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Malcolm Nance and Ben Shapiro join Bill to discuss the "muzzle laws" being introduced by Republican lawmakers that seek to limit the degree to which educators can talk about race in the classroom.
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The audience clapping for Malcolm is the craziest part of this exchange.
🤡 audience
The producers flashed the "Applause" sign off camera, and so they did whatever the shiny blinking sign told them to do.
I know its frustrating ur icel hero is getting shit on
@@jamesgraham2192 Ben Shapiro is married with 3 children and a VERY successful business so that's pretty much the opposite definition of being an "incel": Plus his whole message has been, "finish school, don't go to jail, get married before having sex and you should make it in America".
@@Akihito007 Shapiro has his own agenda too. He is well spoken, I agree with that, I find some of his content entertaining, but I never watch any of this content without filtering in my mind what both sides are trying to articulate and the real meat and grit behind their arguments.
Yes Ben is highly articulate but his argument is fundamentally flawed, no matter how well he articulates it. "CRT" doesn't exist period. It's just like "communism" and "socialism", yet another scary word trotted out by the right. I also find it highly ironic that ppl like Ben and proponents of cancelling "CRT" talk about the divide that CRT is forming in the country but they are doing the exact same thing. Hustlers on both sides.
I'm a registered Independent who has enjoyed Maher for years but his show would be so much more enjoyable without the clapping seals.
Maxx it is sad that a comedian has to arbitrate a well reasoned debate. Love Bill and almost always agree with him. Malcolm resorts to cheap ass shots that make his opinion worthless.
@@friscomorsegmail Agree. As soon as the insults began, it became the intellectual version of Mike Tyson biting Evander Holyfield's ear. The parallel being at these two moments in history, two out of the four were getting their ass handed to them with desperation and frustration the end result.
@@friscomorsegmail Ben shapiro literally said "I will comfort myself tonight by sleeping on my bed made of money" as if it was not the most childish remark I have heard. Both parties were not even being fair just throwing opinions and their own fabrications around. Malcom can't even make a solid argument and ben shapiro neck veins pop out each time you question his superior knowledge
I think the only section of his show that would benefit from a no applause sign would be the panel discussions. Everything else I'm fine with.
I don't think the audience is so much the problem as it is the 'clapping seals' in it.
Watched his shows during the lockdown and I have to admit that it felt kinda empty.
Maybe have more conservatives on or place a bucket of fish in the parking lot to keep those idiots distracted during the show.
It scares me how people thought Malcom was right and cheering him on. That’s was terrifying. Ben and Bill were a bit blown away by his stupidity.
They choose with deep devotion to pretend to be "blown away". Their job is important for your psychological distortion which fuels white supremacy (white supremacy is the power behind your currency).
that's what happens when the whole crowd is hardcore liberals. They'll always cheer for the Left regardless of what is being said
Sounds like Ben and Bill were the stupid ones dat u fell to understand .
@@spoker2006 Now where do you even get the idea that he is racist?
This was the first time I saw Malcom Nance , and he is so cringe and inapt in debate, he was obnoxious , Im not a big shapiro fan but he called MN's idea bullshit , whereas MN just insulted ben for NO reason
Can’t respect someone that can’t have a factual conversation without insulting the other person because they know they can’t win the argument.
Yeah can't respect a CIA agent who has protected your freedom to crappy opinions.....
Agree 💯
You can't have a factual argument with Ben Shapiro
@@cedwardmassey Whaat???
@@cedwardmassey Yes, because he speaks truth, and malcom was too weak and dishonest to focus on the truth.
This is a very great example of why some debates should not have an audience.
ya
Agreed. Some audience members are really stupid. Especially those in California.
And the debaters should be in sound proof rooms that can be muted when someone is answering their arguments
It is also a great example of why CRT is doomed. When a Malcolm Nance is a champion of it then by definition it is finished.
This wasn’t “debate”, it is infotainment for audience capture and retention. A debate would be two to three hours with a moderator, a proponent of CRT and an opponent. It would start with coming to a mutual agreement on definitions. It won’t happen because proponents of CRT would never agree to this.
Here's what I just learned: when you've got cheerleaders in your corner, you dont need a substantive argument. You can essentially just point and laugh and you're golden.
That's the secret of Bill Maher's success.
jesse my friend, don't pick on the audience - they are just clapping because the producer lit the signs that said "applause" and "laughter" ;)
I think that aligns with the Fox theory mentioned, too xD
Still kind of weird seeing Maher or anybody for that matter be such a cheerleader for Shapiro
Thays what Democrats do.
I love the part when the crowd gets uncomfortable and goes dead silent once they find out that Mahar is on shapiro's side.
Except… Maher wasn’t on Shapiro’s side.
@@transphotography except the fact that he was arguing Malcom Nance and not Ben Shapiro and actually defending Shapiro's stance. I, like the majority of other in this comments sections, have all noticed the crowd shift tone and hesitate to clap for Nance once Mahar's opinion was brought to the table. The amount of awkward tension in that room was palpable. That's why this clip exists in the first place.
@@transphotographydid we watch the same video? Maher was 100% on Ben's side.
@@transphotographyi think you’re delusional
Yeah. They totally backed the wrong horse.
wow, I've never seen a living troll in my entire life, thanks for showing yourself Malcolm 👏🏽
You are joking, he was a clown
This entire exchange says more about Maher's audience than anything else.
Very good point sir thank you.
I think it shows how out of his depth Ben Shapiro is
That's like very episode. The show often has the vibes of toddlers watching a quantum physics lecture. The audience seems to have no clue what's going on, but clap when they hear a word they like.
ya
Super left !!
