Advanced Flags Removed? Tuners Fixed?! Here’s The Truth - GTA 5 Fact-Finding №40
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0:00 - Current Misconception
0:49 - What Has Changed?
3:32 - An Unintended Consequence?
6:28 - Effects On Performance
8:13 - Retesting Plans
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Rockstar devs watching this video be like: "Damn, this guy knows our game better than we do."
Think fresh blood work on gta online updates and they do it in right direction. With mistakes but who among us hasn't been wrong?)
I hope the next fixes and winter update will also take into account the opinions of players who have been suffering from neglected problems for years
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Well, I don’t think that they directly destroyed it, but the fact that there was no attention due to the requests of the players is for sure. I don’t think it’s worth it to hate previous teams, but newcomers show themselves better at the start.
It really feels like that, doesn't it?
I bet most of the work from a Update is made by outsourced teams like the Trilogy Remasters
@@angrysocialjusticewarrior send the addy leftist
I think the side-effect was simply missed. They missed enabling the Terrorbyte business missions in closed sessions too. I imagine there's other bits missed too.
As usual.
Also ability to choose to do air freight cargo land missions from terrorbyte right now they all default to air missions.
One thing that happened that wasn’t noticed. I am part of a Hotring community and we race these things religiously. Race them on remade real world ovals, have our own series and everything. We need to do slipstream on big tracks or else it just turns into choo-choo train racing and it’s really boring, so we slipstream to spice it up. Before this update, the slipstream was decently strong but it wasn’t absurd (You don’t go literally flying past people). It worked for what we wanted. Now the slipstream is a lot more similar to the rest of the cars on GTA. Mega slipstreams you build up and gain a half a second or more on somebody. I mean it is what it is and we will have to deal with it, Maybe drop down to running the stock on the big tracks just keep the slipstream in check and not have to deal with the single file line of boredom. But it is kind of crazy that what essentially comes down to the gearing ratio of the Hotring has created MUCH stronger slipstream.
I’m from the dirt racing community and I’ll say the outlaw 4 cylinders and now bombers are broken thanks to the Ellie being fixed and flash gt, gb200,Jester classic, Michelli gt. The late models are better though tbh
Yeah that's a bit unfortunate, especially since it seems on paper that this helps the Hotring immensely. Too bad it can't handle like the irl NASCARs so handling is more of a factor and causes more runs and losses on corner exits and such, and maybe even more top speed so braking into corners or coasting is more of a factor. I guess that's about how we all want the open wheel cars to handle as well, where they need more top speed and less cornering ability so the racing is improved.
@@MattChaffe You should try running the hotrings on low grips. Braking into corners, corner exit speed matters and higher top speeds to I think. Though it is an absolutely HUGE learning curve especially for an entire crew.
Edit: I haven’t tried it but I imagine it’ll be a blast with the indycars too
@@jackarmstrong7285 I was thinking the same thing, I'll definitely have to try it! Unforunately I haven't played GTA Online in a while and don't have a Series X, but I'll probably start playing it on PC now that most things can be done in private/crew/friend lobbies finally.
I'm interested in joining this community if it's open.
My man. Thanks for explaining this. I was super excited to see they fixed this on tuners, but iI wasn't sure what was going on with the other cars.
*As of the Drug Wars DLC in December 2022, this has been fixed and these cars are no longer broken in this way.*
*Some Notes*
1) I forgot to mention this applies to the Viseris too, which received the same AHF that the Tuners got to fix its ridiculous speed when originally released.
2) They likely didn't remove the flag entirely, instead choosing to change it, because it still limits the potential top speed of the Tuners when they're in a lowered stance setup.
3) There are reports coming out that for the cars with the flag that were "forgotten" by Rockstar (eg. Jester Classic), it's possible to reach ridiculous top speeds by applying low grip tyres and handbrake boosting. The overrev flag stops the cars from shifting up so they just constantly boost for as long as you can keep them going straight. Rockstar will now for sure patch this in future, if they weren't planning to already just on the basis of what's in this video, so I'll probably wait for any retesting of these vehicles until after that.
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Pay attention to the rpm in standard cars (traffic and not only) now they also feel faster, but the maximum speed +- remains the same.
Played on PC Steam. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't remember such traffic redlines.
