Replacing Trailing Arm Bushings on a Honda [No Special Tool!]
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- čas přidán 11. 01. 2014
- In this video I demonstrate how to replace trailing arm bushings on a Honda. The book requires a special tool, but you don't need it!
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Respect for getting it done the way you did! Hardly any room to get much of a swing and freezing cold too
I am sorry i have not spotted this before but you only look for stuff when you need it. But i would point out that the part of this job that is the most of a problem is the front end of the arm with seized bolts. Matt has done this without removing them which i thought was possible but he is the first guy that i have seen do it. So i am very grateful that he has shared this. Many thanks Matt.
If you found yourself here because you don't want to shell out $140+ for a tool you'll only use once... FOLLOW everything this man does, besides the hammering part. I just finished both bushings on my civic, and after banging for two hours on one side, i finally took a reciprocating saw, cut 4 notches into the metal rim of the bushing, pretty much destroying it but who cares ( my dog bone thing fell off as soon as i unbolted them from the frame lol )... hit it from inside out.. literally took me 10 mins, as oppose to trying to bang it without cutting the notches.
Great! i did this last weekend. i was to try something like this, but your video encouraged me. its hard to pull it off but as you said, with pacience we do it. and as reward we save same money. thanks
Thank you for a great instruction video. Very clear and precise. Also thank you for not putting loud music on top. A lot of other videos are unwatchable because of loud music. So very glad you didn't put any music on. Must be cold at your place. I could see your breath cloud coming out.
Did you know or do you know now that the bushing is wider on the OUTSIDE (wheel side) part of the bushing? The reason why it took you forever to remove it is, you were forcing the bushing to pass through an opening that was designed to prevent the bushing from what you were trying to do, pass through the other side. You are supposed to whack that bushing from the inside out for removal and outside in when installing...
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The special tool designed for this job (rear trailing arm bushing remover/installer) presses it thru the back, just like in this video. Honda factory service manual also shows the same direction, on page 18-25.
I'm about to R&R these bushings, and YOU, good sir, just saved me a metric shit-ton of hassle. I hoist a beer in your general direction.
Did you know? If you take a hack saw, and cut 2 slices,it will come out easily. Since you DO NOT need the old part... Cut the Top and Bottom until it reaches the to the Arm's Metal. From there, it will come out easily for you! NOTE: My Dad and I just did this.... I will upload a Video soon on how we did it!
@@JodBronson yes obviously you can just cut it out sure. Yes it is easier to get it out if you cut it.
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Good job... matts... going to take the the better halfs out in a week or so and replace... 2009 dodge caliber... I think I'll take the reciprocating saw and cut the top and bottom without going through.. Did that with the rear bushing for the front control arm. Came out fairly easy.... You save a lot of money
Tank you for the video. Very helpful. I figured i would try my impact chisel first. that didnt work. but a 4LB mini sledge did it perfect. about 2 minutes each. I did treat it first with penetrating spray first. that might have helped. I also had the whole trailing arm on the ground because i bought a integra disc brake swap, and it had bad bushings. it was a bit harder because things wanted to move around.
Bro you the goat for this 👏🏽👏🏽
Thank you for this very effective video.
Thanks for all the great information
I did it your way and it worked out fine. Other youtubers use the $300+ tool !! Thanks👍
No prob! Awesome!
Also, if your car is lowered, you should rotate the bushing to compensate for the different angle the trailing arm will be sitting at for the majority of its life on the car.
very true, all the bushings in my civic were shot from being lowered. Gotta have everything tightened and straight under load otherwise they'll tear
Is there other bushing or things I need to adjust after lowering? My bushings were already shot when I lowered my civic and I'm changing them soon.
FroztiProductions adjustable control arms are good for setting the camber angle if you wish, but other than that you'd probably only have to maybe worry about the axels depending on how low it is
The camber with the stock arms is just right for my taste, added maybe 5 degrees. Is there other benefits of upgrading the control arms? It's not very low, probably 1-2 inch drop.
Mad Adam Thanks for the tip!
Nice narration, I like your editing too.
