This report is why I jumped on my NA engine w/manual trasmission, ahead of all the backlog of buyers awaiting one of the last few allocations for '24. As a Porsche enthusiast, my inner child is highly concerned.
As a PERFORMANCE enthusiast, my inner child will not be so distraught over the addition of electric power, when it makes the performance even more epic. People are just so hung up on the sound of a combustion engine, but I don't care if it ends up sounding like a Dyson vacuum cleaner. I actually like my cars QUIET and stealthy. Loud exhausts ANNOY me. While I don't have any love for pure electrics, hybrid tech can only make the 911 more insane to drive. I can't hate that. I can hate the fact that they're going to be out of my reach for a little while yet.
Have you seen the new 400V active suspension on the Panamera? I'm wondering if the 992.2 hybrids will have enough system power to drive those things. If they make a 2200kg Panamera feel much lighter and agile according to some early opinions, those suspensions could do wonders to offset the 992's weight problem (it's not that light as it is now, without hybrid tech, let's be fair). I think they are both elctrohydarulical and magnetorelological, and they also replace sway bars (as seen on Ferrari Purosangue or Mclarens since the MP4-12C, but they run at 400V instead of 48V so they actually seem to be able to replace sway bars, and fully independent wheels means also more comfort without any sacrifice)
As well-produced as this segment is, and as interested in the subject as I am, I found this video very hard to follow; too-fast/choppy narration & jump-cuts.
@@DuckWhale Thank you for considering the feedback. Just give us a moment or two to take in the info and process it before moving in to the next piece of info.
Judging by the trend from Cayenne and Macan, the 992.2 carerra S will have comparable or slightly better performance over the 992.1 GTS, then the 992.2 GTS will rely on hybrid technology to outshine the S. It sounds like there will be options for everyone.
I hope they offer NA and manual outside of just the GT cars. There is a lot of demand for that, especially with the 718 soon going full EV. 4.0 mild hybrid would be ideal
Reported up to 2028 - If the 992.2 launch as a 2025 name plate and runs for 3 years, then things will change for 994. More here czcams.com/video/BV8Pk0Ml4G0/video.htmlsi=6IGKmjXg5DpJidk6
Porsche want's to make more profits, I don't think it will make sense to juggle another engine configuration in the assortment. The test mules have shown the hybrid system in conjunction with potentially a single turbo motor (a muffler could only be seen on one side of the car in spy shots). I think if they do downsize the engine to the 2.7L like you said, that the 3.0L may go away entirely. And what remains to be seen is if the hybrids will allow for a manual transmission. The PDK documents from 992.1 launch stated that it can accommodate the electric motor - not true for the manual.
I'm confused by this video... my 992.1 is expected in early March 24 .. should I cancel and wait another 2 years until I get my allocation for 992.2 ? Is Carrera S going to have a hybrid option? What's going on
I predict that ALL 992.2 911’s except the base Carrera and the GT models will be mild hybrid. The system will weigh under 100lbs, and will be mainly for emissions (ie moving the car from standstill). I predict the GT cars will keep the NA engine alive, but manual may be a casualty and the 911 S/T may be the last Swan Song to the NA + manual Porsche. I don’t want any of this, my inner child (a hardcore Porsche enthusiast) is beyond sad
@@7ludi why would they develop a brand new 4.0L to only use it in 2 limited run 718 models? makes no sense. I think it will appear in 911 at some point
@@7ludi they already ended GT4 production and GTS 4.0 has only a few years left before going EV. Seems like an awfully short lifespan for a brand new engine
These cars, even the base models, will be difficult to obtain. These dealers will continue their antics to keep these cars out of the hands of people who Porsche claims they want to drive them. I’m holding on to my 22 GTS. It’s non aspired engine will be golden in the era of hybrids
Pleased i have a 992.1 GTS and an order for a 992.2 GTS. Will be interesting to see what actual changes are made. From spy shots of the front end of the 992.2 I'm already leaning towards keeping my .1
@@michailgeroulis8890 I have another 992.1 order on the system which will be transferred the moment the 992.2 is released. That's supposed to put me first in line but we will see. Nothings guaranteed with Porsche dealers.
