Ivan Mis-Fires the PARTS CANNON (Neglected Nissan - Part 1)
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- čas přidán 8. 07. 2024
- The owner of this 2006 Nissan XTerra wants to get the vehicle back in shape before selling it.
At 209k miles, the laundry list of problems is quite long.
The Check Engine light is ON, with 4 separate trouble codes!
Let's peel back the onion and address the issues one by one.
The P2A03 - "Air Fuel Sensor Bank 2" code diagnosis gets very interesting, and demonstrates how it is so tempting to fire the PARTS CANNON :)
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Ivan - Auta a dopravní prostředky
It's takes a big man to admit he made a mistake, you are an honest man and mechanic, you don't have to justify what you charge for your time, you're worth every penny
Thanks James, just another learning opportunity on this one, and reinforces the point that more than half the time, the fix is NPR!!
Very very true and that's how you earn your customers trust being honest and trustworthy and yeah not everything works as expected all the time but it happens your customers will always respect your honesty
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics how exactly did you hook up the test light to find out the short to ground?
I always give my Russian friend a "Thumbs Up" for his great video content and his hard work.
Thank you for your support, Richard :)
I love how he refers to himself in the 3rd person. Cant wait for the 2nd part!
AsiaTrash, There's a song from the 70's Ivan called "Everybody plays the fool" no exception to the rule. When I was called that or thought of myself that way I remembered that song and took everything with a big grain of salt. "EVERYBODY" plays the fool at one time or another don't ever forget it and roll on. p.s. you should have hung the mouse from the rear view mirror and see if they notice. Ha! Peace brother!!
Sometime its good to brake your own rules.coz thats the way of being humans we learn by mistakes and improve our skills by repeating the mistake✌
Thank goodness, I was starting to think you're some kind of auto diagnostic Terminator or something, good to see you're human too
Well ivan, you're only human, sometimes we have faults in our mind that shooting parts cannon!! You're not afraid to admit it on video! That shows good character! Nice find to find the fault! Great video! Can't wait part 2!!
I've done the same Ivan. Bought 2 new knock sensors and codes are still in. Now I got to find the problems. I did check out Mr. O vid on knock sensors checks. Don't have time this week. Going to check on my wife's niece car. Throwing the serp belt. Thought I had fixed it. O well. That's for tomorrow do list for me. Then back to my little renovation project. Cheers Ivan.
Just to remind you and others. By 2006 Renault was putting their 5cents into the production of Nissan.
Is that what ruined Nissan?
@@dpeagles In my opinion and experience, yes.
Jeez what a ride. The person who never made a mistake is the person who never did anything, at least you did what you could to make it right. It must have hurt having to call the customer back 2-3 times for approval to continue diag after making the wrong call lol. Happens to the best of us
My daughter's Malibu Maxx had a growl from the front end. It was loudest on the passenger side. I was certain it was the passenger side. I fired the parts canon at the passenger side front wheel bearing. Turned out to be the driver's side wheel bearing. Fortunately, the one I removed was still good and I didn't destroy it, so it's happily living in the driver's side. Sometimes the parts canon works, but most of the time a solid diagnosis is your best bet (as you well know). Great video as usual.
A good way to see which one is bad is to find a curvey road and listen when the sound goes away. By turning left and right you load one bearing and then the other. This trick works real well.
@@mikefoehr235 Not entirely foolproof, especially since the bearings are double-row, so depends if the defect is on the inner or outer row...
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics It has worked for me. Nothing more annoying is a bad bearing....the sound is like Chinese water torture.
I've done the same thing too!!
On a Chrysler passenger car. Did the swap out and it all went Well!! All the best from Canada
I was told by an old shop hand, long ago, that the bad wheel bearing is always the opposite side of what you hear. That has always held true in my experience. Never figured out the mechanics of it.
What a rollercoaster this video Ivan, had fun watching your diag.
I would love to see you diagnose a modern 6 wire A/F sensor, as they can be a pain to diagnose properly.
As you noticed the voltage reading of 1.3V to 1.5V does not give a good image of rich and lean, but does give a trend to see whats happening.
To truly see rich and lean you need the mA readings in the data list which you did not have unfortunately, however i do believe the eobd A/F sensor data showing voltage of 0-1V are derived from the mA data. Maybe you could use those.
Dont be to hard on yourself, this is how we learn.
Thanks for your honesty Ivan.
There are times where we get to thinking that we are so sure of what the problem is, that we will pre-load the parts cannon, without even looking, and it backfires on us. It happens to the best of us. So don't beat yourself up on a miss diagnosis too much. An honest mechanic will admit they made a mistake. And then do what they can to redeem themselves. Great content by the way. I can't wait to see what the actual problem is.
