I EXPOSED SUPERCAR DEALERSHIPS
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- čas přidán 4. 05. 2024
- Today I attempt to buy a GT3 RS and expose the secret world of dealerships
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Thank God you posted this video. I was about to buy a gt3rs tomorrow, but after seeing this im gonna stay with my opel corsa
🤣 and you're probably enjoying the Corsa more because you haven't been gouged on the price.
U sound like ur RocketPoweredMohawk. He loves his Corsa....
Opel corsa is a good car dude, I own a Toyota Corolla 2020 SE edition and I’m happy with this little rocket my dream car is a McLaren P1 GTR or Pagani Zonda R, well just dreaming however it has fact is you feel happy what you drive dude, cheers bro.
loool not the fiat?
Correction you can't lol
I understand from dealer perspective, but when you spend 2+ million a year and still cant buy the car you want sounds like a absolute scam.
It is cause they are just rinsing your wallet 💯💯💯
You may aswell just buy one for overs and forget the dealer, would be cheaper.
Should be illegal. A lot of weird grey area exist in the uk which makes the rich richer seems like the whole system is rigged
@@CrankCyclingChannelor don’t fall for the hype.
@@CrankCyclingChannel Well yeah but it's not really overs though is it. Nobody can actually buy the car at the 'retail' price anywhere ever. The car should just retail at £350K and be done with it, and then everyone can decide if it's worth it vs the competition.
I walked into a Porsche dealer in California looking to order just 911S. Salesman didn't even get up from behind the desk and started a conversation with "you know there is a markup." I left without a word. I can afford to buy a new 911, but I will never pay markup on anything.
That's the right approach never pay markup.
Good man!
Wait till a recession. I have the money and love how a Porsche base model 911 looks. in 2020 I was on Porsche's builder and at the end let it look at inventory for a match, which sent my info to the nearest dealer. In 15 minutes Porsche Chicago called. This was during the beginning of pandemic shut down - he would have given me a discount on that car. [edit - Iwo26 - props for handling the disrespect with grace].
There are barely ANY porsche 911s in the dealer inventories.
I bought a brand new 2014 Boxster S with $8K discount. I'm still driving it. I know it's nothing special, but it's a fun car to drive.
Thank you for finally shedding some light onto this scumbag industry. I waited 9 years, worked hard, saved my money, invested wisely, just to buy a gt3 rs.
Walked into the dealership and got laughed out the door by scumbags like this.
Buy used?
Looks like you missed the entire video? Used gt3rs's are being scalped harder than new ones...you gunna pay half a milly for a car that barely retails at a quarter mil>? All the power to you big man!@@AmosDohms
I’d love a GT3RS but honestly when are you ever going to fully enjoy that car’s potential? For far less money you can buy a more “modest” car.
@@dman1511 ? Looks like you can get RS's at auction for 200-300. Sure, bit of a markup, but at least you get the car.
I can't say I feel very sorry for you since the "list" is pretty common knowledge and it seems like you didn't do your homework. If you don't plan to build up a relationship with a dealer, why don't you try buying a 996 GT3 or a 991.1 instead? They're usually cheaper and still retain that "driving purity" (for the 996)
I had the SAME THING when i went to buy a Ford Fiesta! I had to buy 2 Coffees before he sold me the car!!Shocking.🤣
At least you got the ST ?!
@@Mastermindthreethousand I Wish. Just the bog standard trim.😢
Great post :)
The coffee is free at BMW dealerships lol. I have a used one and get a cup when do my alignment. I'm getting two cups next time because I'm fitting new wider tires and want an alignment after that.
Thats outrageous !! Think I would rather face the porsche dealers.
I worked at a US Porsche dealer when the first 996 turbo dropped in 2000. Porsche reps came into the office and demanded to see the Purchase and Sale Agreement. They would’ve pulled the franchise if it was sold over list, or we refused to show the paperwork. The times they are a changing….
Corporate greed is at an all time high across all fields of desirable products. Even the high-end PC part market is screwed now because of crap like this. Such a shame. Will only get worse unless there's government intervention to drop the hammer on them and regulate their practices. However, that probably won't happen due to good ol' bribery.
It took just one generation for the average customer to lose his mind. This wouldn't be happening if that wasn't true. The world depicted in the movie Idiocracy arrived almost 500 years early.
Yes but now porsche sells cars aimed at fleet buyers. The Panamera, The Macan, and the Cayenne are all bought as company cars. You probably didn't have people walk in back then and say "I need 20 Panamera for the board members, 15 Cayenne for the upper managment, and 25 macan for the upper middle management thanks" Thats what everyone is forgetting, these guys buying 5 porsche cars for a million and expecting to be up the list, yeah maybe 25 year ago, but now? Do you know what happens if you refuse the guy putting the fleet order through a gtr? he puts his order through with mercedes the next year and phones them up looking for an amg gt coupe and gets it.. Even Lexus did it, a cherry to dangle at the fleet buyers. Watch makers do it. You have to get to car brands that only do sports before having 4 or 5 will get you any sort of way up a list.
@@MatthewC137it didnt even took the last 10 years. The change in customer and hype behavior was and is fast
Much more people are millionaires today vs 2000, don't forget that too.
I honestly had no idea that you can't walk into a dealership and buy the car of your choice
Not a supercar. Forget about it. Don’t blame the dealers, blame the so called flippers.
@@carpediem4512Flippers wouldn't have a business if these cars were not restricted in this way by the dealers. If people could buy it at list price, how could a flipper get a 100k mark-up?
@@janbo8331 could be because theres not enough to go around?
