How Porsche tested the 992 in the real world without us noticing
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- čas přidán 16. 05. 2024
- Let's look behind the scenes of Porsche's rigorous testing process prior to releasing the new Porsche 992 generation 911.
If you want to see the testing for the 991 generation:
• Testing the 2012 Porsc...
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I've been one of those Engineers for 12 years and can confirm: best job in the world!
How does one get into this profession?
Wow, amazing! Thanks for chiming in. Can you share one of your favorite moments over those 12 years?
How does the path to becoming ond look?
@feb00 how do you even get a job like that ?
@@anwarawad9462 being an automotive engineer based in southern Germany sure helped a lot. But I would say with a background in engineering you can access this kind of positions at many OEMs and suppliers anywhere in the world
My wife’s cousin was a Porsche test driver in Europe, now retired … neat stuff
Wow, that's cool. How long did they do that for? What was the best car they tested if you know?!
how do you become a test driver?
@@nolandaileyget a degree in engineering and apply.
Other manufacturers putting crazy camos on their test cars. Meanwhile Porsche paint it black and leave it dirty 😂
The camo is only applied if there are bigger, completely redesigned parts on the car or it’s a whole redesign of the car, even Porsche uses that. The all black Porsche cars are either used when the car was already unveiled to the public (that’s probably why they allowed the journalists to interview them in the video) or some smaller modifications have been done to that car, e.g. new lights (parts of the lights would get taped for this example)
Other manufacturers make new cars, not just 'the same car but we changed the body panels and infotainment slightly'
@@shred1894 Yes they do. Or do you seriously believe that every car manufacturer makes a completely new car every year? 💀
They all look the same anyhow 😂😔 @@jms4989
No need for Porsche since they basically look the same
I saw people testing the 992 GT3RS with a 992 Carrera S as a support car in September 2022. It was all black and still in it's prototype phase but a sight to behold. I had just gotten off of work and was making my turn to go home and pulled up right next to it. Best 5 minutes of my life. Funny enough it was just after 9:11 pm.
They had 2 doing high altitude testing up on Loveland Pass 5/8/2022. They just covered them at night and we passed them a few times back and forth from Summit to Denver that weekend. A close second to seeing the Ford GTs many years before, but the side bodywork and huge wing on the GT3RS had me wondering at the time if it was testing for a map/tune for the Pikes Peak Hillclimb.
was this on the 11th lol...
I have seen a few 991 Targa prototypes they covered the big glass windows of the back by wrapping them with black cotton and it looks more or less like a normal cabriolet :D
I was a kid, living near the factory in 1976 for a year. Every once in a while I'd see a car that looked like it was from the distant future or outer space. When it went on sale, a year later, realized it was the 928.
Oh wow that would have been quite a sight in 1976!!!
I once attending a track day in canada, Toronto back in 2000 or so. I walk around the pit and saw a mid engine car with no badge . First thought it was just some random kit car, I then saw the engine was V10. And the drive close the cover when they saw me trying to talk a picture. I believe it was the carrera gt test mill.
Test mule*
Dang!!!!
That's awesome, I really like these stories of chance encounters with early development / test cars!
Dayum
I'll be going next year for laps in a 991 GT3 RS or 992 GT3. Mosport has some interesting history. I've spent some time at the karting circuit there but no time on the main track.
This year I'm going for the Radical SR3 and the Lotus Emira.
This is crazy. I saw all of these black 992s together a few days ago driving through Torrey Pines. All debadged I knew something was up
I had to look up where Torrey Pines it but yes, another friend in San Diego mentioned this too and he sent me a picture of them in that area from last weekend. I posted it on my Instagram.
992.2 for sure 👀
I use to have a 911, I now drive a macan turbo, but I need to go back to 911.
Mistakes were made
Family man car makes sense but damn that must have hurt to get rid of the 911 😢
Macan aka shopping car for moms 😂
i still have my 991.1 for weekend car and got a Maserati Lavante for family car lol
Sure brother
being a test driver for the new 911 is like a dream
Yes, it's neat
I have a video of 2 992 mule cars in 2018 travelling on the I-80 through Nebraska… filmed from my own 911! It was the most unique experience as the test drivers waved back and did pulls with me.
