Why Do-It-All Bikes Are The Future | GCN Tech Show 330
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- In This week's Tech Show we discuss the new trend for do-it-all bikes. Philippa York weighs in on modern tech making racing more dangerous and we have a bike vault crammed full of super nice's! On top of this, Ollie and Manon delve into the hottest tech from the week including the launch of Decathlon-AG2R La Mondiale's Van Rysel race bike.
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00:41 Is tech making races more dangerous?
06:49 Do you only need one bike?
13:50 Hot tech
15:59 Competition in association with @TopeakCycling
17:02 Comment of the week
20:40 Bike vault
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Do you think one bike would be enough for you? 🚲
I think not. A variety makes it also possible to do spontaneous trips with friends who don't have a bicycle ready
No! TT-bike, road race bike, winter bike, XC mountain bike, beefy trail MTB should I go on? commuter bike, old steel bike converted to fixie, beautiful Titanium bike (not actually mine but in my basement). and maybe I need a new aero race bike with more tire clearance
If you’re not racing, this is perfect for an every day driver for road/gravel. But, you still “need” more than one if you’re going to mountain bike, commute, etc.
if i had extra wheel set in case i get puncture. why? because i don't have time to replace inner tube when i need to go to work.
I can only afford (or rather allowed) to buy one nice bike. But extra wheel sets have passed my CFO - so my ride is perfect for a whole range of different types of riding. My Trek Checkpoint SL frameset has a GRX Di2 two-by group set and I have:
road wheels with 32mm Vittoria Corsa tires for longer road rides. club runs,
Roval Terra C carbon wheels with 42mm S-Works Pathfinder tires for rough roads/light gravel/bikepacking; and
another set with Hutchinson Tundra 45mm tires for the muddy trails through the woods.
One bike to rule them all..... 😃
My Missus has been trying to tell me this for years......For Christ's sake, don't give her any more ammunition.
Wait a minute. That Cannondale was situated over looking a dale beside a cannon. What could have been a more obvious choice for an
intelligent "Supernice"
These two just stuck in the red most of the bike vault 🤣
@@gcntech Clearly my nuance was lost on Ollie 🤣
For most recreational riders, one bike, either a gravel bike or endurance bike with a wide tire capacity and extra set of wheels, will work perfectly. I ride a Sage Titanium gravel bike with an extra set of wheels for the times when I feel the need for speed.
Bought two that fulfil that brief recently. One alloy and one carbon. No idea what I do with the rest of the fleet!
Amen. I have a CX bike and swap between GP5000 slicks, Gravelking SK+, and Maxxis Rambler tires depending on the ride. Don't feel any rush to add a whole new bike to the quiver
Eh I think 3 is the magic number, road bike, gravel endurance bike and finally a beater bike for around town or with family
One bike for everything? Don't say this, my workshop will be empty!!!
LOL - I don't REALLY think that ONE bike can do EVERYTHING - can you imagine a trial or purebred road bike doing some serious off-road and stump jumping? I can't - I think your workshop is safe :-)
SHHHH, don't let my wife hear this.
Plus, my wife would be mad.
Don't worry, that was just today's talking point. Next week it will be why we need a lightweight climbing bike, an aero road bike, an endurance bike, a touring bike with panniers, a gravel bike, a modern steel bike, plus something in titanium, and even a Raleigh Chopper. 😀
always room for a cargo bike
Always gonna need an old 90s mtb with a rack to go shopping, go to the pub, cycle to the station etc. Robust and (most importantly) won't be on top of anyone else's "shopping" list.
Nice bike for all the other stuff.
Could you survive with jus that bike?
You're not the only one here. I have a 1993 Giant Track to do rides to the pub and the shops. Pro tip: mount a set of Schwalbe Big Apples for optimum comfort. I did 'deserve' my new carbon mtb by doing two off road Gran Fondos on this 90s machine.
@@gcntech
Haha. Not really.
But I could survive a lot better than you could with only a bmc machine for all the reasons stated above!
Always going to need a steed for real life, and a nice one for all the other stuff.
90s mtb grocery getter👍
True 😕
My only drop bar bike is a Giant Revolt. I have a set of carbon road wheels with 30mm road tires and a set of aluminum gravel wheels with 44mm knobbled off road tires. I don’t need anything else for the road.
Sounds like a great choice! Would you ever be temped to get something more off-roady?
Great option for both gravel and road riding! Can't recommend revolt enough.
@@gcntech I also own a mountain bike and ride that more than the gravel/road set up
Doing the same on the canyon Grizl works great on road too
I’ve recently put my road bike in storage in favour of the Revolt Advanced Pro. Have had it for a while but bought a set of Cadex wheels for it and switched to a more all road tyre and it’s pretty rapid both on and off road.