There's already a chance to remove these flags entirely, and they have to. Since it was bad (not just bad, it also worst) for business. And also in order to make a better experiment test results for the future GTA 6.
Exactly my thoughts with the first 2 points. It was their intent to fix the low-grip tires + stanced super speed with the Tuners anyway, this tweek with the AHF is more inline with it while maintaining/restoring the driftability of the cars.
I can't thank you enough for creating this video- I never knew about handling flags, in general!
I doubt they will patch the jester. You need low grip tires, so it's not practical at all. It's fast on a long smooth straight surface, but thats it. If anything it's just a fun drifting car now and no that should not be removed from the game at all.
That explains why my Flash GT was backfiring so much yesterday, I hadn't driven it in months before yesterday and was like "wait this is really weird" but it all make sense now. Thanks for explaining everything and keep up the amazing content Broughy, I wish you all the best.
I purchased the flash gt just bcoz of the backfiring I like the backfiring after each gear change and the flash gt can go crazy speeds now
The wheelie mechanic in muscle cars were heavily affected and now unfortunately can’t get its full potential wheelie. Don’t know the science behind it as most muscle cars do not have AHF, however the gearing when performing a wheelie were significantly changed and you can no longer perform a proper wheelie. I know most aren’t bothered or even care about this mechanic, but there’s an entire community that relies and has enjoyed wheeling, mainly drag racing.
Anyways thanks for clearing this up much appreciated🙏
04:40 this is really interesting because, although these cars might still be underperforming for races, they might now be ideal for the drifting community.
If they rev up quickly but don't shift into higher gears quickly, that might be an improvement for those who want to experiment with low grip tyres etc..
People have already said that the Jester classic is really good drift car now. Have not tested myself but I am still happy that car gets positive attention
@@varski76 yeah I'm literally watching a video of hella-flush, fan-girling over the Jester Classic right now lol
The Jester Classic is not just a great drifting car now, it can actually do the handbrake boost infinitely as long as you can keep accelerating it.
So yeah...Enjoy it while it lasts.
@@pedinhuh16 lol yup I can see R* patching this soon. How dare we have actual fun!
As always bruff, outstanding analysis 👏
We'd be lost without ya! Keep it up Brough 😁
you're forgetting about stancing tuners in the interaction menu, which is the reason why r* didn't remove the flag completely. for example, the calico could reach 190mph at 60 fps without low grip tires.
Yeah I forgot to mention that. Mentioned it on stream yesterday then forgot it for the video. Though if they bring the E&E fps fix to PC then they won't even need to worry about that either.
Also there's still the hard cap at about 180mph for these flagged cars, you see it in action specially on stunt races with big downhill slopes.
@@pedinhuh16 if you're basing that off digital in-car speedos those won't display speeds above 180mph for some reason (even if the car is going faster)
@@Johnny362000 I'm basing it on the analog speedos.
Get a Jester Classic, Tezeract and Taipan downhill, the analog speedos will lock at 180mph.
You will also see that the other cars will overtake you and simply keep going while your car stays behind, but only on those slopes.
@@pedinhuh16 analogue speedos are notoriously inaccurate, and the fact that those are stopping at 180 suggests they have the same limit at the digital ones
The Koenigsegg 1:1 (Entity XXR) is one of my favorite cars in the world, and I’m still disappointed on how R* absolutely butchered it. I always felt like it could’ve been one of the best Super Cars on vanilla GTA but I guess we’ll never truly know with these handling flags
Yes it’s so frustrating
I say it’s more of an Agera RS than the 1:1
Though I definitely prefer the 1:1 over the rest of the Agera lineup
its an absolute banger now in tunnel heavy stunt races (easy 200mph)
Best content creator in the racing world of GTA. Thank you for everything you do, every video of yours makes me smile.
Thanks for always bringing us this videos broughy
Always love these fact finding and discussion videos. Thanks Brough!
Thank you very much for the research sir. The insane over revs on the Jester Classic got extremely annoying really fast. Then realized the bouncy suspension flag might not be removed when Jester classic hit a bump and nearly front flipped.
Thank you. I learn a lot from your channel. I avoid buying unnecessary, underwhelming cars by watching your videos.
Thank you so much for explaining all of this. We can only hope that they'll listen this time.