@davidowen2859 A couple of months ago I went for an allocation for a 992 GTS and they told me that it will most likely be a 992.2. A couple of weeks ago my dealer called me that he has an allocation for April 2024 build which is the last month the 992.1 will be produced. He told me that the 992.2 will start production in June 2024, it will loose the analog tachometer and the ignition switch, it will be hybrid and PDK only. Because I wanted a manual, I went ahead with the 992.1
I’m hearing the 718 4.0L will be an option, the only hang up is whether or not the 911 snobs come to their senses when they’re essentially paying $100k for the 992 interior over the 991 interior in the 718’s. The only other benefit to buying a 911 4.0 over a 718 would be to get awd. I forecast only Turbos to be good buys in the .2’s. Obviously the 2RS as well, but that’ll be $1Mill minimum after your dealer shakedown.
I predict a mildhybrid system to the standard and the S models with the standard engines more or less untouched. This economical as well as ecological reasons and regulations. A system like this will probably add 15-30hp.The GTS will maybe have a full hybrid system with a significant boost, maybe like in a Ferrari 296gtb wich will contribute around 100hp when needed. The cars will be heavier. The na engines will be reserved for their special models from the GT series and offered to purist and enthusiasts as part of their brand heritage. Like the Rolex of cars.
Agreed I wouldn‘t want one for this reasons. But I still think they will do it to meet environmental regulations and avoid painful taxes in the different markets. See BMW. But it is a guess. We will see soon.
Agreed I wouldn‘t want one for this reasons. But I still think they will do it to meet environmental regulations and avoid painful taxes in the different markets. See BMW. But it is a guess. We will see soon.
Agreed I wouldn‘t want one for this reasons. But I still think they will do it to meet environmental regulations and avoid painful taxes in the different markets. See BMW. But it is a guess. We will see soon.
Agreed I wouldn‘t want one for this reasons. But I still think they will do it to meet environmental regulations and avoid painful taxes in the different markets. See BMW. But it is a guess. We will see soon.
Regardless of what happens, I'm just happy I recently picked up my 992.1 GTS. It seems that the trends in this industry cannot be stopped much to my disappointment
Some C-level guy from Porsche told that 911 became too big and he would like it to be small (+lighter). So far 911 became fat GT - not 911 of good old days.
Man, those new vertical slats are so hideous. I'm shocked someone in their design department looked at that and thought: "Yea, this is fine!" Will be hands down the ugliest Porsche built in the last 15 - 20 years. So Porsche is getting uglier, and heavier eh? Losing a fan and repeat customer. Sorry Porsche, you're going in the wrong direction.
Hybrid is not what makes Porsche Porsche. Expect rejection from the majority or Porsche fans. What we need is a new engine technology from the ground up. Think a hydrogen combustion engine.
Man the hybrid turbo s is going to be a MONSTER 💀
Monster yup! It already is but yea would love to see a hybrid beast!
This report is why I jumped on my NA engine w/manual trasmission, ahead of all the backlog of buyers awaiting one of the last few allocations for '24. As a Porsche enthusiast, my inner child is highly concerned.
As a PERFORMANCE enthusiast, my inner child will not be so distraught over the addition of electric power, when it makes the performance even more epic. People are just so hung up on the sound of a combustion engine, but I don't care if it ends up sounding like a Dyson vacuum cleaner. I actually like my cars QUIET and stealthy. Loud exhausts ANNOY me. While I don't have any love for pure electrics, hybrid tech can only make the 911 more insane to drive. I can't hate that. I can hate the fact that they're going to be out of my reach for a little while yet.
@@Turboy65Performance never lasts. It’s like fancying the performance of every new iPhone. Yeah the next one will be faster - can’t wait 🥱
I am glad next week I am picking up my non mhev 992 GTS.
Congratulations! Sounds like an exceptional week.
Have you seen the new 400V active suspension on the Panamera? I'm wondering if the 992.2 hybrids will have enough system power to drive those things. If they make a 2200kg Panamera feel much lighter and agile according to some early opinions, those suspensions could do wonders to offset the 992's weight problem (it's not that light as it is now, without hybrid tech, let's be fair). I think they are both elctrohydarulical and magnetorelological, and they also replace sway bars (as seen on Ferrari Purosangue or Mclarens since the MP4-12C, but they run at 400V instead of 48V so they actually seem to be able to replace sway bars, and fully independent wheels means also more comfort without any sacrifice)
Bro I was going to order a 992.1 turbo s the next month, I hope I’ll make it in time :(
As well-produced as this segment is, and as interested in the subject as I am, I found this video very hard to follow; too-fast/choppy narration & jump-cuts.
Thanks for your feedback - I'll try and stay off the coffee!
