Fiat Turbo GRENADES! (feat. Michael Jackson)

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  • čas přidán 3. 03. 2023
  • Welcome to the FIAT SMOKE SHOW!
    Today we have a 2015 Fiat 500 Abarth 1.4L Turbo that at 67k miles decided to transition its gender to a Naturally-Aspirated model with DIRECT OIL INJECTION.
    Let's swap out the BUSTED turbocharger with an aftermarket Chinese unit, fill it up with oil, and see if Michael Jackson appears from the smoke :D
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    Enjoy!
    Ivan
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Komentáře • 763

  • @SuperDd40
    @SuperDd40 Před rokem +222

    the smog OK sticker in the windshield is hilariously accurate.🤣

    • @pigeonsil240sx
      @pigeonsil240sx Před rokem +3

      i past smog with flying colors with blown ring lands and smoke pouring out the exhaust back in the early 2000s,maybe because engine burning oil isnt releasing the wrong gasses?

    • @TheBry_Guy
      @TheBry_Guy Před rokem +10

      "There is SMOG?" CHECK! OK then... :)

    • @robpeabo509
      @robpeabo509 Před rokem +1

      Very true!

    • @watsisbuttndo829
      @watsisbuttndo829 Před rokem +5

      Used the same measuring equipment as diesel VW,s

    • @abdul-kabiralegbe5660
      @abdul-kabiralegbe5660 Před rokem

      Came to the comments to say this but Hawkeye here beat me to it LOL.

  • @JackS425
    @JackS425 Před rokem +31

    These Chinese turbos are actually pretty good for being cheap. I love those little fiat abarths they’re so fun to drive, it’s like driving a flea

    • @WookiRahh
      @WookiRahh Před rokem

      they also do a punto version that i had call the abarth punto esseesse was a really nice car garrettt turbo from standard otherwise its the ihi chinese

  • @stevietheg2580
    @stevietheg2580 Před rokem +85

    seen these type of failures on turbo cars so many times here in the UK with smaller engines whether diesel or petrol (gas) engines, it usually all comes down to lack of oil changes, the owner extending the service interval or private sellers and dealers resetting the oil service counter without actually changing the oil

    • @tm199100
      @tm199100 Před rokem +11

      I would say on top of this, just giving it the beans.. which if you have this car, you will hoon around for sure..

    • @RicksterMW2
      @RicksterMW2 Před rokem +5

      Or they use cheap crappy oil, I only use Liqui Moly in my Fiesta Ecoboost.

    • @stevendegreef93
      @stevendegreef93 Před rokem +6

      @@tm199100 College kid driving it 🙄

    • @gregmckinney6977
      @gregmckinney6977 Před rokem +12

      I've also seen it happen, specially with plain bearing turbos, that people come right off the highway, park and shut the engine off right away. Cokes the oil, scores the bearing and seizes it on the shaft.

    • @davidbonnett5441
      @davidbonnett5441 Před rokem +10

      I'm sure you did but did you check the oil feed and drain pipes for blockage? If not, you could be heading down the same path pretty shortly. Most failures are due to poor oil condition or no oil.
      P.s not a dig at your process, love your work, just a tip for someone that possibly hasn't done one before.

  • @mikec81
    @mikec81 Před rokem +41

    The 'smog ok' sticker while billowing a giant cloud of smoke going down the driveway killed me lmao

  • @ALEX-xd7ko
    @ALEX-xd7ko Před rokem +12

    Hes going to be replacing his cats real soon 😬

    • @volvo09
      @volvo09 Před rokem

      If they survive I'll be shocked...
      But I'm sure Ivan let the owner know what is likely ahead...
      This is obviously a cost restricted repair. Hopefully it works out for the owner. I hate people being screwed by catalysts in otherwise good cars that are on a budget.

    • @RobertHancock1
      @RobertHancock1 Před rokem +1

      Hard to say. If it wasn't driven like that for long then it may survive. Just might need to drive it for a bit to cook the rest of the oil deposits off..

  • @t.s.racing
    @t.s.racing Před rokem +1

    I have been building, racing, tuning, designing, dyno testing Turbocharged applications my entire career.
    1- religiously change your oil and filter with the correct grade, and premium quality oil and filter.
    2- EVERY time before turning your engine off, allow time for the Turbocharger to spool or slow down before shutting off your engine.
    Shutting off your engine shuts off the oil supply to the Turbo, which can still be spinning 10,000-100,000 r.p.m.s.
    Following these 2 very basic guidelines and your Turbocharger should easily last as long as your engine.
    Thanks Ivan, for allowing me this opportunity to perhaps help a few of your subscribers. Excellent video as always.
    T.S. RACING

    • @t.s.racing
      @t.s.racing Před rokem

      There are devices you can buy to allow you to leave your vehicle idling for a set or adjustable amount of time, and you can lock the doors and leave. They're worth every penny of the small investment. Of course use common sense when leaving your vehicle in a public place. Also, many modern day Turbocharged cars have liquid cooled Turbochargers, ie., the same coolant your engine uses. If your coolant/anti-freeze is beyond its service limit, not only will it not cool your engine properly, it won't cool your Turbocharger, AND AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION as well. Read that last part again please.
      And yes folks I understand that it's the radiator that actually
      " exchanges " the heat.