Another classy video with quality, factual, useful information. Thanks Broughy
Great video as always Broughy
Thank you broughy for laying out these issues ive been watching u since i got the game and have been watching u ever since👍
Cheery Brough, good video as always :)
Currently the Jester Classic with Low Grip tires has unlimited handbrake boost & can reach insane speeds if you can somehow manage to control it (very hard to keep it straight)
Thanks for all this info and testing and stuff.
Thank you R* for fixing this. I pretty much HBB all my cars all the time. It was sad that you could not do that after Tuners patch.
Thank you for all you do Broughy, and I 100% your decision on not retesting until you're sure Rockstar won't revert.
Very informative thank you for sharing your findings as always
The jester classic with low grip tires and double clutch (handbrake boost) gets the awd speed glitch due to the flags and can literally max out the speedometer in the car on a long enough straight
when you put bandiads and the corners of a bandaid to make the original bandaid stick
but then it still falls off
I thought you were taking a break from GTA content like this? o.o Either way im glad you didnt and thankyou from the thousands of people that will watch this to understand what those fancy words mean
Thanks for this breakdown, it will so much easier to point people here than to try to explain it.
Good ol' Broughy, keeping the information straight for us all. Good ol' Rockstar, not seeming to understand their own cars. 🤷♂️
Thanks Broughy have a great day
Thanks Broughy! Always appreciate your content. It seems from the patch notes there was some intention with changing even the older cars
Glad to see the issue explained properly. It's a shame R* didn't bother to check any other car with the flag.
For me I like the Jester Classic but that engine dragging ruins its flow of the drive.
I appreciate the videos!
I stole the Entity XXR off the Streets for export and it hang unnaturally at max revs while popping every gear change. This is exactly what happened as you explained. Perfect sense now.
really thanks to the explanation, it's clear and easy to understand!
I noticed my Viseris handling waaaaay better post update. Driving from Paleto Bay to LS, just past the airport I noticed I was taking corners at full speed that previously would have ended with me in the ocean. I’m happy, it used to be my favourite car
Whatever changes were made to the Calico GTF that made it impossible to make all the jumps in the Big Drop stunt race is still in effect.
Noticed the change in the Jester classic the most. It's felt like the character didn't know how to drive the car anymore, banging the redline 1>2>sometimes 3rd gear.
Thanks for this Bruffster. The Flash GT is one of my faves, I hope that its still in one piece.
Do you have the i-Wagen on your re-test list since it got its engine upgrade now?
It is now. Good spot. I'd never have known about that.
The jester classic feels like a whole other car it’s a lot more fun to drive now(I kinda enjoy the maxing of the gears tbh)
Terrorbyte is also glitched. You can’t source cars and crates or resupply businesses from it. It says “Join a Public Session”. But you can still access these options at respective business
Fab video, Broughy! Thanks. ..I own the Swinger, Michelli, Issi Classic & Cheburek, but primarily for their looks or citeness factor only.
...what would fix a lot of issues..would be a manual shift option. it'd make the game so much more enjoyable..
either just vibing & cruising, or racing. that & a posi or sure grip rear axel option in all cars.
The new Bravado Greenwood is fabulous! A late 70's Dodge Coronet/Monaco (With early 70's Chrysler Imperial taillights, I think?) :D
Such a classic cruiser & feels so natural..no bad manners at all. Love it!
A manual shift option would completely break the racing meta in very stupid ways
I was just looking for this video and it's only been uploaded a minute ago, lol
I have noticed that cars react to bumps differently, like the suspension is softer and that rebound is slower and causes more understeer. It's an interesting effect to say the least.
I do enjoy a good old fact finding video
They should remove all handling flags. I've actually been driving the Viseris. I want to mention that the viseris and the Dominator ASP both had the same feel before the new dlc where they felt heavy and sluggish now they feel loose and its crazy.
thx Broughy!
With the nullification of this flag the cars now have a much better, louder acceleration noise than what they where before, notable with the Hotring Sabre in this video. I'm just glad that all these vehicles & the Tuners now can maintain constant wheelspin for potential drifting.
Fantastic breakdown and thanks for the information. It'd be really nice if we could get a widespread push to remove all of the negative advanced handling flags for every car. Hopefully Rockstar notices the want of change from the community and eventually comes to fix it.
