Why F1 porpoising is a disaster for Mercedes but not for Ferrari
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- One of the big stories of the 2022 Formula 1 season so far is the porpoising struggles of Mercedes. It’s costing Mercedes significant lap time, turning F1’s dominant force of the past
decade into an also-ran.
Yet Ferrari’s car also suffers from porpoising. During the recent Australian Grand Prix weekend, the Ferrari was bouncing just as aggressively, perhaps even more so, than the Mercedes on the fast run to Turn 9.
So why is the same problem ruining the season for Mercedes, while Ferrari is on top?
#Mercedes #Ferrari #F1porpoising
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Ferrari can keep their car low, despite porpoising and they can mask drag with their packaging Mercedes can't run their car low and they don't have a physical barrier that can mask the drag like Ferrari. It could be a long year for Mercedes but perhaps they can learn a lot from this.
i.e: Ferrari *"was porpoising just as aggressively as the Mercedes or even more in Melbourne"* despite Mercedes "shaving it's head" to cut down on bouncing, *sacrificing a lot of performance* in the process.
*Still stuck with equal bouncing, less performance.*
ferrari is lower than mercedes thats true but they arent low compared to others. if theyre low as redbull with that bounce they would hit too hard the ground so there is still potential for ferrari while redbull has more potential with weight
Ferrari and Mercedes porpoising differs quite a bit, Ferrari mostly bouncing at the rear, while Mercedes have at the rear and front, under braking and the corners, while Ferrari flatens out under breaking and in the corners.
What on earth do you mean by 'mask the drag'? Lol
You don't make sense. Masking drag is not an engineering term.
I can't help but think there's more to the lap time loss than just the porpoising that mercedes don't want to admit.
Spot on!
they probably messed up with the E10 power unit changes but won't admit it as that'd mean losing customer teams I guess
@@Raphael-en6db Definitely. The only hope for Mercedes-powered F1 teams is for them to either switch power units or improve on other things such as aero
Toto has already admitted post race in bharain the engine that won them 7 titles no longer have an advantage over the competition. So not only do merc need to fix porpoising first, they’ll need to increase engine performance afterwards. Not sure if Merc will have the budget to do both.
EXACTLY!
Still concerned about driver's health being exposed to porpoising, of course they'd be the last to complain about it if the car performs as well as Ferrari's. I guess it *will* be eliminated through the desire to go faster, hopefully sooner than later.
Considering them as mine workers. :')
Do you think one or two gees acceleration vertically is worse than three or four horizontally?
@@daveapplemotors To the spinal cord, nervous system, and brain, yes.
@@daveapplemotors porpoising has a much, much higher frequency tho. It's not just jerking like horizontal G, it rattles the brain, which can cause concussion. Besides the drivers' necks are trained and can compensate somewhat for the jerking in acceleration and braking. For porpoising they just endure all of it since the neck doesn't compress.
Agreed. I played American football, the only time I was concussed was not from one big hit but repeated hits in one game. I worry about the repeated hits these drivers are suffering.
Thanks for explaining Porposing for the 250'000th time, I didint know what it was.
Toto mentioned it, I think their massive conundrum is the floor "bowing" or "flexing" and they'd be pressed to make a new floor that doesn't add even more weight to an already overweight Merc.
Poor MB, overweight, sagging and slow….Like most of us! LOL
@@camf7522 I guess those "frustration chocolates" from Abu Dhabi last year are still weighing them down ;)
@@Athrun82 maybe they just need a laxative and diuretic! Maybe not the laxative, MB engines are already ‘shitting themselves’!
Tbh, there are plenty of easy lightweight and cheap fixes for the problem, its just the gia banned them all. I bet 'Simplifying' the suspension has saved the teams no money at all now they have to do loads of extra work.
@@camf7522 If mercedes' engines are... then what are red bull's doing? 😅
caveat: Ferrari was *"porpoising just as aggressively as the Mercedes or even more in Melbourne"* after Mercedes "shaved it's head" to cut down on bouncing, *sacrificing a lot of performance* in the process.
Geez man, don't put too much bold there
But Ferrari also had the car raised up
All the cars with Porpoising look really Unprofessional
It's a Bad Look for F1
@@zulu_mafia I don't think it's a bad look at all, it's what F1 is all about, innovation and engineering, overcoming issues.