  • @anthonynofi4871
    @anthonynofi4871 Před rokem +13

    the sticker on the windshield states "SMOG OK"

  • @CarlSutton
    @CarlSutton Před rokem +6

    Love the “Smog OK” sticker on the windshield.

  • @scrappy7571
    @scrappy7571 Před rokem +26

    Seen this plenty of times working in gm dealerships. Replaced plenty of blown up turbos on the old Grand Ams with the 2.0 , and now it's the pos 1.4L cruze. Turbo's don't like lack of maintenance.

    • @buckaroobonsi555
      @buckaroobonsi555 Před rokem +5

      Yes plenty of oil changes are a must on any Turbo. I prefer synthetic but even back in the 1980's when Castrol GTX 20W50 was the norm on Turbo anything you had to do the maintenance. Even worse on a diesel when the turbo seal blows and you get a run away diesel!

    • @timewa851
      @timewa851 Před rokem

      these cars, 2015, they are now old. and paid off. Tiny engine, tiny lifespan. Go get another.

    • @ua7pyro591
      @ua7pyro591 Před rokem

      Grand AM rip

    • @EggyGTO
      @EggyGTO Před rokem +4

      ​@@timewa851 its a tiny car too.. but 140hp form 1.4l engine is a lot! I m pretty sure the owner drives it aggressively and .. the result is this.

    • @Texasmade4444444444
      @Texasmade4444444444 Před rokem

      Yeah in a guy with a cruze and the turbo went out under 60k miles yeah he warrantied it then traded it in

  • @stoner0046
    @stoner0046 Před rokem +4

    In the 1980's, I worked at a Chrysler dealership, and I repaired many of the Conquests model cars with the 2.6 lt 4Cyl motors, (this car was a Mitsubishi Starion sold under the Chrysler name). In the few years I worked there I must have replaced dozens of turbo because of lack of preventive maintenance by the owner. The oil lines to the turbo would cake-up if the owner didn't change the oil regularly or if they didn't use synthetic oil,which was still rare in the 80"s.

    • @mph5896
      @mph5896 Před rokem +2

      I had a 2.2 Turbo in a Daytona. It was owned by a Chrysler engineer before I got it. Had 180k on it, original turbo which was unheard of. He changed out the feed and return lines as PM saving the turbo.

  • @petepeabody8905
    @petepeabody8905 Před rokem +32

    Ivan, Your resourcefulness never seems to do nothing but amaze me. I really enjoy you explaining what the vehicles issues are and how you attack them. Thank you and GOD bless...Pete

    • @ClaudeSac
      @ClaudeSac Před rokem

      Keep your god to yourself please.

    • @petepeabody8905
      @petepeabody8905 Před rokem

      @@ClaudeSac GOD is our creator and Jesus Christ is our Savior. If you don't believe in the all mighty it will be your doom. However is is love and will always have a spot for anyone who chooses. I will pray for you....Pete.

    • @ClaudeSac
      @ClaudeSac Před rokem

      @@petepeabody8905 so you sound like one of the good guys, awesome. Thank you for praying for me so that I may one day become like you, I appreciate it!
      I will return the favor and wait patiently for the day that you will abandon your god; for the truth cannot be hidden forever, for no man.
      Keep in touch pete!

  • @mrjsv4935
    @mrjsv4935 Před rokem +7

    Very cool case and thanks for taking the time and effort for teardowns, very interesting and educating stuff :)

  • @DonDegidio
    @DonDegidio Před rokem +10

    Hi Ivan,
    Hadn't seen smoke like that since my youth when they would fog for mosquitos. 🙂 Nice repair without taking off everything service manual mentioned. You and your family stay safe.

  • @mikechiodetti4482
    @mikechiodetti4482 Před rokem +3

    Good one Ivan!
    The last turbo I replaced was on a truck with a Cummins Compressed Natural Gas (CNG) engine. The shafts seals were bad because no one had changed what looked like a factory catch can and filter for the PCV system. The filter was partially plugged.
    TURBOS ARE NOT CHEAP!
    It's better to change the engine oil way before the OEM recommends changing it.
    Another item with turbos. After driving the vehicle, let it idle for 5 minutes before switching off the engine to let the turbo "cool down" and reduce it's RPM'S.
    Remember. When the engine shuts down, the turbo is still spinning and there's no oil being delivered to it!
    Never shut off the engine after fast or aggressive driving. Let the engine idle for a few minutes.
    Turbos spin at many more thousands of RPM'S than the engine and they need LOTS of clean fresh oil!

