Are You Suitable To Own A Gun? - Assessing Suitability
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- There are many factors that can decide your suitability to obtain a firearm or shotgun certificate in the UK. We look through the guidance given to the Police used in assessing if you are suitable to own a gun.
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00:00 Overview
01:58 Public Safety And The Peace
02:40 Factors Taken Into Account
03:56 Associations And Behaviour
06:03 Assessment
06:57 Most Serious Factors
08:12 Summary - Sport
Fair or over the top?
I feel it is over the top
over the top absolutely
It sounds like a very comprehensive document, but does also seem to leave quite a lot of room for interpretation or discretion on the part of individual police forces.
Without a doubt over the top.
Yes most of these nanny-state restrictions need to go. It's like living in East Berlin on times. I always go back to this: If the state doesn't deem a person suitable to have an SGC (e.g 2+1 pump or semi), then neither should they hold a driving licence. Think about it. Most historic medical or criminal incidents that preclude a person from holding an SGC, should logically also stop them having a driving licence. And conversely, if they get a driving licence with that medical & criminal history, then they should also be able to get an SGC.
e.g. They have previously been suicidal so cannot get an SGC. Oh so they are still safe enough to drive a 7.5 tonne lorry down the M4 🙃
They have previously been an armed bank robber so cannot get an SGC. Oh so they are still safe enough to drive a 7.5 tonne lorry past a Barclays Bank without being a getaway driver 🙃
I find it weird how the government can deem you suitable to own some kind of firearms but not others. If you a deemed suitable to own one action type then you should be allowed to own all action types.
I think it's because they want good reason to ensure people aren't just accumulating an armoury. After all, 25 yard target shooting is no good reason to own a .308. Shotguns are different because a shotgun is just a shotgun.
Basically any reason they choose to pick, you can be told you aren't getting one.
That’s the plan.
You claim that, yet the vast majority of FAC and SGC applications in the UK are approved. There seems to be a particular type of person who claims the system is rigged against them, and they're normally people with criminal records or serious mental health issues.
A Firearms Dealer gave me some advice a few years ago. He said "don't poke your head above the parapet". Keep a low profile and limit your exposure; you should be good.
But this is exactly why our sport is dying
@@EnglishShooting I disagree. It was killed.
“Over a weekend with an angle grinder they’re most likely eventually going to get access” that is true, but a person could just as easily manufacture something or several things that are just as dangerous or even more so over that period of time.
Lol the average crim can just build a gun from scratch in his living room on a rainy weekend, can he?
@@renes9966 it’s mostly explosive and incendiary devices that are self made but from what I’ve seen it wouldn’t be hard for them to make guns. So yes, the average criminal can build a gun from scratch over a rainy weekend.
@@renes9966 slam fire = 2 bits of tube and a nail ...20mins with nothing but a hack saw , job done .
and there goes any chance of a license just for typing this sort of comment
It’s not a “failed conviction” using this language you will only be part of the problem and not the solution. I’m retiring and moving to Fredericksburg TX. Done with the UK
Great summary thank you.
Glad you found it useful
So basically if someone accused you of DV, but later admitted they lied which resulted in them being put under a mental health order, means that accusation, could stop you being approved?
It doesn't sound fair to me to be penalised for the actions of another person when zero evidence has been found.
Pretty much
I was asked about my social media which was expected. It is worth noting that they will investigate any leads that lead to cooperation with potential threats to the public. Having been an Airsofter can need explaining sometimes :D
Wow in America I just show my drivers license hand over cash fill out a 4473 and get a gun. I picked up 3 guns in about 10 mins.
lucky bastards you yanks 😂
Some of those things are so vague it is ridiculous.
Just think how easy it is for them to cite "aggressive behaviour" for a bit of rough talk online, for example.
Online arguments have been used in the past by police
@@EnglishShooting Yup.
So I will keep on arguing for all those silenced.