Been there done that years ago, it went nowhere. As expected.
you're the first person I've ever seen to specify the _bad_ ones. Thank you
How are the Open Wheel vehicles with Low Grip Tyres affected by different wings? Is Top Speed/Acceleration affected in the same way as without the LGT, or is there not much of a difference with them ("them", again, being the different wings)
Fact finding videos are my favorites
Please don't leave gta broughy, we need you🙏🌟❤️
The noise coming from the XXR made me laugh. That's absolutely ridiculous.
Ikr. I've been doing auto shop customer tunings since yesterday and when I had to deliver an XXR, I was like "wtf is going on with this car now" lol
Broughy you should checkout the bug on the Mk4 Supra (Jester Classic) if you put lowgrips on it and HBB it will wheelspin forever and hit speeds of 300mph!
Can those cars get bumped up to the next gear through short shifting, or does it just bog them down?
Super informative ty
The fix is good for tuners and they can handbrake boost once more, but they're unable to go above a certain speed now. It still kinda feels like they were neutered in the speed department and honestly, if they wanted to avoid the stance and low grip tires from causing high speeds, they could've made a simple check that looks for stance and or low grip tires on the car and soft-cap the speed only if those aforementioned things are applied. Instead, it seems like they've globally soft-capped the speed regardless of the setup to avoid it entirely. Kind of a low-effort fix if you ask me. Hopefully the tuner cars get the HSW treatment in E&E, as well as E&E being brought over to PC.
Also I've come to notice that if you handbrake-boost the cars with the additional flags (i.e the Jester Classic) with Low Grip Tires, the car permanently stays at redline, making it constantly boost itself to ridiculous speeds
I've also seen this reported. My plan to not retest seems more solid now. There's no way Rockstar will be leaving them in this state.
@@broughy1322 good call, and I bet R* won't take long to mess with these cars again.
All they gotta do is delete the flag that doesn't let them shift up properly, hopefully they won't screw this up.
Noticed the gb200 was driving differently earlier.
Think the backfiring whilst driving just makes the cars sound broken irl..
Backfiring? Isn't that just the turbo anti-lag?
@@Freezorgium no. Two different things.
Antilag doesn't happen when your accelerating.
As a drifter, i can tell that low grip tires on every single car changed a lot the results instead the only suspension breaking glitch, and by the way low grip tires + suspension break glitch can bring even more different results. So yeah, theres a lot of study around the new parameters of calibration in the game. If they will last for long? I also dont know.
My only and biggest down side so far is that max turning angle lock has decreased, its around now on 30º, more or less. I don´t know if can be fixed with diferent kind of suspensions or wheel type, but sacrifice angles is not a good thing.
Steering lock is defined per-car. Unless LGTs change that. Most have around 40 with some getting up to the low 50s and some getting down to the low 30s
Great vid
the hotring is so much fun now
Listening to the XXF suffering like that gives me chills...
I can't say with any confidence that it's not just placebo, but the Vamos and Tulip seem to feel a lot better to drive after the update. I'm relatively sure Rockstar didn't do anything to the toe angles that made these cars randomly change direction when going over bumps, but they're a lot easier to handle ( or at least feel that way ) on PC.
i drove my vamos after the update and feel the opposite. it almost flipped on its roof when going around a corner.. i don't remember it being like this.
i'm also on pc.
Can you make a setting on the website for the people on the older consoles (ps4 & xbox 1) that removes hsw vehicles and such that isnt available on these consoles?
already available-
Acquisition Source > Conversion at Hao's Special Works > Remove from selection
wait so can you negate that overrevving thing by shortshifting? cuz that would "fix" it entirely
Hay can u test the comet s2 I feel like it's slower than befor and that's with out the low grip boost. It's like when it get to last gear it's like it can't excelerate but it wants to
The video, did you watch it?
Thank you
I love how the Tezeract has this flag even though it only has 1 gear
The Jester Classic immediately has felt better, but man I really hope they remove the secondary flag(s). The few times I've used it on Homecoming really spoiled me with how good the car really can be. Now if they'd just add it (and things like the original Futo and Warrener, which perform negligibly different than their tuner counterparts) to the class I'd be wicked happy!
Have you tried letting off the gas at the top of the gear? Maybe it will shift quicker
"The misconception is that R* removed all advanced handling flags"
Well, I'm sure as glad I only watch your content to have not even known that was something the community had been believing 😂 Glad to trust you when it comes to these fact finding videos and testing that you do.