Week 58 of asking for a “the UCI has no jurisdiction here” T-shirt
do you think it will get to Week 100? Or will we make one by then?
@@gcntechthat would be an ecumenical matter
We need a t-shirt and stickers to go on laptops or bike bags as well
@@gcntechyou better have made one by then
I would buy one immediately
Finally parts of the bike industry have found out that there is a market for bikes with more relaxed geometry but also nice paint jobs and high end components. The option to order with two matching wheelsets would be great so you don‘t have to worry about your brakes rubbing.
If on a gravel bike, even adding a third set (650b) is sorta bonkers good if dabbling on single track.
For the riding I do - I only need one bike - A Ti gravel bike; the R+ from Why Cycles (Revel) with two wheelsets and
GRX 800, (48/31 crank & 11-34 cassette) I have had no problems with the gravel and endurance road riding I do.
Sure, the difference nowadays between an endurance road bike and a gravel bike is usually down to a bit of geometry,
(and more tires clearance on most gravel bikes) but usually a gravel bike is still going to be more stout for frame durability.
That said the so called ALL ROAD sector of cycling has been a thing for quite a while.
If you are racing obviously you'd need a road race bike or if you were going on super technical trails then a MTB may be required,
but there is a HUGE spectrum of riding in between these two extremes. That's more than enough for me.
The basic Schwinn Sting-Ray was the ultimate kids' bike in the '60s into the mid-'70s. The Raleigh Chopper is a beauty, as were the different color Schwinn Krates, but neither of those bikes could take the hits endured by the Sting-Ray, which simply dared its riders to be wild and crazy, see those stairs, you can jump down them, that steep street, fly down it and zig-zag back up. And the origin story is really cool. Schwinn made 20" bikes back in the '50s as small versions of newspaper bikes. And in the early '60s in Southern California, kids were modifying their bikes with long bicycle polo saddles and high-rise handlebars and pretending they were riding motorcycle choppers. Schwinn in Chicago was tipped off to the trend, sent out a rep, then in short order put the Sting-Ray into production with its banana seat and chrome high-rise bars and colorful paint. It would turn loose a generation of kids who were ready to ride their bikes like big kids with their motorcycles and fast cars. And, well, let's not forget, like Evel Knievel, too. 😀
I had that Schwinn Sting Ray bike in yellow as a boy. I can still remember the wide slick on the backs made you feel like you were riding a top fuel dragster!!! 😂
Definitely the Schwinn Sting-Ray! All the cool kids had them. We were too poor and modified 20 inchers with the banana seats and ape hanger bars. That’s where I started wrenching on bikes, replacing broken stems from jumping.
The perfect bike is what ever bike one loves to ride the most, I like the idea of a do it all bike just as much as a gravel bike. Having the option to choose which bike suits my style or even my mood that day is fantastic. The options let me stay within my budget no matter how minuscule or how grand. As long as they give more choice (not take it away) it is always a good thing.
We're here for this! 👌Ride the bike that you enjoy the most 🙌
Thanks for letting us hear Philippa’s views on technology from that era really fascinating insights, 100% need to have her come in on the show 🙏🏻
The do-it-all bike already exists the way I see it and has been marketed as endurance bikes for the past many years. Change the wheels and the crankset and/or the cassette and you have a gravel bike, or upgrade to faster wheels and remove the spacers to get the lowest possible handlebar position and you have a fast bike, or leave as is and do long all day endurance riding.
The real do it all bike is a mountain bike. An endurance bike with gravel tires isn't gonna be able to tolerate all single track. I can't stand riding mountain bikes on pavement for sustained periods of time. But it's much more practical to do that than ride an endurance bike on rough single track
@@veganpottertheveganit depends how extreme of single track you are talking. And yes the main turn off for using MTBs as “do-it-all” bikes is how sluggish and slow they feel on paved surfaces. Many people don’t even live near the stereotypical MTB single track trails with all the technical bits like jumps, drops, tree roots, rocky sections etc. It’s much more realistic to be using a gravel bike which is pretty quick on roads, gravel tracks and some easier single tracks. Lightweight gravel bikes are so light you can literally just pick the thing up and walk over the impassable bits anyway.
@Ryan-pz2wh for sure. Some single track can even be ridden on a road bike without too much trouble with 28-32mm tires. The bulk of the single track trail systems(not the mileage since they all have easy sections)near me definitely couldn't be ridden on with a gravel bike unless you're Scott Pilgrim or someone like that.
