's the one keeping outsiders from coming to the lands between or he's keeping the crucible(omens) subdued under it? I just don't understand why he'd be doing that all in a land that's purposefully hidden away from the rest when those without grace are already shunned there.
Another great video.
"I'm preparing the lawsuit as we speak" was hilarious 😂🤣😂
cheers man!
“This Rykard-ass looking place” 😂
It seriously does though, they've just took the blade of the blasphemous blade and done "x100393920489389432598874589477784367834676430086943"
I once described my living room this way. I haven't decided yet on whether this means that I should clean it.
@@Psychx_ TOGETHAAAAA WE CAN DESTROY THE EXPECTATIONS OF SOCIETY TOGETHAAAAA
my theory is mesmerized by the first child born from the old, his responsibility was to cleanse the land of the shadow
This is honestly looking like the most likely theory!!!
At least in regards to Messmer!
The opening shot looks like Marika is taking golden strands of hair from a baby’s head in a swaddle
Maybe dude!
Something I'm wondering is:
1. Shadows Lands is the place Marika first set foot in.
2. Messmer seems to have always been in the shadowlands for ages.
3. Reason why some of Marikas children have red hair was because of Radagon.
4. So does that mean Radagon already existed in the shadowlands?
5. Since Mesmer has red hair?
6. But since Radagon first appeared in the Liurnian War, long after marika's entry in the shadowlands.
7. So if Mesmer existed before Radagons inception ( Liurnian War )
8. How did Mesmer get red hair if it's not from Radagon?
I was wondering the same thing, my best guess is what I mentioned in the video :)
I think that people can just have red hair too
Radagon came to the lands between from the shadow.
@@Detriax Not in a fromsoft game
@@bigtonithegreatjamboni9850 Eh. We can agree to disagree. I think he has some sort of relation with Marika, but not with Radagon.
Here’s my prediction on Messmer. Beholding to the whole light and dark theme; Marika stole the grace from the womb to create the Erdtree. Thus leading to whatever was held within to be born devoid. In turn creating Messmer, who in his Blasphemy, seems to be a literal Shadow Of The Erdtree…
I really like this theory ALOT! Awesome stuff!
Just found your channel recently and really enjoy the little jokes you make during your analysis. Also like your voice/accent. Cant wait for next month!
Thank you so much dude, I honestly can’t put into words how much this means to me!!!!! I can’t either!
Just a random theory, maybe Radagon was the god in the lands of shadow, the reason messmer has red hair and the reason he almost had no backstory where he came from in ER
I could see fromsoftware going down this route!
The golden Thingys inside the elden beast look kinda like the gold thing inside the old crusty dude😮
You know what dude... it kinda does!
That crusty old beast
@@allthe1 he’s crusty old beast in Marikas sheets
seduction and betrayal made me think Marika was Catfishing in the Shadow Lands same way she did Rennalla
Oh 100% she was up to some freaky shit
Some say Miquella was just trying to become a butterfly.
He just wants to fly high 🦋
We *know* that what is now known as the Land of Shadow used to be physically a part of what is known as the Lands Between from a Miyazaki interview. He said that we will get to know how those two lands became separated in the DLC.
I believe we see the separation event in the beginning if this trailer. The great purge that couldn’t be put to song is sure to take place after the separation and that is the reason why we don’t hear about it in the base game.
What remains of the Land of Shadows now in the Lands Between might just be stories of distant land and foreign kingdoms, such as the place that the Numen, Tanith or house Marais are said to be from.
I didn’t know he’d confirmed that! That’s awesome!!!!! Thank you for letting me know!
5:50 I think someone made an astute observation that the corpses are actually skinned, and that this is then the Godskin Hunt, which would explain the Cocoon being the Gloam Eyed Queen - I believe in fact that the "cocoon" at 1:34 is coated in a fabric that is the same pale colour as the Godskin Robes. Its why Marika was so merciless against the enemies, even at 9:39 there's a Godskin-esque spiraling spear being held by a woman. There can be no doubt that this area is related to the gloam eyed queen.
I hadn’t even noticed this, but everything you’ve said makes total sense! I’m in love with this!!