@@EnglishShooting damn im arguing all the time lol.
fantastic s always you have a fabulous outlook an your willingness to help those like me on the trail for joining the community. I'm coming to the end of my probationary period at my club have already got the all clear from my GP and GMP restarting applications . i wrote saying i was in the position applying for section 1 and standard shotgun as i wished to partake in PSG. They replied to my enquiry stating i should apply for fac shotgun rather than adopt the round about route?? so it shows they will help where possible .... as you've previously stated. you guys have a fantastic ethic and the community would be far poorer without the help n guidance you provide mate. thanks muchly "keemo sahhbeh" (lone ranger....tonto....}
Thanks Dave 🙂
Great Advise for new shooters / New licensee's
Im from the u.s, but why did your videos get me interested on 🇬🇧 shooting culture. Very interesting we have laws that are more restrictive (sbr/sbs, suppressors) just as you guys do. (full bore capacity, semi auto handguns are hard to get, and more)
It's all doom and gloom.
I like the fact they don't count a period of stability only on your past from years ago. Most people grow up that must mean something. Do you know how much the average cost of an appeal is.
You're looking at least £3000 minimum, if you lose you can double that to cover their costs.
@@EnglishShooting it should not cost that much. Its justice for the rich.
Get a good barrister and you will more than likely win
You have previously stated that you generally agree with the concept of a licensing scheme, but when I see this that exactly I approach firearms from a rights-based perspective where the state has to prove that you’ve actually done something that justifies the state preventing you from having firearms, rather than this capricious nonsense.
There has to be a line, our line is very much on the better safe than sorry side, in the US it's more on the let people have their freedom side.
The line is a commission of the crime. Not a fact of possession of the tool.
What if your next door neighbor is a shady character? Does that have any effect on whether you can own a firearm? Being that they could break into your house and into your safe.
I have heard issues with people applying who live in high crime areas. Usually this just requires enhanced security.
In other words don’t bother, they don’t want people armed because they are scared of insurrection.
You dont want to know the hassle I had with my feo..nightmare
Take them to court
Same here. Been nearly a year waiting now. Absurd. I am over it. Couldn't give a wet turd if I get one or not anymore,
Thinking of going for mine but would have to join a club to store the guns as I'm a van dweller, I'm also archery/ target shooting instructor (taster sessions)
Who determines what is an extremist group?
Amnesty International, The Society for Free Speech, or even the Catholic Church maybe?
All these organisations have been in the margins at one time or another!
Maybe the Tories are too right wing! 🇨🇦
Anything left of Jeremy Corbyn.
@@TheMoodyedge That doesn't leave an awful lot then.
My parents were very anti-gun, so there were never any openings when I was younger, then when I saw the requirements... And for a sport, I just couldn't put in that much time (the nearest range to me that I know of is an hour away). I'd be happy just to become a member of a club (if one was nearer) and if I could just shoot there without going through the hoops of FAC etc. Something for retirement now, I suppose. I could move somewhere more rural, or I could try for a Green Card... think the latter is more of a possibility tbh.
Where do you live?
I agree with the suitability that Callum is talking and what the police are going after
Good informative video there Mr CLC. You are quite right about what you are saying there, but I think a lot of it is nonsense. Most of these nanny-state restrictions need to go. It's like living in East Berlin on times. I always go back to this: If the state doesn't deem a person suitable to have an SGC (e.g 2+1 pump or semi), then neither should they hold a driving licence. Think about it. Most historic medical or criminal incidents that preclude a person from holding an SGC, should logically also stop them having a driving licence. And conversely, if they get a driving licence with that medical & criminal history, then they should also be able to get an SGC.
e.g. They have previously been suicidal so cannot get an SGC. Oh so they are still safe enough to drive a 7.5 tonne lorry down the M4 in a contraflow 🙃
They have previously been an armed bank robber so cannot get an SGC. Oh so they are still safe enough to drive a 7.5 tonne lorry past a Barclays Bank without being a getaway driver 🙃
Just a ray of sunlight: Most FAC/SGC refusals will be won in court with a good barrister, but it won't be cheap. But then again you can't really put a price on freedom, can ya?
Try being an ex Army accountant.
I read about a gentleman who had his certificate revoked after his 18 year old son did something silly with an Airsoft pistol. Worth bearing in mind.
Comments keep getting deleted. What a time to be alive.
I noticed that. By whom?
