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Kiev 88 - Russian Medium Format Camera
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- čas přidán 17. 08. 2024
- The Kiev 88 is an excellent alternative to a Hasselblad system when your finances are tight. I shot on this camera for about 7 years as I just couldn't afford to do the 'blad thing.
You'll have to look for these cameras used as they don't make them anymore. Also worth noting is the build quality is pretty inferior to other Medium Format cameras of this design. There is also a Kiev 88cm. These offer improvements such as a cloth shutter curtain and a Pentacon Six lens mount. My personal opinion is that these are not worth the extra money since the build quality is still a little flakey. The clearest way to go in my opinion is the older style if the objective is to save money.
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Wow, thanks for this!
I used Kiev 88's from around 1997 to 2003 for product photos for a Premier League English soccer club's merchandise catalogues and publicity.
At the time I had pro Nikon 35mm kit but the printer I was contracted to demanded 6x6 for scanning.
The budget didn't run to a Hasselblad and hiring kit for a month was out of the question (although I did hire a Mamiya 6x9, Polaroid back and lenses for macro work).
I bought a Kiev 88 kit and wide angle lens and set to work.
The image quality was excellent but everything was shot on slide film with 2 stops bracketing. Basically we did the job, but I was shooting up to 10 rolls a day. At the end of the shoot I had used 350 rolls and wind-on was increasingly inaccurate. By the 3rd year I had eaten up 2 backs - you could see iron filings coming off the gears!
Shutter speeds under 15th packed up completely and the 30th sec flash synch was very limiting. I eventually went through 3 bodies and 8 backs over the years, but it was still cheaper than a 'blad.
The worst experience I had was shooting a wedding - I changed backs and pulled out the metal film shield and sliced my hand- blood everywhere. Happily it was at the reception and kitchen staff dressed my wound!
Happy days.
Which Premier League club? 🤔
I was talking cameras with my son and he mentioned he had a big Russian camera on the top of his cupboard, been there for at least 6 years and had no idea what it was. Someone bought it where he works (architects / design), they had it on there desk, never used it but left the company and never took the camera. It found its way to another desk for a couple of years and remained ignored then that person left and it was dumped on my son's desk. He left me holding and grabbed the box, blew the dust off and inside is a Kiev 60 TTL with leather case, filters, lens and straps everything. It's absolutely immaculate. It's 4.3 lbs of weighty fun. I will not see him for a while but so looking forward to getting hold of this.
I LOVE YOUR CATS!!
I got a Bronica SQ-A with 3 lenses (50, 80, and 150), 120 back, 220 back, and prism finder for under $200.
Just got one of these today! I did get the CM model, but it came with a Carl Zeiss Biometar 80mm f2.8 lens, TTL spot viewer, 2 waist level finders, film back, and some other accessories for $179 on eBay today. It's a used camera but was apparently working before it was stored and sold. Love your videos, Ted. Very informative and your method of speaking is very calm and friendly..like we are hanging out and just talking back and forth. Just subscribed! Keep the good videos coming!
I bought one of these back in September and I'm loving shooting on it. I did get it serviced by Arax and I'm currently awaiting the 150mm 2.8, and the 45mm 3.5.
I'm a fan of the podcast and quickly becoming a fan of the VLOG....keep up the great work Ted! As an aside, I like the camera "previews" of the Russian rangefinders and the Kiev 88. There are so few people talking about these great cameras.
I have shot with a Lubitell 166 but now shoot mostly with a Yashica MAT LM or a Hassy CM for medium format. I NEVER leave home without my Olympus XA2 though.
Keep surprising us!
I bought mine as a kit - body, 80mm, 2 backs, WLF, TTL prism, a couple of filters, and a bag to keep it in. I later added the converter/extension tube, 65mm, and after a couple of trips with the 250mm f5.6 realised why many prefer the 150mm - nice kit, though.
The XA2 is a great camera… I've got one too. Big favorite.
Still have one with 2 lenses the focal plane shutter is a noisy beast .at camera club one night we were able to swap parts with an early model hassy lol. Now using rb67 which is a lot heavier to handle.long live film😎
About 20 years ago, you could get a Kiev 60 for what a new back for the Kiev 88 sold for. Build quality/reliability was a bit better, although it (K60) suffered from frame overlap. I cured mine of the frame overlap problem. There were many places claiming to have gone through the Kiev 88 and upgraded the reliability. KievUSA was one of the biggest importers, and wouldn't sell a camera he didn't go through. Of course, this was at a premium, negating much of the savings a K88 provided. Looking at eBay, it looks like you can get a much better constructed camera for as little or less than a K88.