@@mj0230 introducing dumb shit for the sake of dumb shit isnt generally a good idea..
Please explain porpoising again I havent gotten enough explanations
Maybe they can do a long form video. 3-4 hours?
Shut up and bounce that's all
The faster the car the more bumpier it becomes
Wait what is it and is Mercedes experiencing it?
It's when the acquatic mammals get sick of pollution and attack the most expensive racing series in the world as revenge
8:05 Mercedes got 65 points, Ferrari got 104 points, so the gap is 39 points, not 49 points. The same for drivers, Leclerc got 71 points, Russell got 37 points, so the gap is 34 points, not 37 points.
Don’t expect much from The Race mate
ok boomer
@@dis6wood They literally have one of the best mainstream technical analyses of what’s currently happening in F1, what do you mean “don’t expect much from The Race”. I agree the mistake in maths should be noticed in proofreading of the script, but that doesn’t take away anything from the quality of their videos
@@dis6wood The Race always got typo in terms of counting those.
@@drilled4798 hi Aubrey. Happy fasting month. 🙏 From Purwanti Allan. 🙏
Thank you for explaining porpoising the 10th time, i almost forgot what it means...
You heard it 10 x times? under what rock do you live, every sirious F1 fan has heard it at least 1000x times , it"s in every f1 2022 video you watch
They didn’t even explain it properly this gazzilionth time
And the explanation is wrong 🤣. It has nothing to do with stalling. It's balance point and resonance.
You're going to be a fun grandpa mate ! 😂
@@ioannistompros1830 *Wrong or incomplete?!*
I suspect it might be part what you said, part what they said!
Like they said: if THEY can accurately diagnose this issue, they'd be *working for Mercedes* not The Race.
I don’t really understand porpoising yet. Can you give another explanation of it please?
Ground effects bottom out and stall, car loses downforce and rises. Ground effects start working again and car gets pushed down again, until the cycle repeats.
@@skaldlouiscyphre2453 i think that might have been sarcasm
@@sabu1297
Meh. If someone's sick of explanations they shouldn't ask for an explanation.
@@skaldlouiscyphre2453 damn you're easily pissed off😳
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Man, I really hope that after fixing porposing completely the Ferrari will be an even better car
I'm happy for Ferrari to be winning, though all I want is close racing at the top.
Have to give it to Ferrari, they've done an amazing job with this car. It's amazing how this car is the class of the field and yet it's not even at its full potential.
I don't think "fixing porpoising completely" is a possibility. If it's no longer an issue in performance (minimal on the straight, not affecting the braking or corner entry, and not affecting high downforce corners), you're set.
Alternatively, be less terrible than the other guy 😅
But I think the Ferrari will get quicker 😎
@@MMAli-rq8kd i also think the redbull will get faster, it doesnt porpoise at all and redbull has always had a good mid season development
Apprently Ferraris suspension there working on should get rid of porpoising completely so the can run it as low as possible. That’s a big update in the second half of the season
I don’t think that porpoising is Mercedes-Benz biggest issue (albeit it is one), I’m thinking that the whole car just sucks and the “hide-pods” are a bad design philosophy. There also seems to be a power deficit with all of the Mercedes-Benz powered teams as well.
They have a fuel efficiency issue vs Ferrari who was apparently in the development loop with F1.
Yo, that’s a scary thought for rival teams that Ferrari can find more performance when they eventually eliminate the porpoising. 😱😨😱
The same applies for the Merc's, and judging by their unique design they probably are going to become a spaceship again,
@@4ksquad348 Can only do so much if they don't step up before the mid-season point.
@@4ksquad348 merc engine is weak it’s not just the aero. alpine, RBhonda and Ferrari are much more powerful
Ferrari doesn't have as much to gain from eliminating porpoising due to their higher "porpoising threshold". The merc is carrying it into corners and high speed, the Ferrari is hitting it at higher speeds only. This is also why the merc is higher off the ground, Ferrari doesn't have as much wiggle room here as they are already lower.
Mercedes scares me, the fact they have the most different looking car on the track scares me more, the fact that in their testing this was the fastest body scares me even more than the first 2.
