Man I was pretty upset grouping my m1a tanker. The groups are hideous . Awesome video and maybe someday I can have my break and barrel worked on! Amazing video again!
Thank you for showcasing the biggest issue with this rifle. I bought mine second hand and it was not shimmed/adjusted properly. I didn't know that you needed to do that for it to function properly and couldn't figure out what was wrong with the poor thing, but now I know everything about the rifle. That being said, I am getting some shims, but to fix the issue you fixed by removing material, wouldn't it be ok to make a precise washer to fill that gap, rather than trim everything?
When the rifle was designed it had a wood stock that was intended for combat. The barrel tension coming out of the factory is to allow the stock to expand under certain conditions.
I must’ve got lucky cause my m1a scout is a lazer. Hitting at 500 yards iron sights baby. Only attachment I have is a sling. It did however take twenty rounds to break in before it started ejecting the round properly
I’m working on mine, have an adjustable gas plug and threaded adapter for asr brake. I need to remove material just like you did, when it’s not all the way right everything is concentric. Once it’s tight it will strike the end cap.
Mr. Baumann, I would like advice on this (m1a socom) rifle. I have one on layaway and many folks are saying it was a bad idea. But I have had a very good experience with the standard model up to 300 yds and that was without any adjustments, aftermarket parts, or optics. Would you share your knowledge with me so I can achieve the same thing you have?
I'm planning on getting a socom 16 I love the old style rifles compared to the new age stuff but my question is. Is all this possible while keeping it in a traditional wood stock? If so you my man have me set on my choice. The only thing that was really keeping me at Bay was the moa grouping of the rifle.
I want to buy a M1a very badly but I have just heard horror stories about them being not nearly as accurate as they were rumored to be, I am no gunsmith , I am a novice at best, I can not afford to spend the money on a M1A only to have to sink more money into it to make it accurate, so disappointing what Springfield has let happen to this rifle.
Hey John,I have a M1A SOCOM 16 CQB That I bought second hand. I mounted a Vortex Red Dot on it and took it to the range to sight in. At 25 yrd the grouping was tight but at 100 yrd it looked like a buckshot pattern. Needless to say I was disappointed! I was shooting IMI ammo. I have looked at M1A blogs and CZcams videos looking for advice on what kind of ammo these rifles like. Then I ran across you video and realized it's probably the gun itself. I am interested in having this fixed. I love The rifle and the way it shoots but without any decent accuracy it's pretty much worthless. I would like to talk to you about it.
Hey John, got an m1a socom my break looks different than the one in the video but I shoot groups just a little better than an ak at 100 yards. I though it was me or the scope. 3 scopes later I can't get a group smaller than 6 inches at 100 yrds.
Well shit! Mine just got sent back and is brand new. At 25 yards I couldn’t even get a zero using a scope. Damn inconsistent shots driving me in circles and after 100+ rounds I gave up. I’m going to have to find a local gun smith to bring this to or something. What are you using to remove material? Are you a machinist?
Most gun smith's don't understand the Socom 16. I have done a bakers dozen for others and I do the same thing every time and they will shoot sub moa with a good trigger man behind it.
@@Jajroofing24 sounds good man. I’m a uspsa shooter and know what I’m doing but this thing drove me nuts. It’s at Springfield now so I will see what happens and then go from there. Are you an FFL? The issue may be not being able to even send you a gun if you aren’t an FFL.
@@Jajroofing24 I am sure you figured this issue out. When I pull the comp and gas block I can tighten it by hand back further than it aligns. This means I have to back it off to align and certainly there must be a gap as you mentioned. I should mention I didn’t try 168 grain because they are hard to find right now. But 147 grains in 2 different brands I did try. At 25 freaking yards I can’t get a 4 inch group so I know it has to be the gun. If this socom shot 2-3 inches at 100 with a variety of ammo I would be happy.
Glad you fixed your issue. I don't have the equipment to do the same. Angry with _Bring Enough Cash_ Springfield. Anyone want to buy a lightly used Socom 16 ???
John, I have a socom 16 as well, not looking to install a scope, but would sure like to tighten up my groups. What is the cost to do this, and turn around time? Thanks in advance..Clint
@@Jajroofing24 Not M1A, M1A SOCOM 16. I was told per the factory 168 max on my M1A loaded. 150 max on my M1A SOCOM 16. Not to avoid catastrophic failure but to prolong the life of the rifles. Take it for what its worth or check with Springfield.