@@janbo8331 Theyre restricted because those cars are rare. If they allowed to sell their cars to flippers, regular people who legitimately want a supercar to drive and keep wouldn't be able to buy any from a dealership. The exact same thing happens with Rolexes.
@@Romans8-9After watching the video it should be pretty clear that people can't buy these cars from dealerships either.
They keep them rare to sell a bunch of cars people don't want. That was the whole point of the video series...
This is why I love BMW, they make insane performance vehicles and you can walk right on in and spec out whatever you want, pay for it and pick it up in a few months. My M8 comp has been nothing but bliss.
This isn't an accurate comparison, the M8 Comp isn't a limited-edition car.
Try buying an M4 CSL for example, you'll see that it has allocations like the GT3RS does.
It actually took me almost two thirds of the way through this video to realise that you made this whole video just to show Jayne to convince her that paying over list was the best thing to do. Well played Mark, well played sir...
this does seem like a self convincing video for himself haha
Weird how you know the correct spelling of her name
@@kc550it’s weird you know how it’s spelled to be able to tell him that it’s weird that he knows how to spell her name
@@AlexNicol2890 Jayne thinks it's weird too
Either way people need to know how lost the system and big corporations are, they treat the people of the world with contempt, the very people they abuse to slime people's money from
Marks now banned from buying a car from every porsche dealer in the uk 😂😂😂
He never had a chance anyway he is winning for the exposure
Ps if he likes my last comment he definitely don’t have a chance 😂 the problem everyone who can afford a gt3 rs still wants one 😅
@tommy2wheels943 well he had a chance of buying a not so limited porsche if he wanted one...that's out the window now 🤣
@@chrissmith-gn8pveveryone has a chance to have a not limited porsche
Its easy porsche needs to sell the cars for more money the GT3 RS lets say 500k and this could end
I love this series and it’s been a real eye opener. Keep it coming and well done Mark
This culture with luxury car brands is the reason why I will keep my 86, STI, GR Corollas even if money wasn't a problem (I manage IT for multiple dealerships, Ive driven them all). Fun to drive? Yes. Repair and upgrade myself? Yes. Easily replaced? Yes. Imagine being rich enough to buy 10 Porsches and still being treated like trash by the business that you keep afloat by being a customer.
Certain STI models are appreciating anyway hehe.
And you are right, they treat their customers very well. The Subaru CEO even said he just wants to make cars that make people happy. They have topped multiple surveys for customer satisfaction.
Sure, they're not super cars, but they're great cars non-the-less and fun to work on (easy to work on, lots of parts), cheap (relative to luxury brands), they''re great all rounders (used in many different forms of motorsport, like rally, time attack, drag, circuit racing etc), have a rich history in motorsport (with WRC) and in general are good enthusiast vehicles.
Toyota likewise is a very good brand also.
Customers shouldn't have to grovel and beg by paying over MSPR. Consumers have power to vote with their dollars and we can put an end to these practices. Thanks for the video!
reminds me of folk wanting certain rolexes wanting to be on waiting lists
It's desperation to own something that not everyone can have. Customers have ego to fill
You are the last person I expected to see in the comments of this video 🤣
FOMO!
Or just get a Chevy stingray z06 for list price.
I love cars my whole life. I hate the industry and 99% of the people in it. Thank you Mark.
Thanks for the support I really appreciate you for being an active subscriber! I want us to discuss.
I worked at a used dealership for 2 weeks. 18 yo. My best friend, basically my brother, had just taken his own life. One of the salesmen there saw me crying in my car on lunch break and found out from the boss what happened. This person had been hazing me from hour 1 of working there. He taunted me about my brother. Telling me his sole mission was to make me cry as much as possible -and I won’t repeat any if the things he said to me but think of the worst things possible. Everyone there was an asshole but nowhere near this level of pure evil.
Fast forward some years and I’m the AGM of a gourmet market-basically a mini Whole Foods but over-the-top customer service and quality-and guess who walks in the door? My boss, the GM, knew my story and I took her aside and told her this idiot was in our store. She gave me permission to kick him out. I didn’t do it. He was with little ones, what I assumed to be his family including what I assumed to be a human wife; it was holding a baby. I’m not sure he even recognized me. It wasn’t worth giving his smiling, happy children that memory.
I shared this because it’s kind of related and I want whoever reading this to do me a favor and go find someone you love, hug them, and tell you how much they mean to you. ❤
This is a brilliant series btw, we all know it happens. Glad someone is filming it.
Here's a summary of the video's content:
Introduction: Mark McCann sets out to buy a Porsche GT3 RS, aiming to expose the secretive and exclusive world of supercar dealerships. He highlights the difficulty of purchasing limited edition supercars, which often requires being on a special "list" managed by dealerships.
The List: McCann explains that to buy exotic, low-number cars like the Porsche GT3 RS, customers need to be on a dealership's list. This list is reserved for their best customers, who buy multiple cars annually, spending millions. These customers are considered brand ambassadors and have a better chance of purchasing rare supercars.
Dealership Practices: Through his journey, McCann uncovers a web of potentially misleading practices by dealers. He finds that to qualify for the list, customers are often expected to buy several less desirable, high-volume models, which are likely to depreciate significantly.
Personal Experience: McCann visits dealerships and contacts them over the phone, only to be met with the harsh reality that without a significant purchase history, securing a GT3 RS is nearly impossible. Dealerships require a history of buying multiple cars, sometimes with specific spending thresholds, without any guarantee of receiving a rare model.
Overs and Contracts: The video discusses the concept of "overs," where customers sell newly purchased cars at a profit due to high demand. Dealerships attempt to prevent this by making customers sign contracts agreeing not to sell their cars within a certain period, under threat of being blacklisted.