Mercedes is currently in contention for podium placement even with their issues. If they sort them out anytime soon they will be downright dangerous. Also don't discount "spicy engines". They are already busting out laser range finders on the vehicle to try and sort the porpoising.
The merc is heavier, running higher off the ground, and bouncing through corners. Meanwhile the Ferrari is at fighting weight, low to the ground due to better porpoising thresholds, and smooth through the corners.
All this being said, GO FERRARI!
Just don't spoil the spirit of racing with another fuelgate or your "historical bonus" should be subject to removal. Meaning no extra 2.5% income and no extra veto power on new rules. Thats not what the history of racing should be. (although the FIA already veto'd ferrari's veto of engine cost caps for 2026 by creating new powers for the FIA that supercede Ferrari)
@@brandonhoffman4712 I mean if Ferrari attempted Fuelgate 2.0 they'd be caught out immediately by the extra amount of sensors present on the car due to the first Fuelgate.
Very informative video. Keep up the good work.
I love the dialogue
If we knew what the problem was we'd be working for Mercedes 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂
It was truely a great video. Those graphs and box plots give a lot of data for those inclined. The stall speed graphs took some serious data analysis to make. Amazing! They could have delved into the box plots more. Box plots tell you a lot more than just the median value which they quoted.
Take a look at Ferrari's vs Mercedes vs Red Bulls box plots. F and M have very large dispersion (spread) of data. And also the median line is very skewed to the high side. The difference in data profiles show that these teams are taking a totally different approach. Ofc this video was not about RB but here's a bit more of what you can glean from that plot.
A quick lesson on box plots:
Bottom whisker: 0th quartile (min value)
Bottom edge of box: 1st quartile (25% of data)
Line in middle: median, ie 2nd quartile (50% of data)
Top edge of box: 3rd quartile (75% of data)
Top whisker: 4th quartile (max value)
Note though that we know nothing about the displacement amplitude of the porpoising. This is only how hard the porpoising force is.
F and M both have a big range (0.5 - 1.4g for Ferrari) of porpoising force. While RB has a very tight spread, means their porposing is confined, reacting very uniformily through the race. The long lower whisker for F and M means that it doesn't happen often in the lower values. More often when it happens, it happens hard. The tight spread of RB may mean they are being overconservative to avoid porpoising at all costs, which may not be beneficial. Although, they have been quite fast in quali, so perhaps they are further ahead.
Music is spot on btw! Well done!
Thank-you for posting! :) Great comparison!
Haven’t we established that porpoising is not just aero stall but also in large part due to suspension factors?
It's a vibrational coupling of aerodynamic and suspension response. In a similar way that flutter in aircraft wings is a vibrational coupling of aerodynamic and the elastic response of the structure (hence the field dedicated to such problems is called aeroelasticity).
Amazing video as always!
The word 'porpoising' has been used more in the last month than in all of recorded history.
Anyone who thinks Merc's lack of performance is because of that have clearly not seen Charles Leclerc bouncing up and down like a rodeo bull in the first three races of the season.
Except Ferrari bounce on the straights at very high speed, while Mercedes bounce much earlier, including corners. Nothing alike lol
Did you even watch the whole video? He clearly explains why it's more of a problem for Merc than Ferrari even though the Ferrari is bouncing more.
Ferraris side pod play a huge part
I 2nd this porpoising announcement. I have used porpoise more in 2022 than the rest of my life combined and were only like 33% of the way through 2022!
Anyone who makes a comment like this has clearly not watched the video he made a comment under.
You should have mentioned the aero reason and differences, being the overall aero-concept, especially the sidepods. A lot of Mercedes aero problems come from their sidepod concept. Thats why almost every team went away from Micro-Sidepods. And because of their cooling system Mercedes cannot change one of the important areas for this, the inlet, this year.
Alright every channel is milking this now, same thing different wording and everybody already know this
Must be nothing else to talk about or lazy n copy n past
Non race weekend filler
Don't forget to subscrib€, bro !
They've been doing this since preseason it's so annoying. But yeah at this point it's pretty obvious they are just paraphrasing other CZcams videos
"I know all about this topic, that means it should no longer been covered 🤓"
Talk about entitlement complex. Clearly you're the sole audience for this channel. The center of the universe...