It is Marika. It’s the same bracelet on Marika at the beginning cinematic of the base game.
That fleshy opening has the same shape as the gate of the Erdtree where you fight Radagon.
On the guy on the portrait…who’s to say that guy in the portrait isn’t just a previous husband of Marika? Correct me if I am wrong but I don’t recall hearing Godfrey was actually her first husband. Just the first Elden Lord.
That portrait might be a pregnant Marika and a previous husband.
I didn’t even clock that, but that’s amazing!!!
That’s a great theory! I love it, you’re right I don’t think it ever actually says “first husband”!!
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My schizo crazy theory about the actual LAND of shadow is that the land of shadow is the actual link to the deeproot depths and the giant branches;
- Godwyn dies beneath the erdtree, no visual effects on the actual erdtree yet the other tree looks as if it's being strangled by death blight.
- The siofra river map looks unfinished, the primary area beneath the massive cloud which is speculated to be where the DLC could take place.
- It's also speculated that getting into the DLC will be from the hand crushing you and killing you, which would imply that death takes you to the shadow realm. To get to the deeproot depths you have to go through a coffin, which is obviously synonymous with death.
Only issue with that theory is that you can get to the deeproot depths through the frenzied flame prescription area, but it feels like there's too many similarities for it not to be atleast a little significant.
I love these theories! Maybe considering so many died in the frenzied flame area that acts as a substitute? A permanent portal if you will? Something that I’ve been thinking is maybe that thing at the start is mass sacrifice for something, if death plays an important part like you think… then that adds a lot more credibility! Awesome theory dude!
Great vid bro! I'm 1k thousand percent Hyped for Shadow of the Erdtree! I think in the Shadow realm, we'll follow in Miquella's steps and instead of sites of grace, there's going to be Miquella's great rune and that's where we'll encounter the new leveling system Miyazaki was talking about in his interviews.
Thanks bro, you're continued support means the world to me, thanks so much! Dude tell me about it im so damn hyped!
I'd love to see this! I hadn't realised but we dont have Miquella's great rune, I THINK YOU'RE ONTO SOMETHING!
Tuesday has always been the day that from releases games
I didn’t know dude :)
I kinda feel like this trailer points at Miquella/Melania being born much earlier than the main game seems to suggest. It seems highly unlikely that Miquella would know about what happened in the lands of shadow unless he lived through it, with how closely kept a secret the whole incident seems to be.
My current crazy fringe theory now is that Miquella and Melania might not be twins! If Melania was anything like her buds before the blue swordsman helped her keep the scarlet rot in check, it would've been extremely easy for someone like Miquella to convince her of such at a young age, essentially making it a guarantee that Melania would be loyal only to him, seeing him as both the person trying to cure her, as well as he beloved twin brother.
I have zero proof that this is the case, but something about their relationship paralleled with Gowry's own relationship with Millicent and his other "daughters" makes me think it's a possibility. Hell, Gowry himself sends us after Miquella's needle if I recall correctly, and even seems to have the know-how to repair it. Feels like too much of a coincidence.
I had been wondering about everything that you mentioned just, but after reading what you have to say, I think you’re onto something! Great stuff dude!
There's also the fact that Marika's HALF-BROTHER, Maliketh, is half-beast. In one of Miyazaki interview, he said that we will learn more about a ''beast civilisation'' that was here prior to the Erdtree. So I'm pretty sure we will have some infos about Maliketh father, or mother.
Unfortunately I only found this out about a week ago, but that’s actually a mistranslation, In Japanese it translates to “sworn brother” :(
@@theemeraldgecko310 Well he still half beast sooo..
@MidnightatMidian you are right!
Just an observation, the soldiers of Messmer seem to be heavily inspired by Roman soldiers, mostly a mixture of their gear troughout the ages. Heart plates of early republic, mail shirts of late republic and helmets of the late empire. Overall marching with spears also just gives organized war machine vibes.
Super great point!!! I hasn’t clocked it, but looking now I see it! Great catch!
"On a random Tuesday"
It's exactly 30 days, 1 month until dlc release, quite the opposite of random.
How did I not realise this lmao, mb!