    • @ghoulbuster1
      @ghoulbuster1 Před rokem

      Turbos nowadays come with a coolant line to prevent that, it should not be necessary to do that if you're just driving normally on the streets.

  • @mattmaxon7783
    @mattmaxon7783 Před 6 měsíci +1

    did an installation of a replacement CNC lathe that made the turbo shaft. The whole machining cell was there and I observed the entire machining, assembly, and testing operation while we tested our CNC Lathe, very cool to see the turbos in action

  • @pingpong9656
    @pingpong9656 Před rokem +6

    Seems like the last people who worked on the valve cover leak forgot to bolt the turbo support bracket - leading to violent shaking and catastrophic failure. Customer could claim cost against previous shoddy work... I don't like to be a comeback customer, but it almost seems justified here given the cost involved.

  • @GeminiSeven43
    @GeminiSeven43 Před rokem +37

    Love these oddball videos and your patience is incredible Ivan. How in the world did the cat/sensors survive the oil bath? Awesome job and a very interesting tear down of the turbo in the end. How in the world is that running on such a small diameter shaft? Wow. Thanks so much!!!!

    • @ferrumignis
      @ferrumignis Před rokem +4

      That's a normal sized shaft for a turbo of that size. They don't transfer a lot of torque amd the smaller they are they less the drag imposed by the bearings.

    • @delwhylie4748
      @delwhylie4748 Před rokem +10

      My question is how can the converter not be completely plugged ?

    • @abdul-kabiralegbe5660
      @abdul-kabiralegbe5660 Před rokem

      ​@@delwhylie4748 Perhaps they're hot enough to prevent the oil from condensing on them, plus the exhaust pressure helps too I guess.

    • @RollingRoadEFI
      @RollingRoadEFI Před rokem +2

      @@delwhylie4748 Or completely melted

  • @duncanevenson4621
    @duncanevenson4621 Před rokem +8

    During my apprenticeship I replaced quite a few primary turbos on the old Subaru twin turbo legacy's. There was a filter in the banjo bolt oil supply that got blocked up. Fun job, big smoke cloud s for a few km's on test drive.

    • @frankmasters3796
      @frankmasters3796 Před rokem +2

      I saw a video on Turbo Disintergration as well, customer was in a different City had a Local Shop REPLACE the Turbo all is well, he drove back to his Town and Disaster!. Local shop in Town took a look Turbo problem again, turn out the Oil pipe to Turbo was BLOCKED, previous Shop didn't replace pipe which is part of repair kit.
      THANKS Ivan for Great VIDEOS.

  • @kastooMcFry
    @kastooMcFry Před rokem +1

    When you started that thing, it had me laughing to the point of me starting to cough, one that just wouldn't stop. Maybe psychosomatic on my part, seeing that much smoke. Fun fix. Thanks for taking us along, Ivan.

  • @thenuge88
    @thenuge88 Před rokem +16

    I’ve never seen oil dripping out the tailpipe like that lol 🤣

    • @fowlejonathan4047
      @fowlejonathan4047 Před rokem

      Yep had a BMW 330d did that. Took about 20 miles to clear up after a new turbo fitted, part of the old impeller is rattling in the exhaust to this day, (another 50k and still going strong)

  • @brianw8963
    @brianw8963 Před rokem +5

    Cats next? Sure hope the Mrs. Wasn’t home for that start up. Good stuff Ivan. 👍👍

    • @brianw8963
      @brianw8963 Před rokem

      Stepped down area right where the shaft broke. Not a good design,possibly a bit of a corner there.

  • @bernardaflores1720
    @bernardaflores1720 Před rokem +2

    Lots of great comments below, I LOVE that you used my favorite oil for turbo cars: Rotella 5W-40.

  • @zx8401ztv
    @zx8401ztv Před rokem +7

    Well done ivan :-D
    I'm surprised that the catalitic converter wasn't dead with oil saturation.
    Nice little car though, easy to park and a speed machine :-D.

  • @ckm-mkc
    @ckm-mkc Před rokem +4

    My Jag blew it's turbo at 55k. I blame long oil change intervals + start stop + diesel + city driving. The combination is deadly. It was fixed under warranty before I bought the car at 57k miles. The total cost to repair was somewhere around $17k as they replaced everything from the manifold to the tailpipe. I disabled start stop and the oil change interval is now 3-4k miles instead of 10k.

  • @terrallputnam7979
    @terrallputnam7979 Před rokem +3

    Ivan, I am impressed with your knowledge of auto electric and diagnostics. I had a friend in Cincinnati that knew how to really diagnose auto electric problems. Unfortunately he retired and no mechanic in Augusta Georgia seems to know how to diagnose auto electric gremlins.