Changing spacer to get into a "race" profile is a terrible idea. Buke fit is most important.
@@bobbafett1971 I presume you mean a bike fit, and what exactly do you think they do at a bike fit if not adjusting the bike?
when using rim brakes with aluminium rims i found it best to use sandpaper for metal & slightly brush them down towards the hub, but ever so gently, i found that worked great but it would cuase my brake pads to burn out quicker, but worth it for that extra bit of stopping power on descents
GCN - please do a video around equipment failure. How to spot issues ahead of time, what to do to minimise a crash etc. I have had complete front brake failure bombing downhill and had in the old days a tire blowout. Love your work GCN
"Racers give the same of themselves no matter the era." is a subtle and profound truth. I think she's right all around. Racing just *is* faster now, and more speed means less time to react and more/higher forces at play, thus more danger
I think a 2-bike quiver is just about anything any well rounded rider would ever need. One street bike (even leaning toward a gravel bike) for paved and prepared roads, and one MTB for trails, somewhere in the 140 to 160 front travel realm.
What goes round comes around. 60,50 years ago a cyclo cross bike was a road nike with canti brakes for mud clearence, knobbly tubs and lower gears. With road tubs on what would be otherwise identical wheels it would be perfectly fine on a club ride , or in a road race or even a time trial.
I’ve got one all-round bike: Diverge with semi-slick tyres.
Works great for bike packing, shopping, gravel riding or cycling down the lanes to a cafe, winter or summer.
Not a racing bike, but great at anything else.
That's what it's all about 🙌 Have you been on some good trips?
@@gcntech Quite new at this, but some things like Cardiff to London, and the Shipwrights Way. Hoping to cycle Mallorca next spring, and maybe Alpe H’Huez next autumn…
I am a long haul truck driver. I only have room to carry one bike in my truck. And even then it is a folding bike. lol
Change 809, a aluminum mountain bike frame with suspension forks, 3x9 gears, flat bar, 40 mm slick tires, 650 b wheels, and it folds.
Neither Ollie nor Manon realized the Cannondale was on a cannon - Cannon on a cannon!
Missed a trick here! 🤣
I have the old BMC Roadmachine 7 with 105. Relatively cheap but Wow! What a nice thing! I seem to want to help in whatever you do. I swear it would roll up hill. Love it. Only bike I own that’s not for sale
Great video. I just built up my TIME ADHX the all-road version suitable for 38mm tyres. I'm riding it with a SRAM 1x groupset and N.EXT 34mm road tyres. Fantastic to ride up the local lumpy roads and keeping up with the local group rides. Super also for the weekend country bike trip as well. No need for a specific 'race' bike type anymore.
I got a Cervelo Aspero 5, a gravel race bike, and I use it now for both road and gravel. I run 30c tires/45mm rims on road and 43c tires/30mm rims off road. It's one of the most comfortable bikes I've had on the road and I've been able to replace 2 road bikes and 1 gravel bike with this one bike. It might not be as light as these newer do-it-all models coming out, but I'm not too concerned with that. I go just as fast as I did on my road bikes.
I currently own a Koga Collmaro Allroad (2023) and got 34mm tyres on it right now. It is an alluminium bike yet it weights just 9.2kg !!. That is just nuts. And it has tyre clearance up to 45mm with 700c and up to 55mm for 650c. Yet it does not look like your usual gravel (racer). It has a lot of the same asthetic as the Canyon Grail CF SLX but it is still very unique. I love the bike a lot and it is super fast and versatile except for not having an option for pannier rack (sadly). However, the tyres are 34mm WTB allroad tyres which are not the most comfy and fast... So I am switching to Schwalbe G One R 40mm 700c tyres soon.
It is incredible how far tech has come.
Also, I got it for 1300€ approximately at the dealer and it's original price at Koga used to be 2550€+ which is just nuts but a very big win.
Any tech tips for even better performance in the future for the bike? Considering I want to ride much longer distances as soon as the weather becomes warm again. I also plan on doing gravel races.
Loving the video + ordering bibshorts soon, maybe GCN Aero shirt + a bidon or however it is called in english.
Enjoyed the video. And I definitely think one bike would be enough for me. Just need a higher end bike than this medium to high range one. But thats all in due time :)
Nothing better than a Manon/Oli combo and a wholesome GCN tech vid to chase away the war news all over my feed! Great work GCN team, you are a mental health break.
Great subject matter here...and well done...TY. One thing about braking that i've been noticing from pro races this year...when riding with disc brakes (maybe not so much with rim brakes?), crashes are occurring when, it appears to me, that the crash starts from the front end of the bike, esp in corners where the initiation appears to me to be the front tire "washing" out. My thought...the cause being the rider grabbing the front disc brake more forcefully, when should be less, relative to rear.