Good no nonsense clear advice.
Great job. Clear easy fast.
Wow nice video...additional knowledge for me who is doing DIY....ty😊
I did it without special tools... Here: czcams.com/video/P8NXDlqkcWo/video.html
Use the old bushing shell to tap the new one in, especially if it's aftermarket because metal is much softer.
Thanks for the tip. Hammered mine out in like 5 blows each side (arms off car)
Hey man, just wanted to say thank you for giving me the idea of how to replace these. But if you take the whole trailer arm off and beat it from the inside out it comes out in a few hits! I used 3 pieces of 2x4 to set the trailing arm on and a hammer. It popped out in a couple hits!
But based on what I’ve seen taking the whole thing off can be near impossibke
Mark Brand what do you mean?
@@thaddeusswenson3804 Go look at the top video for this job, getting the little link at the front of the trailing arm can be insanely hard
Thanks for the video, I just successfully hammered out the bushing on my 98 civic. Just as a note for anyone's' who is reaaaallyy stuck in there and rusty (took me 4 hours of hammering, whole center part disintegrated and just the outer ring was stuck) do yourself a favor and go pick up a 2 and 1/2" spline socket from the local parts store for about 15 bucks, it matches up to the size of the outer ring, just hammer it out directly with that and it works great.
+ughmas 2 and 1/2'' spline socket ( outer or inner diameter of socket ) ?.
+Centrious mijkey i will double check the size but it was a duralast 2 and 1/2 inch spindle/axle (not spline i mistyped ) socket from autozone.
Great video👍🏽thanks
Thanks!! Really helpful!!
You can also use a muffler gun or air hammer with a blunt punch chisel if you have a air compressor! takes about 30 seconds!!
Good video.. Very well explain.. I will try to do it on my car this weekend.. Hopefully I don run into any problems.. I already bought the bushing..
Thanks for watching! Just keep at it. As I said in the video it took me over an hour of pounding to get the one side out. Make sure you take long powerful strikes instead of short weaker ones. Really lay into it.
Thanks.!! Will do..
Hey thanks for the video Matt. I did this on a CRV and the biggest problems I worked around were; stuck lower control arm bolt, and rust. I used map gas and PB Blaster to break the rust. The lower control arm on the passengers side remains stuck so I simply twisted things to replace the bushing. However, you may have difficultly bolting the upper control arm back on.
Also, be sure not to pull apart your CV axles.
And I do not reccommend the Dorman quick press part, unless you get two made of rubber. I received one made from urethane or hard plastic and it could not be pressed in (even with a press).
Thanks again.
Thank you for the advice, its really helpful in getting ready to do this soon
+Mattigity you're welcome. You'll also want a long metal rod over an extension because you will most likely damage it.
Awesome video
good video. thanks for the upload
Will be trying this soon! I will ditch the hammer for a 10kg cast iron dumbell I use fot jobs like this!
I just use a air hammer with a round flat bit an they come flying out lol faster than you could hook up that special tool
Good job man
Warriors of the Shade Tree mechanics, I toast a beer to all of you....
Ive been a mechanic for over 20- years but am always looking to improve my skills..
Even with the xtractor tool, it took me about 10-15 mins of ratcheting to press out the bushings. then i broke my friggin special tool! plan on spending a few hours doing this job
U make it look easy
Remember to never impact your lug nuts back on. Always torque them or use the proper lug nut bar
sattmelter I'm agree with you man.
The same with all the other bolts that he retightened with an impact. At least for 1988-1991, the trailing arm bushing bolts are 69ft-lb, the lower control arm bolt is 40ft-lb, and the upper control arm bolts are 29ft-lb. There is MO WAY to control torque anywhere close to this precisely with an impact. And an inpact could damage the threads (particularly the 10mm bolts that cannot take as much torque). Impacts should only be used for loosening/removing fasteners.
yeps, the shops ruin alota lugs n tgreads
I'm always amazed watching these videos on how clean the bottom the of the cars are. I live in northern New England and usually most of the effort in any car repair work here is fighting with rusty bolts; sometimes they even break off (which becomes a huge time-sink to drill them out). Where do you live that is a cold climate (I can see your breath) and you have so little rust on the bottom of your car?