Customer Stories: McCann shares stories from customers who have tried to secure rare models by following dealerships' requirements, only to be left frustrated and financially worse off. These stories highlight the opaque and seemingly unfair system that benefits dealerships at the expense of passionate car enthusiasts.
Conclusion: Despite his efforts and a significant personal history of Porsche ownership, McCann concludes that the system is flawed, with dealerships holding all the power. He criticizes the practice of selling dreams to customers without delivering, emphasizing the need for transparency and fairness in the supercar purchasing process.
TLDR: The video sheds light on the complex and often discouraging world of supercar dealerships, calling for a more straightforward and equitable system for car enthusiasts looking to purchase their dream cars.
The Swiss luxury watch brands - especially Rolex - have done this for years…it’s eerily similar. Thanks Mark for your journalism!
i thought exactly the same.
This is why Jay Leno doesn’t buy Ferraris.
It’s also why I sold my Rolexes and won’t buy another.
But does Porsche also sell hot models through back door in bulk to grey market? Or do you need to check in every 2 weeks and be a simp for the salesperson?
If not they still have a lot to learn from Rolex how to properly abuse groveling rich people.
@@Sicarius888 Haha. Spot on. 👍
Yea but you gotta wonder why Rolex ADs don't just add dealer markup. It's because Rolex fixes the price at MSRP, so the only way for an AD to squeeze out more money is to put you on a perpetual waiting list unless you buy your new Sub alongside three Datejusts for you, your wife, and your mom. If Rolex and Porsche allowed dealers to markup above sticker, they'd just do that and forget about this buying 10 cars / 10 watches nonsense.
Turns out car dealerships aren't only cheesing the average Joe but also the rich lol
A lot more to gain by cheesing the rich, lol.
You can only be cheesed buying a supercar if you chose to do it. No one ever got called a pleb in a Lexus LC500.
You can only be morally virtuous if you're broke - the broke people
Honestly
Both houses & cars have become too expensive for most Americans these days, most especially for single people and/or single-income households. Even a lot of 2 income households can't afford them.
Really brilliant, well-produced video. Congratulations guys.
A few years ago I went to a Porsche dealership to configure a Targa. The salesman didn't seem at all interested in making a sale and couldn't even be bothered to find out when a slot would be available. I left and didn't come back. Watching videos like this really makes me re-evaluate my attitude towards this brand. Essentially appreciate the engineering and stay well clear of corporate which to me means 2nd hand market only. But I appreciate the pickle people wanting and being able to afford a GT3 find themselves in. It's not good for the brand image if they have to shove cars down people's throats while dangling a carrot in front of their eyes.
man, this video is the physical meaning of "rich people problems".
Yeah I was tearing up over the idea that some rich people can't just get what they want.
when this economic concept trickles down to Bananas... it'll no longer be a rich person problem. Keep your eyes and ears open.
not to mention the guy does not see his hipokryccy. His buddy offers him a car under the condition he will buy it back at the same price but no he want's a car that he can make easy money on not the actual car.
@@hagestad His buddy isn't even his buddy lol. He's playing the same game the dealer is. Hes a gray market seller, selling for way over retail. Its the same game with certain Rolex sports models.
im just happy i was finally able to buy a PS5 for market price lol
Moral of the story; dealerships are trash and we would all be better off without them. I’ve known this for years being a car enthusiast.
Watching this video makes me hurt inside. Thanks for posting it. There is a lot of insight into the tactics that these dealerships employ to scam buyers.
Met a bloke who got told he needed to buy 5 Cayennes and 5 Macans he could get one of these. Basically the deal was he would buy 10 cars in December, they would buy the cars back for 10% less in January, then he would be able to buy the car he actually wanted. He went through with the deal and sold the car immediately, still making 100k profit despite taking a bath on the SUVs
I go back to basics against these tactics. If a brand does not want to sell me their product at MSRP; they can keep it! If i have to jump through hoops; they can keep it! If i have no freedom to do whatever i want with my property once bought; they can keep it!
There is enough cool cars in the world, old AND new, for me to find a way to enjoy myself! Stop the FOMO! To those who do not agree. You do you guys, just be happy with your choices. ^__-
Yep I agree, I don’t understand how people can like a car so much that they get taken for mugs, this is nuts
Yeah u need to have a backbone, which unfortunately not many have.
Yes! This is the way. Don't like the game, stop playing. They do this because people still take them up on it. It's really unfortunate because companies could have an expanding customer base if they had methods to entice new people aboard with great products at great prices. If someone came out with a great drivers' car that looked like it cost a million but was really sub-$50K and readily available, they'd sell insane numbers and Porsche, Ferrari, etc. would see their business model cave in.
When you have a collection of 50+ cars and have all of the cars you've dreamed of and money is no object, why not pay over to get it?
Imagine our poor man perspective. You have 100+ hot wheels cars, every car you've wanted growing up. Then they come out with a model 2024 911 GT3RS Hotwheel. 😂 since there's only select stores that have them, I'd pay $5, $10, $25, maybe even $50 for it. Just to add to the vast collection I already have. Now think of that with real cars. Now throw in planes, yachts, manions etc. Unfortunately that's the way the cookie crumbles lol. Then you have psychos like the Sultan of Brunei and you have 5-20 of each model of car! And then customs versions of those too lmao. People have too much money!
Amazing, well done Mark.
7:20 she is a fantastic sales person and lays out the key points of buying the trade in over building a portfolio in a way that attracts closing the deal so fast. I would have said "Okay you got me" right there.