I read that as ‘2992 mule cars’ and thought wow that’s a lot
I was born and raised in Granada, Spain, home to one of the highest elevation-change routs in Europe. You can go from almost 3000m to sea level in less than 2 hours, go through several climate types and a dense European city along the way.
This all means a ton of car, truck and bus companies would test their vehicles there, and I got to see so many prototypes, it was awesome.
I saw Porches, Roll-Royce's, BMWs, VW/audi products, the new MGs before they had re-launched the brand. But my most memorable one was the pre-production Bugatti Chiron
Yeah, I was in Granada a few days ago and saw two Audi prototypes in the Hills.
They have been testing in the North West of Ireland for over twenty years from their base in County Sligo.
Makes sense as to why I spotted three unreleased Porsche 992 cars in 2017 in Donegal!
Back when I was 14 my family drove from AZ to CA for a family trip on the way we saw the same thing 3 packs of 4 all testing out the new Panamera super cool
Vince you would make a great test engineer. Porsche if you're watching - hire Vince! He's friendly and an awesome guy.
Ha thank you! Maybe a good future job!!
U would be good but porsche wouldnt hire u because u would reveal all their secrets
I live in southern Germany in the mountains. I see Porsche or Mercedes test drives very regularly. I have friends working in the automotive industry. Sometimes they will get a car for a weekend to test, often it’s just one tiny part in the car that’s new and gets tested like a sensor
I saw a 991 Turbo S Cabriolet test mule while on a trip to Montenegro with my family. We were waiting for a ferry, and in front of us in the queue was the aforementioned 991. I never saw a similar Porsche in my life, so I googled the newest Turbo S Cabrio model and came upon the 997.2 which didn't look quite like the one I saw. I didn't know what I actually saw until I came across this video. Thanks!
I saw a group of these ravens with antennas early march in SF! Thx for explaining
so you get to drive a multi hundred thousand dollar car hundreds of kilometres and get paid? sign me up how do i be one
Study engineering, finish.
Become a race car driver.
Apply to porsche and pray
Great video! I learned a lot from this, so thank you!
Thanks so much!! Crazy that you saw some 992.2 test cars today by random chance.
I'm an engineer for a Powersport brand that develops off-road and on-road vehicles. When there's no big aesthetic change between years, we usually paint the prototype vehicle to the last year colors scheme to blend in. There is always a funny feeling driving a vehicle on the road that as the next years hardware/software without others knowing.
I live in quite close to the Porsche development campus in Weissach, there are tons of taped cars and testing vehicles here. Its not exclusive with Porsche, Mercedes, BMW are also more or less common to see testing their newest cars on public roads.
Porsche is just… brilliant!
Living in the desert southwest near test facilities, I often have seen various "zebra wrapped" test vehicles on public roads. Always interesting to think about the data that they are gathering.
Well done Vince! Voice work and editing both top notch
🙏 thanks andy!
I came expecting a secret for hidden test mules but just saw a guy talking about regular test mules
At least you didn't come expecting a donkey show....wait a donkey isn't a mule.🤣
Man what a blast it must be to truly now the ins and outs of such an iconic series of car, to be the one group to figure out, experiment and do all that whilst mainly just driving such a piece of art ? It is such a dream to be one of them !
i saw the 992 GT3 in Stuttgart 3 months before they even announced it. At first me and my buddies thought its just a tuned 991 but after the car got released, we were so hyped up because we knew we saw a car that hasnt even released at that moment yet.
Love your point about their "functional look" part of what's so appealing about them. Agree! Like well-worn jeans, not new ones folded neatly in the closet.
I live in Mpumalanga,South Africa and the number of test cars I’ve seen is immense!
bro im from stuttgart and i see new prototype cars being tested like this from Porsche and Mercedes-Benz literally everyday (they're called Erlenkönig over here) and i love to see them
Being a Porsche test driver must be the absolute dream job for any car guy. I would absolutely take it, no matter what kind of salary they'd offer.
my father was working on the air conditioner for the first panamera, their department got 3 panameras for 2 weeks to test drive around europe to test the new air condtioning unit.
Seen some squads of random Porsches appearing in small coastal towns around Spain and Italy over the last few years. Badges say one thing but after looking around the car you kinda start questioning if what you're seeing is really last year's car or just something custom has been done. Props to manufacturers who do real-world testing without drawing too much attention.