Currently riding a Rondo HVRT CF2 (2020). Definitely the most versatile bike I saw which is why I went for it. Has tyre clearance for up to 35mm on 700c wheels and up to 47mm on 650b's. Not only that but the front axel has two positions allow for adjustable geometry. Selecting the lower axel position gives a more relaxed geometry, ot the upper one reduces the front end naking it sharper and more agressive. So with two tyre sets youve got two very different bikes!
From a former Colorado Springs resident, you as a biker need to visit.
The town of MANITOU springs is at the base of PIKEs peak, named after ZEBulon pike. If you go up the mountain you will get to see an animal that looks remarkably like a MARKHOR with less spirally horns.
Sram has a huge presence in the town... so maybe that would be a business readon to come visit.
(If you don't get the references talk to someone from GMBN).
Yes, big fan of one bike owners club, been riding it for 10years everyday, it’s my friend 😂
What bike is it? We bet you have a great bond?
@@gcntechhad my focus Cayo since 2016
Great new range of bikes but for the rest of us there a many good steel or alloy options for a lot less. Kinesis, Fairlight, Soma to name a few.
Fairlight is top of list for my next bike.
@@AnvilAirsoftTVsame. Secan. Hope yours comes
Would you go steel over alloy? 👀
I recently purchased a Crux. I run it with a single carbon wheelset, mounted with 47c tires. Because the bike is light, it has become my "all road/no road at all" machine. We do a lot of climbing here in Oregon and though I can feel some resistance uphill with a larger tire, I certainly enjoy having left the N+1 club (from five bikes down to one). This zen life isn't for all, but works for me.
Great video! As someone who’s just getting into cycling 🚴 I love the idea of getting an all-around bike. May get a more specific bike at some point but I love that I can just buy a bike that will cover a lot of bases until I decide❤ what I want to do with my riding!
They are great for those that aren't sure where they sit in the cycling world 🙌 What bike have you got your eyes on?
Next month I’m going to by the Domane SL 7 Gen 4 in Era White. Only thing is that I tried size 52 Domane AL 2 Rim which has a similar over all frame size and it felt a little small but when I tested last years Domane SL in a 54 it was definitely to big because I couldn’t reach the peddles to well even with the seat post being as low as possible 😮. So I’m going size 52 I guess but I’m scared 😱
I've just got the 2024 Giant defy, while it only has clearance for upto 38mm tyres but absolutely love it! Great blend of comfort and speed for my cycling and bike touring, would definitely go for an all road/endurance bike
20" wheels, banana seats, ape hanger bars, and slick rear tires.
If you were really trick you had an extended chopper style fork.
Those were the days.
Of course for me that was the early 60's.
Seeing some of those bikes would be great.
Bought a Decathlon TRC120 on sale. Swapped out the drivechain for a 32/48 2-by with 165mm cranks, a 11-38 cassette and another microshift RD with lang cage. Got an extra pair of wheels, 650B with 40mm gravel tires. added a suspension seatpost and a Redshift suspension stem. Put on a narrow rear rack and SKS Edge Al mudguards. Got 2 bikes ready for anything for less than 1300 Euro.
COME TO COLORADO!!!!! (I'll be calm and relaxed, I promise)
I loved the conversation on the all in one bike, I'm having one made for me by Alchemy (local bike maker). I would love you guys to discuss the merits of the $$$ boxed bike offerings from the big brands versus having a frame made for you. I feel like the prices have soared for the brand bikes, but haven't changed all that much for the hand crafted options. Would you make a video discussing the two?
Love, love, love you guys, you share parts of yourselves with the internet in an authentic and meaningful way, as I've been a long time viewer, it really feels like we're mates. That's a testament to your (all of GCN's) work. Keep up the good work.
XOXO
I have a 2017 Scott Addict Gravel bike that I also use in the winter on the road. It has 2x Ultegra 8000 and I have a set of Hed wide Gravel wheels with 35mm tires and a set of Enve 45 with 28mm road tires. In road form it weighs 16lbs. It does both well including single track type off road. I do have a super light weight 14.5lbs 2007 Scott Addict Road with 23mm tires on Enve SES45 rims. This difference on the road between the two is mostly comfort due to the tires. However, I tend to do segment PRs on the 2007 which I think is due to the lightweight road specific nature. In reality, I don't notice the difference. So, yes, in my opinion, if you have a 2X groupset gravel bike, you can have a do it all bike. On the gravel you could even have a 650 setup for more aggressive setup. The Ultegra RX derailleur makes a difference.