I can only imagine how frustrating was for the Mercz team to learn that Ferrari's porpoising in Australia was even worse than theirs, and yet Ferrari made it look like a completely easy victory.
Mercz - "Why are we losing again?"
Mercz - "Ferrari already fixed their porpoising"
After the telemetry,
Mercz - "Oh!... We're so F'k!!"
Ferrari is the lighter car out of the three top teams. So if anyone can be concerned is RB. They have barely any porpoising, don't know if it's because of ride height or a better overall design. Mercedes has the downforce on the car, but can't use it without bouncing like crazy, plus on top of that has an engine 0.2s slower and a car as heavy as the RB. Eliminate these problems and they are at least the second fastest team behind Ferrari, with RB in third. Of course with a heavy car like the RB, they can still unlock more gains by shaving off some of the weight.
@@The_Curious_Cat
I think you're forgetting that much of that, from all three teams, is already from the compromises each team has taken, and Ferrari's lightness is not any different, this is just part of each team thinking of a different solution to the same problem but, even so, Ferrari's porpoising was much worse in Australia than the Mercz, so, being lighter didn't help Ferrari.
@THE RACE You're awesome!! 😃😃👍👍👌👌
Wow, that thumbnail picture alone is worth the price of admission.. that is SO telling. Incredible.
Great video keep it up
Cus Merc has porposing at lower speeds. Speeds at which you go through highspeed corners. Which is dangerous so they raise ride-height.
Ferrari comes at way higher speeds. Which only happens in end of straights.
Exactly this, Ferrari can count on a massive traction from the Superfast engine, and not worry about porpoising for atleast 3/4 of the straights, it could potentially be a problem under braking, but other than that, it's pretty much under control, and they're clearly not suffering too much from it
great vid
can we talk about the awesome background music The Race is using even though it might be not that noticable. Drum n Bass makes all vidoes Better!
Wow!! I LOVE the graphics at 8:07 and 8:12! That looks AWESOME!! 🌟🌟
That's from the youtube channel 'F1 Visualized'
@@gergelystechnicmodels8565 official F1 can learn from them! 😅👍👍💎💎
I just want every team to completely fix the porpoising issue so I never have to hear about it ever again. I want to watch videos about F1, the sport, the racing and the drivers. Not "This week in Porpoising"
Edit: I consider engineering to fall under the "sport" category. I obviously enjoy this aspect its just there is a lot more to talk about on these new cars than he just porpoising. It's mostly the same regurgitated points in all of these videos. Very little new is actually being said on the topic.
For me it's part of the engineering challenge, like any other problem in F1. I used to want the FIA to allow active suspension again, but seeing as how some teams are figuring out solutions, I want to see them compete to find the best one
F1 is about engineering though. The racing and drivers are the final part of getting the job done, but primarily F1 is an engineering competition.
One of the coolest things about F1 is the engineering. If you only care about drivers and races, you should look into Indycar (though maybe the ovals will bore you).
I greatly enjoy the engineering aspect as well. I considered that falling under the category of the "sport". But that doesn't mean I want to watch week after week of videos where the bring up porpoising like none of us have ever heard of it before in order to pad out the length of the video. I'm sure their are many other interesting engineering challenges to discuss, especially since this is the first season of the new regs. And to add insult to injury, they aren't even giving a complete explanation of porpoising and are still acting like the underfloor aero stalling is the only cause of porpoising when its a much more complex issue than that. It's not just that they only talk about porpoising, it's that the vast majority of analysis I've seen (that's not from people like Scarbs) is overly simplistic and the basic analysis hasn't really evolved at all. They are still talking about it in pretty much the same way they were week 1. Very little new is being said.
@@e2rqey I get what you're saying now. Your problem is with the journalism aspect, rather than the porpoising issue itself. We're not getting any meaningful updates because:
1)Most journalists don't fully understand the issue and have to rely on what little they do know to talk about porpoising
2)The teams still haven't brought meaningful upgrades yet, so we're not seeing any progress, meaning the journalists don't have much to talk about in terms of updates.