  • @baxrok2.
    @baxrok2. Před rokem +16

    Good stuff Ivan. Just looked at an Abarth for sale locally, says it smokes and "probably needs a turbo." lol Thanks Ivan!

    • @bikeman1x11
      @bikeman1x11 Před rokem +1

      if its cheap enough a $500 turbo may fix it!

    • @B0xlife1
      @B0xlife1 Před rokem

      Everybody wants too much for stuff nowadays especially a used broken car

  • @jgeorges3061
    @jgeorges3061 Před rokem +2

    IVAN, give thump up before even watching the video yet because i now this will be fun/awesome to watch thanks for what u do brother.

  • @Jonesey30000
    @Jonesey30000 Před rokem +2

    Nice work Ivan. I snapped an impeller shaft on my 1.9 TDi 2006 VW Golf. Happened at about 160,000 km (100,000 mi), but unlike the Abarth it didn't dump oil into the exhaust. The turbo on a Golf is on the back of the engine, so you have to remove right hand front wheel and drive shaft to get it out.

  • @elrobo3568
    @elrobo3568 Před rokem +3

    NHTSA has received a complaint about a turbo granading but I found no recalls for that year (not running the VIN) Great job and I am very glad I am retired!

    • @dustcommander100
      @dustcommander100 Před rokem +1

      NTSHA probably just requires that no impeller blades leave the housing. That's how it is with NTSB and jet engine parts!

  • @AP9311
    @AP9311 Před rokem +2

    Hehe, Ivan, turbo blew! Wow, nice smoke stack lol!! Not too bad of a job to replace the turbo! I hate small engine job coz of lack of space! But you made it easy to do! I'm sure turbo fail is pretty common thing! But great job fixing all the issues and bonus footage! X2!! Great video Ivan

  • @JT-dx1qk
    @JT-dx1qk Před rokem +38

    U gotta find a way for a 2 post lift , you deserve one 👍

    • @Bizija123
      @Bizija123 Před rokem

      So do I ... :D

    • @InsideOfMyOwnMind
      @InsideOfMyOwnMind Před rokem +2

      You're never going to get one in that little garage. What he needs is a shop.

    • @KennyNica
      @KennyNica Před rokem +1

      He can have the roof raised a few feet to make more room for the lift.

    • @NotAnonymousNo80014
      @NotAnonymousNo80014 Před rokem +1

      @@KennyNica And a new thicker concrete floor poured, so easy.

    • @InsideOfMyOwnMind
      @InsideOfMyOwnMind Před rokem +1

      @@NotAnonymousNo80014Also knowing Ivan (as a viewer) I don't think he would have a place with an HOA but still you notice the garage door is almost always closed? Neighbors. He needs a shop.

  • @krisallen7198
    @krisallen7198 Před rokem +3

    I owned a 2013 dart with the 1.4 turbo, ran good lots of pep. Traded it off at 80,000 miles never had any turbo issues or really any engines issues to speak of.

  • @richhelm21
    @richhelm21 Před rokem +1

    Well, at least the exhaust wont rot out! 🤣

  • @jamesburton3274
    @jamesburton3274 Před rokem +2

    Hi Ivan, love the channel. I have seen several turbo failures where the oil drain line has been blocked starving the turbo of lubrication, usually due to poor oil hygiene. High crankcase pressure has a similar effect. It is imperative to take the turbo oil drain pipe off and prove it is clear and the oil feed pipe as well.

  • @huntnfishnuts5880
    @huntnfishnuts5880 Před rokem +3

    That's very similar to the turbo set up on a Chevy Cruze 1.4, I see a lot of failures with them but have not yet seen a broken impeler, usually underboost codes with broken wastegate, I have seen lots of Ford 6.0 and the older dodge Cummins turbos wear out shafts and leak into the exhaust. That was something to see that much oil coming out the tailpipe.

  • @jerryking2418
    @jerryking2418 Před rokem

    Gives new meaning to the term ‘smoker’. Nice repair job.

  • @ice44567
    @ice44567 Před rokem +9

    The 1.4T engine in these is surprisingly good actually, I had one for many years (Abarth version) and beat the ever loving piss out of it with no major issues. I also worked on a lot of them since the dealers wouldn't touch them after around 2017 or so. Bad turbos weren't super uncommon, that's for sure. Especially past 60K miles. Cheap journal bearing units that have to do a lot of work. The side mount intercooler system was also very complicated due to the lack of space and created many different potential leak points that further stressed out the turbo when it was trying to hit its 25PSI target.

    • @mph5896
      @mph5896 Před rokem +3

      I worked on one a few months back in a Dodge Dart. Valve cover gasket, t-belt, water pump/tensioner, oil cooler gasket and vacuum pump is what I did. I did buy a knockoff timing belt tool kit off Amazon that worked well. Straightforward engine to work on with no surprises.