10:51 a cat!
PS: The volna-3 is a SUPERB lens!!!
Pentacon was an East German manufacturer formed out of several firms in 1959, but didn't go by that name until 1964.
I got a Yashica-D for about 180$, and that's the expensive side. TLRs are a good way to get into Medium Format.
I love this camera! It was my second medium format camera after the Holga as well.
I personally prefer the waist-level viewfinder to the TTL prism. Much easier to shoot with.
The cardboard boxes in the background are a nice touch. Next time look for some plastic baskets filled with laundry. All kidding aside thanks for shooting and sharing the video.
Love this episode! The Kiev factory was in Kiev, Ukraine. It was nicknamed "the arsenal" because they also made tanks(?) I have had a few of these over the years the oldest one I had to sent out to Gevorg (Arax Photo) for repair a few years ago. I wish I could buy one of their upgraded K88 or K60. But who knows, if I get to developing my own film I just might. (I have been good!) :D
I've always found it weird that photographers dubbed 35mm as being the amateur format, over the years. It's such a shame! I have medium format cameras, but am addicted to 35mm. It just has something about it that's extremely appealing to me. How can it be dubbed amateur, when the likes of Cartier-Bresson and Frank shot some of the world's greatest photographs on 35mm film? Awesome video again, Ted! You are the best photo-vlogger out there! :)
Have you seen the Arax cameras? They're basically stripped down Kievs that have been rebuilt to increase the build quality (quality control on the Kievs was never that great) and have had a few parts beefed up and replaced, and they're still ridiculously cheap.
I'm a huge Baril fan… Excellent point.
I liked your other family member cats going past in the back ground. I too am a sucker for animals.
glad i am not the only one with a kiev 88 and i have also a polariod back for my kiev. i use the camera for portrets
Hi, where can I get one?
КИЕВ 88
In 2000-2005, the factory "Arsenal" in Kiev resumed production of these cameras. Now you can buy them in Kiev.
Well first of all, The Kiev 88 is the most well-known of the Kiev cameras. Produced by the Arsenal factory in UKRAINE. Not Russia
At the time those original cameras were made, Ukraïne was part of the Sovjet Union.
You sound like the type of guy I don't want to be friends with
@@caleidoo It was part of the ussr, but it was never russian
@@GlibShpychka USSR = Russia
@@SketchTurnerZero that's very incorrect. USSR was a huge country that consisted of many different republics, with the biggest one being Russia. this camera was Ukrainian, if you want to talk about the specific republic that made it.
Hasselbladski!!!
Nah.
HasselBLYAD.
SUPER. Great report. Thanks.
I agree. I about to purchase the Mamiya c33 soon.
What are your thoughts on the mamiya medium format cameras?
By the way, Kiev 88 is still produced to order on "Arsenal" factory in Kiev (obviously!).
That's right. Pentacon is a German camera. Kiev 60 has the same lens mount also.
Why didn’t you show
Examples of your photos
Taken with it?
Got a couple and with
Babying work well
Love the cats, have you ever heard of a town called Newtownforbes?
Awesome!!! Can you do a Volg on "Inspiration"? I know you slip this topic into alot of your Blogs and Vlogs. Can you also give some tips on what to do when your having Photographers Block?
Doesn't that big post in the middle of your kitchen get in the way? I just traded for one of these. I should have it sometime next week.
Hi! Im considering buying the Arax CM/MLU. I understand its a upgraded version of the Kiev 88cm. So whats the difference between the two?
Hello I need HELP...I got this camera and the din numbers are as follow 31/28/25/22/19/16/13/10/ I saw a table that says that din 21 is for 160/200/250 iso???? so if I load a 100 iso film what will the number here? can't find the right answer and being two days searching, and my dial dont have 100/200/400 etc iso, please help before I go insane thank you
Cool review. Only one thing. Kiev is not Russian camera. It's Ukrainian camera and the factory is in Kiev.
Soviet camera is the best term.
Ted Ill love if you could dive more into composition. I find that composition is the hardest thing to master, and personally I struggle all the time with this. It would be nice if you could give tips, tricks and advises. Specially for the different form factors in film cameras and B&W vs Color. Thanks.
Hi, I have been a passive viewer for a while now.. well done and very useful content. cameras are all equally good.. for the most part! we photographers take/make the image and honestly any camera will do the job.
But if you appreciate quality and craftsmanship then there is nothing more beautiful than a nice Hasselblad 503 or a Leica camera.
