Off the Top: Genelec 8381A

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  • čas přidán 15. 05. 2023
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  • @ErinsAudioCorner
    @ErinsAudioCorner  Před rokem +32

    Edit: This isn't my first video back. I posted a new review of Triad's Gold LCR last week but it apparently didn't land on everyone's feed. Check it out in the link below:
    czcams.com/video/gNKs0Dj2v5E/video.html
    I'm trying a new idea out. An "off the top" discussion about new designs or other things that I find interesting as they come to the market. Not a review, just a discussion. Let me know if you guys like this kind of thing.

    • @Finite-Tuning
      @Finite-Tuning Před rokem

      I hate to bring 10 elephants to trample one parade, but if discussion is what you seek, everybody loves to talk about sound. It is an endless discussion for or against, why you should or should not, and everybody with a keyboard has an opinion. Again, we're 100% with ya, but finding the others willing to talk about logically without getting emotionally tied and confrontational as in just every forum everywhere! Well good luck, but this CZcams is as good a place as any.
      Cheers 🍻

    • @fx-studio
      @fx-studio Před rokem

      Would be interesting if you could cover Alcons ribbons/ speakers especially as they are in the same pro market as Genelec. Here are a set in my studio - czcams.com/video/vB1oQhc-5Po/video.html

    • @-MarkWinston-
      @-MarkWinston- Před rokem +1

      Love it!

    • @davidcarr2216
      @davidcarr2216 Před rokem

      Informative, as always Erin 👍👍

    • @ErinsAudioCorner
      @ErinsAudioCorner  Před rokem

      @Douglas Blake I have. I just posted a Triad speaker review with full measurements last week. I think a lot of people somehow missed that. czcams.com/video/gNKs0Dj2v5E/video.html

  • @mikegoddard7354
    @mikegoddard7354 Před rokem +40

    For us people that love audio and want to learn, this is great content; especially from manufacturers with reputable data. It also saves you the huge effort, but clearly this is limited but if there's more information like this i personally would love to see it. since we all know rarely do we get this much data outside of pro audio

    • @ErinsAudioCorner
      @ErinsAudioCorner  Před rokem +6

      I don't want to make this a thing with all speakers so I'll limit it to the ones that I find interesting and I'll try my best to be able to follow up with a real review. Unfortunately, in this case I think the speakers are just way too large for me to ever measure and I'm not really sure I see the point given their extreme price and the fact that Genelec has published their own data that is "enough" to help.

  • @willburrito9710
    @willburrito9710 Před rokem +3

    The reason the 5” drivers are slightly dome shaped is to keep the boundaries of the waveguide as smooth as possible. If there were deep geometric discontinuities, the on and off-axis response would suffer.

  • @harristong6127
    @harristong6127 Před rokem +20

    I love this format! Your off the top explanations are thoughtful and seem scientifically sound, it's not just regurgitation or speculation.

  • @oliverbeard7912
    @oliverbeard7912 Před rokem +8

    Nice to see you back Erin.Stay well and keep up the good work.Enjoy your content,especially when you dive deeper into the nuts and bolts of different designs and brands.

  • @danskebassister22
    @danskebassister22 Před rokem +2

    Sooooo good to see you back, Erin. I much appreciate your honest approach to what happened and can only assure you a bright future. As a former audio-journalist on printed media - and having been through the same process as yours in my private life - I promise you that you get a lot of strength after walking through that path and process. Thanks for your honesty and great work on this site.

  • @fredygump5578
    @fredygump5578 Před rokem +7

    I'm making this [almost] exact speaker! And I'm hoping to take it to Dayton Audio speaker competition this year...just gotta finish the final cabinets! I was loosely copying the W371A...then added a 12" coaxial...but decided to not have the sloping back.. To me it looks like they are fixing all the design conflicts/ limitations of the W371A. For example, when trying to copy their design, it became clear that the cabinet volume of the W371A really isn't large enough. I couldn't find drivers like the ones they are using that could do what I wanted/ expected them to be doing within that cabinet volume! The front facing woofer on the W371A can't go low enough, atleast not without being pushed by DSP. The ported subwoofer section just doesn't play that low because box size and port length.
    On this new speaker, they chose an actual subwoofer driver in the front. This is important, because atleast in my interpretation of the design, that front driver needs to extend down to ~45hz. Down to 45hz allows them to use DSP tuning between all the low frequency drivers to get flat low frequency response. It is multiple subwoofers, without having a bunch of subwoofers placed around the room. In my case if I tune it using delays, little to no EQ is needed to get flat low frequency response. But it is worthy of noting that when I experimented with 4 subs that all play down to 30hz or below, I get a huge peak from 30-40hz that I have to aggressively EQ. But if 2 of the 4 low frequency drivers roll off by ~45hz, that peak disappeared. It may not be universally true, but I think it is interesting.
    I'm by no means an expert at speakers, but this design seems to be confirmation of the principles I've been pursuing for the last year. So pretty cool.