    • @powerspec88
      @powerspec88 Před rokem +4

      I own a 13 Abarth and LOVE IT! I'm at 135k miles and she's tuned to make 195HP to the wheels. Making ~22psi seems to be the sweet spot for me. Everything is still stock besides my blow off adapter I installed. I change the oil ever 3k and spark plugs at 25k and she purrs to life every morning!

    • @richardprice5978
      @richardprice5978 Před rokem

      was it generally quiet ( vs normal hydraulic lifter's ect ) to drive as i was told that at least the earlier models and or programming the valve's/under-hood ticked a lot?

  • @shonepolk9112
    @shonepolk9112 Před rokem +2

    Never felt bad for an O2 sensor before lol. Good news is, mosquitoes won’t be a problem, bad news is, someone at the EPA has a hard on for you now 🤣🤣. All kidding aside, great work as always Ivan, thanks for the awesome content 👍

  • @bigal-ox9jw
    @bigal-ox9jw Před rokem +1

    WOW.. brings back memories, had a 1980 Buick regal ,3.8 litre turbo , think was late 80's , I was with a couple friends away for weekend trip, prior to trip I remember doing something under hood with vacuum , it started smoking on return trip (160 kms) gad to stop every 30 minutes to add oil, smoke show whole way home, took out engine and replace it later with used engine.

  • @dil6969
    @dil6969 Před rokem +3

    This brings back good memories. Used to work at Fiat and we had a 500 Turbo Cabriolet with less than 25K on it that blew a seal in the turbo and totally smoked out the shop. People get intimidated by removing the front-end, but it looks more difficult than it actually is. I remember being surprised warranty authorized replacing the muffler because it was soaked with oil. I remember we just removed and flushed the rest of the exhaust.
    I gained a lot of respect for these little 1.4L after seeing customers run them nearly out of oil, tow them behind RVs still in gear and a whole host of other abuse and stupidity. Rarely did they end up not starting right up. The turbo is the weakest link in the entire powertrain IMO. The later cars got either an updated Honeywell or Garrett turbo later down the line that seemed to work better.

    • @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
      @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics  Před rokem +1

      This one was a Honeywell that grenaded lol

    • @tjnucnuc
      @tjnucnuc Před rokem +1

      Wow never seen a Honeywell on an abarth. I have a first year and it’s a Garrett.

    • @WookiRahh
      @WookiRahh Před rokem +1

      @@tjnucnuc same i had the abarth punto esseesse and that had garrett from factory

    • @richardprice5978
      @richardprice5978 Před rokem

      i thought 💭the multi air "brick" run's in hydraulic springs&power so low oil should = engine shut's off ??? and or no starting?
      copying it for my v8 1969 hemi dodge

    • @richardprice5978
      @richardprice5978 Před rokem

      glad to find it's not that fragile as people are trying to convince ( not buying into the fear ect ) me, as there saying between this and the cam-in-cam/vipers-styled cam and VCR-rod's-Nissan-styled im going to feel sorry 😔and have a windowed block from rod's hitting a valve's , but im taking steps so isn't leaving me stranded on the side of the road 😉

  • @kevinbarry71
    @kevinbarry71 Před rokem +12

    Oil light comes on; decides he needs to drive it home. What possible harm could that do? On the positive side, that aftermarket turbo should last the life of the car

    • @gorak9000
      @gorak9000 Před rokem +1

      Does the aftermarket turbo actually have a larger shaft? If not, it'll probably break again.

  • @disgruntledfaerie
    @disgruntledfaerie Před rokem

    That pick trick is great. Never would have thought of that in a million years.

  • @theadventuresofjavier8698

    Should have played the theme song from cheech and Chong up in smoke

  • @jareddixon2920
    @jareddixon2920 Před rokem +1

    Had a Detroit diesel dd15 snap 2 turbo rod shafts within a month. First one was put on with just draining the intake and exhaust like in this video. After the second one we dug into it a bit more. Ended up finding his CAC was partially plugged off, so figured it was too much of a load on the little shaft? It didn’t appear to be from oil from the first turbo failing, but did find the air filter to be fairly dirty. Maintenance is definitely key.

  • @CanesTech
    @CanesTech Před rokem

    "And now for our feature presentation" ... you crack me up!

  • @sewing1243
    @sewing1243 Před rokem +23

    How long do oil filled Catalytic Convertors last?

    • @mikefoehr235
      @mikefoehr235 Před rokem +1

      Great question

    • @milantrcka121
      @milantrcka121 Před rokem +2

      Wondering about the same. Right now they are toast. Maybe the oil will burn off? Or maybe not. Certainly they are not liking it.

    • @citichap
      @citichap Před rokem +2

      YES! That's the next one to fail as well: SOON

    • @bobbg9041
      @bobbg9041 Před rokem

      Not long, but cat thefts are up.