Just remember, if your opponent stops presenting counter points and starts throwing insults without you ever insulting them, you’ve won the argument.
That means I’ve won a LOT of arguments I’ve made for progressive policies against conservatives.
Thanks.
@@dr.christopherdiaz4473 Careful, you’re showing your highly skewed internal bias
@@dr.christopherdiaz4473 lol there isn’t a single good cause for any progressive policy. At all. It’s all bullshit baked in racism and victim mentality. Name a single issue where progressive politics is superior to conservatism. I’ll wait.
LMAO, NOT. In this case, Ben looked like a complete idiot and Malcolm SAW this and used it to HIS advantage. Ben bit the bait and almost lost it.
@@dlomane1965 I never said who lost or won, or who insulted who. So the fact that you immediately defended Malcolm exposes the fact that he must have been the one who stopped presenting counter points and started throwing insults otherwise you wouldn’t feel the need to defend him. By arguing you have actually proven that according to the premise I put forth Malcolm lost the argument.
I love it. every time they start insulting people, it means they lost the debate.
Correction when they resort to ONLY insulting people……..
Some people insult you while winning the debate.
If you can’t argue the points or rebuttal with valid counter points and you result to insulting you always lose the debate and that’s what happen in the video
Or they’ve had enough with the bs. I love it when they’re so desparate their only argument is “I sleep on a bed of money” lol
@@crazytrain848that wasn't even close to being his only argument. That was one throw away comment. If you honestly think it was his only argument, or even that he said that as an argument, I suggest you don't watching videos like this until you've retaken all school.
@@jimmy2k4o Nance clearly won. A rarity. Nance literally shut Shapiro down and Ben was defeated and knew it when he claimed he was confused, Nance's virus remark was the winning point Ben couldn't counter.
Malcolm was a career administrative worker in the navy masquerading as a war hero. The guy has never seen combat no matter how much he wants you to think he has.
Come across a lot of people like that in the navy 😂
Well.. turns out you're the worst kind of liar
My husband spent 22 years in the Navy and never saw war. He prepared for war every single day. Myself and my two boys were shipped around the United States for 22 years defending this country for the potential of war. I'm not sure your comment has any value to it. My two sons are now serving in different branches of the military and I hope they don't see war.
@@ellaapodaca2620 Did your husband misrepresent himself as someone who did? No one should want to see war but Malcolm uses the weight of experiences he hasn’t gone through to try and get people to trust his beliefs.
@@alcazar123456 I completely agree with you. But both sides do this if we want to be honest about it. You can't go a day without watching Fox News without seeing some Navy SEAL on their doing the same thing.
“When there is debate, slander becomes the tool of the loser”
-Socrates
FACTSSS
Absolute facts
Yeah. Shapiro is definitely a loser.
Saying to someone that you believe their arguing technique sucks... isn't slander. In fact, no one slandered anyone in this video so I'm not sure how this was even relevant.
@@unclesamuelkaingata9749 Slander might be a stretch in this case.. but all the black gentlemen did was throw out propaganda & assumptions based on his opinions without actually debated anything while playing the crowd psychologically better than a carny leader playing up momentum.
Malcom coughing (audience claps) malcom rolls his eyes (audience claps)
Malcom disagreement with Ben (they clap)
Ben's comeback ( not a sound).......
Respect to shapiro for going into the lions den....
“Lions den” leftists have no critical thinking skills😂😂headed into the sheep den
Exactly... with out the leftest crowd and Malcolm talking about his 4 generation grandpa...I don’t care America now anyone can go make regarded of any color..I grew up white in a all black neighborhood and was poor compared to allot in my community.....Ben would tear him up with out crowd
Yall outta your mind if you think Bill maher is a lefty. He's a corperate hack neolib.
@@bender9222222222 talking about the audience
Because lefties are nothing more than circus seals
Malcolm is a great example of why a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
I'm sure you meant a great example of knowledge and proper context, as opposed to quoting an article about liberals taking Fox Newa as truth, whatever that means.
@@AchOwed Malcolm is another populistic moron who twist the truth to fit his ideals. It's ridiculous seeing someone like Ben debate an ignorant idiot.
Malcolm brought a spit ball and a straw to a duel😂😂
Bruh thinks he's Malcolm X, he isn't.
"yeah you're easily confused" 2 years later and none of us know wtf Malcom was talking about or why he was clapped.
"When the debate is over, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - Socrates
malcom the loser
That why Ben had to brag about being rich lol?
That has certainly been my experience.
You're right. "I sleep on a pile of money" Ben shouldn't lie about himself lol XD
Pron00b, malcom was being so annoying the whole debate. You can't get mad at Ben for snapping. If I was there I would have gotten angry much earlier.
Ben: *Makes arguement*
Malcolm: that's what yo mama said last night
Audience: *cheers*
😂 this is so hilarious cause I imagined him actually saying the yo mama joke
@Nunya Biz A decent debate or conversation takes place when two people come to discuss in good faith. Ben gave an impartial definition of CRT. Contrary to what the moderator asked, Nance gave no definition, dishonestly called it history and went on a mindless and condescending rant throwing jabs at someone who addressed him respectfully. Even Maher had to call him out for lying that CRT is history and that Ben called CRT bullshit. You're just as dishonest as Nance for saying someone has his head up anybody's ass when you're the one with your head up CNN and Joe Biden's ass because you've convinced yourself you're always right and everybody else is always wrong. Look at what everyone in the comments is saying and ask yourself why you're so stupid.
@Nunya Biz You used the word, "literally" in a situation that in no remote way called for it. As if there was a figurative way to interpret, "made great points". No one should take you or your comments seriously.