This is not innovative, but what car brands should be doing to be respected. A lot of say: "Porsche is so overrated", but is actually their honest hard work and engineering what has made them a top class brand.
💯 agreed!
I just saw like ten of these in Globe, Arizona USA three days ago. All had the Georgia plates and a black support van.
Really enjoyed this. I saw the Carrera GT testing on a dirt track in Sitges, Spain before it was released.
Oh wow that would have been cool to see!
On a dirt track ? It must be insanely cool
Now that you mentioned this at 6:07, it does make sense that they can have an automotive version of A/B testing!
I live in New Mexico and had the amazing privilege of getting to see a new s650 mustang testing, if I remember correctly, less then a week after ford officially showed off the new car. Sadly it was going the opposite way on the highway and I only saw it last second but i distinctly remember the aggressive shape of the fresh 2024 mustang being protected under a camouflage wrap.
That Ford GT test photo comes from my hometown of Glenwood Springs, an epicenter of high altitude testing. I love playing “what on earth am I looking at” to the camo and unreleased vehicles. Almost every car released here (especially by American companies use Denver-Glenwood Springs and sometimes back over Independence Pass to make sure the cars can handle the highest conditions. It’s kind of funny when they clash with Highway Patrol officers as they did just before the photo was taken. You can read about this car and 2 others pulled over clocked at 101 in a 50mph zone in the Vail Daily news. Safe to say the engineers sometimes have a bit too much fun on the job haha.
That's awesome! Thanks for sharing
When I was 18 years old I had a summer job as a car jockey at a Porsche Dealership in Englewood New Jersey. A good friend of mine was a mechanic there and got me the job before I left for college. Down the street was a BMW dealership and I saw the very first e30 M3. My two favorite cars were the 944 Turbo and the e30 M3. I said one day I'll have a 944 turbo or an M3. I knew nothing about product life cycle and little did I know the 944 would be gone. I did drive 911's - 928 also all summer long as an 18 year old. HOLY SMACK! I dont come from money so I was mesmerized. I stuck with the Plan and I've had 2 M3's so far they are phenomenal. Current is a 2022 G80 6MT. A 911 would be a fun car but my fun vehicle is my 2022 R 1250 GS 40th anniversary. A good friend of mine who dreamed of owning a 911 fulfilled that dream too. He had a 2020 992 S Manual. Kept for 2 years and sold it. Now he drives a C63s. I appreciate 911's but I dont have a use case for one given my current vehicles.
My ultimate dream car since I was a kid, way back in the early 70s. The 928 was my personal baby for 12 great years. But nothing tops a 911, the stuff of legendary motoring excellence.
There was a terrible accident a few years go on the Autobahn near Stuttgart when a Porsche engineer drove recklessly with a Turbo convertible test car and crashed into the center guardrail, suffering fatal injuries.
That was followed by a series of less severe accidents in the 2020s, leading to some speculations on how well Porsche had their test-drivers under control.
Well accidents happen and driving fast on the autobahn is what these cars are often used for. So of course they have to test it on highspeeds on the autobahn. Thats what these cars are build for…
This is the type of thing that sells me on a car, or gets my interest. Thanks for the video!
Glad you liked it!
im aiming for this Job love the different prototypes
Do it! It sounds like an awesome job. I wish I spoke German.
Great video and a much deserved view count. I didn't even know you had a CZcams channel until the almighty algorithm recommended it to me. Looking forward to more great content.
I saw a small group of these cars, did not think much about it, but I got my camera out and took some pictures.
They did have antenas on the windows and stickers with numbers.
Just randomly clicked on this video and came to the conclusion that those were most likely test cars
My dad tested the 918 spider and Porsche cayenne and Panamera hybrid models because he helped develop the electric engines. I got pictures of when my dad brought them home for testing over the weekend.
Wow, that is really cool. Can you share any of the pics? I found some other footage I have of an early 918 prototype that I'll try to post as my next video.
I saw a caravan of yet to be released Benz E Class in Death Valley back in January 2009. Parts of the interior were masked out but the exterior was mostly final version and visible.
Makes sense that Porsche makes such a great car with this process. Because I swear some cars have things that make question if anyone ever bothered to drive the car before going for sale
Besides not standing out in public, the black color also helps as a worst-case scenario for temperature. Due to absorbing more sunlight, black cars can easily get 10°C warmer than white cars, so it's important to test the cars with the "worst-possible" color.