I'm not much of a lore guy but, now that you say that Rykard was at one point in the lands of shadow, it makes me wonder if that happened before the business with the snake or if he actually fed himself to the snake in order to die and/or defile the gold/grace out of himself, like Miquella supposedly did with the cocoon, thus gaining a way to the lands of shadow.
I hadn’t thought of this, but I now you’ve mentioned it, I’m in love with this theory!!!!! I think imo this is the most likely answer!
It’s radagons kid. Merika just “adopted him”
Possibly!
Its not a random tuesday, its exactly one month before lunch
Damn this shit is gonna be a long morning
That big ass door in front of the erdtree looks like it took a giant flame attack to break it open to me. Got messmer's stink on it.
You’ve got a great point!
For you it was the most important day in your life - the day when Miyazaki graced you with a story trailer. For me it was tuesday. ©Miyazaki, probably
Definitely Miyazaki probably
Marika is holding the veil in the sky in the Land of Shadow, I think it's not the Elden Ring. Marika's shadow is Maliketh, they were raised together as siblings. Radagon supposedly only appeared after the war against the Fire Giants but who knows maybe he does have something to do with Land of Shadow and Messmer. After all, Messmer has red hair like Radagon. What I most liked about your points is the bracelet in Marika's arm symbolizing a snake meaning Marika has some connection to snakes. Cause Messmer is connected to snakes and the snakes are associated to sin and sin is associated to the burning of the Erdtree.
Marika is hiding some big Shizas, can’t wait for the dlc, can only hope we get the answers we NEED
I love that ritual scene of Marika holding those hairs, is lile the massive ritual of becoming a god and at the samd time looks like the massive incantation of Marikas veil being created, the fabric of reality being bent, and she needed lots of bodies for that, maybe Mesmer proccured those bodies for her
Maybe that’s why the war happened in the first place…. Maybe that war we see was before the first bit?
I think that Marika ordered Mesmer to start a war in order to make the land of shadow separate from the lands between so that she could start her own order
I agree!!
Also on that rykard possibly having a connection to the shadow realm. In the scene where marika is next to all those corpses the sky looks pretty similar to the sky at mt gelmir... where there are a lot of corpses too at volcano manor
No way? Are you serious dude? This makes total sense!
Before this trailer I thought Melina would play a big part, but now i have no idea.
Same dude, this dlc is gonna be so good
The overall theme from the trailer definitely borrows alot from the dark souls series. In it, the corpses and souls(wills) became the very bedrock of the world itself.(Dregs)
We've seen that from elden ring with the crucible story, with all forms life being burned to create the erdtree, the God and root of life in the current lands between.
The trailer truly reminds me of the crucible, but I don't think it is the crucible itself. But it does seem like the trailer was a war to sacrifice the city to the erdtree, in a way to make the new age like you mentioned.
You make a good point! I was so laser focused that I had not even noticed but you're completely right!
I agree, I think it would be a big shame to make EVERYTHING crucible related, what I meant in the video was I think we might see isolated, uncontacted remnants of that time period!
@@theemeraldgecko310 here's something I don't know if others are gonna catch- GRRM let slip in an interview, than the elden ring was a physical ring, the one ring, iirc he said it was froms idea to make it a physical ring, in reference to lotr's the one ring.
And marika apparently jacked it from this guy.
@@umwhoalol Wait what!? Dude thats huge, I can totally see the inspiration! Do you by any chance know when this interview was? Thanks so much for letting me know!
@@theemeraldgecko310I'll try and look it up shouldnt be too hard
@@umwhoalol Thanks so much dude!!!!
What if the old homie, is the seed of the erdtree, we all know the roots of the tree are made of bodies gang
This is honestly one of my favourite lore theories ever, awesome stuff dude!