I am in central PA. Our winters here are not so bad. We have our moments, but most of the time it is not crazy. The issue with the weather here is the unpredictability, at least where I live (Happy Valley).
i live in california. the only rusty cars i see here are out of state cars lol
Great job
Thanks for the reassurance I could do this without the special tool. I got to the beating part and, after a few thousand whacks decided to get out the sawzall, cut away the rubber inerds and then make a cut through the outside ring of the bushing. This releived the pressure of the seized bushing and, 2 hits later, the bushing was free. Saved me a LOT of time on the other side. Also, had an issue with getting the new bushing to start into the housing, so I took the bushing to the grinder and beveled the leading edge to allow to bushing to start into the housing. Doesn't matter if it's ground a bit because the area ground down is completely through the mating surfaces. Side 1; 4 hours. Side 2; less than 1 hour. Also used the old bushing, held to the new bushing, as a striking plate.
tim h Good work! Glad it all worked out
Genius
what supported your control arm while you were wolly whomping it with the hammer? Like what stopped it from just flopping back and forth while you were hitting it?
clean job
I have done that many of times with bushings(it works) But i bought the expensive tool (Snap on) Good job.
Thanks!
Can this be done to a 2012 Civic lx sedan and where would you get the bushing kit?
Pretty sure they are meant to be hit out from the inside. They have a slight taper to them which makes it really tough to remove it the way you did in the video :)
Agreed, I was just about to comment this before I saw yours.
Hit from the inside when installing or removing? Also hey friend I see you everywhere @Team Axle Stands
@@austin4046 haha yeah I commented oh a few vids. You hit from the inside to the outside when removing. And press/hit the new ones from the outside to the inside when installing
Çok pratik tebrikler. 👌
have you tried doing this using an air hammer?
Air hammer makes these a cake walk. I always put some Loctite around it for extra measure.
I had a little harder taking two out on a Ferrari.
ATG suggests for me to PCV Drain Stop with a 1/4 steel plate placed on back of PCV Drain Stop.
And with a heavy hammer I was able to knock them out without a scratch on frames.
Mine letting us know the torque numbers on all those bolts/nut?
This in case I work on one of this model (what year/model of this?).
Thank you for sharing us your tips.
Awesome!
Bro, you the man! A big ole fucking hammer, fuck yeah! I almost bought that stupid tool I’ll use 2 x’s in a century. F’ that. Thank you!!
I just tried to do this, but when you jammed the wood behind the trailing arm and smacked it with a hammer, my trailing arm didn't come down at all. This leaves me with no space to work on it... any help?
It sounds like music. I enjoy it. Good effort. Thanks
thank you . mat.
looks like you need to replace that wheel bearing too. nice job on other parts, torque wrench might be better tho, less chance of stripping out threads
hello bro, first of all sorry about my english, if a say something whrong because im brazilian. So, I also changed my trailing arm bushings like you, but it didn't fixed well, I mean, the bushings got in with low pressure, like in your video, so then wuen I drive the car, this trailing arm starts to move on the bushing lateraly on the bushing sometimes, did it happend to you? if yes, how did you solved that? I temporarily made a "point" of welding to hug in in place, but didn't like that solution. Thanks, and nice video !
Getting them out with a few blows with a heavy hammer was not so bad, but the new one refuses to go in. I may have to resort to at least renting the tool. Any suggestions?
Nice!
'Twould help us to know which model/year of 'honda' this is??????
I'm just gonna suck it up and buy the OEM bushings since there seems to be too much variation in the diameter of the metal sleeve on aftermarket bushings. Not to mention I know the upgraded OEM bushings will last a good long time....something I'm not sure about with the cheaper aftermarket alternatives. My V is 17 years old at this point so I don't expect to do this job again if I use quality bushings in the first place. If I can't get the old ones out fairly quickly by pounding on them with my 4 lb mini-sledgehammer then I'm gonna whip out my reciprocating saw and carefully cut the metal sleeve in several places to aid when I pound on them. Is this a viable idea?