Friend of mine bought over 30, yes 30, Ferraris over the last 25 or so years. . He bought the car according to their specs, never drove them, brought them back (got MSRP for them), they sold them as "Pre Owned" and took another guys head off price wise. This went on and on. He always wanted one of their HALO cars but never got one. He finally bought three new ones and sold them himself at a $ 400,000 profit. The dealership was freaking out but he told them to go screw themselves.
ferrari wants to know their orgininals - not the clones in stolen cars
@@loschwahn723 What is that in English?
Devil drives Ferrari. Kick this fool sell out.
he meant "they're" I can't help you with the second half. @@ThunderChunky101
@@mannye don't....
Matt Watson is the perfect example of ‘not what you know, who you know’. He got one without all the rigmarole
@curtisjackson7814 Exactly. He’s is in the business to influence people to walk into the bears cave that is car dealerships. They’d make money even if they gave one to him for free
He’d most likely have got an allocation via his relationship with Porsche UKs own Press and VIP Team, not via any Dealers preferred client list.
@@curtisjackson7814 that's the same thing yes
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. J o h n 3 :16
@@Eunjiiimo2 I didn't realise Matt Watson is the son of God, but it doesn't surprise me for he has many disciples and his Word is the truth. Just like his stick is. I believe in him and in every car review he does, and I am pleased to learn that this will lead me to everlasting life. Fun fact: This is the origin of the expression Prayer Matt.
Thank you for exposing them.
Now, I feel really good that I no longer fancy super cars anymore. It’s too much work to make the car enjoyable. Thank you for the video!
Finally the truth of the matter. Other CZcamsrs fail to acknowledge. They like to pretend they were selected for the cars they lease to prop up their vulnerable egos and appear to make themselves important and special, as if they have a relationship with the manufacturer. Whereby they are in truth just idiots who are so desperate to own the vehicle before anyone else for the pure purpose of boasting in a video 'look what I have because I'm connected'. This is where you stand tall and proud amongst your peers Mark! You don't care what anyone thinks, nor need to portray yourself as special. You tell the truth and expose it for what it is. I for one truly appreciate your honesty and integrity. GREAT VIDEO!
_" wants to buy a car which is only sold to porsche dealers internal and drove with a ford to the porsche contract partner "_
i like to bring the joke in place to the companies
Some of them yea.
Some of them are though.
Prime example of the egotistical narcissist youtube "celebrity" is the king of jumpstarting his drag races and sulks like a petulant child, If he doesn't win, Mr 'carMATTwow' himself🤦🏻 You're ten times the genuine person he'll ever be, my friend 🙏🏻
11:13 "They said a better history with buying from us" I see now how these scammers take advantage of people in order to stay in business. These dealerships are run by pure scammers that want you to buy 10 cars from them, take expensive tours, and then backdoor you even after paying a deposit. I'd rather spend that money modifying something easily available and have the same handling and way more HP than anything in those dealerships. Also, you could have spent 1 billion dollars worth of Porshe's in the past from other dealerships, or private sales, but that dont mean anything because it dont help with their current sales quota's for the month. Thats why i believe some people get scammed. They are poor innocent souls just used by these companies in order to keep up with their sales quota's.
Sounds like car dealerships are taking a page out of the watch industries book. I remember when you could just walk into a dealership and order a 997 GT3 with out any issues.
Yeah, my mate said the same with Rolex apparently
Wait when was this?
You can. It’s the RS you can’t buy.
I was going to say. I'm a modest watch collector and find that I can get very good values in the used market if I stay away from a few brands. That said, I'm not backed up with invitations to black tie affairs because of my Richard Mille collection.
At this level of consumption, there has to be more than the thrill of driving the car. I would want to leverage ownership to get membership in a club where they pipe insider trading information into my ear all day long.
Back then a GT3 would be well below the list price as well, you'd rarely hear anyone buying them at msrp.
I know that first dealership,If it’s the same one it’s in Tewkesbury not far from me .
I went there to buy a Porsche Cayman , very arrogant dealership , I was a cash buyer ,so straight forward to deal with ,their attitude was awful ,was waiting around for ages ,went elsewhere .
Great video mark.
Was literally only thinking to myself earlier today, imagining myself purchasing a GT3-RS and get suggested this video now. One day 🙏🏼
I worked for Ferrari. The position in the order "List" means nothing and comes down to which established buyer the Head of Business or General Sales Manager prioritises at the time of a production slot becoming available. Those clients deemed to be "big hitters" all are talking to those guys, not a salesperson. And those preferred customers could be very appreciative. Allegedly.
I worked under a man who is currently the head of Ferrari sales in his region.
Needless to say that he was corrupt and dishonest when I worked for him and I hate to think how he sleeps at night now knowing the type of people he must be blackmailing because there is absolutely no doubt that he is.
I realised this years ago and got him to buy ME a brand new car to keep my mouth shut and then resigned as soon as I was given the keys.
Quite truly I think that is the one and only time this guy has been stung.
I sold the car a few weeks later for a large profit and left him to pay it off.
He learnt a lesson that year, but has obviously bettered his game as he is now a regional manager for Ferrari.
@@user-oe1mb9hu9i Imagine being that big of simp. Holy shit.
@@user-oe1mb9hu9ican I get the name? I also currently work for Ferrari and wonder if I’ve met him before lol.
A list then
@@Glyn69 Yes. But as I wouldn't trust the man as far as I can throw him and aware of Ferrari antics once they have their greedy hands in your pockets, I'm afraid I'll pass.
You are free to contat me if you would like to buy a car - I'll do that for you - then I will step way clear and you are on your own.