You are all scaring the heck out of me, i paid 2 grands for a brand new one off gunbrokers, and i have not shot the blaming thing yet. so you all say if i cannot get a good grouping at 25 yards, i should send it to Springfield for adjustment of the gas tube ?? i am afraid to take down that gas tube and i wont be able to put it back together. i heard it requires special tools and all the youtube videos i watched advised against fiddling with the gas tube
Too bad you just didn’t do it right and shim the gas block like the rest of us! Everyone knows Springfield armory doesn’t know what a spec is. That’s why I don’t buy Springfield, buy BULA or LRB. I guess it just depends where you want to start. How’d your crown job turn out?
Swimming the gas block is for timing the brake, not what the problem was the muzzle and brake did not mate end result was a very small turbulent chamber affecting accuracy. This is a 1/2 moa gun at all distances up to 500 yards, my ranges max distance. The crown turned out to be a hugely beneficial item.
@@Jajroofing24 I just picked up BULA Defence DMR M-21 and I’m very happy with the way it shoots. Broke the barrel in on Saturday and using Federal 168 gr Tac was getting 1/2” inches at 100 yards benched. Ran it out to 300 and was spot on. Do you run yours scoped or irons? The BULA I’m running has a 19 1/4” barrel on it and I’m thinking that it might just outshoot my LRB with a 22” on it. Did you replace your op rod guide by chance? Those Sadlak op rods are worth their weight in gold and really settle the op rod down. Was wondering how your crown job turned out! Does Springy use a chrome lined barrel on the Socom? I wasn’t sure and that’s why I asked. My brother has a Socom and he loves it, kinda why I bought the 19 1/2”er. Mine comes with an integrated Pic rail bridging the receiver and I’m trying one of the Arken Optics Killbox 1X8-34 on it, so far so good for a Chinese wannabe. Going to go to McMillan stocks on Monday and see about a fiberglass stock for it, not necessary but what the hell. My wood stock is showing a bit of light under the heel and I’d rather bed a fiberglass stock than cut the wood up on the walnut stock just to bed it.
Shims will help the timing of the break, but you will never get the muzzle and the brake to make contact. Delta P has a direct thread adapter now that eliminates the machine work but they are about $260
Awesome work. I concur on these changes. I too had to work on a loaded M1A to make it more consistent.
Man I was pretty upset grouping my m1a tanker. The groups are hideous . Awesome video and maybe someday I can have my break and barrel worked on! Amazing video again!
Wow. That fit is flawless.
That is Awesome you knew how to do this, I salute you… Great job 👏
Good video. Thank you. Nice work on your weapon.
Great video absolutely great! Thank you
Thank you for showcasing the biggest issue with this rifle. I bought mine second hand and it was not shimmed/adjusted properly. I didn't know that you needed to do that for it to function properly and couldn't figure out what was wrong with the poor thing, but now I know everything about the rifle. That being said, I am getting some shims, but to fix the issue you fixed by removing material, wouldn't it be ok to make a precise washer to fill that gap, rather than trim everything?
Thank you so much! Very informative!
You did a hell of a job
Good job sir! Really nice work
Good stuff. Gas valve lockup is crucial for every M1a/M14
So Springfield Armory sells a rifle for $1800.00 that has to be repaired by the purchaser before it shoots properly.
Depends what your expectations are. I wanted sub moa at 500
Pretty much
@@Jajroofing24 the accuracy before was very sad..... I love the M1A however another story of many.
Few things are more satisfying than 'tuning' your own rifle. Nice work
When the rifle was designed it had a wood stock that was intended for combat. The barrel tension coming out of the factory is to allow the stock to expand under certain conditions.
I must’ve got lucky cause my m1a scout is a lazer. Hitting at 500 yards iron sights baby. Only attachment I have is a sling. It did however take twenty rounds to break in before it started ejecting the round properly
Very impressive.
I’m working on mine, have an adjustable gas plug and threaded adapter for asr brake. I need to remove material just like you did, when it’s not all the way right everything is concentric. Once it’s tight it will strike the end cap.
Mr. Baumann,
I would like advice on this (m1a socom) rifle. I have one on layaway and many folks are saying it was a bad idea. But I have had a very good experience with the standard model up to 300 yds and that was without any adjustments, aftermarket parts, or optics.
Would you share your knowledge with me so I can achieve the same thing you have?
Wow that's crap. I'm not doing this. But it's cool that you did it! Good job,
I'm planning on getting a socom 16 I love the old style rifles compared to the new age stuff but my question is. Is all this possible while keeping it in a traditional wood stock? If so you my man have me set on my choice. The only thing that was really keeping me at Bay was the moa grouping of the rifle.
With a good wood stock absolutely. Sign up
John, that's nice work and thanks for posting the video. How did you figure out the problem with the gas block?
I had an armorer buddy of mine that is a socom genius guide me
What distance were you shooting at?