I've watched you make a diagnosis like this many times over the years, yet it still impresses the hell out of me. Love your content. Thanks Ivan!
Hey John, I really appreciate your positive comments on every video! I have a cool project in the works, and am thinking of sharing it with my top fans exclusively to get feedback before releasing it to the public 😉
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Ivan, you're an amazing young man. I'm sure that whatever you endeavor to do will be a success. Happy to help in whatever way I can.
@@baxrok2. email me at ivan@pinehollowdiagnostics.com for details 👍
Good one Ivan , this is like watching a mystery movie with two parts just as we are getting somewhere part one ends with a cliff hanger.I found myself say Dang it, what do you mean stay tuned for part 2. You got me brother. Can't wait to see the conclusion, I am on the edge of my seat.
thank you for the feedback, Tracy! Part 2 should be up sometime tomorrow :)
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Hooray!!
Great trouble shooting Ivan! Your honesty and integrity shows as a Diagnostician when you admitted to the customer your mis-diagnosis and for firing the parts canon for the AF Sensor. Other shops will surely just put it in the parts list and say its also broken and charge the customer for it on top of the other repairs.
Looking forward to the short to ground tracing on that harness, hopefully it's going to be at an easy to reach area. Cheers!
Hi Aldrin,
As one of my most consistent contributors in the comments, I would like to invite you to participate in providing feedback on a new project that I am working on.
If interested, send me an email at ivan@pinehollowdiagnostics.com for details.
Thank you!
Ivan
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics , email sent Ivan.
Real & raw material, respect 💯 .
Ivan.. well we are all human and mistakes are always expected! Im glad You admitted yo mistakes and still decided to share it up. So we can still learn brávo
I bet that crusty mouse caused that short to ground. lol Great Vid buddy.
I worked in a 100,000 sq ft engine rebuilding plant. There were mice in break room. Poison was put out. BAD IDEA! The mice died in the walls, and that tiny break room STUNK UP the entire plant for two weeks. Imagine the smell in that cab while Mickey mummified.
As usual, a very valuable educational tool in scan tools and thought procedure. That's why I never miss a PHAD vid!!
I saw the flag in the background and that finally compelled me to subscribe. I should have when I first saw you on SMA and when one of your video in July gave me the missing piece on how to fix my Ford 4WD. The flag was the final straw.
Welcome to the channel! 👍
I'm enjoying the mystery of this crazy issue. Now you're on to it.
Ivan to be 100% honest with you , your customers probably have no clue how smart you are
with your diag. skills. I have mechanic friends and if I showed them your diag thought process
they would not follow along at all. Great work man.
I really enjoy these videos. Well done Ivan.
Cant wait for Part 2 Ivan. Dont keep me dangling!! Great study also:)
great video, interesting to see your process with this neglected nissan
It's easier to learn from another's mistakes, than from your own, but harder to forget when they are your own.
Ivan... Great vid! I can't hardly wait for part 2!
Soon!
I remember doing valve cover gaskets on an xterra. When I pulled the valve covers off the sludge held the shape of the valve cover and I had to dig it out with a spoon and other stuff
Going into active test. Go to fuel injection select Air fuel sensors 02 sensors and rpm. Kick it up to 2000 rpm and play with the mix. You can watch how all 4 sensors respond .
Another good mystery. 👍
great vid Ivan
I've had parts cannon episodes myself-Don't we all. Heard a howling noise on my wife's odyssey. Easy, wheel bearing rear passenger side (that's where the noise is coming from). Nope: 4 wheel bearings later (front and rear), calipers, rotors and pads all the way around and still didn't fix the issue. I was getting ready to trade it in because I was literally going insane. It was at the point where my family didn't want to drive with me because I was so focused on the noise. Decided to get the rear tire "re-balanced". The guy said your tire is balanced no problem but you have a little bubble on the side wall of the tire. I was relieved but wanted to cry at the same time. New tire and new rear shocks later and I am still sane. Thanks for the great video!
Wow that's crazy haha
It happens to us all at some point.
I like to think of it as a reminder to get my head out of my butt or next time it could be worse and cost more lol
Nice job and thanks for sharing that you are human like the rest of us lol
Great video.
Nothing better than a cold beer some chips and some pine hollow diagnostics on a friday night!! Great job Ivan!!but the cliffhangers kill me LOL
thanks Ivan love your channel mate
Another good case study. I like when you use the Verus and hope that some of the tests you do stick in my brain. Maybe the misfired parts cannon was an accidental discharge? That does happen from time to time to the best gunnies.