@@theemeraldgecko310 I'm thinking Marika used seduction and mesmer prolly his kid and he wants revenge and stop Marika from controlling ppl cuz Marika is controlled order mesmer is chaos order, while Marika is Griffith Ina way sacrificing himself to send us the tarnished back to the past to change the future all together and us take the throne in his steed changing his future his sister future and he's not locked in that curse that makes him Benjamin button, thats what i think elden ring Marika shit hit the fan and the DLC is before the shit hit gang lmao feel free to run with it king
@@theemeraldgecko310 I'm thinking Marika used seduction and mesmer prolly his kid and he wants revenge and stop Marika from controlling ppl cuz Marika is controlled order mesmer is chaos order, while Marika is Griffith Ina way sacrificing himself to send us the tarnished back to the past to change the future all together and us take the throne in his steed changing his future his sister future and he's not locked in that curse that makes him Benjamin button, thats what i think elden ring Marika shit hit the fan and the DLC is before the shit hit gang lmao feel free to run with it king
Calling it now. The "Shadow" referred to at the beginning of the trailer is the Gloam-Eyed Queen. Those corpses around her all look to have been skinned.
You know… you might be onto something!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WE ARE SO BACK FRENS
OH WE ARE SO BACK
Your theory about the lands between and the land of shadown being one and the same long ago was already confirm in a interview with Miyazaki himself back when the first DLC trailer was reveal
Oh wait really?!? That’s amazing!
It’s gotta be the One Great! Shabriri said all that there is came from the one great. And different factions and beliefs have scattered from it
I’m sorry I’m a little confused, what do you think is the one great?
@@theemeraldgecko310 that big blasphemous blade looking meat tree
I think that after this trailer, the Gloam-Eyed Queen is actually Marika.
If this was the case, that would be so bloody cool!
Never forget the gloam eyed queen lore, the previous Ruler of the land, that womb was white similar to the god skin apostle’s, also the god skins had their god hunts where they would skin their victims, notice those bodies in the beginning are are skinless, rmb melina who’s eye in the lord of frenzy ending are the color of gloam and the sky in the trailer beginning is the same color, Messmer and Melina are siblings perhaps, Messmer worked for marika and Melina for geq, maybe marika seduced the geq, then seduced and mated with geq and made Melina and Messmer, hence why Melina knows so much of marika, then betrayed the geq,
You make some amazing points, I love it! Great stuff!!!
It is generally agreed upon in the community that Marika was a Numen and that she did not always possess godhood. If I am not mistaken, Miyazaki mentioned in an interview that the Erdtree was created in the Lands of the Shadows, so it is not too far-fetched to assume that what you see in the beginning is Marika creating the Erdtree and becoming a god. This is also supported if you examine the beginning with all the flesh; it can almost resemble the roots of bodies, and we now know that the roots of the Erdtree are, in fact, made out of bodies.
You make some great points! I love it!
I think that Marika tried to grasp power through various means in that land before the elden beast meteor struck the ground. that is through various affairs with powerful people. But when she discovered the elden meteor and got the elden ring, she created a new land and hid the lands she came from so that none would find anything about her past. Messemer is her child from one of the affairs she had with powerful people in the shadow land.
I really love this theory, like beyond love it! Great stuff!
Old guy wasn’t Marika’s dad - he was her daddy
Her Daddy Waddy
fire video
Cheers man, thank you!
My two crazy takes:
1) Marika is the deathbed companion of that crusty old Elden Ring Rune guy from which the elden ring is being taken. Messmer, their child.
2) Marika seduced Placidusax and got Messmer as a byproduct.
Hope neither is true as I cannot wait to be surprised by the story.
I know you’re hoping they’re not true, but imo I can see these being the case! Awesome stuff!
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Cheers man thank you!!!
the stuff they're pulling out of the dead body at the start, are runes. the same runes you get when you kill something or someone
I really like this theory!!
In terms of who Messmer's father I actually think its very possible its a fire giant. We know there are or were fire giants in the land of shadow due to ones face being on a messmers giant baskets of fire in the gameplay trailer. This could also go a long way to explain how messmers is gifted with his unique fire.
It could be that 1. This is a more ancient form of fire incantations or 2. The combination of Marika's and this fire giant's genes resulted in Messmer being born with this flame from birth.
This is the second time I’ve seen this thrown around, and I honestly love it, it makes ALOT of sense! Could also explain why Marika eventually set her sights on the fire giants!!
In the scene after mesmmer and that lion puppet fight. Are the spears impaling the "guys" that control the puppet?
Oooooo I like this theory!!!
What if the one who Marika seduced is Placidusax and Messmer is the product of that affair?