Hey Mark, I just watched your video and couldn't agree more, especially given my recent experience here in the US. I'm an expat residing in San Francisco and have a story that echoes your points, but perhaps even more frustrating.
During the Covid pandemic, I set out to purchase a Porsche GT3. Despite my efforts, I couldn't secure it from a Porsche dealership, so I ended up buying it from a local non-Porsche dealer. Keen to establish a relationship with the official service department, I visited the Porsche dealer, letting them know about my GT3 acquisition and expressing interest in a GT3 RS. The response was a bit disheartening, as the representative hinted at the difficulty due to my lack of a "Porsche history" with their dealership. I explained that this GT3 was my seventh 911, though my previous purchases were in the UK. Their insistence on a history with their specific dealership felt somewhat narrow-minded, but I understood their perspective.
In a bid to strengthen this nascent relationship, I even purchased a Taycan from them - a fantastic car, by the way. Confident that this might put me in good stead, I asked to be put on the waiting list for the GT3 RS. I had low expectations but was willing to be patient. However, what came next was truly shocking. The representative mentioned that as a new customer, if I were lucky enough to get an allocation for a new car, I'd be required to pay an outrageous premium of $150,000 over the list price. This revelation was astounding and deeply disappointing. The notion of an authorized dealer demanding such a significant markup on a new vehicle was beyond belief. Needless to say, I was livid and expressed my displeasure quite vocally to both the representative and the dealership.
Mark, your video didn't touch on this, but another crucial point to consider is the reason behind the limited supply of high-performance models like the GT3 RS. It's not just what Carl mentioned. A significant factor is the stringent emissions targets that manufacturers like Porsche must adhere to. These high-performance models are produced in limited numbers to maintain a balance with their overall vehicle emissions as a manufacturer.
This experience and understanding the broader context of car manufacturing has left me deeply disillusioned. It's not just about the scarcity of these models; it's also about the tactics employed by dealerships. Porsche, as a brand, risks being tarnished by such practices. Their dealerships’ approach, especially in demanding unwarranted premiums, not only damages customer relationships but also undermines the brand's integrity.
I'm sharing this in hopes that it brings more awareness to these issues and perhaps encourages a change in how these prestigious vehicles are distributed and sold. Thanks for shedding light on this topic, Mark. It's crucial for potential buyers to be aware of these challenges and for manufacturers to recognize the impact of dealership practices on their reputation.
Aww, sorry you couldn’t get your toy. I hope you still have the will to live
How did you prove your purchase history to the dealership? Verbal or actual paperwork?
Also owning multiple can sound like a flipper versus a longtime holder of vehicles.
@@justintoth5440 Lol that guy takes himself so seriously. Dude- you're buying a stupid overpriced car. The middle class can't afford a house, can't afford to have kids, can't afford medical insurance.
@@johnnyronkonkoma5388 what do you even know about him? He gave an excellent reply with additional insight. Why are you even here?
@@justintoth5440 peanut butter and jelly
Thank you am new subscriber , Porsche has been my favourite brand I’ve had three , I’m considering buying one this year after not owning one for 15 years. Thanks enjoyed your videos
Porsche did me a favour by a long delay in giving me an allocation it gave me time to really consider what I was buying with a new 992 Turbo and I cancelled.
The British roads are not compatible with this sort of car.
Restrictive nanny state speed limits, dual carriageway roads that used to be 70 limit now are 50, roads that used to be 60 are now 40, 20 is the new 30!
Shocking state of road surfaces and disrepair, roadworks around every corner.
Cameras everywhere
Unmarked Police vehicles
Shear weight of traffic means absolutely nowhere is congestion free you could make just as much progress with a van costing a fraction of the Porsche.
My Campervan is a million times superior to any Porsche in versatility and usefulness.
I’m enjoying watching my local Porsche dealers inventory fill up on the lot.😂
Same here
Thing is, it will be the cheap Macans and unwanted Taycans returned at the end of their PCP. They will never struggle to move the halo cars.
Me too
Greedy bastards
No you’re not. Porsche hasn’t delivered any cars to dealers in months. They’re all stuck at port. Dealers are buying Taycans tho and those are not selling in the slightest.
@@ianc8999all the cars are stuck at port anyway no dealer has received any 911’s or anything nice other than Macan and Taycan since Christmas
I talked with a Porsche dealer 3 days ago. There is a new car on their lot and a 4 month old CPO car. He would not sell me the new car, but he offered me the CPO. Reason? Because they want to sell the new car to someone they have a relationship with. Oh, and the CPO car is marked up almost $10k over it's original sticker - and higher priced than the new car - but is lower spec than the new one.
I told them I'd shop elsewhere.
You did good. Respect!
Have you tried mindfulness and meditation instead? Blowing cash on giant toys won't make the bad thoughts go away.
@@kasroa Have you tried not worrying about how people you don't know spend their hard earned money? Making judgemental comments won't make you cool.
check mclaren, from what ive heard they dont do this and dont upsell you on stupid options either
You probably don't need the machine that killed Paul Walker
This is very entertaining and well made content. Thanks you. Although I just look at it and think if anyone is mad enough to covet these things and throw daft money around you enter the world of morally dodgy and shallow things / people/ businesses.
Here in the USA, our local Porsche dealer for Washington state. They put a mark up of around 100 grand or more for any GT car, the GT4 and GT3. And the mark up for a GT2 was over 200,000 dollars over MSRP. Sickening. A GT4 I was looking at had a 120,000 dollar mark up. Talk about crazy
I would've laughed my way out of those all those dealers. No matter how much i would want that car, I'm not playing those hilariously stupid games.