    • @pulDag
      @pulDag Před rokem +2

      Nice. Hope to see the final result.

  • @Bigirondoug
    @Bigirondoug Před rokem +3

    So glad to see you back.

  • @SkunkieDesignsElectronics

    Glad to see you back and respect your opinions. Keep rolling with content for us!

  • @astra004
    @astra004 Před rokem +3

    You not only need 70000 $, you need a separate room to hide them. No living wife will ever share the living room with one of these.

    • @bbfoto7248
      @bbfoto7248 Před rokem

      Unless your wife happens to be bat chit crazy but über talented recording/mixing engineer & producer, Sylvia Massy. 😀

    • @astra004
      @astra004 Před rokem

      @@bbfoto7248 1:1

  • @DougMen1
    @DougMen1 Před rokem

    Great to see you back on YT! I've been following you on your website since the YT hiatus began.

  • @juistb2
    @juistb2 Před rokem +1

    I loved this video! This, along with your usual content, is exactly what I want to see when watching videos in this space.

  • @MilGrip76
    @MilGrip76 Před rokem +2

    Content like this would be great. Glad you are back on track with things.

  • @nervouscough7115
    @nervouscough7115 Před rokem +8

    Always top notch video reviews. The only improvement I could think of is maybe a conclusion bookmark or final thoughts bookmark where you finalize or sum your thoughts of the product for when viewers may want to cheat and get the cliff notes version. This suggestion in no way discards your efforts. Much much appreciated! Keep on making these amazing videos 10/10.

  • @GadgetyMV
    @GadgetyMV Před rokem +2

    This speaker reminded me about the Danley, too, design wise.

  • @avnut5517
    @avnut5517 Před rokem +13

    Hey, this is all good. I don't track all of these new things as often as I used to.
    Edit: I am sure these are very good speakers. They are also outside my budget.
    I too have heard the Danley during an outdoor demo. I was also impressed. They would have been more impressive indoors.

  • @robinkleinsteuber5217
    @robinkleinsteuber5217 Před rokem +5

    Nicely informative format, with data from a reputable manufacturer. Enjoyed it, Erin! 👍

  • @giangpham6348
    @giangpham6348 Před rokem +1

    Great to see u back on video Erin 🎉

  • @jpz1970
    @jpz1970 Před rokem +8

    Good to have you back Erin. I wasn't surprised at the genelec's radiation pattern as their main focus is studio monitors. If I needed a monitor for a studio I'm sure that genelec would be at the top of my list. But for home audio use i probably would choose something with a wider radiation pattern. That said, I wouldn't say no to demo them in my listening room. 😁

    • @vtkz
      @vtkz Před 11 měsíci +2

      They work perfectly as normal Stereo Setup for Music & fipm. A friend of mine have the 8341 with an Self Build Double Bass Array (minidsp etc.) and fully treated ceiling and it counts by far to one the best systems ive listen in the past 15 yrs of Hifi. I personally use Neumanns but you cant do anything wrong with these brands. Top Products with an awesome performance

  • @Grommet2007
    @Grommet2007 Před rokem +3

    I think peak SPL figures are usually quoted at half-space. This peak is typically in the bass region, and most bass speakers are going to end up acoustically close (consider the wavelengths involved) to at least one boundary. Box design programs typically assume half-space use as well.

  • @kevind4061
    @kevind4061 Před rokem +2

    You bring a unique voice to the hobby and it's good to see you back on camera! Tyvm

  • @johnstone7697
    @johnstone7697 Před rokem +9

    The only true path to advancement in loudspeaker designs really does require active systems, with individual amplifiers and active electronic crossovers. Nice to see Genelec pushing that envelope. It makes me wonder when the high end home audio speaker guys will finally get the message. Passive speakers driven by single amplifiers are just a dead end.

    • @thepathnotfound
      @thepathnotfound Před rokem +2

      Yep, I was a huge audio fan in my teenage days in late 70s. But I’m all about powered monitors these days. When you realize that you pick out a DAC and powered monitors and then patch in your source and you’re done.

    • @spdcrzy
      @spdcrzy Před rokem

      Have you seen what Nakamichi has done with the new Dragon soundbar? It's NUTTY.