  • @Vincent_Sullivan
    @Vincent_Sullivan Před rokem +16

    I have read about a hundred of the comments and several people have noted (during the bonus disassembly footage of the turbo) that the shaft is too small in diameter. In my mind there are two factors influencing the mechanical engineer who designed the turbo to use a small shaft. The first is that a larger shaft will have more mass which will increase the spin up time of the turbo thus decreasing the the responsiveness of the drive train. In other words, increased turbo lag. The second factor is that the turbo shaft spins really fast and it is using journal (plain) bearings rather than anti-friction (ball or roller) bearings. If you make the shaft larger then for a given shaft RPM the "surface speed" of the bearing (the number of metres per second of relative motion between the outer surface of the shaft and the inner surface of the bushing) increases. If you double the shaft diameter the surface speed will increase by a factor of 3.14. This will increase the frictional losses in the bearing creating more heat in the oil and could even get you into trouble by exceeding the shear strength of the oil film. There could be other factors I am not thinking of but hey... I am an electronics engineer, not a mechanical engineer so please cut me some slack!
    As in the design of any device the engineer is faced with making many trade-offs between competing factors. In this case the engineer would want to make the shaft as small as possible while still having enough strength not to break. Did he go too far? Maybe - but you can't really tell by analysing just one failure. I am sure that a fair bit of skull sweat, math, and computer simulation of stresses went into selecting the size of the shaft. Given many tens or hundreds of thousands of this model of turbo that have been produced you would have to look for a pattern of shaft failures among many turbo failures to say with any confidence that the shaft was too weak. You would also have to also consider external factors. For example, it is not the fault of the shaft design if the shaft fails due to failure of the oiling system caused by user neglect of maintenance.

    • @marossgnv
      @marossgnv Před rokem +1

      Well, it is a Fiat product. They are designed by cost accountants not engineers. The only computer simulation is a p&l.

    • @johnlarkin549
      @johnlarkin549 Před rokem +2

      Gee Vincent after reading your comment my heads spinning faster than a turbo!!!😂

    • @zoneb609
      @zoneb609 Před rokem +1

      I don’t know but I prefer some turbo lag to have a reliable car

    • @rmr5740
      @rmr5740 Před rokem

      It's real easy to blame someone for this failure, getting the right answer is not so easy. A small imperfection in the shaft can lead to a stress riser that will lead to failure. Imagine the number of cycles that shaft goes though per mile. A tiny ding may not show up until 60k miles later. Is that the design engineer's fault or manufacturing's fault? We'll probably never know. In any manufacturing process, there will be outliers. Reducing those outliers costs money, eliminating them costs a lot of money. Of course, this failure could have been the result of the lubrication problems that was "corrected" by the dealer. Maybe the failure is the result of someone not doing their job on some part that was not even part of the turbo.

    • @gorak9000
      @gorak9000 Před rokem +1

      I was going to say you forgot the 3rd factor the engineer had to take into consideration - the finance department breathing down their neck. Gots to shave that raw material usage to the absolute minimum to decrease the cost and increase the profits.

  • @TreyCook21
    @TreyCook21 Před rokem

    Well, ok then... let's watch this before it gets taken down! That description is juicy.

  • @tonyfox1434
    @tonyfox1434 Před rokem

    Love the "Smog OK" sticker in the bottom of the windscreen!

  • @fredsalter1915
    @fredsalter1915 Před rokem +1

    Looks like my dorm room back in '89!!! LOL

  • @eddie5484
    @eddie5484 Před 4 měsíci

    "It has all the right..." Gubbins. The word you need there is Gubbins.

  • @arthurcunningham530
    @arthurcunningham530 Před rokem +4

    You're saying Chinese I'm saying it's probably OEM which is probably chinese-made anyway but without all the markings on it.

  • @paultaylor9939
    @paultaylor9939 Před rokem

    Thanks Ivan good job and as ever very meticulous thanks for sharing cheers

  • @bigb0ss282
    @bigb0ss282 Před rokem

    Nice job! I love it

  • @sd906238
    @sd906238 Před rokem +12

    The after market turbo couldn't be any worst than the OEM Fiat turbo. I believe in buying OEM parts except for Fiat OEM parts.

    • @NZdiagnostics
      @NZdiagnostics Před rokem +2

      The original part is a Garret turbo, USA company.

    • @ferrumignis
      @ferrumignis Před rokem +1

      The aftermarket part can easily be worse than OEM, and usually are. Turbos fails due to abuse and lack of maintenance.

  • @neilmurphy845
    @neilmurphy845 Před rokem +1

    That smoke ok sticker is hilarious 😂

  • @AVC-Works
    @AVC-Works Před rokem +1

    His oil light came on and he still drove two miles..... Yep! 👍

  • @wyllie4961
    @wyllie4961 Před rokem

    Lol, Zip Ties N Bias Plies would be proud of you, love the “Smog ok” sticker:D

  • @American_Creed
    @American_Creed Před rokem +2

    Yep crazy. Wonder if the exhaust will last longer

  • @ivanolsen7966
    @ivanolsen7966 Před rokem

    in sports mode ..... i was waiting for the BANG !