As you said at the end the land of shadow was part of the Lands Between before the Erdtree, so during the age of the Crucible. It's proven by the large amount of characters having horns (the lion puppets, the big bear spell, the image dropped a few days ago). Also, in the first trailer our character is able to cast the flying move belonging to the Crucible knights.
We know Placidusax was the elden lord before the Erdtree, most likely during the Crucible Age.
We know dragons were able to assume human form and I can see Marika "seducing" (as stated in the trailer) the lord of the moment and then "betray" him and his people with his own son, who by the way has also draconic eyes.
I’ve always wondered about the dragon eyes, but now you say this it all makes so much sense, great stuff!!!
Hey, you think that there is a parallel between Miquella and Griffith? I can see why many follow him and think of him as a saintly guy, but me personally I think he has more malicious plans in mind.
When they say he divested every part of himself, I see it in a way where he is getting away from the Golden Order and finding other paths. What do you think?
I haven’t read Beserk, but from everything I know about it, I can definitely see this being the case!!!!
Idk man, it's still a jump to say that Miquella is St. Trina. There is a ton of references pointing to it, but certainly not definitive.
I mean it literally talked about Miquella showing st Trina dudeeeee
It isn't a random Tuesday, it's exactly 1 month until it drops lol
Shittttttttttt
I got so excited I was banging on my armrests and hooting about it! This is SO GOOD!
Dude I know!!! IM SO HYPED!
@@theemeraldgecko310 Ziostorm mentioned that first scene possibly being Marika reaching into the pregnant belly of the deathbed companion with the old man in the painting and taking the golden strands from her. Can't unsee it now!
I get why he'd think that, but does it not look like Miquella's cocoon? Its even got the same stringy bits as seen in the opening cinematic?
@@theemeraldgecko310 It definitely does! I just love all the different ideas of what could be going on, and the fact that Fromsoft gives us this gift of ambiguity in the first place!
@@briannenurse4640 I love it as well, it’s definitely one of the best parts!
I think in the beginning it is showing merika creating the lands between and the beginning of the erdtree..my question is why is miquella's great rune shown in three different locations?? Or is 3 different great runes??
I agree! As I said in the video I’m dead sure that’s what’s going on, we’ll have to wait and see though! That’s a great point, I’m not sure!
I wonder if the Shadowlands was the original destination for the First Tarnished. It was never found bc of the veils and they ended up in the Badlands 🤔 I don’t think Marika was ever planning on rectifying the Shadowlands, she wanted to imprison Mesmer, the Tarnished, and everything else within in an Eternal War until all was self-consumed. Marika loves slinging out curses like it’s loose change so this wouldn’t be unusual for her. It seems all her effort into hiding her past, maintaining her new order, and trying to defy the Greater Will has been her undoing, I can’t wait to play this!
I still think it to be miquella at the beginning holding that hair. Could be Mario’s, but it feels like the whole video is amount miquella not her. But we shall see! So excited
So excited as well! I guess we’ll just have to wait and see!
My theory is that Marika was once married in an era of blood, death, and chaos until the Elden Beast’s recruitment which lead to her first betrayal. At this point she may already have children of her own and my theory points to Melina and Messmer (Death and Fire - hence the smoldering butterfly symbolising them both as Empyreans). Here onwards Marika would then be romantically involved with Godfrey (the seduction) that sired Godwyn following the war to defeat the Gloam Eyed Queen, eradicating the Godskins, and the horned beings, thereby as shown in the first scene where Marika finally establishing the first of many golden “Order” before traversing into the Lands Between, leaving Messmer behind to “clean up” the remaining threats
Note: i look at lineage with Marika more than hair colour as tat seem more reliable in terms of influence and relevance to the story (Melina, Malenia, and Miquella have diff hair colour but are empyreans)
It’s not a random Tuesday. It’s a month from the release.
Damn..
Honestly I believe Marikas parent is the Formless mother and that messmar is her brother
I love the idea, but can I ask what makes you think that?
love when jit says pizza
Hehehehehee glad you liked it!
Ok, hear me out. Another flying spaghetti. Radagon was the one born from the seductive betrayal. Marika fused with her own son.