    • @vtkz
      @vtkz Před 11 měsíci +1

      They will NEVER get it. Big monoblocks, overpriced passive Floorstanders & zero room treatment & no Room Correction will always be the way for most people...but when they are lucky and believe its better, let them live their dream. I will never go back to passives again

    • @rahliE777
      @rahliE777 Před 11 měsíci

      Watching all the footage from the Munich show recently, one speaker that stood out to me in the “ultra high end world” was from a German company called “B&M” that make a pretty incredible line of active speakers.. Worth checking out, im almost sure there’s nothing else like it!

    • @vtkz
      @vtkz Před 5 měsíci +2

      ​​@@rahliE777 The Backes & Mueller Guy (Johannes Siegler) also the CEO of the german studio brand KSDigital - Active Monitors. So they combine a little bit both worlds. He did also podcasts with acousticians and is based in the studio world

  • @simoSLJ89
    @simoSLJ89 Před rokem +21

    Man it's great you're back.
    I follow some pc hw channels, and your technical no bullshit approach is kinda similar to what Gamers Nexus does.
    Even if this hobby is much smaller than pc hw, I'm sure your channel will grow, you deserve it!
    PS - I just bought some Arendal 1961 speakers, even thanks to your review, and they are great.

  • @mechanicallyinvolved
    @mechanicallyinvolved Před rokem

    It's good to see you back making content.

  • @iwng54
    @iwng54 Před rokem

    Great to see you back. I hope you are handling the madness around your life well.

  • @805alpal
    @805alpal Před rokem +4

    love the format; after that hiatus, i'm starved for Erin content lol

    • @ErinsAudioCorner
      @ErinsAudioCorner  Před rokem +1

      Thanks! You might have seen it already but I posted a speaker review last Friday: czcams.com/video/gNKs0Dj2v5E/video.html

  • @stevegrise1571
    @stevegrise1571 Před rokem +1

    The best cow bell... in two soundstages examples. You are THE best !

  • @IrenESorius
    @IrenESorius Před rokem +2

    Cool format, and I loove the cowbell,, 😅.
    Cheers Erin,, 🍻😎👍‍‍👍‍‍

  • @ryanchristopher2810
    @ryanchristopher2810 Před rokem

    This video was fantastic! So happy to see you exploring new ideas. I learned a great deal. Thank you!

  • @rli3651
    @rli3651 Před rokem

    Welcome back from CA. Peace be with you!

  • @TD05SSLegacy
    @TD05SSLegacy Před rokem +2

    You look healthy! Welcome back

  • @vesalaasanen2158
    @vesalaasanen2158 Před rokem +4

    When you said that this video is running longer that I intended I was like "dude, keep going, there's still coffee in my mug!"
    I like this sort of stuff a lot. And if there is stuff to talk about then it doesn't matter to me how long the video is.
    By the way, if you ever come to visit Finland you need to see one of these two live music clubs that use 70+ Genelecs as their PA system 😄

  • @JoshM7
    @JoshM7 Před rokem +3

    When I get my pair, I'll be sure to let you try them out.
    Just give me 100 years to save... 😂

  • @derekjarman1638
    @derekjarman1638 Před rokem

    Like this format 👍The cow bell analogy was funny!

  • @pulDag
    @pulDag Před rokem +1

    Yes, nice format. Ascendo home cinema line of speakers have also very detail measurements, could be next candidate for "review". Have fun Erin.

  • @AllboroLCD
    @AllboroLCD Před rokem +3

    Hot Damn! Great to see ya back Erin! And in one piece to boot ; )
    Dont even need the spec sheet to tell these things aim to be an "end game" system, but 6k watts!?!?! Dayum!
    But yeah, given the name and reputation, you can bet the farm these things are gonna satisfy!

  • @elongatuspiranha
    @elongatuspiranha Před rokem

    So glad this guy is back!

  • @vishS14
    @vishS14 Před rokem +2

    Awesome video, really enjoyed this. This speaker is just one a level of its own.

  • @edwardnevill242
    @edwardnevill242 Před rokem

    Glad to have you back! Question for you: which would you say would provide the best phantom centre: the kef r3 or one of the arendal bookshelves!

  • @wechnivag
    @wechnivag Před rokem +2

    This is an awesome format. Walking through the specs and discussing what they mean with a critical informed eye is very informative.
    One additional angle would be to talk about the intended audience or application. Would this be a dedicated, very large studio monitor. What are some of its competitors, and how do their specs and features stack up. Eg vs the large PMC monitors, vs the JBL M2, vs the Meyersound Blue horn etc.

    • @ErinsAudioCorner
      @ErinsAudioCorner  Před rokem +3

      Something I was thinking is that maybe I could do this sort of thing with speakers that I am reviewing. Maybe go through and talk about the design, postulate on the performance, etc. in one video. And then follow up later with a Review to see how well the spec sheet lines up with the real data. Sounds like a neat idea but not sure how feasible it would actually be.