My uncle would say"a fool and his money are soon parted"
You think he sounds cool. Only sounds poor and jealous
The list does in fact exist, but as the bloke in the end says, it's invitation only. I used to work at a car shop where they did interior restoration for high end classic cars, I've seen all sorts of cars in this shop, some cars were so rare they were worth millions, the boss has a bunch of wealthy repeat customers, one of them was a CEO for a major bank and I overheard a conversation where the CEO said they would usually get a call whenever these new supercar became available in the country and asked if they're interested in buying them. Now I have no idea if they had to have bought a certain amount of cars before hand or if they just had a personal relationship with these car manufacturers and/or dealers.
Glad you got it! Now it’s time to take it on the track. If it stays only on the street it is a disservice
This is a huge problem and needs to be resolved. The common man will eventually become so tired of not being able to buy a gt3rs that no worker will continue their job and the economy will come to a standstill.
No doubt workers' strikes are soon to occur.
Wizard of Id: Sire, the peasants are revolting!
King of Id: I know ...
It’s the drug dealers I feel sorry for. Can’t walk in with a suitcase of cash and buy what you want.
envy is a terrible thing
These Porsche dealers should be introduced to criminal prosecution for fraud
I don't see what's fraudulent about it. Surely it's up to them to decide who they sell to. If you don't like it, go and buy a different car from somewhere else. I presume it's to try and weed out the people who want to come in and buy the car and just immediately flip it for profit whereas Porsche would rather sell to loyal customers who want to actually keep and enjoy the car, or as mentioned in the video, be ambassadors for the brand. I can't really blame Porsche for that. But also similarly just let people with too much money, spunk it away giving it to Porsche for the 'cachet' of owning one of these halo cars.. it's their money, let them throw it away. The same crap happens all over the place with 'luxury' brands.. just go and walk into a Rolex store and try and buy something other than a generic / higher volume piece. They won't sell anything to you.
Yeah. It's fraud to screw stupid rich people out of their money however satisfying for the rest of us it is to see.@@jimtaylor431
Where's the fraud lol?
People choose to pay the money
Take Costco to the court, they sells annual memberships
Isn't this just commodity trading, The commodity being the VW beetle look alike. Mad world
Great job Mark!!!! My good friend just took delivery of his Porche 911 Targa this past weekend. $179K. This is his 3rd Porche in a row with the same Chicago dealership. He left me a voicemail that his delivery experience with the new GM was terrible, and he is reaching out to the State Attorneys General office today on this. I can't wait to hear the juicy story. Will keep you posted. 👍
Big fan Mark of your videos - Inspartion you are 💥
The reason their showrooms have such big windows? So they can see you coming. Seriously, great video Mark, that's unbelievable.
Mark your content is top class mate. Love your transparency and honesty
Appreciate the support
so true, keep it up
This is how they keep their heritage, history and prestige up..I did not knew how many people can actually afford one, but I would go for something a bit simplier and in your case would made a video too. Like E60 M5 estate what is so rare now is. Just find eqvivalent not out of supercars, but tad below - or they the same? Or RS6 Plus or something as example
There’s some nuance to this, but I can understand the manufacturers side. Considering the manufactured “limited” quantity of the GT3 RS, it makes sense to offer them to longtime customers first, although it’s not guaranteed, instead of the a new customer with no brand loyalty. Probably decreases instances of resale and gets the specialty product in the hands of people who deserve/earned it?
My short response on the primary issue of needing to be on “the list”. Would love to hear what others think!
13:28 they know their customers have more money than sense 😂
that should be ilegal, crazy wild.
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I wont even bother stepping foot in a Porsche Dealership then. If I want something nice like that, I'll just find exactly what I want and buy it off of someone. Saves me from buying all kinds of vehicles and I just jump to the car that I want. Good video!
And since you have no loyalty to a dealership, you can just sell the car private party again at a fair price rather than selling back to the dealer at msrp
This is beyond ridiculous, its great theres exposure to this corruption and unfairness to the customers. How can this be stopped moving forward??
He only exposure Idiots like Himself wanting something above others to fulfill his EGO........He deserve to be ripped off by an overpriced second hand car
I’ve just learned a lot from this video. it’s similar with companies
That lady that called you back and told the cheaper way of buying that car is smart
Honest more like!
She laid it out. Described it as portfolio A would lose less in depreciation than portfolio B. Smart.
It's called dealer mark up in USA.
She was being very analytical and made sense.
Porsche was always one of my favorite brands for building ultimate driving machine but this sales scam really makes me rethink about this brand.
Its the dealerships and the people who buy 10 cars from it to own a gt3 rs, we made this flaw ourselfs. They smell money they do everything to take it from you
What does this have to do with Porsche lmao these are dealerships….
its because people are willing to pay over msrp. if no one did, no one would try and profit off it. porsche wants these cars in the hands of people who will use them so this is one way of doing it.
😂 yeah I’m sure they are bothered about your thoughts buddy
What did you expect from a VAG product 😅 they scam people for decades
In Belgium, my Porsche history is very recent, just bought a new Macan GTS 8 months ago. When I was at the dealership a few weeks ago i was looking at a gt4 rs, and asked if it was still possible to order one. The owner of the dealership told me no, but proposed me a 718 Spyder rs allocation. Out of a 30 sec discussion.. and all the new cars are sold at list price, which seems to be the only way to do it… When I collected my Macan, the first GT3 RS were in the showroom waiting for collection. I’m pretty sure I could have ordered one if I wanted to…
Scarcity is a powerful dynamic. Many high end watch brands are doing the same thing. MSRP doesn’t mean anything. An item is worth what people are willing to spend on it regardless of what its MSRP is. If a Porsche is going for $350k on the secondary market-it’s a $350k car. Are you going to insure it for $250k if replacement value is $350k? Dealers have found out that it’s better to offer these rare items to their best customers at a discount to what the secondary market is commanding instead of just charging anybody and everybody the full market value. I don’t like it as it seems wrong and greedy-but everybody interviewed in this video (the Porsche salespeople a well as that luxury car dealer) was brutally honest about the situation.