Waiting for pt.2 👍
Sometimes the fastest diagnosis is plugging in a new part.
Indeed...I guess depends on the price of the part too haha
Ivan must of been having an off day. Cause his diagnosis is usually rite on the money 💴
That whine on start up is the secondary timing chain shoes are worn through. Common on older VQ40.
I've ran into this code before but it didn't fool me benefit of knowing Nissans very well.
Good one Ivan.
God I missed the good ole verus. Been a while since I've seen it lol.
It used to be the staple of this channel haha.
Damnit Ivan, you WILL figure it out. 🥺
That's why there's a Part 2 :))
Ivan, I still think you are the most detailed Diagnostic Technician on You Tube. Others are very good, but you always (with exceptions) go the 110% on a proven Diagnosis. I think just about every Technician out there has been bit by firing the Parts Cannon too early. I've learned that lesson the hard way.
Yup that's the really intriguing part about this field... No matter how much experience you have, you learn something new almost every day!!
AWESOME, AWESOME - AWESOME!!!
Ivan, we're waiting with "baited breath" for you to find the "short to ground." Looking forward to your next video. Thanks for Sharing!
Some have parts machine gun...many shots.
Good job Comrade Tzastrovia
wow amazing
Good on ya Ivan, love ya work mate. Looking forward to the next one 🍻🍻👍👍🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
We all make mistakes. You're on the right path now, I'm sure you'll find the problem in part 2.
One thing to remember s cars all the way back to EEC III would use presets on some pids if readings are not present also.
That mouse is going to be the “person of interest” in this crime. 🤔
Don't worry Ivan. If you ever get tired of fixing cars you can go to Hollywood and be a stunt double for James Bond actor Daniel Craig. (younger version)
sweet vid. i have one on the books for just like that but it had a bad converter. Owner had converter replaced and now it smokes.
This is what I hate because he didn’t have to say anything about the mistake to the customer. 99% of the mechanics out there won’t admit the mistake and they just charge you for a sensor and labor that you didn’t need. I had a mechanic change a starter on my pickup and it was a broke wire. He didn’t tell me and he fixed the wire but still charged me for the new starter and his labor changing it. The only way I found out is his wire repair broke a couple weeks later. I wasn’t mad because I couldn’t expect him to do all that work for free. I was just a little upset because he tried to hide his mistake. His mistake costed me more money.
Exactly. Honesty goes a long way!
Some O2 sensors have a atmosphere passage made into to wire coating. If that is the type you have to be sure that is not interrupted or blocked.
An additional 'confirmation' you could have employed if the wiggle test didn't locate the problem is the venerable amp clamp.
You'd probably want to use a slightly higher wattage test light (eg: 12 Watt so that you have a full Amp running to the short.
You amp-clamp could then trace WHERE in the harness this errant amp was flowing and, once you went PAST the location of the short, you would 'lose' that current in the harness.
NB: This test relies on the distant end of the whole harness being 'open' first to eliminate a wire'to-ground-wire short.
Prolly burns oil
We need an Ivan class on O2 sensors, air fuel ratio sensors and their readings. How can you tell you have a bad cat.?
Ahh that sucks! Good to know I'm not the only one that's wung a sensor at a vehicle based on scan data. I've got lucky a few times, but the law of averages catches up eventually!
I had a '04 Yukon in here recently - had a power mode master input circuit mismatch code and a class 2 comm code. Crank, no start. First thing I did was look at wiring, and all the grounds. Thought for sure that ground on the left front body mount was going to be all rust. Undercarriage was next to mint, with a heavy dose of fluid film. Nothing stood out. Checked all fuses - all good. I had to step back and look at what I had. It
Stands next to a giant brown bear with a red star on his forehead, while I don a giant Soviet era military cap, both of us shaking our heads in disapproval as the nationale plays in the background.😐
I am surprised we don't have "safety inspections" here in California. Emissions tests are required every 2 years or upon sale for all cars of the model year 1976 and newer. Newer models just need a computer scan. Older models require a tailpipe/ roller test. On the flip side we have just about every other restriction you can think of, lol.
Well "safety" inspections are really real unless you care about the list. It's just a way for department of revenue to justify the cost of plates. At least here in Missouri. That is also a required minimum time for the check and a maximum allowed charge. That' kinda says it all. Most shops will start looking for something easy to fix so they get paid. There is one dealership where I can take anything and it will pass. Every place else makes you "schedule" an appointment and they are always 1-2 months out for an inspection. It's a pretty broken and pointless system. Ivan just made a good faith effort to address things that are on the check list.