For now, until there's more progress, we can avoid the videos that regurgitate the same info.
the race just keeps delivering in every video. banger and props to all of you guys at the race! the best channel i subbed to for all my extra F1 content! love you all!
Ferrari side pods collect air and send it to the rear making a drop shape which is the most aerodynamic effective shape. So even if it suffers from proposing it has an aerodynamic advantage
oh great. when are Mercedes gonna give you your contract based on your unbelievable insights
Did you miss the part where merc stated it is carrying the "porpoising" into the corners and into the high speed. Both areas that lose it time.
Every team has made a hypothesis' about a proper aero setup and continue to develop and change it. Every spectator relies on belief. Belief is the acceptance of something as true without evidence.
Perhaps we shouldn't rest on the laurels of sidepod aerodynamics...
All the experts in the comments last season, were talking about how Merc were going to crush everyone like 2014 under this new regulation. And now they've changed their tune to, "Merc have so much downforce", and "once they get this fixed", as if anything is guaranteed in this sport, and the other teams will just stand still. Merc don't have their mountains of data to fall back on with this new regulation, and they don't have a massive budget advantage, either.
When you are a post-Schumi Ferrari fan, you tend to expect the worst
I'm just happy to see Ferrari at the front with redbull on its heals, excluding the engine issues redbull have had. Let's hope Ferrari can keep this up and pull more w's
I love these graphs and bar diagrams 🔥
The interesting thing which I haven't seen mentioned yet is how the Mercedes begins porpoising earlier than other cars, which could imply that the W13 is doing a better job at generating downforce at lower speeds and may be capable of generating more downforce at higher speeds. Should they find a solution to fix it, that could shake up things quite a bit.
Maybe Mercedes will be fast with a track with lots of corners and less top speed area
"could shake things up a bit" - I see what you did there. ;)
@@heelandtoe33 and yes it did, well whatever that means
Fantastic analysis. More of this instead of the trash news of other channels!!
Did I just hear Edd say "yumping?!" 🤣🤣🤣
The stall does not occur at a speed but rather at an angle of attack that is measured between the mean chord line of the surface in question and the relative airflow. It can be associated with a speed in a certain environment once the angle is determined.
Mercedes will bounce back soon but it will be hard to challenge Leclerc. He is clearly the title favorite for this season.
i see what you did there 🤣
Bounce back 😂
Mercedes will bounce back a lot
It’s his title to lose. Game over for Max and others.
@@Loki-sk7bi It`s game over for lewis, not Max.
That thumbnail is brilliant
As you said but not really questioned: I dont think Mercedes has 1 second in pocket once they have the bouncing under control. If it is that simple everyone except RedBull has something seriously to gain...
Why,every one?
Did they have this issues a lot in the 70s when they 1st used ground effect? I know they had issues with bumps loosing the ground effect but I don't remember reading about porpousing.
So conclusion Ferrari simply built an overrall better car.
I love the videos, but the last while I've noticed really sharp noises on all the "s" sounds, which can be harsh on the ears, it's not just Ed either, it's across all the videos, it's only a small thing, but was just wondering if anyone else heard it. Still love the content, you're always the first place I come for f1 news.
No grand updates for Imola, given the sprint race and the minor diffuser upgrade for practice is Australia was more to confirm, what they’re working on is actually doing what it’s meant to be doing and they can expect the performance to translate to the track. SF are still definitely compromised on corner entry and top speed on the straights. The engine isn’t being pushed significantly right now. Right now, it’s all about dealing with it as best as possible. No team will find it easy to resolve because the conditions can’t be run or replicated off track.
I'm not a walking encyclopedia so I'm not sure off the top of my head which teams use what... but silly question... is the porpoising being experienced only by teams using push/pull-rod on the front and not the other type? Could it be partly influenced by the choice of suspension type?
Perhaps Leclerc, Sainz & Russell are better drivers. 🤔
Who else thinks that the tiny sidepods on the Mercedes is basically pointless?
Science says that delivers the best airflow to cool the car and should deliver more air per square inch of opening than other teams since it is pulled in closer to the bodywork.
It also looks to be a more vertical shape which should hold better in a corner. If the car didn't bounce through them LOL!