@Nunya Biz Now that I think about it, he could have been making pointy objects during the debate. But that makes your comment even dumber. lol
well Malcolm Nance definitely won this one
Malcolm and the audience are engaged in tribal warfare, while Ben is actually attempting to debate the actual issues at hand.
The difference between barbarism and pure class
@@jaypandya7441 Shapiro seeks a
L bertarian
A narcho-
S yndicalist
T heocratic version of America.He was screaming over "Barbie" the movie, but it set records proving a demand economy is best for Capitalist societies, not tickle down propaganda.
Well, debating the actual issues is part of systemic, inherent racism built into the white-male patriarchy...just like math. Just clap for the person accusing the "Republican Right" of doing something nefarious. Before we know it, the U.S. will be growing crops with Gatorade and swearing in President Camacho.
@@jaypandya7441 Or the difference between oppression deniers and the oppressed. Kinda ironic that Shapiro would take this stand considering what his people are going through today...
When you have to play the "it sucks" card in a debate, you know you are out of ideas.
Bill: "Both of you explain CRT"
Ben: *explains CRT*
Malcom: *launches into unrelated rant*
Now if only Shapiro will admit on his own channel that CRT ISN’T being taught in America.
Stay salty brother. 🤣
Thats democrats for you. Most have room temperature IQs
Malcolm explicitly said he agrees with classical CRT but that the right hijacked the term so they could air brush history.
It's a shame you didn't notice.
@@NA-bn9er, if your school focuses on the application and practice of a theory it's not fair to say they teach the theory?
I get that there's a bit of semantics in this debate, but it's not like opponents are misrepresenting CRT.
“It’s hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it’s damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.”
The smarter person won the argument
"We're all very different people! We're not Watusi...... We're not Spartins!! We're Americans!!!"
- Bill Murray
I’m able to win an argument with a stupid person. I make them feel even dumber through the use of comedy. I do it on Twitter all the time.
Oh yeah ?!
"Quoting famous people quote, makes me look smart."
- Albert Einstein.
@@rasadams9034 Not in your case!
A white guy, a black guy, and a jew walked into a bar. They all sat down and ordered a drink. The black guy was mad because his great, great grandfather didn't get one.
Personal attacks and belittling laughter seem to be the most common defense to a lack of logical response in debate
Liberals.
I love how the crowd can so easily contradict themselves with a round of applause.
ya
Seemingly.. could also be a crowd mixed with some conservatives and some shit heads. Or whatever we call them these days. The they thems. Lol
@@chrischris5510 i thought about that for a second but realized well Shapiro didn’t get a single clap when he made a point so there are probably no conservatives in that group LOL.
@@chrischris5510 lmao why am i not surprised chris chan is a republican
@@mikehawk8361 hey bro that’s a sick name
That was embarrassing. Holy shit.
Bill, please go to an audience-free show. We will all thank you.
ya
Benny shapino: America first is racist 🤣
He did that before but kept getting killed in debates😂
The audience are sheep 🐑
I think it was a laughter track
When the guy youre debating is smarter than you and knows what he’s talking about about, and you turn in a 12 year old and attacking him personally
Malcolm's change in tone when he realized Bill wasn't on his side should be taught in debate class.
Lmao the fact that Bill Maher's audiences doesn't know when to clap anymore
The bots haven't received a firmware update in a while, and it's showing.
Yeah very obvious
The controller of the canned laughter and clapping was a bit off that day.
Hitch would have been happy
Dwayne D
Malcolm is correct. There isn’t a problem regarding critical race theory, only freaking out by conservatives as if there is.
The very last insult Malcolm Nance threw out at Shapiro saying his show "sucks" is embarassingly immature. He has the mannerisms of a 14 year old trying to impress their juvenile friends by hurling insults at an adult of greater intellect.
He didn't say his show sucks he said is this what you do in your show because this sucks. He is right Ben knows that the right is using CRT to be an umbrella saying they just don't want honesty about history taught
@@Kadegabe wrong lefty
@@RobertZemeckis2025 so you really think the right is concerned about a graduate school class being taught to 3rd graders? Most of their teachers wouldn't even be qualified to teach the theory.
@@Kadegabe I think the right does care what their kids are being taught in school.
@@SculptSome of course that is not what I was referring To. CRT is a graduate school course and something that would never be taught in grade school so it's a false argument that Republicans are making
I don't always agree with Bill Maher, but he's grounded in reality that neither side seems to want to acknowledge and you gotta respect that he challenges your ideas that rip you right out of that echo chamber bubble.
Ben is brilliant
💯
"It's hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it's damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person."
Shappee is the stupid one right ?
Well said
@@MrHamtits God, one would think. I can't stand his voice.
@@moniqueloomis9772 How does his voice equate to how smart and well articulate he is?
@@moniqueloomis9772 No one can stand his voice but that has nothing to do with the discussion.
They clapped for Malcolm saying “I agree with everything he said”
Yet they didn’t clap for Ben for laying down the definition lol
That should tell you something about the audience… or society
Many of the comments share your opinion, so let me break it down. He says, yes I agree, because the basis of your thesis is true and the system is stacked.
they have the same attitude as Bill Maher who may criticize their own people (radical left) but still would rather the economy of our country crash just so Trump is out of office. Well they got their wish.
@@nyceflix It's not "his" thesis, he simply defined what CRT is according both to it's own authors and to Malcolm himself, and Malcolm agreed with that definition. Then when pressed he tried to redefine CRT as 'teaching history'.
Bottom line CRT is bullshit.
They were waiting to be told what to think.
great point
Malcolm- “I’ll pay you $100 to come to a debate and clap at whatever I say!”