Frame clearances.
In the 70s, Peugeot decided to build frames with larger frame clearance for 1976. For 1977, they went back to close clearance.
The good aspect of the larger clearance frames was a 27 x 1 1/4" tyre could be fitted for comfort.
I have a pair of 27 x 1 1/4" Mavic Module E with 28 - 630 tyres on my 1976 Pug.
Former amateur racing family here. We just pulled the trigger on 2x12 carbon gravel bikes. They’re versatile enough to take on single track at a local MTB park and do a fun road ride with friends.
For me, i's not whether I need a bike for every condition, more now that every ride I need three bikes. Top of the lane, down the hill, moderate tarmac, a nice endurance bike. First left and I'm into the worst road surface, potholes and consequent gravel everywhere (yes, it's meant to be a road), mud and moss in the middle.
A few miles further on, into Wales and suddenly the fastest aero, smooth tarmac bike would be a dream.
The more I think about it, I need a bike that handles all of this, because this is what UK roads throw at me - time that I bought a new bike!
I have been enjoying riding my Litespeed Cherohala all-road bike, good for road and gravel riding. I’m not racing, just riding for enjoyment and fitness.
Bikes that can work well in both disciplines have been available for a while.
I busted my shoulder 33 years ago when making a salto when I was only riding 25 km/h but I had a new bike with much better rim brakes than the previous one. Campagnolo Centaur. The front brake was just so strong..
I actually think with rim brakes on a descent you had to be a bit more aware of what was going on, really start braking in time. So there was a better balance between braking power and grip.
3 weeks ago I bought the lowest spec of the outgoing BMC Roadmachine. It was on a heavy discount over here in Germany before the new one was even introduced. When my bike arrived, the new one just released. So, at first I thought I might have decided too quickly. However, the lowest spec of the new one is like 2-3k more expensive again and I wanted an endurance road bike(!), not a maybe-road/maybe-gravel kind of bike. My 30mm tires fit nice and snug. The bike just looks the deal in all-black. I wouldn't even consider buying the new one and a new set of wheels so I could go graveling. My plans are different. I've got an alloy gravel bike on 40s for the bad weather seasons and the BMC is for the good weather, for the holidays and for closing the psychic gap of "what would a road bike do on this segment." It's definitely my go-to bike from now on because it's even more comfortable than the gravel bike but I wouldn't wanna use it in the winter with all the debris and gunk on the road. Leave that to the alloy horse lol
Viel Glück euch beiden!
Yes Ollie, the bike industry knows something that GCN doesn’t appear to know, most riders are not going to ride in the Tour, if they do ride in an event it’s probably going to be sportives or other endurance events where comfort is more important than being aero or lightweight ( can’t believe Manon pulled a face when the bike was 30g heavier 🙄). I use a 40mm tyre on very long rides and my arse thanks me for it 😂👍
40cm?
@@MarkLRandall 😂 good point I’ll fix it
Been riding the Factor Ostro Gravel as my do-it-all bike for a couple of years now. Owned the Ostro VAM before and the SuperSix HiMod now as well and honestly the OG does everything so well that it's hard to argue the VAM and the HiMod are that significantly better. For more than 90% of the non-pro riders, these do-it-all bikes will do the job just fine.
Omar10 took a picture of their CANNONdale in front of a CANNON. I feel that alone is worth a super nice.
Hoooray, talking about a bike that would be of intsrest to us mortals whose backside looks down at the pavement.
More on commuter bikes, touring bikes (ie bikes that are capable of being adapted for touring). Much appreciated Si's recent programmes about e bike varients.
Bikes that are good for just riding about - not for racing or anything than just handy/fun
Good school bike etc etc.
Ps I ride a touring bike and mountain bike, and have an "any" bike - I'd love to hear more on general bikes for just getting about. That would over belt drive, internal gears etc
That Chopper for sure, perhaps some of those 80's vintage BMX bikes from the likes of Diamond Back and GT.
I still ride rim brakes on carbon wheels. I got a Giant TCR just before the pandemic because I wanted a new bike and found a used one that fit my budget. I ended up upgrading the wheels because carbon hoops look cool. Braking performance in the dry is fine. It's usually okay in the wet, but I try to avoid riding in the wet in general. I'd love to upgrade to a new bike with disc brakes and electronic shifting, but life is just too expensive for me.