I believe Utah has safety inspections. If your windscreen is cracked. Brakes are bad or exhaust. No sticker for plates.
Nissans truly are the Chrysler of Japanese automobiles.
haha that's a good analogy. Is Toyota like GM and Honda like Ford?
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics I think I'd have to call Mazda the Ford and Isuzu the GM for obvious reasons.
NO! Not the parts cannon! That torn boot will cause a code. I don't remember what code but I got one on a Murano a few months ago. I think it caused a lean code.
mmmmm.... Dehydrated mice, my favorite work snack
This customer won’t sell the car after you’re done with it 😀
Too bad all the good diagnostics/ mechanics are online!!! Obviously you, Eric O, and scanner danner!
If you ever do a road trip to Los Angeles LMK I’ll be the first one to hire your services!!! 😀
Well, at least it was just a small misfire---that's better than replacing something expensive like a transmission, only to find out it was just a bad sensor or shift solenoid
I'd say good a rule is the more expensive the part the more confirmation you need to justify it.
herd about this guy on the Richardson Ham Radio Repeater.
Basically a AF sensor needs to be calibrated. And the best way to do it is to use the rear o2s. However there are various crazy patents around (patents for things so obvious that they should not exist) AF calibration. The way around this is to not document how things actually work and to make the software logic strange and obscure so that any court action for brech of patent would never succeed.
I guess you also fixed the "squeaking under the dash" complaint.
Good on you Ivan for sticking in there.If you cannot trust the data, the readings AND the wiring is bad it's not really surprising that there a few Rabbit Holes to fall down.Bet you are not the first one to encounter this as,even when the wiring is fixed, the Nissan data system seems,by default, to also work against you.Hopefully the video will off set the cost of the A/F sensor if you cannot return it.
These damn cliff hangers LOL
Try under fast track data you might see ratios and on voltages together .
Watch for exhaust leaks . The computer We'll trip A/F codes if the rear 02 sensors are picking up extra oxygen.
Scotty Kilmer will be proud of him
Isn't that good stuff, no mechanic here, just enjoy watching Ivan and the diagnostic trail and going in for the kill
Hey Ivan what do you think about launch 431 torque scan tool. That's what I have, is it better them think tool?
Most other mechanics would just charge for the sensor AND for the further diagnosis saying it was just one of the many things wrong. Next time I hear a bad noise or engine light goes off, I’m driving the 800 miles for you to diagnose the problem. Probably be cheaper than my local dealer!
I hate when the rear O2's or conditions with them get to control the fuel trims.
You know Ivan I think you're going to do quite well for yourself over the next few years. With a shortage of new vehicles and America (and the world) headed into the next great depression there is so many old broken vehicles which probably foxed the average parts changer which will need to get put back on the road to meet peoples motoring needs.
Man, a white nissan xterra with secondary timing chain whine, cat codes, and pealing paint. Never seen that before....
Love the reusable shrink rap😜
Looking forward to the sequel , lots of curve balls there with scanners etc but as usual you found the issue. I'm using your techniques in my trade of commercial kitchen equipment troubleshooting not firing the parts canon anymore these days. Use the brain test properly before making a diagnosis.
Awesome!
Ivan, do you soak new serpentine belts in “303 Protectant”? it will make them last MUCH longer.
Can you help me find the adapter that you used to bring the power and grounds to volt meter???
Great video.
Look up PowerProbe extension. See my Amazon store!
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Thanks for the help.
5:09 If you gotta be bad at something, at least it’s something that’s not bright, you shouldn’t do anyway. Haha 😆
👌👌👌
yeah, mistake was , resolve that check engine light first, everything else is easy to replace
You need NDS2 for pre2009 Nissan
You had said somebody rewired it? Did they wire it correctly?
cool
Hello Ivan
Will the thinktool pros program 2000 lexus and 2015 lexus smart keys? Thanks!
Johnny
We always called "parts cannon" troubleshooting shot gunning it.
I’m on my second Nissan and Nissan are good at eating up cats. On the first Nissan not educating myself how sensor work in other words how the car operates I changed all the sensors making things worse. And last word of advice is to stick with original parts. Don’t buy after market on them Nissans.
amazing, but with a mouse in the car it's good that it did not create more than one problem.
I'd say this passes as Statin Island express:P
My 2009 Nissan marano 235,000 miles stalls while driving after replacing Catalytic converter, Oz sensor with code of idle something needed. Can this be fixed?
Is it ok to put battery voltage to the sensor wire? The ecm wont blow up?
With a low current test light. The light i use is about 250 mA.
@@phillipwilson6781 i highly appreciated the tip. I will try it out. Thanks