  • @lukeselker5175
    @lukeselker5175 Před rokem +9

    The array of mids with a common acoustic center is interesting. Reminds me of tekton design's philosophy around using tweeter arrays.

    • @corymorris5800
      @corymorris5800 Před rokem

      Exactly

    • @ErinsAudioCorner
      @ErinsAudioCorner  Před rokem +7

      I'd like to get a pair of Tekton speakers to review. A year back I asked and they said they'd get me some after the 4th of July. I followed up and got no reply. Ghosted. Pretty normal in my experience.

    • @pulDag
      @pulDag Před rokem +1

      ​@@ErinsAudioCorner that would be mega to finally see if it their integration works as expected.

    • @wechnivag
      @wechnivag Před rokem +1

      The wider CTC spacing of the 4 mids seem to be accounting for the narrowing directivity at ~500hz, and then widening again as it transitions to the coaxial midrange..

    • @lukeselker5175
      @lukeselker5175 Před rokem +1

      @@ErinsAudioCorner I've heard before that they are really slow, even with customers, too bad that they haven't been responsive to you. Here's hoping that someday the stars align and they reach back out!

  • @EricDSalisbury
    @EricDSalisbury Před rokem +1

    That looks like a beast of a speaker. Genelec is not playing around with this one.

  • @scottbennett3119
    @scottbennett3119 Před rokem

    Glad you're back! This type of content is cool occasionally. BTW you're looking great!

    • @ErinsAudioCorner
      @ErinsAudioCorner  Před rokem +1

      Thanks! I've been trying to take better care of myself... this 40 year old body was breaking down too soon! LOL

  • @IliyaOsnovikov
    @IliyaOsnovikov Před rokem +1

    Erin, I've seen some expensive speakers with adjustable rear tweeters. Can such design substitute for a wide frontal directivity? I am currently planning 4-way tower speakers with the waveguided tweeter (GRT-145W by Viawave). I've been thinking to add some switchable tweeter on a tilted back (15 degrees) top speaker box panel (to get additional ceiling and front wall reflections).

  • @thomaslutro5560
    @thomaslutro5560 Před rokem +4

    More cowbell, please! 😆

  • @AlexanderHaibel
    @AlexanderHaibel Před rokem

    Awesome video! The discussion on coaxial directivity was extremely enlightening. In marketing materials coaxial is described as a wider radiation, not narrower, but now I see that at least horizontally, that's not true. I went to Spinorama, Genelec 8050b vs 8351b, and low and behold, 8050b has wider (albeit rougher) horizontal directivity. Fascinating. Perhaps you could insert more discussion on the preferences you've accumulated over the years - for example type or port (or unported), types of tweeter, things like this.

  • @sidvicious3129
    @sidvicious3129 Před rokem

    Erin it’s outstanding to see you back. Did you, I can’t remember do a review of the now older Martin Logan 60xti and are you planning to do a review of the newer Martin Logan XTF100 and XTF200 speakers? Hey Erin with your level of experience have you ever thought about developing your own speaker?

    • @ErinsAudioCorner
      @ErinsAudioCorner  Před rokem

      I have not reviewed those speakers, no.
      I've considered making my own designs but I really just don't enjoy that... I did it for a while and burned out quickly.

  • @Casey.S.
    @Casey.S. Před rokem +1

    These are some cool speakers. Thanks for sharing. 👍

  • @hom2fu
    @hom2fu Před rokem +1

    Total amplifier power is 5926 W. this thing is like the beast of high end speaker

  • @PhillioDoede
    @PhillioDoede Před rokem +1

    Maybe not so much on the uber high-end stuff but I do like this format and would watch more of it for sure.

  • @psyphonyxaudio
    @psyphonyxaudio Před rokem

    Yup - Keep them coming! I value your experience and knowledge on how Acoustics work so your opinions on it are worth tons =)

  • @bbfoto7248
    @bbfoto7248 Před rokem

    @Erin's Audio Corner
    Wait! Where did you say that Cowbell was in the soundstage again??? 😂

  • @x-techgaming
    @x-techgaming Před 7 měsíci

    The current Genelec models have such an intense, otherwordly look. I love it. Esp 1238A.
    The Genelec site says the 8381A is 235 kg / 518.1 lb.

  • @gracestewart370
    @gracestewart370 Před 5 měsíci

    Love to hear you talk.

  • @varunu4176
    @varunu4176 Před 11 měsíci

    I really hope Erin reviews the LS60 for its slim coaxial drivers and the Q Active 400 for its wide dispersion BMR drivers.

  • @Audio_Simon
    @Audio_Simon Před rokem

    What kind of studio mixing room needs this SPL capability? Genuine question! If you can manage with less SPL 'The Ones' + W371 sub looks like it'll be better.