Yup! That should work!
Always best to buy OEM parts.
Hi bro what year Model is you honda?
Air hammer is faster but when putting the new one in, just don’t hit it with the air hammer too much. You’ll damage the race but great video!
I have a 1997 honda civic HX, Would a bad trailing arm bushing cause my rear wheel to wobbly when driving? I just put on a new hub assembly and it still dose it i was even thinking the rim was bent but it was not that. So what could it be?
A bad trailing arm is not likely to cause wheel to wobble. How do you know the wheel isn't bent? Jack the car up in the air and spin the wheel while looking at it from the front of the tire. If it seems wobble periodically then its bent.
While the wheel is in the air, take your hands and try to see if there is any play in the wheel. To do this, put your hands at opposite ends of the tire and wobble back and fourth. If there is play, look to see where it is coming from.
put a other tire on it and it was doing the same thing i did jack it up but there is no play, im lost for words. just going to take it in and see what it could be and then fix it myself i hope.
Huh that's odd! Let me know what it ends up being!
Also a nice Methode. But I have install ES Bushings. Longer life, and you must not, hammerd out the old bush.
True but at the expense of a rougher ride. I was thinking about going that route but decided against it after reading complaints about the significantly stiffer ride. I knew one guy on Bing's now-defunct honda.suv site who was so dis-satisfied with the polyurethane bushings that he ripped them out and went back to traditional rubber.
You might want to invest in a brass drift punch or some square steel stock instead of tearing up a good extension.
Trailing arm hole is tappered. Wise to hammer it out from the inside while underneath the car.
A lot of people keep saying this, but it's not true. 1996-2000 Civic factory service manual, page 18-25. Push the bushing front to back.
@@juansolo1617 well as you can see on this trailing arm is tapered. So obviously hitting it through the outside opening that is larger is going to be easier. Its really just common sense.
Even if the film is from 2014, its til relevant today. thanks.
I used an 8lb hammer, and took me about 15 seconds to pound out
Nice!
If you are planning to remove these without a press then I suggest you remove from the rear of the arm. 2 or 3 whacks of a hammer gets them out. Trying to do from the front isn't for the alley cat method.
Hi put new struts back still do noise and when driving like 40 to 50 do crazy noise back put like 60 up the noise got oway any body got that problem be f can let me know what can be it 2 struck are new do real vibration got like 40 to 50 put mired gas like 60 up it got oway to thank s be much good. jod
Given the state of my ones on the MG ZS, they'll probably just fall apart from the rust :D
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Que barrrrbaro, que te hizo esa herramienta
You have great desire too do this job with it being cold outside. I can see your breath unless that's your breath fogging the lens up??
phillip kumar Lol yup it was freezing! When I get the bug to get something done, little can stop me!
These aren't tapered then? As I heard they are but yet you pressed it out the same direction as you pressed it in?
djrmonix As much as people like to say they might be tapered, I honestly believe they are NOT. I never payed attention when I was doing it, but if it was tapered It wouldn't have been able to go in and out in the same direction as you say.
MattsMotorz cool no probs will be doing them soon. Amu advice on compliance bushing bolts? I hear they can break off the captive nuts when loosening them and you have to cut into firewall etc!! The car is a 1996 Integra R so is near 20 years old and I reckon the bolts wont come out easy.
Thru bolts on bushings can be a major pain in the ass sometimes. It all depends on the car to what the particular solution would be to get it out. However after you DO get it out, you should always put anti-seize on the bolt so it doesn't get stuck for the next guy!
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I just did my driver side today, unbolt everything he unbolted but don’t sit there like an idiot hammering for hours.. what I did was; get a sawzall cut a hole in the outer piece of the bushing, that way the tension is significantly less, get under the car and hammer it outwards, it took me 3 hammer strikes and it flew out, then just go ahead and follow what he did with putting the new one in
To save yourself an hour of pounding, grab your sawzall and cut out the center mount of the bushing, then with a metal cutting blade, cut the sleeve of the bushing in two places and it'll just fall out.