This almost sounds like what the U. S Ford, Chevy, Dodge was doing with Pick up trucks a couple years ago. Lies Lies Lies, they where selling $50,000 trucks for $110,000. You ordered a vehicle, left a deposit, then the dealer sales the truck right from under you to the next customer who was willing to pay $30-$50,000 over. Dirty Game!!!
this is why you buy something that:
1) you ACTUALLY want
2) isnt in the most bought vehicles on the market
3) is no more than what its worth
and having good credit definitely gives you some leverage because they know youll pay it off
Thanks for exposing a place I'd never be able to afford going to.
How did Mat Watson get an allocation???? He hasn’t bought any other new Porsches… it’s all a fix
My thoughts exactly
Maybe because he is a motoring journalist and could say nasty things about their cars in his reviews?
@Tune2Race Mat Watson has a few older Porsches such as a 1999 911 996 which is 24 years old however I am thinking of the exact same question of how Mat Watson got a allocated a brand new GT3 RS. Shmee150 can’t get a brand new GT4 RS when he has had more modern Porsche than Mat Watson because Shmee has had a 981 GT4, 991 GT3, Taycan Turbo S and 718 GT4.
Massive social presence. He made a video customizing it as well, probably in the deal for him to get the allocation. That video alone probably made 100+ more people buy into the stupidity of this scam, all profit and hype for Porsche
Even as evil as a car dealers, the last thing you want to do is to upset a man on one of the biggest internet platforms with close to 9 million subscribers and risk him saying don't go to whatever dealer you are in because it's rigged. That is a one-way ticket on a space shuttle to absolute destruction.
In an age of unintended ambiguity, this was a remarkably clear take on 'klout' chasing at the highest levels. Great presentation, story-line, and positivity in the face of staggering stupidity. Subscribed.
Awesome video, man ! Top explained ! Same s##t happens with the Rolex bubble .. you gotta get 100 unwanted pieces to "maybe" get one you want. Silly times
Bro the car dealer had me cracking up 💀😂😂😂😂😂
Great video Mark. I tried a heap of Porsche dealers to get a Cayman GT4RS at list but had no joy. I have also tried to get a GT3 at list but again a massive waste of time, I was constantly directed to the used GT3's on the forecourt at ridiculous overs. Despite being cracking cars, this experience has massively put me off Porsche. These dirty tactics have driven me a way from the brand even though the forecourts are filling up and the prices are coming down.
Keep up the good work Mark. It passes my down time here on an oil rig offshore Africa.
In which country did you try to buy these cars?
UK, all dealers in Scotland then worked my way south but eventually got the message that I was wasting my time.@@michael-masi-2021
In the UK, every dealership in Scotland then worked my way southwards but quickly realised I was wasting my time.
Like many other prospective buyers, Porsche don't need my money so I'll spend it elsewhere.
Same here. I bought a couple GT3's from a dealer. They offered me a GT4 RS...for 150k over sticker. I never spoke to them or any Porsche dealer again. I maintain my own Porsches, and I never purchase cars from Porsche.
@@mg-by7uu ouch. 150k would have me pretty angry also.
Significant dealer markup is common - Toyota 4Runner and Tundra TRD Pros, Ford Raptors, latest gen Corvette, etc. If Porsche allowed their dealers to markup significantly above sticker, they'd just do that instead of making you buy 10 cars.
its not about the money, theyre getting that extra money regardless. its about the status of their company. whoever buys a porsche is seen as a representative of the company.
In my country you do your configuration online, wait for a call for an appointment, then walk into the Porsche dealership, make your down-payment/full payment (at list price as per your configuration) and wait for your car to arrive...US and UK car dealerships are a SCAM! 🤣
I hope corporate sees your videos. I love how you’re exposing them. They’re ridiculous! Here in the United States even after you buy so many cars from Porsche you still have to pay a $75,000 markup at least, to be able to buy GT3 RS brand new.
The brand was built by sports car enthusiasts who worked hard and were successful enough to walk into a Porsche dealership and buy a new 911. Now it seems Porsche is disregarding that heritage to pursue the almighty dollar, boxing out its core customer base to deal only with obscenely rich men who just crave the status of owning something that no one else has. Good luck with that in the long term, Porsche.
Hasn't seemed to caused an issue for the past 30 years...They know what they're doing. "Regular" and "Core" customers are well taken care of in my experience. If you're walking into to buy something special and rare- you're neither regular or core. Their core base is buying Macan's and Cayennes by the boatload.
If I'd done absolutely everything and spent millions at a loss and still not got 1 I think I'd just sell them all and never buy a porka again. Great video mark.
And where would you go? Ferrari or McLaren?
But then there's 100 other people that have spent more than you, they should take priority as they are bigger supporters of the brand. So that's why you still might not get an allocation.
Porka luv it
Thanks for a real expose instead of clickbait.
Dont forget that on top of that, you're expected to opt for particular optional extras, configurations and colour combo's that will sell and to keep the mileage as low as possible. No thanks, for a fun weekend car I would rather buy a used base model Carrera with a manual box, a Cayman or Boxter or something mad and quirky like a morgan 3 wheeler that I can thrash around at legal speeds but still have fun. There are too many people with too much money fuelling this. If nobody bothered asking for the GT3 RS then things might change.