Malcom nance is seasoned with years of the English language. But comes to the table with a smile and a demeaning angle with maturity n facts 180 degrees behind.
You know you're debating an ignorant, unprepared individual when their only response is to laugh or smile and insult you. This guy was pathetic. 🤣🤣🤣
And try to use controversial statements and phrases like defund the police and “viruses”. The crowd just clapped and clapped because they heard those things 😂 bunch of sheep man idk anymore
shapiro acted like a pouting child
* as he uses laugh/smile emoji whilst insulting him. (Maybe prepare better next time and not be so ignorant?)
@@patrickmulroney9452 That is because he is the size of a pouting child!
@@patrickmulroney9452 you're proving the OPs point
“Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” Mark Twain
Sounds like something my dad used to say: don’t hang out with idiots, because if you’re smarter than them they’ll stoop you down to their level.
Lol. Thanks for the reminder
Mark Twain I agree but Ben Shapiro “ I will be laying in a bed with money “ Lmfao 🤣
Nance took a n L on this one!
@@MacenW My dad used to say if you walk with a donkey you can only become one and if you walk with a cripple.... and so on. Simple basic theories yet very true.
I love it when Ben roast someone so much and then they continue to start to making stuff up
Black privelege: being able to dump 5 non-sequiturs on a row on a televised debate without being boo-ed off stage.
His thesis was that Shapiro is misrepresenting critical race theory, that in fact for the most part the right is using it as a tool to suppress discussion of issues like the KKK and systemic, historical wealth imbalances. What's the non sequitur?
“You’re conflating CRT and history and it’s a cheap semantic trick and you know it”
“Well you suck”
This LITERALLY happened
its lefty brain
Ben was attempting redefine the debate using a semantic trick, and that why he got the “it sucks” because no one wants to play juvenile games with him. Ben is actually better than this, but he has trouble when starts pandering to a non genuine narrative. Malcom ready stated that Ben and many others have falsely demonized the issue. Because that is literally Ben’s job in life. Not speaking the truth but creating emotionally potent oversimplifications to divide this county on racial and economic lines.
@@SirSketchable I beg to differ. What he said makes sense, it's just not true.
Ben should have told him I AM POPULAR AND NO ONE HEARD OF YOU
When someone says to you “is this what you do on your show, cuz it sucks” it means they have no argument and you have won the debate.
Ben: describes CRT as dividing people in oppressed and oppressor
Malcolm : I agree with everything Ben just said
Bill : If its about dividing people into oppressed and oppressor; then I'm not for that
Malcolm : I don't think that's what CRT means
CRT is a legal theory they study in in law school lmao to say it’s sole purpose is to divide people up is a pretty autistic way of thinking. Just being honest.
Nobody said Black people are smart, and Malcolm proved it!!!
@@caprisunpapiiiiiiiii8296 has nothing to do with with dividing people it’s just a lens you can use to analyze history from a racial POV. It also leads to certain socio political beliefs buts it’s not “dividing people up” or whatever dumb shit you said
When he said he agreed and the audience applauded... he agreed that the ending of racial segregation was bad and just to benefit white people.. these people are absolute morons. NPC audience, worst I've seen on any of these types of talk show clips.
@@sabastian3022 you should reread my comment. Where exactly did I say it divides people?
Michael Nance proved himself a non serious person, and that is being polite.
“I will comfort myself tonight by sleeping on my bed made of money!!”
Yo Shapiro is a straight savage for that!
“ it’s odd that you criticize the meritocracy for being racist when you have done extremely well in it.”
(Silence)
“My great granddaddy was a slave”
(Applause)
Exactly
100. The audience only wants to listen to what they want to hear.
YES!! That guy is a joke. The scary part is an entire crowd soaking it up.
Yupe. Sums it up pretty well right there
Ya for real
I think even Bill is starting to think his audience is nuts. 🥜
you mean people are waking up? the leftist wave in bound. bet in a few years america will have socialized medicine.
@@mogar5764 If this is waking up, they must have gotten an hour of sleep last night.
@@trebberzings676 where do you get your news?
what is your defintion of CRT?
@@mogar5764 I get my news from a wide array of sites. Left, right, small, large. I like to have every angle I can get so that I can formulate my own opinion. I'm more of a moderate, I wouldn't even say left or right leaning. But it's pretty apparent, even to most leftists, that CRT is a pretty bogus teaching.
You ask me what the definition of CRT is like I wouldn't know? It's exactly what Ben said in this video, which is, in turn, exactly what Nance agreed with.
@@trebberzings676 lmao the enlightened centrist. i don't see many leftists here.
The audience just destroys all good things about this debate as they just cheer and clap for anything that sounds good. Malcolm accuses Ben of something that he has never said, and the audience goes crazy because it sounded great
This reminds me of the SpongeBob scene where the crowd claps for SpongeBob and is silent for Squidward.
Ben: makes a sound logical argument, silence
Malcolm: pulls some rhetorical line about his great grandpa that has nothing to do with anything, applause
Wow . The point that we don’t talk about these things proves Ben is full of shit . Great debater. But knowledgeable no
@PowerNO Grief you’ve got to be trolling 🎣
@PowerNO Grief then you seem to be incapable of knowing an argument when you hear one.
@PowerNO Grief Ben stated they both agree that America's racist history should be taught.
He just doesn't think they should mandate a BS sociology class on kids that's full of Marxist propaganda
@PowerNO Grief yeah true, ypu have to look into CRT to learn more bc this conversation broke down pretty quickly
Malcom went from AGREEING with Ben's definition of Critical Race Theory, to saying that the definition had been co-opted by the right and twisted into something it isn't. The double-speak is strong with this one.