If the car was less bouncy, as far from the ground as Ferrari, had the power Ferrari does, and weighed the same. Ferrari would have problems.
@@brandonhoffman4712 all true. But even the Barcelona test car still had very small sidepods. One thing I noticed with the current Mercedes is that the center of gravity seems to be very high because they had to move some components (fuel tank and radiators I believe) upwards, and the car appears to be pretty bulky up high. Especially compared to the Barcelona car that was super neatly packed and slim around the top and rear portion of the bodywork. Not sure how big of an issue this is compared to the potential benefits of the tiny sipepods but it’s definitely a noticeable difference just in the look of both versions of the car
@@Xx_Draxxo_xX I hadn't really thought about CG much. But I know Mercedes did in their simulations. I do quite enjoy this season so far! Watching Mercedes truly struggle is a rare sight these days.
At the same time they scare me with potential. And seem to be thinking outside the box that other teams are in.
Haas said they considered a body like this but it was slower in their simulations, not sure what the differences were that made Mercedes simulations faster.
I like to picture this season as Ferrari being chased by fat girls! Seeing as merc is 20lbs overweight and red bull is almost 40!
Or maybe fat dolphins considering the times!
P.S. I heard China is thinking about adding the year of the Porpoise! 15 days too late...
@@brandonhoffman4712 year of the Porpoise LOL. Cheers mate
Sir "My team doesn't make mistakes" Hamilton
If Red bull finds , and fixes their problems of reliability. They will be hard to beat, but Merc is going to have a hard to time fixing that floor without it getting even heavier than already is. Ferrari starts to control the up down just a little bit more , and know one will catch them... but we get 20 more races to see. Yea for us.....
I'm sure there's an obvious reason not to, but at Imola why don't MB run the x1 car in the Barcelona spec and x1 car in the Bahrain spec to see if the zero-sidepods are the issue? After all, they didn't have much porpoising in Barcelona.
Hehe I would put a small roulleman or 5th wheel of sorts on the floor(as part of the chassis) in the rear to hit the ground andstop the car from going below a certain point but I don't know if its legal... but it should have a window in the rulebook
Question for Gary Anderson: Could something like FRIC or shapeshifting devices like those used in the current crop of MotoGP bikes help to curb porpoising?
Before watching the video, that's an EXCELLENT question, and I am looking forward to watching this video.
could mercedes longer wheelbase provide lever effect, making the amplitude bigger?
Wheelbase is same for all cars in these new regulations
And if they were longer. Still no. there wouldn't be added leverage as the ground effect is occurng between the rear wheels. It's not a wing at the back of the car.
It is an intrinsic part of the ground effect causing a stall in downforce which causes the rear to lift. Which when combined with the undampened nature of f1 cars leads to this porpoising. The amplitude is a mix of all downforce being applied (even the front wing) then not (ground effect) in conjunction with relatively undampened suspension. Leading to various amounts of rhythmic motion and cars with different thresholds for the motion to occur.
This is also why porpoising has gone from true porpoising in early practice to more "bouncing" as seen lately. The bouncing is better for racing than a true porpoising which would have the entire car moving to a wave function that builds in amplitude. The porpoising we are seeing now is more squatting, where before the front end was engaged as well. (in some cars)
What may be the problem between purpoising and rain? Aquaplanning? Loss of control?
A simple matter of compression and rebound damping in concert with spring rates. Mercedes should work with Ohlin suspension.
Idk if this makes sense but can't they raise a section of the floor so that it doesn't stall?
Curious that ALPINE said they figured it out and declared 'for us ,it's a on/off thing for us now ,we can have it or turn it off as we please'..!!??
Why is there no mention of porpoising occurring when the load on the chassis is disturbed at high speed (ex. hitting a bump or dip on the track surface)? That's what is actually starting the cycle, and why the problem remained undetected under wind tunnel conditions where the car is stationary. I noticed it at Bahrain, especially in the Mercedes case, which indicates the problem is insufficient dampening of the suspension. The same problems back in the 80s fueled the race for active suspension technology, initially planned to fix the issues with ground effect and side skirts before they were banned, went on to make history in teams like Williams with the FW14B, and later the FW15C
After 7 years of dominating, nice to see Merc finally struggling.