  • @00taohio85
    @00taohio85 Před rokem +2

    Love the “smog ok” sticker

  • @sixtyfiveford
    @sixtyfiveford Před rokem +1

    Draining the oil out there exhaust! This should be a new car feature.

  • @Focusfanatic242
    @Focusfanatic242 Před rokem +1

    Had exact same failure on a deutz 3.6 in a brand new 150’ JLG boom lift with only 93 hours on the engine. It was in a hangar for a major airline. They were not happy when they had to open the hangar doors to clear the air when it was -10° Frankenstein outside. 😂

  • @GarnConstructionInc
    @GarnConstructionInc Před rokem +1

    Nice work around for extracting the prize. No help here on turbos but like you uncovered a violent end! Maybe something "loose bolt" got sucked into an impeller.

  • @geraldharkness8830
    @geraldharkness8830 Před rokem

    yeah i saw that..made me smile!

  • @GreyRockOne
    @GreyRockOne Před rokem

    Nice work, that SMOG sticker though..

  • @jeffryblackmon4846
    @jeffryblackmon4846 Před rokem +1

    You have eliminated the 2023 mosquito population of 1/2 your county of residence. That's an interesting vehicle.

  • @dennypoole7815
    @dennypoole7815 Před rokem

    Thanks really enjoyed watching

  • @mkernen
    @mkernen Před rokem

    Your videos are like an Aerosmith concert. Always one or two encores! 🤣😂😜

  • @J..a..y
    @J..a..y Před rokem

    nice! Thanks Ivan. 👍🏼

  • @KeithHiebert
    @KeithHiebert Před rokem +13

    The inside of intercooler needs to be cleaned of material from the broken fins. Intake piping needs to be cleaned also. If the engine ingests the fin pieces, it could cause a lot of damage.

    • @aeroman5239
      @aeroman5239 Před rokem +3

      Yup. I have a '17 Infiniti Q60 Red Sport w/VR30 engine & twin turbos. Had a mild whistle under boost - dealership replaced both turbos AND the engine under warranty because the impeller bits could have made it to the intake. The intercoolers, throttle bodies and intake manifold were cleaned before getting re-installed on the new engine. This Fiat engine might be toast from the upstream carnage.

    • @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
      @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics  Před rokem +4

      It's fine. The intercoolers act as filters HAHA

    • @brianw8963
      @brianw8963 Před rokem +2

      @@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Yep,the intercooler oil bath secondary air filtration system. Great concept. 😄

    • @alangaudry724
      @alangaudry724 Před rokem

      ​@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics question how come the cat isn't screwed from the oil ?

  • @logicalguy488
    @logicalguy488 Před rokem +4

    Exhaust won't rust inside now.

  • @ThunderbirdRocket
    @ThunderbirdRocket Před rokem

    Great information ! Thanks !

  • @adamtrombino106
    @adamtrombino106 Před rokem +1

    As far as early turbo failures, I've seen several GMs blow up at 60-90k. But to go way back, nothing beat the Chrysler K cars with the massive and heavy Garret 7-9 psi turbo for failures.. pretty much at any given moment. LOL

  • @MrMaxeemum
    @MrMaxeemum Před rokem +3

    Literally just had the same failure on my Audi A4 TDI 101k. Mine blew pulling out from a junction, trying to get out before a slow-moving vehicle came along, I gave it the beans. It moved out of the way very quickly and then it went POP!!!!! as it reached max revs and gave the James Bond smoke show. It was very embarrassing, I only ran it for about 10 seconds after the failure but my garage had a massive issue clearing the exhaust after the turbo was replaced. It stank and smoked for ages trying to clear the exhaust but it did eventually clear, but Greta wasn't very happy which made me very happy.

    • @dogsplantscarsneatstuff176
      @dogsplantscarsneatstuff176 Před rokem

      How dare you! As Greta would say. I feel for you. That must have been one expensive repair.

    • @MrMaxeemum
      @MrMaxeemum Před rokem

      @@dogsplantscarsneatstuff176 It was but thinking of Greta cringing made it very cheap.

  • @r.weaver3769
    @r.weaver3769 Před rokem

    Mosquito Control...Poor cat!
    Nice job, Ivan.

  • @keithrimmer3
    @keithrimmer3 Před rokem +3

    Where did all the bits of the impeller go I would have washed the intercooler and all the intake manifold and pipes out and cleaned the oil feed pipe or replaced it, I figure the cat is dead now Ivan

  • @ProblemChild-xk7ix
    @ProblemChild-xk7ix Před rokem +1

    Cats will be the next to go after all that oil through the exhaust!

  • @BOPotstill
    @BOPotstill Před rokem

    Nice repair, often a quicker way to do the job and beat book time. I swear I could smell that thing when you fired it up !!!