I'm a right winger, but while the left is insane, the right is stupid, and most asshats do in fact get it wrong.
Ben gives a good, real definition of CRT here. It is monstrous, and what's beautiful is that the CRT goblin publicly endorses it shamelessly.
He says out loud that under CRT, the existence of a disparity, by itself, is evidence that said disparity is caused by discrimination. This is transparently retarded. Newton saw an apple move from a tree to the ground; saying that the existence of the movement is evidence that a force called gravity caused the apple to fall is as logical as saying that the existence of the movement is evidence that aliens caused the apple to fall; better evidence is needed and this is a dogshit epistemic standard.
CRT scholars never actually do the research to show that this is the case. They'll just point to something like an income gap, and point to all sorts of statistics on outcome differences, but never give proper evidence that discrimination is to blame because they're operating on a perverted version of critical theory which has descended into relativism.
@@particleman5893 this comment is gold, the Newton analogy had me dying lmao, had to give credit where it due
No, he went from agreeing and over to say that it is true. Malcom then lists reasons why he thinks the theory holds merit. Ben does not think the theory holds any merit.
@@patrickjensen9283 Ban said the theory is that every institution in America TODAY is racist.
Malcolm agreed.
Ben said we should not teach that.
Malcolm said "what? We shouldn't teach history?"
A theory about today is not the same as history.
@@patrickjensen9283 bro did you even watch the video?
Holy shit, this Malcolm guy is nuts, straight up bananas 😂😂😂😂
There is a reoccurring theme with these debate videos and it’s that one person has to fall back on personally attacking someone because they aren’t actually good at arguing their side.
Malcolm: "I agree with Ben on the definition"
Also Malcolm less than 10 minutes later: "Stop trying to redefine it, it's something completely different from what I just agreed on, you idiot"
hehe
I think you are making the opposite point of what you intended.
right!?!?!
@@carvedwood1953
Ben defined the term.
"Even things that are purportedly good in terms of race, so long as they uphold these broader systems- things like capitalism, or things like the meritocracy- these things are just guises for power. What this boils down to, in sort of practical terms, is any disparity equals discrimination."
Nance agreed to it.
Ben explained that the application of this definition would require Nance to sacrifice his own career, as he benefitted from a meritocracy which is something he agreed was a guise for white supremacy.
Then Nance said "my great great grandfather didn't fight in the civil war to hear this nonsense" or something.
So, no, I'm pretty sure the point Relo was making stands.
@@undeadman7676 yeah, no. Shapiro uses straw man arguments that mean nothing. Although they do a good job at convincing others that don't look at it critically.
Malcolm: "A week has 7 days."
Audience:"Wow!!! Impressive!! We didn't know.....let's clap 👏👏"
Actually it was more like:
Malcom: "Red crayons taste the best"
Audience: *thunderous applause*
More like "the week has ten days".
🤣🤣🤣 Exactly!
Shows the iq of the audience…. “Theyre not bringing their best” as the don would say 🤣🤣😭😭
Disagree with some of Shapiro’s antics and statements but the audience are sheep Clapping at the cartoonish nance
‘I agree with everything he just said.’
Cmon bro, you just couldve never described CRT as flawlessly and articulately as Ben did.
Malcolm reminds me of queen Latifa's character in 30 rock just going totally off topic in order to get applause lol
Malcom: "Excuse me for a second. I just need to get a sip of water."
Audience: Standing ovation
Right! 😂🤡 Bunch of clowns!
I'm black and they are pandering to the black man...just for laughs...and because of their left wing ideologies.
Sounding a little jealous...🤣
@@SheilaSmithPaparazzi is that what you think jealousy is? Lol... Alrighty then. 😂
😂🤣💀 I was just thinking that
It's scary when the crowd is cheering over dumb rhetoric.
That's is because they are the zombies!!!! Get ready for the zombie apocalypse!!!!!
@@georgetarbutton8752 you sound like you were part of the Insurrection on January 6th
I agree… But let’s be honest they did it at the Trump debates. All he did was take a page out of President Trump‘s book… A stupid page… because I completely agree with Ben. And I’m a huge fan of Ben for his well thought out arguments and points of view.
The thing is I look at Ben and Bill and if all of our government was more like them then things could get done… Because they understand that it’s not about sabotaging the other… You can come to a logical consensus
@@kelvinmack7104 "insurrection" lmao
@@valentinfranco6396 Logical consensus is a foreign concept these days
Mr. Nance was so lovely. Every smug eye roll and cutting off of both of the other men at the table was so polite. With how well he dodged some of these questions, he will most definitely be a presidential candidate one of these day based on how easily the audience falls for his bait.
Did we just watch the same debate? 😅 .. he had no proper argument on actually anything...then some manipulating tactic to bang on about his grand daddy...nauseating..and PS when you start insulting your opponent you've lost the debate.. your a poor arguer and have nothing concrete to talk about. Ben was kind jordan Peterson would of ripped him.apart..
@@rebeccacoleman8338smh oh my this went wayyyyy over your head
I skipped to 3:40 and bro is talking about his grandpa fighting in the civil war 💀😭
Malcolm is just arguing with himself and people are applauding.
It's kinda funny.. he says something that is 100% irrelevant and they just clap to support him.
Not sure what's more embarrassing, his nonsense or the audience clapping mindlessly. OK, it's a tie.
Bill Maher's audience isn't a smart group
Trained seals
@@machtnichtsseimann now just give lefties a helmet
If only Malcolm's arguments matched his unearned smugness.
So where exactly, was Malcolm incorrect or wrong?