  • @jaygannon1095
    @jaygannon1095 Před rokem +1

    Thumbs up, just like you asked for, cause I definitely like this content even if you don't have the Klippel and the speaker with you. It's good to have analysis of the manufacturer's data too

  • @LifeAsISeeIt
    @LifeAsISeeIt Před rokem

    Really appreciate you explaining how you interpret manufacturing product information Lots of credit to Genelec for including this kind of info in their marketing.

    • @ErinsAudioCorner
      @ErinsAudioCorner  Před rokem +1

      Glad to! I really enjoyed it so I’m happy to hear others found it useful.

  • @w7mjr
    @w7mjr Před rokem +1

    I appreciate that you said "hypothesize" rather than "theorize"...lol!

  • @tetraktys6540
    @tetraktys6540 Před rokem +1

    Like this content man, your opinions and thoughts are great.

  • @johnyang799
    @johnyang799 Před rokem +1

    This is good. My 2c is as long as there's measurements and informative. I still would love to see more new measurements. But video like this once in a while is a good compliment.

    • @ErinsAudioCorner
      @ErinsAudioCorner  Před rokem +1

      Given the size of this beast I don’t believe I’ll ever be able to measure it even if someone brought it to me. It’s too large for my current setup. Unless… maybe … I could do it in piece parts. Hmmm….
      Still, I don’t think they’d loan me one for review. And my back would be completely fine with that. 😂😂

    • @johnyang799
      @johnyang799 Před rokem

      @@ErinsAudioCorner I mean including measurements provided by manufacturers.

    • @ErinsAudioCorner
      @ErinsAudioCorner  Před rokem

      @@johnyang799 oh, understood.

  • @keepingupwiththejones2933

    Really enjoy hearing you speak about all things audio. The way your mind works and your ability to explain how speakers actually work just speaks to me , pun intended 😂😅. So happy to see you back on the audio grind.❤❤

  • @annebokma4637
    @annebokma4637 Před 11 měsíci +2

    Genelec makes monitor speakers and want to have minimal room interaction, I imagine.

  • @MrBonger88
    @MrBonger88 Před rokem +1

    Definitely like the explanations

  • @davidk3872
    @davidk3872 Před rokem

    Thank you for this video, very helpful

  • @LIMuscleBlackdevil
    @LIMuscleBlackdevil Před rokem +2

    This speaker is going to be a monster. Only downsides besides price I can see (for me) is the design makes it difficult to almost impossible to install these in a baffle wall. A false wall would have to be extremely deep to accommodate these. And the relatively narrow-ish directivity. I do wish more companies matted coax drivers to waveguides to control the directivity.

  • @ScottGrammer
    @ScottGrammer Před rokem +4

    A thousand years ago, when I first studied loudspeaker and array design, one of the cardinal rules was that if you're going to have multiple drivers reproducing anything higher than bass, the drivers must be as close together as possible, preferably in a vertical array, to avoid comb filter effects as the listener moves around. One wonders how Genelec has gotten around this with those four mids?

    • @ErinsAudioCorner
      @ErinsAudioCorner  Před rokem +2

      I think it has everything to do with their crossover points. The only thing that I find a bit perplexing is the time delay they most certainly are using to match the arrival time to the concentric mid/tweeter. I'm thinking that off-axis might do some funny things... but then again, if it's crossover is low enough (and steep) then it might not matter at all.

    • @fredygump5578
      @fredygump5578 Před rokem +3

      The 4 mid drivers act like a single ~18" (?) driver. Draw a circle around them, and they work like a single driver with the diameter of that circle. They are not close together because Genelec is using the distance between them to help control the directivity. And they have to be away from the edges of the wave guide. On the "the ones" speakers, they put the low frequency drivers behind the wave guide. Same idea, it's still coaxial...but I'm a bit surprised they didn't resort to the same kind of witchcraft on this speaker!

    • @randomvariablenj
      @randomvariablenj Před rokem +1

      I was wondering why the latency is a bit higher compared to other DSP speakers. That explains it.

  • @yoddeb
    @yoddeb Před rokem +1

    The cowbell example was not terrible at all, it was brilliant.

  • @Dasbeerboots
    @Dasbeerboots Před rokem

    Hey Erin, great first look. Also, you look great. Lighting is good, camera is good, video quality is all great. Glad to see you back.

    • @ErinsAudioCorner
      @ErinsAudioCorner  Před rokem +1

      Hey! Thanks! The secret is simple: I got Botox on my nose. 😂😂

    • @Dasbeerboots
      @Dasbeerboots Před rokem

      I mean, I don't want to simp too much, but hair looks good and clean shave. All around, it looks like you're doing really well.