As a Ferrari fan, let's hope 2022 is the year they finally win it all and end the 15 year old drought.
They’ll will win it, and beyond!
Why is it "nice' to see them stuggle? I can see cheering for your team but being an actual hater makes no sense.
@@warfarelover1
Reread my main comment and you'll have your answer.
Hating and disliking other teams has been part of F1 for a very long time.. just ask Williams,McLaren,Ferrari....
@@MooncricketsInc mercy fan all bitter now..
They dont have mirror..
Ferrari many years get joke from hamy fan cause they're strugling..
Its normal, many british fan dont like ferrari..
Look at schumi era, no secret british fan hate germany-italy combination, they're like rival always...
If Ferrari don't win it all this year, they should retire from the sport.They are so far ahead this year.
But yeah when it comes to F1 I apply a ATEM principle: Any Team Except Mercedes.
Thanks for making this video Ed. I may not always agree with you people from the race all the but that is just a fact of life. One take away from this video is Red Bull ain’t as fast as one would think and I know the stop watch don’t lie. Red Bull remains the only car one could say is not affected by porpoising so if Ferrari could solve their porpoising they might be 2/10 or 3/10 a lap quicker. That tells me there is hope for Mercedes.
That split screen thumbnail tells volumes. The Ferrari just looks sleeker everywhere. Seems like they got their floor way better.
And then there's RB who just struggle to finish.
And they will still finish ahead of Mercedes
@@aldogjipali2835 right now they sure aren't. So don't count those chickens yet.
@@trance9158 you will see
@@aldogjipali2835 yeah ur dreams
The issue is bigger in Merc than in RB right now.. Merc cant change their power unit which is the root of their problem while RB having issue with fuel system which by regulations, they can modify it in anyway they wish
If you watch any replays the up and down on the Ferrari while aggressive is more controlled where the merc up and down has definitely a higher frequency than the Ferrari.
Even if Mercedes can completely fix the porpoising would still be behind Ferrari. It's a wrong car overall
Even if you fix your suspension. The tires can still squish down past your suspension limit. Still causing tha problem. They need active suspension on these things
What song is playing in the background at 6:09? o_O
The Alpine doesn't suffer from porpoising, guess they got that part right, if they can keep the engine from grenading or its gearbox in one piece, it could join the top 2 very soon.
The theory of the origin of Porposing is wrong. Please refer to James Allison comments (Mercedes race debriefs), Peter Wrights (Pioneers of ground effect in F1, in Peter Winsor youtube video) and ScarbsTech comments (in Driver61 videos). It is not as simple as a floor stall...
5:46 there's a typo in the third box "expension"
Side pods, lower wing rake.
Does anyone know te background music drum and bass song?
Mercedes Benz lack of side pod's Must be playing a part ,in regards to bouncing/Lack of downforce.
@@Cloxxki you'd be dead wrong about other languages...
@@Cloxxki when did f1 turn into a Grammar lesson
@@Cloxxki WTF this man
Pedant of the day award goes to …
@@_Y.official Please write "When" with a capital W as it is at the beginning of the sentence, "grammar" in lower case, and do not forget the question mark. 😁🤣😉
It looks like Mercedes gained from the decision of removing the DRS zone before turn 9.
Sounds mega complicated to solve!
I see Ed has sobered up after those Aus GP rankings
I wonder if the f1 game 2022 will include porpoising. That would be fun to play....hihi
Charles Leclerc hasn’t remonstrated too much about porpoising, despite the bounce in Melbourne Leclerc was quite aplomb and retained his poise in the cockpit to deliver stupendous drive throughout the weekend. Neither verstappen nor Hamilton is gonna getaway with easy WDC titles anymore. I firmly believe that Leclerc is that key difference between Ferrari, RBR and Mercedes Benz.
There’s a reason that the tifosi call LeClerc “IL Predestinato” (The Gladiator) 🏎 💨
@@jstoli996c4s . Quite true that bro. I well and truly knew that Charles Leclerc was potential world champion in the making. He was damn good at alfa and he has wiped the floor with Sebastian vettel during his time at Ferrari
@@kriskr8178 agree 💯 Even with the shitbox Ferrari in 2020 and 2021, LeClerc still produced some impressive drives, so you knew he would be a beast once the Scuderia got their act together.