Because you can draw a straight line to all the maladies to all the statistics Bill Maher mentioned. White people for the most part are interested in these facts because it doesn't impact them.
For example, blacks have been targeted criminally since emancipation. Slave and black codes to the present. John Ehrlichman in an 2016 interview said that was what the war on drugs was about. Look it up
@@scorpianbliz oh
Dude yes his level of smug was bothering me so bad. I know Bens blood had to be boiling
When Ben called him a liar he was projecting. Because that is the first line of conservative defense.
@m_train1 I gave you historical facts and context. If it is such bullshit, you should be able to refute it, but you did not refute a word I said, is that not right dummy....
"That's Texas" And now it's way more states.
When your opponent starts insulting you , you already won the debate.
Remember that scene in Family Guy where Lois has a debate when she’s running for Mayor and all she says is 9/11 and people go crazy with applause? That’s exactly what that felt like but in real life. Wow
😂😂😂😂
its a low bar to clear but republicans are struggling with it
hahahah thats exactly what this was. Can I get some like on this comment? No? 9/11 Was bad and puppies are cute.
L effing OL. So true!!!
This is a surreal time we live in. Scary really.
Ben literally defined CRT at which point Malcolm said he agreed with all of that then afterwards back peddles and said that he wasn’t defending CRT. THIS IS GASLIGHTING FOLKS
Ben gaslights people all the time when he debates them?
@@sophiajames6008 Reported for rape
@@sophiajames6008 Even supposing your comment is true, how does that make it ok for Malcolm to do it here? Especially when Ben was being reasonable in this discussion?
@@anastasia-fr1gn ben did the same thing
@@sophiajames6008 where
Ben started off by steelmanning CRT, and I thought we were going to have an adult conversation. To bad the other guy wasted the opportunity.
Nance seems to have the maturity level of a child
So basically same as Shapiro then. It's good to set up an even match
He has a punchable face and the way he talks the arrogance only makes me wanna do it more
He lost his shit at the end and resorted to a cheap shot and Shapiro came back with a better one.
@@politicaldebates123 you're talking about Ben's nasally prebuscent voice, right?
@@_audacity2722 wrong lefty
Ben: Explains in perfect detail what critical race theory is
Audience: Silent
Malcolm: I agree with everything
Audience: cheers and applauds
Someone described the audience as clapping seals and it’s such an accurate depiction. The live audience is the only reason I don’t watch him.
lefty audience
@@RobertZemeckis2025 ahh sryy people like rights and not white male superiority you probaly have zero political history knowledge
@@RobertZemeckis2025 it was indeed leftist audience.
perfect detail? come on
Ben Shapiro's voice is like Rebecca Black if she was missing a frontal lobe.
Me: *taking a very important test*
3:01 my last two braincells arguing about a pointless thing that happened hours ago
*Ben:* I have facts and logic !!
*Nance:* I have clapping seals.
Ben had facts, on which both Ben agreed. I am missing the logic part. Perhaps all non black people has a right not want to here the concerns of blacks, but it's going to be hard to convince black people that they should do the same.
Ahahaha you goon
No that I like Nance... but Ben belongs to a cult that mutilate children just because of a cheap and immoral delusion. Future generations will be amazed that these people were allowed on TV. It's sick.
Ben cherry picks his facts.
@@oommcc wait what!??? Just what???!
I'm left scratching my head of what Malcolm said. He completely agreed with Ben's definition of critical race Theory. Then he goes on to redefine it as just teaching history. What's even more puzzling is how the audience just went along with it. And that's why we have many of the problems we do today.
@ABM part is history and it should be thought as a fact not with opinion. Where CRT goes astray is when it teaches one group they are racist and oppressors by fact of birth and another that they will always be oppressed victims with no ability to advance on there own.
And then accuses Shapiro of using a hijacked definition! The guy is literally just going for rhetorical effect on an audience dumb enough to clap along.
@ABM Mate stfu, you’re the one who doesn’t know what they’re on about. YES, it is theory and history, when it should just be history. That’s the point. Especially when this particular theory is so terrible. It is an explicitly anti-liberal and anti-American theory. It uses magical thinking in place of rational argument, declaring the whole system to be racist despite being unable to point to parts of the system that engage in this racism, not having any legal basis on which to make such an assertion (only ever describing unequal outcomes, and just asserting that the cause of that inequality is racism). Kimberle Crenshaw explicitly states that she wants to promote Race Marxism in her book, but then acts all two-faced in television interviews, lying to people, telling them she just wants to continue the legacy of the Liberal Civil Rights movement.
Stefancic and Delgado make it crystal clear that their problem is with Liberalism. Derrick Bell promotes an image of America so wilfully pessimistic that the only solution presented is the total breaking down of the system and replacing it with something entirely different. In this respect it is a revolutionary ideology. That is a TOTALLY inappropriate thing to teach in schools.
So stop hiding the ball, and stop with the cheap moralising and smug race-card pulling. It’s a complete crock. When you say “whites are fearful”, you’re reducing people’s objections to something irrational. But CRT is detestable for completely rational reasons. Nonetheless, you say you understand why white people would be fearful, which is an acknowledgment of CRT’s anti-white bent. Yet still you support it? This alone is enough reason to oppose CRT. No Theory that promotes anti-whiteness (or anti-any-particular-race-ness) should be taught in schools. It’s as simple as that.
@ABM What planet are you living on? “Trump rallies”? A). I’m not a Trump supporter B). I’m not even American (i.e. I’m not wrapped up in the lazy partisan politics of Democrat/Republican propaganda. I just find this stuff offensive to basic rational sensibilities). C). Trump isn’t even the paradigmatic politician anymore.