    • @ErinsAudioCorner
      @ErinsAudioCorner  Před rokem +1

      @@Dasbeerboots I appreciate that. Been trying to take better care of myself. Trying to stay on this earth a couple extra years than my previous lifestyle would have permitted.

  • @hoth2112
    @hoth2112 Před rokem +3

    I hope you can get your hands on the MUM-8 studio monitors from the guys over at Present Day Productions, they've been getting a lot of great feedback from the few customers that have them so far. But I'd love to see some actual measurements, especially if you can get both the silk and beryllium drivers so we can also get an idea of the differences between the driver selection.

    • @ErinsAudioCorner
      @ErinsAudioCorner  Před rokem +4

      Ohhhh. That speaker looks good!

    • @glennh7297
      @glennh7297 Před rokem +2

      I would love to have the MUM-8 to mix on. That looks like a fantastic speaker.

    • @ErinsAudioCorner
      @ErinsAudioCorner  Před rokem +6

      @@glennh7297 I just sent them an email via their website to see if they'd be interesting/willing to send loaners. We'll see what they say.

  • @MgShewchuk
    @MgShewchuk Před rokem

    Would be interesting to compare with Dutch 8c's ... they go loud as tested and offering on paper similar.

  • @Lutznn
    @Lutznn Před rokem

    Love this video and found it super informative. Thanks! I would be interested in getting your opinion on some the Main monitor speakers from PCM using a transmission line design. Something like the BB6 XBD-A. They look pretty serious! The Barefoot sound Master Stack 12 is another very serious system.

    • @vtkz
      @vtkz Před 11 měsíci

      you cant go wrong with all these Pro Brands - Products from Neumann, PMC, ATC, Strauss are all top notch 100% performance build speakers

  • @chinmeysway
    @chinmeysway Před rokem +1

    Love it ps, thank u 🙏 bc yes: ambiguity inherent in adjective-heavy language cannot get anyone anywhere that data can you, absolutely.

  • @davido4872
    @davido4872 Před rokem

    I suggest looking at the Gradient speakers from Finland. They are unique in the way they deal with the variable of room acoustics. Prices aren't quite as astronomical.

  • @spdcrzy
    @spdcrzy Před rokem

    I REALLY like speakers with directivity. I think it's because I enjoy complex mixes with live instruments where the placement on the soundstage REALLY matters, not just the placement in the mix.

  • @chucksimonds5164
    @chucksimonds5164 Před rokem +1

    Reminds me of the Perlisten design with their two midranges surrounding the tweeter...in this case there are four. Or maybe the Tekton designs.

  • @juliangst
    @juliangst Před rokem

    Any chance we'll see more Genelec reviews on this channel?

    • @ErinsAudioCorner
      @ErinsAudioCorner  Před rokem +1

      I'm not sure. If it's up to me I'd be happy to test others but it's a matter of finding some to review.

  • @JamesWilliams-gf8gm
    @JamesWilliams-gf8gm Před rokem +1

    I think one other thing narrow dispersion adds is dynamics. Given the same source energy (db) and displacement the wider dispersion speaker spills its energy into the room more and the narrow one directs it more at the listener. This is one reason why horns are more dynamic.
    There is only so much energy and spilling it into the room hurts dynamics.
    I owned the Revel 228be which is pretty wide and the JBL 4367 which is pretty narrow at the same time.
    Honestly I don’t notice the sound stage difference too much between the two. What I do notice is the 4367 much better dynamics and increased texture an tone from that 15” paper woofer.

    • @stevenswall
      @stevenswall Před rokem

      Narrow dispersion can increase max volume, but that is not the same as dynamic range.
      Speakers playing well within their operational specs don't compress the dynamic range.

  • @JisMortal
    @JisMortal Před rokem +1

    weird to say but a budget option you should check out is the Mackie HR8Mk2. it claims +/- 1.5db is 37hz-20khz. "budget" option at $1600/pair.
    Ethan Winer daily drives them. idk if you know who he is but I would buy anything he daily drives in a heartbeat. his pro audio expertise is 60+ years AND he loves objective data.

    • @ErinsAudioCorner
      @ErinsAudioCorner  Před rokem +2

      Check this out: resolutionmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Mackie-HR824-Mk2.pdf

  • @alexorigoni8626
    @alexorigoni8626 Před rokem

    I thought this was a great video. As someone who wants to understand speaker design and acoustic trade offs better, it was very informative. Plus, I constantly have questions about products that I don’t necessarily need a full review for; it would be nice to have someone just offer a simple overview of what certain products are all about.

  • @donnowak4304
    @donnowak4304 Před rokem

    I would love to just A/B/C these with comparable Magico and Focal's.