@@jstoli996c4s exactly mate, I second that. My only concern was what IF, IF FERRARI could never produce fast cars or an competitive package for their racing drivers like they had always done in the past with stellar racing drivers who had driven for this historic team. Few racing drivers did wear their heart on their sleeves, much like Fernando Alonso between 2010 to 2014. Ferrari had let Alonso completely down those years by just producing red tractors 🚜 that was way off the pace against the class leading RBR racing, silver arrows and even against the Mclarens to a lesser extent. Fortunately Ferrari have made use of their extra time at wind tunnel this term and had begun the 2022 season with a strong or fast package that is quite competitive enough against the Red Bulls
this season is really good even though we're dealing with the bouncing. I'm excited to see how Alfa does :)
Take a drink every time he says "porpoising"
Mercedes has already said this explanation of why the porpoising is happening on their car is incorrect (or at least very incomplete). Why haven't you adjusted your analysis since then?
Mercedes struggling is the best thing that has happaned to F1 since 2012.
It looks to me that the teams need to control the suspension travel to tune the air flow under the car. Cars with rake could pull the nose down to restrict airflow or open the rear to open the exit. If the center of pressure is to far back you can’t use the pitch of the car to manage the underfloor pressure.
Exactly. For cars with 3rd springs, this seems like a silly issue to still have. Sounds like they need to start hiring lmp1/2 aero and suspension techs.
@@vladimirzakrevski3157 Mercedes’ experience and aero has been in maintaining a flat car (low rake concept) with aero bias uniform front to rear. Some how you need to legally starve the intake to maintain constant ride height and air pressures as the aero load increases. An intake vortex or blead vortex could do the trick. We used to do all sorts in motocross to maintain constant exhaust pressure at different RPMs old school air tuning is a lost art.
@@tobycolin6271 they can raise the area ahead of the throat to prevent stall at low ride height. Lmp and gt cars do exactly that with the raised center section splitters and it works.
Ithink this is what Alfa Romeo is doing
I hate that word because it's rather cumbersome to pronounce ( non-english native ), I'll stick with 'bouncing'.
That said, it's one of those words people of other languages find just a tad ridiculous - you know, like if a german said 'Doppelkupplungsgetriebe' or something. Not a bad thing at all, languages are funny, but 'bouncing' does the trick for me while not at the same time sounding ridiculous to my foreign ears.
Thanks for the upload, have a fun season everyone!
So the question is, isn´t it dangerous? Isn´t there a moment where the ground effect lets go, the mechanical grip reduces and the car goes flying? Doesn´t look safe.
If you're afraid of a Gilles Villnueve, I wouldn't be too concerned because the cars are so much heavier than the 80s. They aren't going to go flying unless they're climbing tyres in ultra high speed corners.
Its easy to answer: it's not the same if the car starts porpoising at 30 mm clearance or 2mm clearance
Every video about Mercedes porpoising starts with 5 minutes of explaining what porpoising is.
But are they doing on porpoise?
That cover photo looks like BAR year 1 😅
super efficient ground effects equals super aggressive ground effects suck . Who needs aerofoils to add confusion and drag.
4:30 I thought it was the end of the video.........
No Mikey no, please come back like the old days when you were helping us the whole season… I miss your love. Lol
Disaster? Surely the only disaster is the Fizzy Drinks team start.
As I understand it (and to be honest, I only understand what YT channels such as this has told me), purpoising is caused by the undercarriage stalling as it drops too low, correct? So why can't Merc just add a stopper to the suspension that literally bottoms out the suspension before it gets low enough to cause a stall? Admittedly, it might not be the most comfortable ride at high speed once the downfalls hits the stopper, but surely the performance would be worth it? I assume I'm over simplifying it.
The suspension will crash into the stopper on corners or large bumps too, which is not ideal at all.
Mercedes will not admit there performance was down to only their active suspension
With that ban this year they r back to their original performance
Do please RE explain porpoising in every subsequent video, I'd hate to forget.
I wonder if the f1 2022 games will have cars bouncing and peole that test games but don't know about the issues with f1 will think it's a bug in the games.