  • @stever41g
    @stever41g Před rokem

    Love your videos.

  • @htownblue11
    @htownblue11 Před rokem

    That leak was insane. Wow. That’s a real life spy gadget.

  • @erichagler7842
    @erichagler7842 Před rokem

    great sticker on the windshield "smog check ok " ...... lol

  • @zaneclone
    @zaneclone Před rokem

    FIAT- "fix it again tomorrow" lol...
    Can't believe they made an "auto" version of the Abarth !! Surprised the cat survived also !!

  • @tiredoldmechanic1791
    @tiredoldmechanic1791 Před rokem +2

    It is difficult, if not impossible, to train drivers to allow a couple minutes of idle time to allow the turbocharger to cool down before shutting the engine down. Manufacturers should have an electric oil pump that can run after the engine shuts down.

  • @ToyotatechDK
    @ToyotatechDK Před rokem +2

    Not sure if I missed I’d, but I’d definitely empty the intercooler as well.

    • @ferrumignis
      @ferrumignis Před rokem +1

      I'd have drained and flushed the exhaust system as well, that was far too much oil just to leave to burn away. I somehow doubt that cat will pass the next smog test.

    • @ToyotatechDK
      @ToyotatechDK Před rokem

      @@ferrumignis i agree

  • @carsten4594
    @carsten4594 Před rokem

    Thank you for the post-mortem.

  • @joshwilson849
    @joshwilson849 Před rokem +6

    I’ll be surprised if that new turbo lasts 10k.

  • @iainball2023
    @iainball2023 Před rokem +1

    This is a very very common story here in the UK. we have an abundance of small highly boosted engines nowadays. this failure probably stems from the previous oil leak. the turbo's are hugely sensitive to oil pressure, and are the first thing to fail if the oil pressure ever gets low. I think the driver probably ran it until the light came on before having the leak repaired, causing damage to the bearings in the turbo, the bearings then wear out rapidly untill the comressor wheel touches the compressor housing, which breaks the shaft.

  • @kellyd887
    @kellyd887 Před rokem +7

    I wonder if that oil bath it took will result in premature failure of the O2 sensors or the catalytic converter ?

    • @ferrumignis
      @ferrumignis Před rokem +2

      Very likely. Ivan really should have removed the exhaust and drained it with that much oil in it.

  • @rambleon2838
    @rambleon2838 Před rokem +1

    The funny part was that Ivan wouldn't trust the made in China studs but the turbo.

  • @calholli
    @calholli Před rokem +1

    For the little Chevy Cruze 4 banger they are only two hundred and twenty bucks or so, for the entire exhaust manifold/ turbo/ wastegate setup. The turbo looks identical to this one on the wastegate side. They are known to crack the housing at the wastegate port.

  • @steveharvey1876
    @steveharvey1876 Před rokem +1

    Ivan, 1996 Turbo Porsche 39k miles, turbo seals bad exhaust full of oil same smoke screen. Shop neighbor thought building on fire. 10 hrs labor. Dealer wanted 12k for replacement. Cheers!

  • @BenzJaguar
    @BenzJaguar Před rokem

    Reminds me of a 2002 Saab Turbo V6, I once owned with identical turbo damage!

  • @chrisparenti2461
    @chrisparenti2461 Před rokem

    Cheech and Chong, snoop dog, and willie Nelson showed up for the party 😂

  • @Javelin3o4
    @Javelin3o4 Před rokem +1

    Mt 2013 Dart has pretty much the same engine which a lot of the 1.4's would get a under boost code, thankfully mine happened while it was still under warranty so it got the updated turbo installed.

  • @int53185
    @int53185 Před rokem +2

    I've seen it on a Ford Escape EcoBoost engine. But instead of oil leaking into the exhaust, oil was leaking into the coolant reservoir. Very bizarre seeing black coolant instead of Ford orange.

  • @stationaryenginesworldwide

    Great video Ivan... Hopefully no metal from the turbine wheel or impeller got in the engine ..no sure but do these cars have air coolers ?...if they do might be wise to replace because of debris from turbo damage?

  • @garydotson2277
    @garydotson2277 Před rokem +1

    Luckily, the owner was close to home. I had a similar failure on a freshly re-man turbo, on my diesel pick-up, several years ago. Unfortunately, I was not close to home, resulting in a very long, late night wrecker ride. The vendor replaced the turbo and all was good after that but I paid a pretty steep wrecker bill. We also made a serious smoke show, especially passing through the toll booth, before we found a lot to pull into. We used our AAA to the max, that night.

  • @ryan_etzel
    @ryan_etzel Před rokem

    20:14 68mph.... Ferguson Township PD has entered the chat 😀

  • @bradfaught1695
    @bradfaught1695 Před rokem

    I haven't seen this but I have seen thriller. Love the thumbnail.