@@ericchambers7361 No clue. Ive posted a few times and it goes bye byes. Nothing offensive, so swearing, no political stuff. Welcome to the communist china of the west.
@@ericchambers7361who do you think lol
Hi the ES . What are waiting times looking like ? Cheers
This is the best info I have czcams.com/video/guGk49ILXKk/video.html&ab_channel=EnglishShooting
Hi I would like a shotgun of my own I do shoot at a club and borrow my friends shot gun .how do I go about applying for a sgc? .do I need a doctor to sigh off as well how do I go about that ? .look 4ward to your reply mate . Gun I'm after is a Winchester sxp pump what's your thoughts on that bud :) ?
I had my shot gun certificate revoked back in 2021 after I refused to surrender it voluntarily in response to a false allegation of common assault that was made against me. The firearms licencing department stated that they had sent me a recorded delivery letter informing me of my right to appeal but I never received it and they refused to investigate why the Post Office had said it had been delivered.
With the revocation on my record do you think I would stand a chance of being granted a new shot gun certificate? Since the revocation I have been sworn in as a Justice of the Peace. Would this make any difference?
I'm sure if you explain that situation in detail to the firearms department you'd most likely be fine, if not you could write to the Home Office and wait ages.
It's highly unlikely that Royal Mail didn't really deliver a recorded delivery letter. I used to work in a sector that used recorded delivery all of the time in court to prove documents were served. You will have an uphill struggle convincing a court that you weren't served those appeal documents if Royal Mail's system shows they were delivered, and it's not the police's job to investigate, unfortunately.
" A Privilege"... And that is the difference between being a subject and a citizen...
No one I the UK is a 'subject'. That's just antiquated Yank twaddle.
It truly was a sad day in 1920 when it went from a Right to a Privilege in Great Britain after being a protected constitutional Right since 1689 !!
Its EVERYONE'S Right to protect one's self and one's family with what ever means necessary !!
If anyone can help would be much appreciated. Now I have always been interested in shooting since a young age and have my application ready to send in however, I need a referee. Being 17 most if not all of my friends I have known for more than 2 years are either 17 or younger. Do I need to have a referee who's over 18 or does it not matter?
I know this comment was over a year ago, but thought I'd answer in case anyone sees this and has the same query.
Your reference doesn't have to be a friend. It just has to be someone you've know over two years, who the chief constable would see to be someone of good standing.
Could be friends of your parents, parents of friends, school teachers etc. I used my neighbours who I lived next to for a couple of years.
@@CA-gy4qf Cheers mate, yeah I am 18 now anyway. I just applied my Dad for one so we can use his shotgun because I only go shooting with him anyway. Got our license a few months back
Makes you wonder what the point of shooting is, anymore. But thanks, you've given me some more evidence to help my appeal.
Hope you reply to my FB messages
What about people who had mental health issues that have been medically managed and are now doing good in the eyes of the doctor? Can you apply for a FAC while taking antidepressants? BASC seem to promote this as well-being which I think is great. Many Thanks.
You can hold an FAC whilst on antidepressants but it will be taken on a case by case basis, usually it's down to the doctor, if the doctor signs off then you're usually golden.
Hi Gavin
Depression etc. that was triggered by an event such as a bereavement is treated differently to lifelong depression or bipolar.
I suffered depression following a trajic incident involving my brother... but that sort of depression is entirely expected and is not a bar to a licence. Likewise a licenced friend of mine lost his mum and suffered depression and had his licence pulled but it was returned in full upon reapplication within 12 months.
It's all case by case, so don't let a historic bout of depression stop you from applying. 👍
I am medicated for anxiety and hold FAC & SGC. I wrote a very detailed cover letter and made sure to built a good rapport with my FEO.
@@MKChase-uj9vx That's right. It's all case by case and different triggers are looked at differently. However, if you went off the rails ten years ago over something that could happen again, then even if you're back on track, they can raise that as a concern as if is possible the same could happen again. I guess that's why it's all case by case and also takes into consideration what your doctor says about your state.