  • @edwarddejong8025
    @edwarddejong8025 Před 8 měsíci

    It is a super accurate wide range speaker, that will appeal to studios that can't put their monitors into the wall, like most of the existing Genelec designs. 65k for a pair is expensive, but so is carpentry, and many concrete buildings cannot be modified. So this is a reaction to non-wooden construction environments, which is very common nowadays.

  • @hu._-
    @hu._- Před rokem +2

    this bears some similarity to the Teknik Double Impact circular midrange driver arrangement around the tweeter but that one is around $3K ... has great reviews, its also big and can be driven to levels beyond what you can listen to in a large house ...

    • @brianmcnamara1431
      @brianmcnamara1431 Před rokem +1

      Tekton

    • @vtkz
      @vtkz Před 11 měsíci

      Pretty shure that the Genelec play in a complete different league

  • @imz14u2nv
    @imz14u2nv Před rokem

    Erin, I loved this video, that was some great information and really get's the brain working... Also, I love that shirt...Pure Class Dude!!!

    • @ErinsAudioCorner
      @ErinsAudioCorner  Před rokem +1

      I just got home from work and was like "this speaker is cool, I should do a stream of consciousness video for it". So, I did. I didn't even change shirts. LOL

  • @realitykicksin8755
    @realitykicksin8755 Před rokem

    Having 4 mid ranges ... how will they deal with wave cancelation. Are they are similarly polarized? Not convinced about having 4 of them

    • @ErinsAudioCorner
      @ErinsAudioCorner  Před rokem +1

      As I mentioned, in the video, the wavelength that they are playing is long enough that all the speakers some. If they were crossed over higher, then you would get lobing issues. But the crossover on these is low enough that you do not have that issue. At least not to a significant degree based on the data.

  • @merlingarnett3613
    @merlingarnett3613 Před rokem +2

    Enjoyed the hot take. I was taught half space was full space +3dB, I.e. 10 log Q; where Q=2 for hemispherical. I wouldn’t want to sit within 1m of a compression tweeter, however coherently it is integrated. Impressive spl figures.

    • @bbfoto7248
      @bbfoto7248 Před rokem +1

      @Merlin Garnett
      Well, I kind of had to LOL a bit when you mentioned not wanting to sit in the nearfield within close proximity to these Genelecs because of their HF compression drivers and waveguides.
      WHY?
      Because Erin actually used some BMS 5CN162 5" Concentric Midrange/1" HF Compression Drivers at the base of his custom-fabricated A-pillars in his old 2006 Honda Civic high end car audio "Test Mule", and he seemed to love them, ha! 😮 😅
      In addition, below the 5CN162 concentric mids/compression tweeters, he had 10" Ciare HW251N Midbass drivers installed in custom fiberglass "kick panel" enclosures in the front left and right footwells which vented to the outside of the vehicle through ~4" diameter holes cut through to the front wheel well area. 😮
      To top it off and bring up the LOW-LOW END, he installed TWO 15" Acoustic Elegance AE SBP15 subwoofers mounted to a sealed rear seat/trunk baffle wall in an Infinite Baffle configuration, LOL.
      All of the independent Crossovers, P-EQ, Levels, Phase, and Time Alignment for each individual driver were handled by a high end multichannel car audio DSP unit.
      IIRC, he placed in the Top 5 in a major car audio SQ Finals competion event against a massively stacked group of veteran SQ vehicles and serious competitors who had more elaborate "high end" installs with excellent track records. :-)
      That system would probably rival these Genelecs in terms of pure SPL and dynamics @ ~1m, LOL. I think that several of the other competitors that heard this system said that if they could choose just one car to drive home from that event, it would be Erin's Civic. 😂
      To see photos and read about this crazy system and Erin's car audio antics, do a Google Search for "DIYMA ErinH 2006 Honda Civic LX Sedan Build Neverending Tale" and then go to Page 92 and then Page 100 of the forum thread. For the Dual 15" I.B. Subwoofer install, go to Page 88/Post # 1760, and Page 94.

    • @merlingarnett3613
      @merlingarnett3613 Před rokem +1

      @@bbfoto7248 I’ve heard Erin mention his car audio exploits but haven’t followed up so will take a look - love the description!! Don’t know what it is but I find horns and some waveguides honky in close proximity, need to be about 6-7 feet or more away and then I’m good. Maybe the wavefront flattens out a bit - not sure what it is tbh.