I hope for more camera, digital-printer and scanner materials from you in the future. No need for reviews and such just opinion and thoughts.
Ali Sto
thanks for this one video!!! really informative!!!! i have wanted to get into medium format for a while but cant afford to shell out for a expensive kit but want something above a holga or diana :)
Nearly all Hasselblad backs (except for the newest ones without the gear reset pin hole) fit Kiev bodies and work fine. Kiev backs on Hassy bodies, not so much - they need some persuasion with a dremel to work. Hasselblad increased the thickness of the square light-stopper ridge around the shutter, the recess in the Kiev backs is a bit too tight.
Lol, those russians copied Leica's too! I had a Lubitel 6x6 that looked like a Rollei but I had a lot of fun and their cheap on Ebay. Love the cats!
For the long shutter speed photos, why not cover the lens with a cap or putting a dark card infront of it, effectively stopping the exposure before releasing the shutter? You think that would work?
Nice review. I would love to get in to medium format.
how do you go from the negative to a digital file on your computer?
Great video, I am searching now for the 88 cm but if I can find it at the right price a hasselblad 500c. I just got a package in the mail with a yashica 44 that seems to work flawlessly on all shutter speeds, now I just have to figure the rest out lol
Great video, just wondering if Hasselblad CFE lens work with the Kiew 88?
Great video. Do you know if the polaroid 100 or npc backs for the Hassy fit the Kiev88?
Wow you looks just like big bad boss in the movie and if I was a director I will get coroprate with you
what about light leaks? i love them but i've heard they have problems with light leaks and i know a seller on a local ebay type website in romania (where i live) he sells it for about 150$ a basic kit just like yours body, 80mm lens, prism finder and one back, i'm watching it for some time now and i don't know if i should get it or not.
neat. tried the clack yet? i found it to be a great little performer for what it is. be sure to load it up with ISO 100 or 125 for averagely best results.
where do you get your film developed? I don't have a darkroom I can use, so I would probably outsource this. Any suggestions?
nice cheap alternative, but have you also thought of Zenza bronica E C / 2/2 a camera systems they look similar, but are a cheap alternate as well, and since they have a separate focusing helicoid mount and lens unit, you can obtain Nikon lenses for them as well.
I enjoy this video frequently, but try and find a reasonably priced Kiev 88 nowadays. When I looked on ebay earlier today there was only one on there, body only and not functioning and it was still pricing in the hundreds :(
I think Mamiya makes great great MF cameras, TLR C series, RB/RZ, and the 645 models. There awesome and relatively cheap.
I would get the Pentacon with the Zeiss lens .
Do the prisims/viewfinders and lenses work on mamiya 645s in any way?
Hi, Kyiv 88 is Ukrainian camera which was made in former soviet union. It is definitaly not a russian camera.
Sorry it is a Russian camera. Actual Ukraine was part of Russia..It was made at the Arsenal factory in Kiev which was at one point of time the Russian capital before Moscow. The Arsenal factory was also building tanks at some point of time..The factory was closed, but bought by Arax which improved the camera, adding the mirror lock up and i.proving the lens mount on the camera, and some other things, I don't really remember.
You said it yourself, it was made in former Soviet Union. Therefore it is Russian
@@roiloubia4483 dude, I live in Ukraine, I know what I'm talking about. People who live abroad call former soviet union as 'russia' but that is completely wrong. soviet union was a country which included both russia (russian federative soviet socialistic republic) and Ukraine (Ukrainian soviet socialistic republic). Ukraine never was a part of russia and never will be. And just let you know - Arsenal factory is factory in Kyiv, not kiev, it worked even after disappearing of soviet union and the cameras like Kyiv 88, Kyiv 4AM, Kyiv 19M continued to developing till 2010s.
If you were choosing between a Kiev camera and a Pentacon six or old Bronica, which way would you go?
Amendment. Kiev 88 is not a Russian camera, not a Russian one. The author made a mistake. This apparatus was invented and assembled in Ukraine.
When this camera was made in the Arsenal factory on Kiev, Ukraine, obviously Kiev, was part of Russia (USSR)..go read your own history..further more, Kiev was at one point of time the Capital of Russia.
Own a Kiev 88 myself, a wonderful camera. If anyone needs any advice or tips specific to it, feel free to shoot me a message.
if you were to suggest a medium format under 500$ besides the Kiev what would you suggest?
I bought one today after loading the film .. I saw on the screen of the room, many blacks dots .. I tried to clean .. but every time I made a shot came out more and more .. for me and that is the seal around the mirror ...