How did it perform (factory) at 300yds and closer?
I want to buy a M1a very badly but I have just heard horror stories about them being not nearly as accurate as they were rumored to be, I am no gunsmith , I am a novice at best, I can not afford to spend the money on a M1A only to have to sink more money into it to make it accurate, so disappointing what Springfield has let happen to this rifle.
I’d check out Bula defenses offerings if I were you. Similarly priced but all of their parts are milspec.
Hey John,I have a M1A SOCOM 16 CQB That I bought second hand. I mounted a Vortex Red Dot on it and took it to the range to sight in. At 25 yrd the grouping was tight but at 100 yrd it looked like a buckshot pattern. Needless to say I was disappointed! I was shooting IMI ammo. I have looked at M1A blogs and CZcams videos looking for advice on what kind of ammo these rifles like. Then I ran across you video and realized it's probably the gun itself. I am interested in having this fixed. I love The rifle and the way it shoots but without any decent accuracy it's pretty much worthless. I would like to talk to you about it.
Johnbaumann2488@gmail.com shoot me your info
@@Jajroofing24 kcohn62@gmail.com
@@Jajroofing24 can you email me so I can get info on having this done to my SOCOM 16. jadkinsaz@gmail.com
To figure out how much to take off the gas port and the Piston did you just make the first part before and after you timed it?
That explains a lot. Do you offer a service on accuracy improvement on barrel and piston fitting? I don’t mind to pay to a master.
Johnbaumann2488@gmail.com
@@Jajroofing24 sorry for the late reply. It has been crazy 2021. I will contact you shortly.
I hope when I get mine I can fix this problem If I have it
Impressive
Thank you for the great info. I got my socom down to about 1.5 moa with ball ammo. Have yet to try quality handloads.
Hey John, got an m1a socom my break looks different than the one in the video but I shoot groups just a little better than an ak at 100 yards. I though it was me or the scope. 3 scopes later I can't get a group smaller than 6 inches at 100 yrds.
There is a lot going on, but it is fixable
SEI addresses this in a few ways additionally with a unitized gas system......
That is the Sei setup with a unitized gas cylinder
Well Done John. What is the turn around time for something like this. (I live in New England area ) Thanks !
Turn around time is typically 14 days
I really want to do this but not screw up my rifle
Sir, are you still doing this repair on the Socom?
I'm curious, could you do that to the Scout Squad model?
Jessi Taylor not a problem, it’s a different setup but we can get it shooting better groups
@@Jajroofing24 I was looking at some parts from Smith Enterprises, I've been thinking about changing out the front sight post and muzzle break.
Very impressive, I have some questions about my SA Scout, which I would like your opinion on. Thanks, James
Do you work on these I’d like to get mine set off . Those are some damn good groups for socom
Shoot me an email at johnbaumann2488@gmail.com with contact info
Hey John!!! I sent you an email, I need to get this done on my rifle. My email is frizank55@msn.com I sent it on Easter Sunday to your gmail
@@Jajroofing24 Is there another way to contact you?? Phone maybe??
@@mrfrizank 912-484-6818
Are you still performing these mods for M1A owners?
Yes
Well shit! Mine just got sent back and is brand new. At 25 yards I couldn’t even get a zero using a scope. Damn inconsistent shots driving me in circles and after 100+ rounds I gave up. I’m going to have to find a local gun smith to bring this to or something.
What are you using to remove material? Are you a machinist?
Most gun smith's don't understand the Socom 16. I have done a bakers dozen for others and I do the same thing every time and they will shoot sub moa with a good trigger man behind it.
@@Jajroofing24 sounds good man. I’m a uspsa shooter and know what I’m doing but this thing drove me nuts. It’s at Springfield now so I will see what happens and then go from there.
Are you an FFL? The issue may be not being able to even send you a gun if you aren’t an FFL.
@@Jajroofing24 I am sure you figured this issue out. When I pull the comp and gas block I can tighten it by hand back further than it aligns. This means I have to back it off to align and certainly there must be a gap as you mentioned.
I should mention I didn’t try 168 grain because they are hard to find right now. But 147 grains in 2 different brands I did try. At 25 freaking yards I can’t get a 4 inch group so I know it has to be the gun. If this socom shot 2-3 inches at 100 with a variety of ammo I would be happy.
@@whitey4311 wait until you get it back they are designed to be minute of man. I have all incoming guns sent to my gun club they are an FFL.
@@Jajroofing24 thanks man. Hope SA fixes it like you did but I doubt it.
I might need this done to mine? What state are you in?
I am in Atlanta Ga, where are you located?
Glad you fixed your issue. I don't have the equipment to do the same. Angry with _Bring Enough Cash_ Springfield. Anyone want to buy a lightly used Socom 16 ???