In an old issue of Motor Trend, there’s an article about the testing they did on the 718 Cayman up in the Arctic Circle and one of the test drivers nearly put one into a sulfur lake, pretty awesome pictures. Anyway, they yanked it out of the drift it got buried in and just kept on driving, no big deal.
I live near the AMG production facility and I see so many test cars, it's incredible! They mostly have a camoflash look but you can kind of make out how they look. :D I also know two test drivers for AMG personally and they both share the opinion of having an amazing Job.
A few details for you. Firstly, a mule car is a last generation model butchered as neccessary to simulate the updated features on the proposed new car. These generally don't see that much on-road time depending on how well they're built since much of the real engineering test work can be done in the lab and on track. Many of the test cars you will see on the road a pre-production cars of some level and there are several levels aimed at testing the actual design, testing the manufacturing methods of the parts and then finally the full assembly processes for off-tool parts. The road tests you might see can be one of two styles - a "management drive" where the suits get to experience and critique the engineer's efforts in a real-world environment or, a quasi-commute between test facilities with actual engineers, although the "test facility" may be just a hotel base high up in the mountains or in some god-forsaken desert or frozen wasteland. I would say that road testing is more "evaluation" than "testing" for most engineers and you're on the road looking for the rough edges poking out rather than testing the actual specific function of components. One other extensive part of vehicle development on road is engine and transmisson controller calibration. Areas that are evaluated here include cold, hot and altitude starting and post-start operation, idle control, load inputs from aircon, PAS, gear engagement, shift quality etc. Another huge area is testing and validating the effectiveness of the active on-board diagnostic functions for emissions compliance. The active functions require a certain amount of vehicle operation to determine whether to pass or fail so there's a huge matrix of tests needed with limit pass and limit fail parts installed to make sure the systems are legal but don't give customers false fail warnings. This often requires a lot of on-road testing that likely continues on way past the vehicle's on-sale date.
This restores my faith in comments, thanks for adding these details! Super helpful. I'm guessing you do this for a living??
@@AtypicalDriver Used to be in the auto industry but not since a long while. Holden VE Commodore was the last production vehicle I had anything to do with although I've worked on a couple of engine development projects for other industries since.
That is an amazing job.
There are probably things in it that are much tougher and less desirable than we can see on the surface.
But it looks so awesome. Going on roadtrips all over the world figuring out what works and what doesn't. It's like labwork but a hundred times more interesting
I live in the high desert on the backside of the Sierras just over the mountains from LA. We often get many test car caravans from many makes making their way to Death Valley and mountain road testing. Many are in that black and white livery cover overlays. I’ve seen them at a popular park and ride adjusting and finnicking with their telemetry boxes. It’s rare to see them without all the coverings tho we have seen quite a few caravans coming to and from the old Honda test site south of us. That one was sold off to some other company now iirc.
Truly a dream job.
I'm happy for you guys who actually get to drive that stuff without having to worry about a blown engine every 50k miles
As a porsche owner it is evident just how much real world testing and optimization is done, such smugly pleasurable machines
Got passed by a bunch of Cayennes during their testing in outback South Australia back in the noughties. The road was rough and they were flying! Not a road for my Boxster🙂
Used to get passed by the mules on the A5 after dark, all kitted out with sensors. Always between 200 - 300km/h and matt black
3:35 two ford gt's just casually flashing by
Nice video, I saw the new Cayenne & Macan electric versions in Portugal 🇵🇹, near Sintra wonderful cars although I prefer regular engines
I live in South Africa,and remember The AMG GT, G63 and GLC being tested in my neighbourhood
I saw a couple raptors with the secret wrap on em and some off road goodies heading down to baja when i was in california. They had michigan manufacturer plates, so I figure something cool was being done.
The interesting thing is you don't really notice some changes until it's changed. E.g. I once visited a laboratory developing black paint that is as black visible as any other black but reflects infrared so it doesn't heat up as much so the cars stay cool. Developing and engineering is so cool.
I've been wanting that job since the first time i saw the intro movie from Need For Speed 2000 Porsche
Truly one of the coolest jobs in the world and test mules are the coolest version of a car
I was lucky enough to be in Cape Town’s waterfront in Dec 2003 using a shortcut to get to the shopping centre and out of nowhere, 9 McLaren SLR’s🤩 there was 10 but one hit a mk1 golf
I saw 3-5 911s in a train testing on highway 1 in Bodega Bay, CA. They had the antennae in the back and were all black.