Dude… that’s so out there and I love it
Why Messmer cannot be Marika's brother? We know that she has a father, with whom she was close, she has his hummer, so there was mother too, and i think it is Formless Mother, which was close to Messmer. The war in trailer, that cannot be in songs - the war for power and control GreatTree of Shadowlands, where Marika lost, and run in Lands between. Messmer have power of blood, fire and snakes, all that Marika stated as enemy symbols and blasphemy in Lands between. Hair color may not be the same, because Mikella and Malenia are twins and have differend hair color, the same can be to Marika and Messmer. And the general - Marika showed up in Lands between from Lands of numen, and after that she met Hoara Lux, bourn all known her childrens. In Lands between any mention of Messmer, such powerful son and demigod, simply non exist. So if she contacted with Messmer, it was before her existing in Lands between. And if Messmer her son, he bourned before she became god of Golden order in Shadowlands, and why she leave motherland and her child then? It seems not likely. But if Messmer her rival brother and she lost war for power in Shadowlands, ithink it explain almost everything
Thats what I've been saying, literally the only reason why everyone has been assuming he's Marika's child is because he mention a "mother" in the first trailer and Marika had been the main mommy so far. No doubt they did that on purpose to throw everyone off.
That doorway of corpses could also be the cocoon miquella is in
Maybe!!!
The seduction/betrayal/affair could also have a more nuanced meaning as well - as in the Blackflame Monk items describe them as Fire Monks unable to resist the seduction and taboo of the black flame (GEQ). We know Marika is/was a Numen of the Eternal City - perhaps she was seduced by the promise of power and the dazzle of gold, took it on in a form of comingling with the Elden Beast seed, ultimately betraying her own people even to the point of banishing/sealing them underground after usurping their Numen Lord of Night Dark Moon who guided the stars. The forbidden shadow inside, well that she could not fully rid herself of even after removing it from the Ring itself. Those traits passed down to some of her children in the form of a Gloam Eye, a Dark Moon and Sleep. Sealing that shadow affected the children born with those traits. Melina burned and her eye sealed, Ranni rebelling, Miquella losing Trina. Those gloam touched children all ended up bodiless, ridding themselves of Marika in varying degrees. She betrayed her people, herself and ultimately her own children such was her lust for power. Her sin.
Dude, I kid you not one of my favourite parts of making these videos is reading the comments, amazing stuff dude!!
Mesmer is definitely not Marika's son, the trailer even hints that he was serving her before the Golden Order was even established which means he was there before the erdtree and her relationship with Godfrey.
Maybe he’s a child from a previous relationship before Godfrey?
Affair could just mean "event/matter" but something here tells me its actually the other its definition.
"She had an affair" vs
"Get ones affairs in order"
Messmer may be the misgotten son of a literal affair that was needed for Marika to gain her power, but he was sealed in the realm of shadow to erase this sin from history and not sully the golden order, as well the horrible war and possible mass sacrifice.
Miquella may have needed to relinquished his body to even enter that world, to go on a path of atonement for her wrongs. Perhaps the demigod offspring of Marika are physically unable to enter otherwise?? Speculation.
Maybe he can also save Godwyn in this way, but there may not even be a way to revive Godwyn at this point. So all he can do is honor his memory
Here's my theory. I think it's Marika at the beginning, removing the grace of the gold from Messemer as a baby. Messemer's father is the old man from the original trailer who tries to pull the sword out of himself. I think once Messemer grew up, he wanted to wage a war against his mother which is what we see in the story trailer.
Revenge for his fathers death or destruction perhaps?
The inside of the old guy looks like the inside of the Elden beast
Someone also said that! Love this theory!
For a while now, I've suspected that Marika somehow got the elden ring from the previous god before her... We know the previous god had left or disappeared, leaving behind their lord (who is a dragon). And looking at Messmer and his dragon communion connections made me think...
So my new theory is Marika seduced the previous god by using Radagon which creates Messmer. She then betrays the god somehow, stealing its power for herself. Thus attaining the elden ring and godhood.
You did not mention the scene with messmer and the bodies "impaled" in the background, you can see 3 of the Lion Dancers impaled on the poles.. you can also see the arms and legs of the puppet master.