Thank you Mark for showcasing this side of the dealerships that isn't widely spoken about on social media. It's disgusting to me, that such reputed brands are being so petty and hypocritical to make that extra cash at the expense of their valuable customers.
Sounds like the luxury watch market. Try walking into a Rolex AD and asking for a Daytona 😅
Or any SS Sports model - unless you buy a stack of Tudors and Omegas you don't stand a chance, and even then you won't get a Daytona unless you 'are someone'.
That’s the same boyz
Hype
And dangle a cherry
Out of thousands of other fine watches out there and all you do is ask for a Daytona or a Submariner (yawn) then more fool you. You are just being a sheep and the AD's can instantly tell you are easy to scam into playing their game to feed into the grey market.
I never bought what I did not want ang got 3 SS Professionals but not a Daytona. It's also about building the right relationship with the AD@@andywmoffat
Yup same game. Same players.
Where is the wold's smallest violin?
this is what Salomondrin talked years ago, btw great video!
The reason that these dealers can continue to do so is because Porsche, the brand you love, doesn't really care about you, the customers. It is that simple.
They are in business to make money and they have this down to a fine art!
No the reason they can do this is because people put up with this sort of crap to buy the cars that porsche dangles in front of them. People with self respect wouldn't buy 10 cars they don't want just to buy one car they do want.
Stop being a brand loyalist. If we pull our money from porsche then they will be straight with us.
As long as you remain loyal to a brand and give them your money they will screw you over. Aaple does it, Samsung does it, and farari and porsche are doing it.
@@nicerides9224nicely put 👌
Maybe in the uk but not in germany. We do such dealership tests since 30years here in germany and expose them on TV. Porsche dealers are always the best of all! While Audi and BMW always the worst.
7:09 yeah man ! Should have asked WHY DO I NEED TO BUY OTHER CARS TO BUY THE CAR I WANT 😂
See you next Tuesday. Lol, love that.
I think this has gone over alot of people's heads😂
Porsche says they don't like the flippers, and all that. but if that is the case they should not build limited production models, they should build to order and not artificially limit the numbers. I know they are special and have a lot of hands on production, unlike the run of the mill 992 Carrera which is mostly built by robots. But still am sure they can build more than they do.
Fascinating summary, thank you. I understand that some golden customers are allocated cars on the basis that they sell back to dealer after some period, losing no money, hence laundering the car for dealer profit, whilst the favoured customer enjoys new cars without depreciation. What a system!
The quality of your content is truly professional. From concept, to writing, to filming and final product. Amazing job.
Luxury brands like Hermes do this too. To be allowed to buy a Birkin bag you need to spend loads on "lesser" bags and accessories. And you won't get to choose color or material either. It's far easier and more economical to buy used but... you know... it's not the same, so people still run on the hamster wheel.
Luck for me, I won’t ever have this problem. 😂
Love these 'exposing the industry' videos Mark. Your taking your channel to another level, similar to 'Jayemm', exposing everything too. Fab insight. 🤗 💯👍
Sounds like Rolex to me 🤣
Any high end watch brand even.
There's better and more exclusive watch's.
Why buy a Rolex when most folk think you bought it from a bloke in Camden Market...
Honestly it’s not - Porsche dealers are actively buying GT3RS and sharing in the scalping profits
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. J o h n 3 :16
That’s exactly what it is. Took them a while to catch on but it’s the same scam. Which they know doesn’t matter to the wealthy. They want what they want and will pay what ever they have to.
Wow! That was educational!
Approved pre-owned GT3 RSs would be the best bet. Finding a config that you kinda like and going with it. Yes, you're going to pay a MASSIVE premium above what the car would cost at MSRP but at the end of the day you're going to spend less money than you would buying a shit ton of cars to build a rep with your dealership to MAYBE be able to order your own config. From my understanding a lot of dealers have in stock cars (new) that you can buy as well but they might reserve those as well.
Just got to the part of the vid where the dealer talks about what I've said as well XD
I watched the same thing happen with Ferrari back when I was buying exotics. My dealership, even though I had purchased 2 Californias, a 430, and an F12, would not spec me a 458 Aperta. And the manager is and was a great friend. He was just doing what he was told. I later found out that they actually rejected one of the stars of the L.A. Lakers for the same car because his portfolio wasn't impressive enough. It's mind blowing. But, they all do it and customers continue to pay the overs.
Gosh, I don't blame the dealership so much as I blame the stupidity of the consumers.
A fool and their money are soon parted.
I bet you posted this from your iPhone.
@@yinyangsaladgang8789what’s your point
@@yinyangsaladgang8789 I bet you posted this from your iPhone.
Great video but man the UK looks so grey and depressing. Shout out from Singapore, keep up the good work!
Ex Porsche sales person here. 992 GT3RS as well as other special models are low supply for a reason.
The reality is a majority of dealers already have their VIP clients set up and don’t want to worry about taking outsiders that don’t want to play the game.
If everyone had them it wouldn’t be special. Not saying it’s right but it all comes down to money and customer loyalty. Dealers want to guarantee the money stays within their wheelhouse.
I had many “VIP clients” over the years and couldn’t get them allocations. Not only do you have to have the right buyer but also the right person within the dealership to make something happen.
Crazy bonkers world we live in. Its just a car, a very good one, but just a car. Thanks for exposing such a ridiculous money making scam. Amazes me that there are people with so much money they don't even mind being treated like a mug!