I saw several 918 test mules in Santa Monica, California.
6:49 I love the perfect man-made potholes!
What a dream job !!
I might have seen them on Tuesday on my way to Baden-Baden but probably not 😅
Everytime he said "911" i thought of planes rather than cars
When selling Porsche in the USA from 1986-1989, we learned about a term called “Popometer“ - a seat of the pants feeling that test drivers use when evaluating their cars. It’s translated to a “seat of the pants meter”.
In Austria/Tyrol BMW & Audi often testig their cars on the mountain roads. Noticeable is the Black tape or the erlkönig foiling(i hope that word is right😅)
Yeah, I’ve seen them, for the last few months when I go bicycle riding near my home there’s a mountain and a track, they’re always there, groups of 4, various new models always being led by a older generation.
Great Video!
911 Turbos have always been a personal favorite since they came out in what was it, 1976? They have raw beast look to them, very purposeful, dedicated to getting from point A to point B - fast
How do you feel now that all the 911s are turbocharged now? I mean 911 turbo used to mean top of the line but maybe not anymore? I guess the regular Carrera owners probably don't say they drive a 911 turbo though!
@@AtypicalDriver i think the ''turbo'' on the name has gained a meaning beyond the simple mechanical one, at least now, even though all 911s are turbocharged, not all 911s are 911 turbo, the historical value of the name is there, even more so if you remember the iconic old commercials of 911 turbo
@@drifterguy20 yup 100% true...e.g. the Taycan Turbo definitely ain't got any turbos but it is the top of the line.
We get a lot through florida, especially audis, I'm not sure why, but seeing them on I-4 at midnight is oddly common
Underrated Channel
Thank you! 🙏
Short hint to your 918 Erlkönig photos: This were the late models when the design was already communicated, the time before they had 911 models with all the hybrid technology inside!
Porsche is really crazy in building 1 of prototypes and i dont know other OEMs which invest so much time and cost to build prototype cars for testing new technologies.
Thanks for sharing this insight, I love when people chime in with these kind of details!
Yeah, VW beetle sibling looks nice :D
Whats the video where they are testing in California/ San Francisco
Now i want a Porsche even more
👍
I’ve seen the Aston Martin DBS Superleggera and current Range Rover testing as prototypes, they seem to test quite a few cars down my way. Both black, with a small decal on the back bumper with ‘prototype vehicle’. Presumably for the police since those cars didn’t officially exist yet.
I came across the Rimac Nevera during testing in Pag, Croatia.
As a five times 9/11 owner I'm going to make the following comment. For the first time you've got a video article that will hold up to basically anything that automobile magazine Road and track etc has ever done. Good job guys. You've taken it to the next level finally. Took a while but CZcams is finally becoming self-actualized.
Wow that is a huge compliment, thanks!!!
Best job in the world❤❤
Worked like this with 2Wh EVs for 3 years and came to the US for a masters. Can't wait to get back to the field and tinker!
i noticed you had a 3rd gen Acura TL. Great vehicles including the 911
Wow, good eye! Yeah that we my wife's care for awhile. Such a nice car for the price, bought it used around 2009 very affordable.
@@AtypicalDriver It was Acura's best selling sedan, even dethroned BMW 3 series for a short time. Not a single Acura has ever broke the sales record of the 3rd gen TL. They still are one of the most popular vehicles in the enthusiast world. This year marks the 20th anniversary of the 3rd gen TL. Maybe do an Acura video? 😄
nice vid!!
In August I went for a road trip UK to Italy, and like 10 of those black Porsche 911 overtook me on the German autobahn
a saw the testing of the mercedes amg project one in december of 2021 in public road testing with the special painting
Wow!!! 😲 Where was that?
Just saw them testing the ST!
What do I have to do to get this kind of job? Where do I start? I want to switch paths from software engineer to a test driver from Porsche
I saw them in Almeria, Spain
I saw a Porsche taycan test car a few years ago
3:36 what's with the single frame of 2 Ford GT's?
Hah good catch. Just other examples of test cars getting spotted.
Porsche owns a large prooving ground at Nardo in Italy and a smaller one at their development center Weissach near Zuffenhausen and Stuttgart