  • @Canadian_Eh_I
    @Canadian_Eh_I Před rokem +1

    Awesome!! Cant wait till the DIY version comes out lmao

  • @aceofspades6667
    @aceofspades6667 Před rokem

    Well done Erin

  • @epi2045
    @epi2045 Před rokem +1

    My Tarkus designed by Paul Carmody has exceeded my expectations. Was at Axpona ‘23 and only 5% of speakers I heard were better. Those 5% were all over $15K and as high as $250K.

  • @yoddeb
    @yoddeb Před rokem +1

    The crossover frequencies are variable when using GLM. To me, that's a no brainer and I never understood why I have to select the subwoofer crossover manually in GLM. Surely the software can do a much better job than me.

  • @Finite-Tuning
    @Finite-Tuning Před rokem +5

    That is an interesting looking speaker! Still ugly as sin in my opinion, just like my JBL 590's, but potentially cooler than by what they can do. I get what your saying, it's gonna be about time alignment on the outer edge of that giant horn. Having 4 mids at the 4 corners of that horn, well that is weird but might work out better than better than.?! But at $70k, who among us will ever find out with real measurements?
    I am all for built in subs into main towers, one reason why I like Definitive Technology so much. The claimed 129db, that's gotta be coming from the subwoofer.... But at the end of the day, I'm a builder, a fixer, just a guy doing his thing and I will never spend even $2k on any one speaker! Especially when I know I can build the same or similar for WAY less.
    But hey, we're still lovin what you do and glad to have you back! Cheers man 🍻

  • @chahahc
    @chahahc Před rokem +4

    $70,000/pair whew...for big name professional studios only. ...What they didn't round over the edges?

    • @Canadian_Eh_I
      @Canadian_Eh_I Před rokem +1

      yeah for that money they should have pulled out all the stops

    • @wswsn7396
      @wswsn7396 Před rokem

      too ugly for rich people's home.

  • @onemic-theminimalist
    @onemic-theminimalist Před 11 měsíci +1

    Clearly made for recording/mixing studios. Considering the Spotify top 100 is Hip-hop and Rap dominated, the spl spec and price makes sense.

  • @4Rhouse
    @4Rhouse Před rokem

    grammar is said to be ambiguous if there exists more than one leftmost (not to be confused with politics) derivation or more than one more rightmost derivation or more than one parse tree for the given input string. but that's only at 120 db!

  • @LFG_People
    @LFG_People Před rokem

    I think it's good content and the information you're sharing about the speaker is one thing but your explanation of the metrics and how they interact with the room Etc like you did with the waveguide and speaker interaction is in my opinion even more interesting so I do like when you add to the content of the web page with your own knowledge

  • @franciariano5118
    @franciariano5118 Před rokem +1

    Hi, I really want to buy a new set of speaker for my old amplifier (technics ca-1080). My budget is around 300€ (more or less). Right now there is a deal on the debut b6.2 (~250€), but I’ve also found a great price on the Heco aurora 300 (less the 400€). Have you ever tried the aurora? Are you planning to test this product in the future? I really like also the debut reference 6.2, but unfortunately it cost 499€, so a little bit on the expensive side. Unfortunately here in Italy we can’t buy directly from emotiva, and so the shipping is about 120€ adding on top of the speaker price. Ps, my amplifier doesn’t come with a sub out connection, so until I’m gonna change it I won’t use a sub. Thanks a lot for yours video, I’m hoping that you can help me making a great choice. :)

  • @emmet7208
    @emmet7208 Před rokem +1

    Maybe now Genelec will send you a pair to review! Love these types of videos.

    • @ErinsAudioCorner
      @ErinsAudioCorner  Před rokem +1

      Man, I don't even know if I would want to try to measure these. I've been working out but I ain't THAT strong. LOL

  • @chrisvinicombe9947
    @chrisvinicombe9947 Před rokem +2

    Speaking of your preference for wide constant directivity tweeters. Purifi has a prototype called the PTT in their new speaker15 with +-70° out 20khz constant 😮
    Suspect the narrow dispersion on the genelec is that pro applications don't want lots of room interaction? It looks to be cardioid down to 150hz-ish. Crazy out of reach engineering thanks for the video

    • @ErinsAudioCorner
      @ErinsAudioCorner  Před rokem +2

      That is the driver I wanted to make one of these videos for. It actually was going to happen last week when I saw the news but I put the triad review first.

    • @chrisvinicombe9947
      @chrisvinicombe9947 Před rokem +1

      @@ErinsAudioCorner look forward to your thoughts about it.

  • @melaniezette886
    @melaniezette886 Před rokem

    👍 Very pro niche product, how many will they sell? Not surprised it has to be super expensive.
    I love pro 15" drivers, big is beautiful...

  • @Space-O-2001
    @Space-O-2001 Před rokem +1

    Wow, the phrase that springs to mind is money can't buy taste. I find these absolutely hideous lol