Talking about how strong rim brakes can really be, my dad actually toppled his bike while descending a rather gentle slope, his bike had aluminium rim brake wheels, he was startled by a road closure with lines and cones across our usual road, crashed the bike, hit his head on the ground, cracked his helmet, I was just behind my dad, saw both his wheels in the air while his head was touching the ground, managed to brake in time to stop and rescue him, thank God no major injury on him, just some scratches
Nice fairytale:)
The Giant Revolt has been my one do-it-all bike for years. I have had 2 wheel sets for gravel and paved road, but am considering further condensing into one wheelset and tire combo as a minimal fuss “all road” bike. It suits the minimalist in me.
I have already bought something all round, basso astra di2 105 12s (groupset of the people :DO) with 35mm clearance. Love it, even though i had areeo giant propel which was lighter.
I rode 4500 miles last year as a 2nd year cyclist, with a quiver of 5 bikes. My gravel bike soaked up 3300 miles alone. I usually ride file treads. There are no issues with gravel, road, busy streets, and even some singletrack at gravel events.
5 bikes is a lot
@MartinBrown-mb7pz between my wife's collection and the tandem build, we should have 10 bikes total. I also want an xc bike, and eventually, an aero bike
Ive got a 3t racemax italia: brilliant and fast both onroad and light gravel offroad. Advantage: on holiday i take one bike with two wheelsets and can do both gravel and road.
Oh my gosh when Manon was talking about how her power had dropped from 200 watts I believe. It was so relatable.
Hahahaha these things happen 🤷
@@gcntech yes I agree if I were only like Mary Poppins you know, she said, “practically perfect and every way”. That is not me lol
I've been itching for a frame with road geometry and wide tire clearance (35mm+) for years - came close with Trek's CX offerings as they have a road-ish BB drop compared to other CX frames; my 2015 Trek Boone doubles as an all-road bike and gravel bike with a wheel change. It does still feel heavy and slow compared to a pure road bike, though.
Raleigh Chopper, Raleigh Burner (blue and yellow one of course), Raleigh Grifter, Diamond back or Mongoose bmx and Raleigh Vektar! Up Alp d'huez or something
Dont forget in the allrounder Category the new Parlee Ouray and Look 785 fit into this space as well. As the owner of a Specialized Aethos I love the allrounder! I think that these real world bikes are a much better solution, its just up to us as consumers to adopt to this.
The argument over whether disc brakes are better for a pro at 10 tenths on a descent is a bit of a red herring. The major advantages I have found are much, much less hand fatigue on long rides, room for bigger tyres, being able to change between wheelsets without readjusting the brakes and never having to replace worn out rims.
The ability to be comfortable spending more money on wheels, knowing they are no longer a wearing item is freeing.
If anyone knows about sketchy braking then that would be Philippa trying to slow down on Alpine downhill roads with those Delta calipers. Must have been terrifying!
My honest opinion, as an all time mountain-biker who discovered the wonders of road cycling just 3 years ago, I say two bikes is really the ideal:
- an endurance road bike with good tire clearance and two interchangeable sets of wheels;
- one mountain bike, ideally a full suspension.
That’s what I’ve got and I think it’s the sweet spot.
Bicycles, tricycles, E-assist, cargo and family are about to become HUGE in America!
Cannot wait to see! Everybody will love it!
Economics, potential wars, never before "bicycle" product availability, everything is adding up!!!
"Second vehicles" will HUGELY become cargo/family bikes trikes!
I already went with the one bike option. Bought a Lauf Seigla with the Grit fork and it does everything I need it to do in my riding terrain
Agree with Philippa that the pros of yesterday pushed the limits to the same extent as the pros today and that the consequences are higher today due to the higher speeds. Where we diverge is in the assessment of the risk. Risk is the combination of the probability of mishap and the consequence. If the probability of mishap today is the same as before but the consequences of mishap are higher today, by definition the risk is higher today.
My Specialized Diverge has done everything I've asked of it. It's my commuter bike. It goes on my trainer so I can Zwift through the Winter. I've done two Triathlons on it. And this Summer, I hope to take it bike packing.
Getting a Raleigh Chopper is a great idea for one of your shows.
Argon18 actually pioneered this whole movement of road bike with massive tire clearance when they released their new Krypton last year
I concede the advantages of disc brakes, except stopping power in dry. Modern 28mm GP5000s, neither traction nor stopping power is the problem. It's going over the bars. And it's not like I'm leaning forward asking for it. I've never understeered before, but I wish I did instead of crashing due to otb or bike sliding out from underneath. I'd love to know what I'm doing wrong.
Raleigh Griffter, BMX Mag Burner, Striker, PK Freestyler, Moongoose BMX, Diamondback BMX.... nuff said
Yes, the cannon does have tyres - they are the metal bands around the wooden wheels and where pneumatic tyres get their name from. Also, as mentioned previously, why would you not have the Cannondale pictured with the cannon?