@@DuckWhale Thank you for considering the feedback. Just give us a moment or two to take in the info and process it before moving in to the next piece of info.
Agreed
If you mention every conceivable option, then you can’t be wrong I guess
Leave porsche alone and leave the batteries for the leaf blowers.
Hoping for a 4.0 N/A hybrid
don't get your hopes up too much
Judging by the trend from Cayenne and Macan, the 992.2 carerra S will have comparable or slightly better performance over the 992.1 GTS, then the 992.2 GTS will rely on hybrid technology to outshine the S. It sounds like there will be options for everyone.
I hope they offer NA and manual outside of just the GT cars. There is a lot of demand for that, especially with the 718 soon going full EV. 4.0 mild hybrid would be ideal
That's not happening unfortunately
hoping for a light weight, small, manual, n/a high revving flat six, but i'm going to be disapointed, it seems... :(
I’m curious how long Porsche will keep NA engine for gt3
Reported up to 2028 - If the 992.2 launch as a 2025 name plate and runs for 3 years, then things will change for 994. More here czcams.com/video/BV8Pk0Ml4G0/video.htmlsi=6IGKmjXg5DpJidk6
oh thanks for that
There are also rumors of a safari option being available on all versions of the 992.2.
I heard this as well!
Porsche want's to make more profits, I don't think it will make sense to juggle another engine configuration in the assortment. The test mules have shown the hybrid system in conjunction with potentially a single turbo motor (a muffler could only be seen on one side of the car in spy shots). I think if they do downsize the engine to the 2.7L like you said, that the 3.0L may go away entirely. And what remains to be seen is if the hybrids will allow for a manual transmission. The PDK documents from 992.1 launch stated that it can accommodate the electric motor - not true for the manual.
992 is post peak Porsche.
I'm confused by this video... my 992.1 is expected in early March 24 .. should I cancel and wait another 2 years until I get my allocation for 992.2 ? Is Carrera S going to have a hybrid option? What's going on
he doesn't know ....he invent
In my country if that technology can avoid the 66000$ co2 tax they may have a chance to sell it even with a reasonable price increase.
Where is this?
France 60.000 € + VAT 20% + 2000 $ for car license.
@@alb3096 wow that’s steep!
just make more gt3's for more people to share
Always thought it was smart how they staggered chassis updates and motor updates -- it's smart so they are never releasing a 100% untested car.
So reveal of 992.2 is January, or cars actually going for sale?
I predict that ALL 992.2 911’s except the base Carrera and the GT models will be mild hybrid. The system will weigh under 100lbs, and will be mainly for emissions (ie moving the car from standstill). I predict the GT cars will keep the NA engine alive, but manual may be a casualty and the 911 S/T may be the last Swan Song to the NA + manual Porsche. I don’t want any of this, my inner child (a hardcore Porsche enthusiast) is beyond sad
There hasn’t been any testing mule spotted with the current 3.0T engine. My guess is, all 922.2 models r hybrid except the GT3.
I don’t think the base Carrera will be hybrid, but otherwise, (sadly) correct
There are testing mules with the 3.0 "base" engine
What about the 992.2 having the 4.0l engine from the cayman and boxster!!
I talk through some options at 2:20 👊
not happening
@@7ludi why would they develop a brand new 4.0L to only use it in 2 limited run 718 models? makes no sense. I think it will appear in 911 at some point
@@pan4632 neither the GT4 and the GTS 4.0 are limited model those will be the only applications for that engine it won't come to the 911
@@7ludi they already ended GT4 production and GTS 4.0 has only a few years left before going EV. Seems like an awfully short lifespan for a brand new engine
These cars, even the base models, will be difficult to obtain. These dealers will continue their antics to keep these cars out of the hands of people who Porsche claims they want to drive them. I’m holding on to my 22 GTS. It’s non aspired engine will be golden in the era of hybrids
Man I love your content!
Thank you!
Pleased i have a 992.1 GTS and an order for a 992.2 GTS. Will be interesting to see what actual changes are made. From spy shots of the front end of the 992.2 I'm already leaning towards keeping my .1
How can you order a 992.2 when it is not released. You can't spec it to get a code for order, unless you just went for an allocation
@@michailgeroulis8890 I have another 992.1 order on the system which will be transferred the moment the 992.2 is released. That's supposed to put me first in line but we will see. Nothings guaranteed with Porsche dealers.