Its a mine field, i was given a drug to help with pain that was also used as an anti depressant. So which would plod of gone for as they are not medical experts, the Dr did explain when i asked him the drug would be having the same effect on me as if i was depressed, because being in pain probably made me depressed making the pain worse? ... not a clue!
Can a disabled person be permitted to use and own a firearm for self defence
Are they require you to give full access to your social media like FB and so on? CZcams history maybe? What about internet history? I was expressing right wing political views over the yeras in there.
I agree totally with it. The last thing we need is the guns we have getting into the wrong hands or someone getting a license who really shouldnt.
How do you intend to deal with the UNSUITABLE criminals who own illegal guns ? ..Oh wait you cant deal with them .Only decent people suffer moronic gun laws
Guns getting into the wrong hands?, try keeping up!. There a more illegal firearms out there than legal & i have been told if you have the money all guns are available. The problem is very rarely legally licensed firearms but all the ones in criminals hands & plod & the laws cant control them.
What about a visa holder. I'm from Australia and hold a Australian firearms licence.
You should be able to apply as long as you have known 2 people in the UK for longer than 2 years who can be your references
No such thing as an Australian firearms licence. Gun laws in Australia are state based not federal.
@@ckg1776 Yes, sorry. Victoria firearms licence. But I can shoot anywhere in the as long as I adhere to the states regulations. Thanks for the answer.
@@samshep70 WA is the only place that does not recognise interstate licences. 👌🏻
Nanny state.
Why yes I am suitable, I'm an American.
Haha doesn’t help you here in England 🏴 buddy
@@clemfandango7175 It sure did in 1776. We are no longer servants of a crown, are you?
@@lhurst9550 Instead you serve sleepy Joe Biden the kid toucher. Who’s Oval Office was once engulfed in flames.
@@silliussodus9364 why no I do not serve him or any demwit.
@@lhurst9550 God save our gracious queen....
Suitable ? It used to be a right . Weird how times change
If your a squeaky clean geek you’ll have no problems.
Or a bent MP that has ties with a super in the met
Looks too me like they look for any excuse too say No sod off
I'm crazy as a box of frogs so ruels me out
This type of information should be part of the research when starting the process, not for social media discussions as almost every use case & need is reliant of many other factors, maybe we should be promoting the positive side of the ownership....Not speculate.
Glad I knew nothing of the depth of checks they made, even though none of the above relates to me, I'd have had some sleepless nights waiting for my ticket. Just goes to show how much of a privilege owning firearms is. And how relatively safe our gun control laws are here in the UK.
It's why the process can take so long, they look at every aspect of your life.
Our strict gun control/civilian disarmament laws means that criminals are safer from the law-abiding, than vice versa.
It's because of people like you that we're in such a mess here in the UK!!!
Thats why 3d printed guns are on the rise. It shouldnt be a priviledge it should be a right.
@@henrynorth6558 now even crossbows are on the plate to get banned and all those petitions and campaining to do so are started by women. You give them votes and decission making and we ending up in a mess.
I do not feel it is over the top
That does not surprise me 😅
@@ericchambers7361 But is there a viable alternative that would really reduce the risk of future UK mass shootings to significantly less than 1 every 10 years or so?
@@derekp2674 Did these laws stop the 2017 manchester attack? More died there than in hungerford.
Any one who has previous, really should not be allowed to handle any kind of firearm. Squeaky clean is the only way today.
It takes a certain type of man to request permission to own a gun, having just left the Army after 11 years and having shot for years before joining I will not be subjecting myself to judgement by the current podophile protection service dealing with FAC. Being an ex Soldier is seen as "potential" it does not rule you out but it is a big fuck you very much for your service pleb.
@tacfoley I don't think the Romans had the issue either. The guys leaving as I joined had far less of it than those leaving after me too. 67... Notice I said current.
@tacfoley 33 Years and you still think your Army career was the same as mine? To put this any simpler I would risk my CZcams account but it is common sense to expect issues when people return to see the same people they just left in Afghanistan claiming benefits here... Now depending what they did and how that went is how they might react... You are flogging a dead horse matey this is CZcams...
In America we don’t yet have any bullshit like that.
Uve failed to mention one's possible mental illness issues....surely this will also b under scrutiny?