They need to add nicknames so the cars are easier to find like I have no idea what half my faves are called off hand I can’t remember the new camaro (yet) hasn’t been added yet but be in my main garage so I will remember but nickname would help us know our top open wheel car
You the man, Brough.
i'm not sure if this was mentioned in any of your videos, but the Picador got new modifications in this update, including a spoiler, which would increase its performance right?
Read community post from yesterday (linked in pinned comment of yesterdays video too)
Randomly brought my Swinger out to cross the city... it's a good change.
very informative however i’m pissed my s2 can’t go 160 anymore
For some reason the Tezeract feels grippy and RSX as well feels like it has the downforce now and might be king or maybe just placebo 🤷🏼♂️
the RSX would be miles different, would not feel like a placebo
I can't thank you enough for creating this video-
Also, does anyone know where he obtains the information about the handling flags? Is this from analysis of game code, or a barrage of testing?
a mixture of both
@@Johnny362000 ah, that's good to know, thank you. Also, would there be any other youtube channels you recommend to learn more about car functionality within GTA 5? (How Downforce, Suspension, Wheelspin, etc. affect racing)
So the tezeract with no engine souned is a win win NICE :)
The Tezeract only has 1 gear, so this flag doesn't have any effect on it anyway.
Just watched this video while waiting for the Entity XXR to be delivered in my garage lol. Is the Entity XXR good or should I sell it?
No. Keep the car with you. Even with these changes explained, it performs too much better than before. It reaches very high speeds while kerb boosting and is more competitive in races!
For me, it sounds funny that the Swinger isn't that good. That's my weapon of choice against Turismo and Infernus Classics on twisty classic sports cars races. But any improvement on anything is always welcomed!
Theoretically the Turismo and Cheetah are better than the Swinger but ig the Swinger fits your racing style better so you feel comfy at racing it
was the itali RSX one of them? i noticed it won’t shift to the last gear until away later in a top speed race
no, the Itali RSX has different issues
Nope, try using it with stock transmission though.
Wondered why my gb200 was popping its arse off!
Literally just sold my Dominator GTX because of how annoying the constant red-lining was.
Hey man since flags are debuffed does this change places the lap time countdown list like is taipan faster and higher on the list?
8:56
@@DiNmiTe thx
Well... as I have experimented, some of thw SSASSS cars may get better possitions on their own lists... like the Tyrant, which now is more competitive in any supercar race...
the case of the Taipan is; even with the flags removed, it will still be one of the worst supercars to drive, like the 811... the only strong poing will be the top speed, which it may sets over 130 mph all the time.
Thank u
Finally I can drift with the futo again 😁
It would be really interesting to see rockstar allow manual transmissions in this game, would be really interesting to see how different or better these cars would perform if the shifting was in the hands of the driver
you would completely ruin the racing meta with the dumbest tech you've ever seen
Jester classic is a mess now, but better
Broughy, you said in a video with DarkViperAU that Cayo Perico isn't the best money method (pre-patch). Wondering if you'd share your money making method for this new update??
I seen youre lvl 999 for the car meet, is it something to do with auto shop etc?
his main money making method before was afk nightclub sales, now he has such a massive bank balance he's not that worried about money
I think for Hotring Sabre its meant to give it this lazy V8 low redline sound. Without the fla git sounds just wrong. They should find a way to to affect the sound independently from performance
They _can_ affect the sound independently from the performance. Quite easily, in fact
With the redlining gear changes, can’t we just shortshift to combat that or does it not change anything?
Shortshift? This is GTA, there is no manual transmission.
Unless you're saying to downshift, but that's the inverse of what you want the car to do.
@@pedinhuh16 shortshifting was discovered years ago and it’s been used in competitive racing since
@@Lynxybomb i just looked it up, my bad I had no idea this was a thing.
I'll be trying this tonight, it might be the awnser to make these cars drive better, but to be honest we can be sure that R* will mess with these cars again because of the new speed glitch going on.
Now, if they can just get some cars to drive naturally and not look like the tires are on ice skates, that would be great.
Need your tier system implemented before most of these vehicles get used by the general public. It's not a pressing issue until then.
I always want to play but then I remember they patched all the merges, but the real reason I lost interest was that weird revving flag
does that mean the viseris can mid drive now?