@davidowen2859 A couple of months ago I went for an allocation for a 992 GTS and they told me that it will most likely be a 992.2. A couple of weeks ago my dealer called me that he has an allocation for April 2024 build which is the last month the 992.1 will be produced. He told me that the 992.2 will start production in June 2024, it will loose the analog tachometer and the ignition switch, it will be hybrid and PDK only. Because I wanted a manual, I went ahead with the 992.1
@@michailgeroulis8890 That's precisely why I took my 992.1GTS I don't want a hybrid. If that's definitely the case I will be keeping my .1
Hope you can get a non-hybrid GTS
I’m hearing the 718 4.0L will be an option, the only hang up is whether or not the 911 snobs come to their senses when they’re essentially paying $100k for the 992 interior over the 991 interior in the 718’s. The only other benefit to buying a 911 4.0 over a 718 would be to get awd. I forecast only Turbos to be good buys in the .2’s. Obviously the 2RS as well, but that’ll be $1Mill minimum after your dealer shakedown.
I predict a mildhybrid system to the standard and the S models with the standard engines more or less untouched. This economical as well as ecological reasons and regulations. A system like this will probably add 15-30hp.The GTS will maybe have a full hybrid system with a significant boost, maybe like in a Ferrari 296gtb wich will contribute around 100hp when needed. The cars will be heavier. The na engines will be reserved for their special models from the GT series and offered to purist and enthusiasts as part of their brand heritage. Like the Rolex of cars.
Mild hybrids don't make sense in sportscars the extra power/weight tradeoff isn't there so only a more powerful full hybrid system makes sense
Agreed I wouldn‘t want one for this reasons. But I still think they will do it to meet environmental regulations and avoid painful taxes in the different markets. See BMW. But it is a guess. We will see soon.
Agreed I wouldn‘t want one for this reasons. But I still think they will do it to meet environmental regulations and avoid painful taxes in the different markets. See BMW. But it is a guess. We will see soon.
Agreed I wouldn‘t want one for this reasons. But I still think they will do it to meet environmental regulations and avoid painful taxes in the different markets. See BMW. But it is a guess. We will see soon.
Agreed I wouldn‘t want one for this reasons. But I still think they will do it to meet environmental regulations and avoid painful taxes in the different markets. See BMW. But it is a guess. We will see soon.
No Porsche driver wants downsized engines or electric motors with additional batteries making the car heavier ^^
Regardless of what happens, I'm just happy I recently picked up my 992.1 GTS. It seems that the trends in this industry cannot be stopped much to my disappointment
Good choice!!! No one wants this hybrid BS
GTS is my order, which color and spec is yours ? Enjoy every moment ...
@@Dejan_23Unlimited went coupe rwd in racing yellow! Enjoy yours too
Made the same decision, secure a 992.1 .
Same, took delivery of my 992 GTS with aero kit 7 months ago. Specced a lot of options as I think this will be a keeper.
If we get any hybrid things into 911.That’s really fucked up
I’ll stick with my NA
Pet peeve. It isn’t “dot”, it’s “point”.
The 991.2 and the 992.1 don’t have the same engine 3.0 turbos but not the same
Some C-level guy from Porsche told that 911 became too big and he would like it to be small (+lighter). So far 911 became fat GT - not 911 of good old days.
Well a month later it looks like we'll be getting a 3.6 Ltr Naturally aspirated Six in a GTS - Sweet
Yeah we'll not get it. Will still be turbocharged
What tf is "GDS"???
The 992.2 turbo s will be insanely fast, I’m predicting 725bhp
0-60 in about 2.2
The current Turbo S has been clocked at 2.2, and the 918 Spyder at 2.1… I think we’ll see a Porsche break the 2 second barrier in 992.2 gen
@@TheGreekCarGeek 1.9 definitely possible then, 1.9 to 60mph and 2.0 to 100kph maybe, let’s see
Please pronounce Porsche correctly.
Man, those new vertical slats are so hideous. I'm shocked someone in their design department looked at that and thought: "Yea, this is fine!" Will be hands down the ugliest Porsche built in the last 15 - 20 years. So Porsche is getting uglier, and heavier eh? Losing a fan and repeat customer. Sorry Porsche, you're going in the wrong direction.
The Hitler 'stash on the GT3s is another one that shocks me.
It’s about emissions unfortunately…
I HATE.. HATE ESG VERY VERY MUCH....
Hybrid is not what makes Porsche Porsche. Expect rejection from the majority or Porsche fans. What we need is a new engine technology from the ground up. Think a hydrogen combustion engine.