Wish I had done the above before I pounded for an hour and got almost nowhere.
Now... how do I get the new one in? it's also stuck :(
The second one came out in 10 seconds lol. The new one you should be able to hammer it in easily. For me, they went in a LOT easier than they came out. Also, one of the reasons I hammered for so long is I didn't realize it is better to use long powerful strikes rather than faster weaker ones.
MattsMotorz After some good solid mushrooming of the new bushing, It is DONE. Philosophical question: if you mash down the surface of the bushing that is intended to be flush with the arm, is it truly flush?
Lol, hey as long as everything is working alright, who cares!
That's what I plan to do when I tackle this job soon on my '98 CRV...cut the steel sleeve and then punch it out. I'm not taking any chances with aftermarket bushings for this job since there seems to be too much variation in the metal sleeve with the Dorman bushings...Honda OEM for me all the way for this job.
lol, tryed hammering the ones on my car , and they keps falling off, i ended up using 2, 4 inch C-clamps to start it up till aout 25 pct, after that , just hammer till its flush
Sometimes you need to cheat and grind down the end of the metal sleeve a little bit with an angle grinder to get it started. EricTheCarGuy had to do it to get his RTA bushings started and he was using Schley's over-priced tool.
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Exactly the same as some Rover models here in the UK and Europe. Even the same part. Thought they had a taper though?
well those rovers are just rebadged civics aren't they?
Has anyone used a ball joint press for this?
+Tylar Dixon No need, just hammer it out.
when they are really stuck and the bushing is tore up I used sawzall. 2 cuts and it comes out, just need to be careful not to cut into the arm and more importantly watch the ebrake cables hahahaha. but instead of hammering forever I only had to hit it a few times.
Bug Lyfe Yeah, I actually used a sawzall on the second one after beating on it for awhile. Great advice!
Oh wait, I watched again... You must the Bush ganging from in to out!!!
+CivicNigga I don't know what you're saying.
i think he means you should of beat on the other side and pushed the bushing out since these bushings are tapered you pushed the larger part thru the hole instead of the opposite which may of been alot easier and you probably wouldn't of had to beat it as hard or as long really i'm gonna be doing mine soon and beating them with a hammer since it "works" and i don't see paying $130 for a special tool for a one time use and i will beat it in the opposite direction you used see if that is easier i'll let you know if you'd like 1999 integra LS btw doing a camber kit at the same time ...hope this helps
Sorry Guys... I mean hammered from In to Out. But I haved no chance with this Method, I must cut the outer Ring. Then falls out.
@@G13BBPower Yup, I mentioned doing it that way(cutting away the rubber part of the bushing and then carefully make two cuts through the metal sleeve and then simply pound it out...voila!) several years ago on this vid when I went by the the screenname "ForeignerPhan". I never did get around to doing this job at the time but I can't wait any longer as one side is totally shot on my '98 CRV and making noise when going over bumps. Gonna do it when I replace the rear struts and stabilizer bar end links. The Schley tool is ridiculously expensive for something most people will hardly need.
no torque to spect...?
You video camera is too close to the object, making it near impossible for the viewer to determine the location of the bolts. Thanks for the video though.
GOD JOP :)
2 words...torque wrench lol
+Chad Charbonneau I like "not necessary" better. :)
“Stripped out” is better yet. Particularly in the case of the 10mm upper control arm bolts that are spec’d at 29ft-lb, but have just been tightened to who knows how many gazillion ft-lb with an impact.
@@matthewstorm5188 IT'S OVER 9000 FT-LBS!!!!
I think I'm gonna call the auto parts store to see if they rent the tool if not I have an impact chisel I'll use.
Javier Camacho I doubt they will have it. Also I tried my impact chisel on it and it didn't help much. You want slow powerful swings with a heavy hammer.
Would you recommend polyurethane bushings?
I can't say to be honest. Give it a go and see how long it lasts!