+Domenico Meccariello Your nightmare is just beginning ...welcome to the Kiev 88 ....you aint seen nothing yet !
What should i get:
Pentacon 6 + MIR 45mm = 150
Pentacon 6 + Zeiss Biometar 80mm = about 80€
Kiev 88 + 90mm unkown lens brand = 250€
i can trade my d200 with the 18-70mm lens for the Kiev 88 + Pentacon 6 with the Zeiss lens.
Any suggestions?
Pelase help me, im new to medium format and film (:
Hello! These Kievs indeed are sweet cameras. However, they are Ukrainian, NOT Russian. Having myself a Salyut S (Kiev 88 forefather) from 1976, I can testify to both the quality and their unforgiving handling. Do it wrong, and it's broken. However, try the Vega-12 lens (the old standard lens), a true marvel! :)
11:08... it's not convenient, but a heavy sandbag on top of the camera would work too.
that cat tho. lol
hi do you need a flash for indoors ,?
Its random but I like your cats :P
that being said I like how informative your video is.
wasn't Pentacon made in Dresden, Germany?
Right. In Czechoslovakia were made Meopta's Flexarets.
hahaha, I actually just got my self a hasselblad 500 el/m and 2 A12 backs for about 140$.... still though getting that lens will be a pretty heavy expensse, and i certainly wont be able to afford them the way i would with kiev lenses.
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:D
So, it doesn't have a light meter?
Nope, not built in anyway. As he said there is an additional viewfinder that does include a metering device.
+Louis Zurn ...that is also not very functional ...I HATE this camera...Despise it....loathe it...I've started more then one time to throw it against a wall...then caught myself....I need some of my money back...Wish I had never seen a Kiev 88
I never even bothered with using it. I use my phone for all my metering purposes. I personally love my Kiev. It produces fantastic images and works well.
Is that a huge post in your kitchen? ....I'll bet its a scratching post for the cat...Took me a while...lmao
I saw two cats walking
The Kiev is Pointless in my opinion, the only good thing about it is its ground glass.
If you are on a tight budget you could look for a Yashica 124 Mat G or a Rolleicord. If you have a bit more to spend you cold opt for a Rolleiflex, Bronica (S2, S2A, EC, EC TL ...) or a Mamiya. Unlike the Kiev these all come with great Lenses ( Rollei - Zeiss, Schneider | Bronica - Nikon , Bronica | Mamiya - Mamiya) and are made for professional use, meaning they are far more reliable and precisely working.
Kiev-88 is not a Russian camera. Kiev-88 is a Ukrainian clone of Hasselblad 1000F.
It is Russian camera. It was built in the Arsenal factory. Ukraine was part of the Russian Federation..Kiev was a Russian town, it it was even the Capital of Russia at one point in the Russia's history. For the rest you are correct.
There's another hassey clone the zenza bronika wich i've heard they're much better than kievs.
Hey there, have you come across "photo SFX art" (google it)? On their website you will find a smart free video explaining how to create incredible photographs. It helped Matt to shoot photos which leave you with that wow-effect any time you look at them. Perhaps it will work for you too.
CAT!
i thought the cat is a rug, then it moved....
Yep.
I agree.
But now Ukraine is fully independent country.
Yes, but we ate talking about the camera, where is was made at the time it was made.
Kiev 88 is UKRAINIAN Medium Format Camera.
100% wrong..the majority of the industrial complexes in actual Ukraine are from the former USSR..(Russia)..
Ukrainian (USSR).
Although, we were one big country back then, with state production, the same scientists, suppliers, etc. There was no difference back then. Actually, there is not now. Only, Ukraine still have the same corrupted government ready to sell their mother for cash
And?
FYI this is a Ukrainian camera, not Russian. Kiev is the capital of Ukraine.
At the time this camera was made, Ukraine was part of the USSR or CCCP, so in a way...it is a Russian camera...
what is Russia?, did you mean Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic
Melon Gelon Sorry, but no. Ukraine was still Ukraine within Soviet, officially Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic.
That "Russia" was the de facto ruler of all Soviet is another story.
Snetmot Nosrorb i don't undestand your comment. first of all teritory which is now acupied by russia was called Russian SFSR. Second, Kiev 88 was produced by Arsenal, factory in Kiev in Ukraine. factory was cloused at 1999. And if so, if camera was made during 1991-1999, it is mafe in Ukraine, if it was prodused before, it was made in Ukraine republic.
Why Russian ? This is Soviet camera.
i`ts soviet, obviously.