How on earth did I miss the lion guys.. mb!
@@theemeraldgecko310 there is a lot to unpack! Nice video! Thanks for responding
For me marika is pulling the veil down putting away the land of shadows
I agree! That seems to be the case!
Just a hypothesis but, could it be that the group at 16:46 are the new starting classes? FromSoft did say there are new classes to choose from in the DLC, no? 🤷♂️
I had no idea about this, but that makes total sense! Thank you for letting me know!
Please explain how Messmer fighting in a war in the Shadowlands disproves him being a direct sibling to any of the known demigods.
I agree being siblings just not being apart of the supposed tripplit trio, timeline seems too far apart imo
@@theemeraldgecko310 I'm not completely on board the triplet theory myself, but we really don't know when Radagon came into the picture. Therefore, we have no idea exactly when the children of Radagon and Marika were born. I don't see how Messmer's unseen war following Marika's affair of gold proves anything regarding what else happened in between those events. Also, we don't know who Messmer's parents are for sure, but if Radagon turns out to be his father, then it is possible that Miquella and Malenia were born around the same time as Messmer. Neither the proximity of scenes in the story trailer nor the omission of certain characters from it disproves the theory.
Just how many kids she plopped out bruv.
Dude I know, I don’t even know how it’s possible
did anyone pick up on the puppet lion boss,being impaled in the story trailer too.I've only just noticed
Were gonna learn who mogh and morgotts real mum us
I hope so, if it’s not Marika she’s got a lot of explaining to do!
I think Marika is opening a portal, in the new trailer, when she's holding those kind of threats in her hands.
The sky left and right (the sky right of the portal can't be seen in every example of the trailer i've seen so far) on the outside is kinda gloomy, while it looks golden where Marika is standing.
This could be a portal to the lands between or the realm that exists in the Erdtree itself.
Could definitely see this being the case! Only problem is there’s an impact shockwave and the elden beast theme, I really do think this is the start of the golden order! But I also do like this theory!
And i still think messer became somebody hero..
and at first we thought Radagon is the reason of Messmer's red hair...but what if its other war around??
Radagon was born with golden hair and given red hair from a curse by the flame giants so radagons red hair is post marikas ascension of leyndell
Not necessarily! He was given a fire giants curse, but we aren’t told how? Maybe the curse was passed down to him?
The trailer talks about betrayal I'm really starting to think miqurlla somehow bevomes mesmer their body and long hair is the same yes dif color but the same they both have really long arms and miquella is actually wearing a snake armband idk there something more going on forsure
I love the theory, only problem is Messmer seems to have been born long, long before Miquella!
Just wanted to add I don't think that's marika at the beginning I think it's miquella they don't have a shirt on and look how long thier arms are and both have long blonde hair miquella may not have a body or form in the game but he also went into the cacoon something could have changed I do agree with you I do believe this place was a part of the lands between and I think the battle here has something to do with the war at the beginning of Elden ring I don't know there just seems like there's something more going on something deeper
I think this is marikas war with the gloamed eyed queen and possibly where melina was born. Her seduction was prolly a prototype move shed later do to rannis mom
oh man and to connect it to ur theory, what if the gloam queen was marikas mom and marika seduced her mom instead? gross
Cool theory man, I LIKEY!
@@theemeraldgecko310 and to build off your theory, I think the gloam queen was marikas mom which is why messmer looks born "afflicted", he's a product of the same empyrean lineage oroborus'ing itself
Is there any possible way of messmer and melina being kids of gloom eyed queen and radagon?
That’s a really cool theory! Not 100% convinced but I think it’s possible!
You literally see the cocoon at the start where she steals the golden strands…..
marika stole godhood and ascended this is not new news
Now who she stole it from who knows
Gloam eyed queen seems likely since it looked like a godskin where she takes it from
I thought it looked like a cocoon? I like you’re theory though!!! Great stuff as always!
Here's my shit I'm flinging at the wall. The Messmer Soldiers in the army kinda look like they're wearing a prototype of D's armor, before the design was subsumed into the golden order.
Oh ma god, holy baby Jesus, I had not noticed this whatsoever, but you’re right!!!!