Javier Camacho watch the vid "How to remove a Acura or Honda Trailing arm bushing" that video is the one with the guy with a blue handle hammer. if you do it that way it is easy and you don't need the tool, if you do it this way then it is harder. The bushing is only meant to come out 1 direction from the back to front and if you look at that rusted bushing in the video you will see if that one comes out that easy all of them will come out easy...if you do it back to front.
I really do not think it matters which way the bushing comes out. The bushing was not tapered in any way, and if it was, it wouldn't be able to come out at all.
How about this, just fill them with urethene or window weld. The broken ones i mean.
I could be wrong but I've only seen people using window weld on motor mounts, not suspension bushings.
Definitely only should be done to motor mounts to make them more solid, I’m not too sure how well that would feel on suspension... 🙄
I know many years ago people were removing smaller rubber bushings by burning them with fire. Perhaps this method would work on this one also. I dont know
Hack Saw! Cut the Metal Ring... It come out easily! :)
Issues I have with the video. One, 0 mention of bolt torque specs. Also, that lower arm bolt should not have been fully tightened until the full weight of the car was back on it so the collar in the middle can get pinched at the right angle.Good points: mentioned watching out for stress on brake lines and the wood block behind the trailing arm.
+John Bodnar its a suspension component. Torque = tight as you can get it.
it's not a head job or something.
i know you're probably fresh from tech school or whatever but most of that shit don't matter
Haha. Assumptions. Been working on cars since mid 90s. Any bolt can be over tightened causing damage. I go by manufacture procedure. But also research online for known issues doing a job for a given car.
Honestly, RobAlpacaflip is correct. Torque specs don't mean much except on certain jobs like a head job or things of that nature. Suspension components are the perfect example of "tighten it until it is good and tight." The reason for this is because for suspension you are bolting into either cast iron or steel. Both materials are very strong and can withstand a large amount of torque, so you don't need to be as careful. Sure you can over do it, but man if you're over doing it with suspension bolts then you really don't know what you're doing.
No disrespect towards you John, but a general trend I have noticed with people who don't work on cars regularly is they obsess over torque specs. In all honestly, for most jobs, it doesn't make a difference.
+MattsMotorz The damage would most likely be to the threads of the bolts and nuts if over tightened. I see such damage all the time on lug nuts and studs that call for almost twice the torque of these suspension components. For videos for noobs, that have not "calibrated" their torquing elbow having a real number makes it better for them.
The second issue has been completely ignored in replies though, that being that with Honda OEM bushing the car should be at rest on a level surface with weight on the wheels before tightening/torquing the suspension bolts/nuts. This is because Honda, and OEM replacement, bushings have the inner and outer sleeves bound to the bushings. Only if using aftermarket bushings that are not bound to the sleeves (like Energy Suspension) is having weight on the wheels is not important.
Yes you are indeed correct. I will put up an annotation for future viewers about the bushing.
Oh thats true its not supposed to come out that way. Thats is incorrect. Its supposed to come out the side facing the outside of the car. The inside of the trailing arm is tapered to prevent it from go thru.
A lil heat on em n they come out Alot easier
стойку притянул на взвешенном колесе без нагрузки - нельзя так делать.
затягивать детали подвески в рабочем положении - без домкрата.
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This would work great if you live anywhere down south with no snow. I live up north and this doesn't work. I have to remove the trailing arm and hammer the shit outta of it 😂😂😂😂
The bushing supposed to be pull you damage the metal hole of the arm.
Air tools must be nice.
i paid $500 to have this done on both rear sides. Ok price or?
oopalonga Severe rip of, should have cost you about $150-200 here in California.
El Ivan for real? : (
oopalonga yeah the bushings are about $40 a piece and it's about 2 hours worth of Labor at most shops at about $40 an hour
lmao wow. amazing. fuck that shop then that i went to x D
what shop are you using that only charges only 40? here in wa most ever shop charges 100-150 an hour
Air chisel would get it out fast
You MUST ONLY torque the bolts wen the suspension is on own weight... you destroy all the rubber bushes wen you lower the car.... understand???
Torque