I love the do it all! My 3T Exploro Race fits this bill perfectly
If more of these were available from more brands that sell where I am, then I would totally go for one of these.
Right now I currently have a giant defy and the biggest reason I got it was because of the wider tire clearance and endurance geometry which is a bit more relaxed.
For commuting to work, I have a giant escape which is a bit on the cheaper side and has a flat bar for more control and wider 38c tires. I absolutely love my giant escape one disc but The shifting and transmission stuff isn't great, although it does work okay.
So yeah totally if there was a two-in-one like this I would run it daily but of course I would still keep a cheaper commute bike in case of theft or damage and whatnot.
Love the kids bike idea. A Raleigh Grifter has to be included. A hill climb on the heaviest ever kids bike would be a tester.
For heavier riders (80 KGs and up) wide tire clearance is always desirable. My preference would be different bikes for different seasons, not different terrains. A sturdy steel rig with fenders for winter and a faster carbon machine for summer. Both would have wide tire clearance. The steel rig might have a longer wheel base and slacker head tube angle, but not mandatory.
All for it, one bike to suit varying needs. No reason you can't have an aero road bike that allows wide tires, a somewhat relaxed geometry, and even a reversible seat post if you want to do tri with a set of aeorobars. Makes total sense, no need for all the existing permutations if you're not a professional rider/racer.
I said it before on another video.
On the subject of crashes.
But, I think clothing has to be a higher standard. Clothing has veared down a wicking, fitting, aero, path.
But needs to bias towards abrasion resilience.
To meet the new demands of higher speed crashes.
Helmets have been on a higher safety trajectory....clothing on an efficiency trajectory.
One of my first terrible crashes was on a raleigh chopper. So many people were having 'man area' injuries on the gearstick. Later models had gripshifts.
In the 70's we had silk sidewall tubs that were noticeable lighter & more supply than the cotton sidewall tires, I often wonder why we don't have silk sidewalls on today's tires.
I have a priority 600X. It is all the bike I'll ever need. The 2.4" tires and front shock are great for soaking up the potholes in city streets, can carry a ton of gear if needed, extremely low maintenance 600% drive train, very strong 4 piston hydraulic disc brakes. What else do you need?
The limiting factor road bike clearance is the front derailleur. Enve also specs 38mm tyre clearance with 2x setup. Bikes like Vitus Venon already have 45mm of clearance, but you can't benefit from all of it if don't spec the bike with an 1x groupset. GRX has more FD clearance, but usually endurance bikes are not available with it as stock.
My Grizl has generous space for 50s with a front mech. It'll fit most 2.1" 29er tires if you're running 1x
@@veganpotterthevegan That is not an endurance road bike and when it has a frond derailleur, it is the GRX I mentioned.
@@JMise it easily would be with a 35mm slick. It's not like many people are crit racing Domane's these days.
The 'do it all' bikes have been around, think Allied cycleworks or lots of custom builds. And I have no doubt this is the way forward.
Those frames/builds used to be really expensive tho and 2 years ago, when i bought my last bike, not available from the big (easily available and cost effective) brands.
So people, including me, have taken to racy gravel bikes with 2 sets of wheels. I have a Scott addict gravel that has pretty much the same geo as my endurance bikes (bar the head tube angle & length) and it just does it all really. The amount of people that's better suited with an all out aero or climbing bike are just in the minority compared to the more casual rider, that does fitness rides, couple of gravel rides with the mates, maybe a climbing holiday or sportive. All perfectly possible and extremely comfortable on a 'do it all' bike with 32-38c tires. I see no reason to switch back, one bike to rule em all.
The fast gravel bike might be the best option! The perfect one bike for everything 🙌 Would you ever consider and out and out road bike?
Not just cost effective, there is having the room as well, so one bike, and that's got to do it all, including shopping! so 90's mountain bike then!. Although racing and fast paced club rides are out, solo fitness and day touring are fine on such, you just aren't going as fast, you can still train.
I'll never have another plastic (carbon Fiber) bike, but I'm completely sold on the do it all bike. I went from 5 bikes to 1 & I've never been happier, thanks to titanium. I understand Ollie's defensive take, and in my professional life, I use the multitool vs. specialized tools analogy a lot (I say swiss army knife), but I don't think it applies to the last majority of non racing riders.
Nice Halo Ollie.