It's Ukrainian not Russian
Go read..before saying nonsense. The camera was made during the USSR Era by a factory in Kiev called Arsenal. Ukraine was part the USSR at that time. USSR was Russia. Go read your history..It is like you say a lens made by Carl Zeiss Yena, is made by actual Germany..No, it was made in East Germany at that time..
@@roiloubia4483 It may have been part of the greater USSR but it's name was the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. The YSSR didn't join the USSR till 1939. I have 14 Kiev 88's, Salutes and Kiev 88CMs in my collection plus an ARAX88CM and I had ARAX make me up a whole new camera in black from parts just after the war started. That does not include my Kiev 6C, Kiev 50, Kiev 645, ARAX-60MLU and Hartbelei-60MLU.
@@roiloubia4483 I have a large collection of 14 Salutes, Kiev-80's, Kiev-88s, Kiev-88CMs, ARAX88CM/MLUs plus an 88 that was built up from parts for me by ARAX when the war started. That Plus Kiev-6C, Kiev-60, Kiev-645, ARAX-60MLU and a lone Hertblei-60. Ukraine was not always part of the Soviet Union. The YCCP did not join the USSR till 1939 and was making Leica knock offs since 1934. The "Hassygrads" obviously were not made till the 50's but they continued to be made after Ukraine became independent again. Some of my post 1992 Kievs are marked made in Ukraine. Hows that for history?
@@tplyons5459 What you have or have not is not relevant to the subject. Ukraine was part of the USSR (the country was called Russia) you like it or not. The Arsenal factory that produced the KIEV 88 camera, was built during the USSR Era, before the stocks were purchased by Arax. You proved nothing. What the actual war has to do with the Camera..???? Incroyable!!!!!
@@roiloubia4483 Again Sorry but NO. The Arsenal Factory commonly called Arsenal was built in 1764 to produce (of course) arms. In January 1918 workers at the factory saw what was happening in Russia and formed a similar movement which formed the bases of a movement to over throw the General Assembly and formed the YCCP It merged with the USSR in 1939. With the creation of the new state the Arsenal became the "Arsenal Special Device Production State Enterprise". It was also known as ZAVOD Arsenal. In WW2 the Soviets managed to disassemble the entire factory and move it to the Ural Mountains before the Germans managed to surround the city. . After the war it was slowly reassembled and started to produce HiTec (well for then) and consumer products. Starting in 1948 Arsenal produced it's first CONTAX II camera using production lines taken from Jena/Dresden as war reparations. They were branded Kiev 1 through 5. Besides range finder cameras they also designed their own line of single lens reflexes the most recent one using the Nikon bayonet mount. When Ukraine became independent again they continued to make cameras. They added a 120 sized camera to the Kiev-88 line that looked somewhat like the German Pentagon 6 and used the same mount and called it the Kiev-6C. It was improved to become the Kiev-60. They also introduced an improved version of the 88 called the 88CM. It was based on some of the improvements ARAX and Hartbelei were making to production 88s. The new camera included a redesigned magazine, crank handle, moved the shutter button to the side, changed the tripod mount to a single hole, improved the viewing hood, introduced a spot meter prism head and P-6 lens mount. As a collector it is interesting to see the parallel production lines and some of the cameras. It appears that every once in a while if the standard 88 line ran out of parts they would swipe a part off the CM line. As an example I have a 1995 Kiev-88 marked "made in Ukraine" and it has the winding crank off of an 88CM but everything else is 100% Kiev-88. So what happened to the line of cameras? The rumor mill says that one Monday morning the workers (co owners) showed up for work and found the supervisors along with all the machine tools gone and never seen again. True?? Who knows? Arsenal today is no longer the little 4 story building but has a skyscraper in the original Pechersky suburb which if memory serves is on the right bank of the river. The excellent optics production continues today. END of discussion please.
it UKRAINIAN Medium Format Camera NOT Russian
its no Ukraine and not Russian its USSR camera !
Yes. Its thrue
Dima Shahayda its not true, coz there were ukranian republic and other, but even if im wring it should be named as soviet camera
absolutly correct, and pleas do not start discussiin about ussr etc. most of the cameras were produaed between 1990-1999 until factroy was cloused, and it is indeed Ukrainian camera
USSR = Russia
Kiev not russian camera ...ukrainian!
Wrong.
K88 awful camera, shutter and absence of MLU make this camera pointless!!! Buy Mamiya RB67 instead today price of BR67 and Kiev88 almost comparable.
Russia=/=Ukraine