How much
Do all socom 16s need this procedure? Mine seems pretty decent now I'm wondering.
All no but most need conditioning
John, I have a socom 16 as well, not looking to install a scope, but would sure like to tighten up my groups. What is the cost to do this, and turn around time? Thanks in advance..Clint
Shoot me an email at johnbaumann2488@gmail.com
Clint Wilhelm
With your contact info and I will give you a call
Hey Clint did you ever send your information
how much does it cost to fix something like this?
Johnbaumann2488@gmail.com
They sell a shim kit for this
Shims are not a solution
At what yardage were those groups shot ??
100 yards
Just got this rifle, will you do this to mine rifle
Shoot me an email
@@Jajroofing24 forgive me but island how lol
i have a socom 16 and a scout squad i would like to know if i could get your info to send both to you for the work you done to yours.
Johnbaumann2488@gmail.com
Is there anywhere/anybody I can send mine to have this done? I don’t have access or the knowledge to do this myself
bo jangles I do them
@@Jajroofing24 Can you send me info on how to send mine to have this done?
@@saywhen23 give me a call 912-484-6818
On the SOCOM 16 you shouldn’t be shooting 168s. Per the factory nothing over 150s was what they told me.
The ammunition used to test fire the m1a is FGMM 168gr. The M1A is not restricted to 150gr bullets and under.
@@Jajroofing24 Not M1A, M1A SOCOM 16. I was told per the factory 168 max on my M1A loaded. 150 max on my M1A SOCOM 16. Not to avoid catastrophic failure but to prolong the life of the rifles. Take it for what its worth or check with Springfield.
You are all scaring the heck out of me, i paid 2 grands for a brand new one off gunbrokers, and i have not shot the blaming thing yet. so you all say if i cannot get a good grouping at 25 yards, i should send it to Springfield for adjustment of the gas tube ?? i am afraid to take down that gas tube and i wont be able to put it back together. i heard it requires special tools and all the youtube videos i watched advised against fiddling with the gas tube
Shoot it first with good ammo.
How many yards were you shooting?
That's 100yds it shoots sub(1/2)moa groups at 500
Too bad you just didn’t do it right and shim the gas block like the rest of us! Everyone knows Springfield armory doesn’t know what a spec is. That’s why I don’t buy Springfield, buy BULA or LRB. I guess it just depends where you want to start. How’d your crown job turn out?
Swimming the gas block is for timing the brake, not what the problem was the muzzle and brake did not mate end result was a very small turbulent chamber affecting accuracy. This is a 1/2 moa gun at all distances up to 500 yards, my ranges max distance. The crown turned out to be a hugely beneficial item.
@@Jajroofing24 I just picked up BULA Defence DMR M-21 and I’m very happy with the way it shoots. Broke the barrel in on Saturday and using Federal 168 gr Tac was getting 1/2” inches at 100 yards benched. Ran it out to 300 and was spot on. Do you run yours scoped or irons? The BULA I’m running has a 19 1/4” barrel on it and I’m thinking that it might just outshoot my LRB with a 22” on it. Did you replace your op rod guide by chance? Those Sadlak op rods are worth their weight in gold and really settle the op rod down. Was wondering how your crown job turned out! Does Springy use a chrome lined barrel on the Socom? I wasn’t sure and that’s why I asked. My brother has a Socom and he loves it, kinda why I bought the 19 1/2”er. Mine comes with an integrated Pic rail bridging the receiver and I’m trying one of the Arken Optics Killbox 1X8-34 on it, so far so good for a Chinese wannabe. Going to go to McMillan stocks on Monday and see about a fiberglass stock for it, not necessary but what the hell. My wood stock is showing a bit of light under the heel and I’d rather bed a fiberglass stock than cut the wood up on the walnut stock just to bed it.
Would adding shims work?
Shimming is typically for a loose front band, stock clearance and setting the dwell. There is a lot going on here
That’s what I feared and figured at the same time. Thanks for the great video! I’m going to show my local gunsmith.
John, did you show your findings to the company? I know this has been a common complaint.
It's a service rifle designed for minute of man, and that is within their spec. Pointless
Where could I get this done?
Johnbaumann2488@gmail.com
The real question is, is it legal in California?
You would need to modify the factory gas lock, I believe not a CA resident
Do you have a website?
Not at the moment
Sir, do you still do these repairs?
M1as are dookie for no reason. Garands shoot better than this
Could u have just install shims to to get proper fit instead of machining off material?
Shims will help the timing of the break, but you will never get the muzzle and the brake to make contact. Delta P has a direct thread adapter now that eliminates the machine work but they are about $260