I'd love to see a video of you comparing classic kid's bikes of the 80s. I was somewhat of a late bloomer when it came to my first bike, for the longest time I followed my friends round on roller skates (the old-school ones that strapped on over your shoes) until my dad took me to a Saturday afternoon car boot sale and paid the princely sum of £5 for a Raleigh Commando, in 1987/8. It wasn't flashy like the brand new bikes my friends had, but it was mine and I went everywhere on it 😁
Um, hello? The 2024 Specialized Roubaix SL8? It was released late last year, and I built a custom bike from the beautiful S-Works frame, SRAM Force AXS, and Zipp 303 Firecrest wheels.with S-Works Mondo tires in 32mm width (measured at 34mm on the wheels). It's a proper all-road bike, and it's been fantastic.
Alpe d' Huez on rally choppers please.
Fitted 38 and 40mm tyres on my 1980s Favorit (frame dumped in street) rides great with a hotch potch of used parts. Campag, simplex and huret. Cost about £10 to complete using the local bike co-op in Brighton UK. Sure it weighs a ton compared to the gravendurance machine but keeps this old bloke fit.
After a crash on my fommute wrecked my road bike I replaced it with a Genesis CDA20 with 42mm tyres. Added comfort is a plus but the biggest benefit is not being limited as to where I can explore on my bike. My commute is now 99% separate from traffic. Commuting from Kent into SE London I would never have even considered it until I got a gravel bike!
The biggest problem with one bike for everything is not tire clearance but gearing. Gravel bike gears on road will feel not sufficient and road bike gears on gravel bike the same.
Idk about you, but im not pushing a 56 like Tarling in the front. With a compact 50-34 or even 48-32 and different cassette's for your 2 sets of wheels, I've never felt any limitation. In my cadance i can comfortably ride from lower than 10km/h on a climb to 50km/h on a flat sprint if needed, esp with that 10 cog on Sram. The only real limitation is not being able to push extra in a descent going 70km/h+ I'd say, which for 90% of riders is a non issue.
The only real issue is there are the bigger jumps between cogs most of the time, so if you're a 1 cog extra per shift kind of guy, yeah you might notice. But I thought we were past that the last 2 decades.
Most OEM gravel bikes use essentially road bike gearing so this comment doesn’t make sense at all.
I ride one bike 99% of the time. I log almost entirely road miles and put gravel wheels on (albeit with narrow gravel tires), and do 95% of what proper gravel bikes can do. Sadly I live too far from proper single-track and the need for an MTB is nil. That said, I have a travel road bike, four road bikes from four era, 1 MTB and a Dutch bike to get to the train station.
I was just chatting with a friend's teenager who is thinking about getting into road/gravel from MTB background. I suggested finding a 10+ year old cyclocross bike because it would be cheap but still have the tire clearance. Basically a do-it-all bike. But yeah, one bike to rule them all and spend the money you save on cycling vacations.
I’d rather get a good used/cheaper in general 2nd bike for gravelling. Cause it’s not just changing wheels to off-road tires… different cassettes for different gears mean different chain length, needed compatibility for front and rear mechs/chain and I’ll still just have a not so great off-road bike. Am I going to change to a wider and more flared handlebar every time? Adjust contact points every time?
If money is nothing to worry about, bike for every conditions will be great, but if i have to choose, all in one is my way. Depends also where you life: mountains, flat, mud, tarmac. Got for some time TT bike, and i suffer lack of place to ride,and no chance to turn into woods. Also tires suffers punctures many time . Now i have gravel with ultegra ,full carbon also wheels, 40cc tires, weights 7,8 kg, and also with some areo pieces. Best for me, can go almost everywhere, fast, terrain, uphill. Maybe not the best in certain and one area , but like joker card, cant be the best, but can be every card.
Rim brakes with ceramic coated alu rims actually rivals discbrakes. have xt 785 disc brakes with an 203 xt rotor up front which according to my bicycle friends are the best they ever felt on a bicycle as they are bleed like I do on my motor cycles yet they are not as good as my crossmax ceramic coated and xt-v brakes combo. Superb modulation and feel and stopping power.
Even road racer brakes with ceramic coated rims are very good, ie as good as the small 140mm-160mm rotors.
Until it rains
Wet weather tires are still a thing and there are vast differences in hard slippy durable tires like most (all non gravel?) Schwalbes vs a great all purpose tacky tire like Vittoria Voyager Hyper. With that you do not need a dedicated wet weather tire. The rubber is so tacky that in dry conditions it gathers dust particles so it is good to wipe them after a while.
Thanks Dr O , Manon , and..... Isaac ? I have 3 now , but one bike , two sets of wheels would be ideal , for me .
You need exactly 2 bikes, your road bike and a MTB.