I take it this childish response of yours, much like Malcolm Nance’s in the video, is being given because you have no argument.
@ABM You’re right, I was mistaken to assume that you gave a shit about anything you say being coherent or rational. After all, this is just about resentment isn’t. What you’re saying is not just racist against whites generally, it’s philosophically deranged. Truth isn’t a self-evident thing. It is something that has to be argued over and demonstrated. So yeah, when you make crazy claims I’m going to argue with you. Tough shit.
When someone is wrong and can't just humbly say "ah okay, I see your point"...they resort to insults and poking fun at their debate opponent to save face. Malcolm is doing this all over the conversation.
Why won't Ben Shapiro debate Candice Owens?
Isn't she kinda crazy and he'd lose that one because he talks too fast for his own good? In a very proper and structured debate format, he'd definitely lose.
Malcolm Nance: “I agree 100% with Ben’s definition of CRT”
Also Malcolm Nance “you’re hijacking the term CRT”
Yeah man he was all over the place and covering his poor argument with snide remarks...
@@RobD-jq7ry true
@@rilojenkins Yes, they established that. However, when Ben began to build an argument against Nance's notion of what he stood for. Nance started deflecting and barraging him with insults before he could get it out.. Are you really not seeing that?
Actually what he means is it was defined properly. However, the way that it is presented to many people has been changed. If you listened to his definition vs what Maher perceived it as, then you have 2 different things. There is systemic racism that does need to be corrected and in order for that to happen, history must be taught correctly with less bias. But what white people are hearing is that they must agree to hate themselves and apologize for slavery. All of this because some white people are afraid they are losing power which clearly is impossible.
@@alexrose8299 Well said!
I love how no one really clapped when Mr. Shapiro did his segment but as soon as Malcom says "I agree with that" everyone claps. Bruh moment.
Mr Shap is a moeron
@@MrHamtits he’s a real sharp guy.
@@MrHamtits "moeron", by the way.
It’s because Maher’s main base agrees more with Malcolm then Ben so they’re going to cheer for him.
Maybe they were applauding at "at last some fucking peace". I know I would.
This is when Bill is at his best.
Why did they put a 3 year old infront of the canned laughter button
Malcom never once addressed anything that Ben brought up, he just started a whole different topic every single time. And he does it with such a smug smirk on his face because he’s doing it on purpose.
Liars always smile when they are lying and Malcolm smiled A LOT
Thats what i was thinking
@@slime-e3989 They also avoid eye contact and use dismissive language in order to deflect the truth bombs being lobbed in their direction.
and cos he has claps. he's doing it for his pride to be fluffed
It's bc he knows Ben is 10 times smarter than he is.
In the world of debate you know you’ve won when your opponent starts relying on insults rather than substance.
love how ben stood his ground to that. much respect for him
@@mannyv99 assuming that something is an "out-growth" of CRT is NOT standing your ground.
@@Mr._Moderate he never assumed tho, he was just laying out facts.
@@mannyv99 CRT is a button issue now that just about anything can be an "outgrowth" of CRT. Doesn't mean it is though. It's more plausible that it's linked to economics and/or politics
it's not factual just because Shapiro said it
@@mannyv99 bed made of money
OH SHIT “I will comfort myself tonight by sleeping on my bed made of money” Ben Shapiro just shut that dude down hard 😂😂😂😂
ah yes, gotta love being so unable to use "Facts and logic" that you gotta just say "well, i got more money than you, so hah"
This is a good example of why Ben Shapiro comes off as smart but any of us could argue against points that are dumb
I'm not the biggest Shapiro fan but his job just keeps getting easier every day.
How he got so triggered here, he didn’t even respond to Malcom towards the end. He just got angry just like in the BBC interview lol.
@@cliffspringer8084 BBC Same as CNN . I would have left 10 minutes earlier. The BBC was literally only trying to do the Gotcha News Crap like,: (8 years ago, you said this part of a sentence in a speech). so we need to admit that Dem always party of jim crow
@@cliffspringer8084 Ben didnt know on that BBC show that the point was to withstand insulting situations, here that’s not the point. So you can call Ben out for being triggered, but you cant call him out for being wrong, certainly not more than Malcom.
@@RobertZemeckis2025 you know that the guy that interviewed Ben on BBC is a hardcore Thatcher conservative right?
@@Moredakkamus Neil talked bad about trump and ann coulter on 2016 election day watch bbc election coverage Neil was upset with Ben because Neil is pro choice.
no he is not conservative .
Malcolm acts like a child. I’m quite appalled.
ya
He acts as someone with immense privilege. He has power over the other two people in the discussion and he knows it.
Black privilege. It's real.
What do you mean?
This guy thinks "defund the police" was (in his words) hijacked to mean defund the police.
Malcom gets outclassed into oblivion. Audience: "Whoooooooo!!"
This black man sure knows how to shut down an argument by just claiming racism.
"Your show sucks"
Who else is hearing about Michael Nance for the first time today?
Who? Oh wait, I don't care.
I'll never reference Nance in political debate nor will I buy anything he ever says.
Never knew who he was beforehand but he is desperately trying to 1up Ben to sell books and get internet famous. Hes trying way to hard and he completely over thought his approach and position and over-managed the minimal debate time for his own personal gain and cred.
He's utter garbage and I'm glad everyone sees it.
@@ActuatedGear he is joke
@@RobertZemeckis2025 Jokes are supposed to be funny. I don't like that avant-garde shit. That was just sad.
Agreed. I also think Ben's response was not classy and quite beneath him.
"Do you have merit or not Malcom"
"Well you know my great great grandfather"
I laughed.
Yeah that was pretty pathetic. You can tell the only thing he did to prepare for the debate was plan to tell that story, or he would have waited for a logical time to tell it, but all he could do was avoid question, deflect with anecdote, hurl unfounded slander. And you can tell someone is down there with an applause sign for the audience, telling them when to react. Pitiful.
ya
@@cheryllwaldrop9732 your just mad he smashed ben. Hahaha
Yes - what a fool Malcom is.
yes
This was hilarious. Ben and Bill on the same side and Malcolm was completely lost and had no idea what he was talking about. I could only think of this response "At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
I'm an African American and I agree with Bill Maher views on CRT
The entire point of this conversation was to clarify what Critical Race Theory is and it utterly failed. Not a Shapiro fan but Nance really dragged the argument into an entirely emotional domain.
Well people aren’t robots and when you get tired of certain people questioning your humanity, you would be emotional too.
But you can’t understand or relate.
@@Based_Proletariat If you're such an emotional nitwit then maybe don't come on a show where you know you are going to have to "defend your humanity" which is an exaggeration but oh well....
@@Based_Proletariat because they’re white? Is that why they can’t understand?
@@Based_Proletariat you just did what Nance did. "question your humanity" gtfoh
Uhh for the past four years we had to listen to Trump drag everyone in “an entirely emotional domain” so spare us your whining.
Malcolm at the start agrees with Ben's explanation of what CRT is and states he's for it, then later denies that he is for CRT that he's just for history.
Good observation
Nance knew he lost this time … ad hominem attacks seems to be his only reply.
Childish.
Ben obviously knew what he was talking about and Malcom was left with only ad hominem attacks, like “your show suck, brah.”
@@Zirkuh Ben typically does. Like him or not the dude is well versed. Most others have talking points where as he hits you with painful facts. I wasnt a fan of him at first but damn he is really good at telling it like it is
You have poor comprehension skills. What Malcolm was saying was CRT shouldn't be taught in regular schools. As it stands CRT is only taught in Law School period. Anyone saying it taught anywhere else is lying. He was agreeing that it shouldn't be taught in High School or Elementary schools.
Here's the thing, there are going to be some people in marginalized groups that are able to avoid the statistics, but the reality of the situations is the statistics. To Shapiro point, let's not just look at how they tested, let's look at how they tested compared to the resources they were given, one kid might have a tutor, and books at home, and a calculator, and another kid might not have any of that and might need to take care of his brothers and sisters to get his family by...so let's assess who tested better given the resources they had, I'd love to hear him respond to that.
Malcolm tries so hard to avoid eye contact.
I genuinely think Bill is smarter than his audience and that's tragic. Most of the people in the audience had made up their minds on when to clap before even hearing the argument.
The audience are not even listening. They are partisan and will applaud for whomever they believe is on their side, regardless of what they actually say.
He is inL.A. so his audience will share left
lol of course he is. The masses are MORONS
Bill has had a massive racial blind spot for years. He’s buddy buddy with a bunch of dubious to say the least bad faith actors in the conservative movement. If conservatives weren’t such sticks in the mud about sex and drugs he’d be a conservative. He just another willfully obtuse middle aged white guy who god forbid you have to be uncomfortable about a subject and listen to what people are telling you.
I loved the short but sweet no audience time.
The crowd is so biased. Only clapped for Malcolm even when he literally had no argument with substance. You can tell even Bill was peeved.
This crowd are probably the same morons saying that this Biden administration is doing a great job.🤦♂️
You got that right . I wish the cameras will have turn towards the audience and see the people who were clapping only for Maicon...... my assumption will be pretty accurate of the type of audience that was there..... isn’t Malcom??
I heard claps for both of them
because theyre told when to clap. duh
They edit in the clapping and laughter after the fact.
Those statistics are a direct result from the actions and culture by the people who are being in the group. It's not because of their race. It's because of their choices.
Ben and Bill were absolutely correct in their assessment and commentary within this segment. If you’re going to teach CRT in schools, and thus be overly fixated on race, then it’s not worth teaching. Furthermore, if this is meant to be an attempt to make other non-black races feel bad over something they had no control over, then that is yet another reason to not teach CRT. I understand slavery was a horrible event in our country’s past, however, if we’re going to play the “Which Race Should You Feel Bad For” game then black people should get in line right behind Native Americans and Mesoamericans 💯
I was excited to listen to a debate about this topic and instead we just got one side looking for applause over having a thoughtful discussion. As a liberal this is just one more in the ever increasing pile of recent embarrassments over being a liberal. Ben was brave coming on this show, and came looking to have a respectful debate, and instead he just got a smug PoS basking in applause he didn't earn. Bill has been losing his audience more and more recently to the point where he openly calls them idiots... I think he's feeling the embarrassment too.
I really respect you for being honest. I’m a Libertarian Conservative. Or, some call it Classical Liberal. But it’s decidedly a “Right-Wing” moniker now.
Anyways, I really respect you staying routed enough to acknowledge what actually happened in this video. Did it change your mind on anything regarding CRT?
I considered myself liberal for many years. In recent years my views haven’t changed that much, but the goal posts have.
Agreed. Very frustrating watching this, but then again I've never heard a good defence for racial segregation and prejudice, which is at the core of CRT.
Sidenote; Bill has mocked his audience for decades, because they often like horrible ideas that are politically correct, even when they're obviously iliberal.
as a hard core conservative i was surprised at how ben's "argument" lacked substance. it appeared malcolm, as much as a despise liberals, was able to easily parry both ben and bill and score effective points. both ben and bill seemed to eager to be aggrieved and ended up falling flat on their faces.
@@michaelj6392 Most people don't change in their views, however, the margins of classification of those views frequently do.