This devastating Aikido throw is found in judo's self defence system
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- čas přidán 13. 05. 2024
- This video discusses the Aikido technique called "Irimi Nage", and its self defence purposes.
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The Irimi nage can be used a a devastating throw. I taught it to a woman who owned a farm who felt very vulnerable after her husband died, and was attacked by a man and she used it on him. However, the throw isn't just in Aikido/Judo, it came from Daito Ryu (a Jujutsu school) a school that the founder of Aikido was a master in. I was in a school of Jujutsu based of Daito Ryu.
Amazing
I demonstrated this technique recently with some non-Aikidoka mid-teenagers. Iriminage was very effective, and it chains well with my favorite defensive response of getting behind my attacker. I gave them a few retries so that they could try and counter the technique, and they tried protecting their heads and necks, but in essence I'm not striking so much as guiding them to the floor, and their defenses didn't help. At one point, to soften the impact, I interrupted my partner's backwards fall and I turned against his fall, flipping him over to half-pin him face-down while controlling his straightened arm. This technique just gave me total control to neutralize my attacker without causing injury. No choke required.
0:35 we have that same technique in Yang tai chi. It looks all mystical, but in reality it’s just physics at work.
It works on a same principle as a master carpenter. He’s not using the hammer with his hand, he’s just settled into the floor by being relaxed so the energy goes from the ground all the way up into the hammer, and that’s how he plants the nail in the wood with one shot with almost no effort.
It’s the exact same thing with the throw.
what we have to realise here is the true purpose of these techinques at their point of origin ; simply sword culture most of the techniques in aikido and judo kata are defence against the blade . the grabbing of hands first was to stop the sword being drawn by the opponent and thus a pre-emptive attack before they can dispatch the sword . Most of the hand strikes in aikido are based on the sword directions and strikes ; example in Aikido , yokomen uchi ( side strike ) and shomen uchi ( overhead strike ) and also tzuki , a punch to the abdomen replacing a stab strike . Judo also wouldv'e gone through this transitiion from the it's jui-jitsu days just as aikido from aikidojutsu days of the samurai in Hokkaido in north Japan . all techinques tested on the battlefield before the Meji restoration of 1868 , with possible exception of The Satsuma rebellion . But basically all self defence was against the sword at close quarters . keep up the good work Chadi I have enjoyed your videos for years . very imformative :) Kano often sent kodokan student to the Hombu Dojo of Usheshiba to learn techinques . kenji Tomiki was one of the Judoka who went and never came back and developed a sport Aikido Tomiki style which involves competition using straw/ wooden baton s representing a knife blade .
I have done iriminage twice in real life while working as hospital security.
The first was a suicidal patient attempting to escape. I was in the hallway when the patient came walking towards me with medical staff following behind. One of the nurses yelled to me what was happening and I moved to block the patient. He tried to stiff arm me out of the way. I parried his arm and took him down with an irimnage very similar to the Judo kata Chadi showed. Instead of finishing with strikes I went to a mount and the medical staff helped me flip the patient belly down and handcuff him.
The second time the throw was more like the classic Aikido throw. A crazy person came into the hospital and started destroying the women's bathroom in the emergency department waiting room, he was ripping things off the wall while screaming incoherently, all of this with the lights off. He was not a patient, though I am sure the psychiatric section would have loved him.
I opened the door, saw the damage and promptly told the crazy guy to leave. As a security guard I could not detain him, only stop him from doing damage. The crazy guy walked past me and started moving towards the men's bathroom.
I stuck my arm out to bar his path. The crazy guy grabbed my arm with both of his and started pulling me towards him. I placed my free hand on the small of his back and stepped through with an iriminage backed by my body weight and him pulling on me. The crazy guy went over backwards, not in a nice fall, but more like a chopped down tree. He then got back up told me to perform an act of self love on myself and threw a sign at me as he left the waiting room and ran off into the night. The cops of course never caught him.
You know it's funny to me that so many MMA/BJJ and other sport martial arts guys will talk trash on Aikido, but then I hear from law enforcement and security that they love Aikido. My father used both Iriminage and Kotegaeshi many many times and they were some of the first things he ever taught me. There is a time and place for everything.
@@JustSomeGuy69420 that said I used quit a bit of jiu-jitsu working security as well. I just generally got the guy to the ground using Aikido techniques.
@@Aikibiker1aikido and jiu jitsu seems to mesh like peanut butter and jam.
@@Aikibiker1 Did you have other Aikido techniques you used?
@@JustSomeGuy69420 yes I found kotegaeshi, sankyo, ikkyo, and rokyo/hiji jime useful at times. The trick to using any of them was to get them in before the patient knew the fight had started. Think a sucker punch, but with grappling and harmony with the universe.
A few notes:
1) it is known as a dangerous technique to practise as it can result over time in brain injuries similar to boxers! That's despite them knowing how to fall and falling on a mat!
2) from what I can tell, you have the best control when you get under the chin or nose. Basically drive first 45 degrees up and then 45 down. That's the tricky part. In other words you run into your opponent and keep the forward momentum going but at the same time move the arm up and down to tilt first the head and then make him fall.
3) It's probably not the best throw in unarmed combat, but it makes more sense if a weapon is involved be it that he has a bat and you close in and trap his weapon arm, or that you have a gun and end up in a grappling scenario and don't want to drop your weapon...
this technique is found in silat but they do not have a specific name for it. The concept is "beset" which just means "heel drag"
the hand behind the back is to block rotation, and kind of keep them from stepping back with their lead leg. It is followed immediately by stepping your leg behind theirs. Orientation doesnt have to be exact. The upper body can be anything that tips their head or shoulders perpendicular to their spread feet. Then you drag your heel back through their leg and they spin like a wheel.
You can actually practice this very fast, safely, by rotating inward with your pushing arm. They "fall", but onto your body, where you can keep them from hitting the ground by just applying pressure and friction across your bodies.
It is consisered a day-one skill in my system- they just dont teach you the diagram its based on, "Pantjar Sliwa", for a good while longer.
This is a very simple technique in theory. You are treating their hip as the spoke of a wheel, and just turning their head and leg around it.
Tremendous as always
Somewhere (I don't remember the source) I read that originally Irimi nage was a neck breaking technique rather than a throw. It was changed for safety, but I think Kisshomaru Ueshiba still taught the original version to a select group of advanced disciples.
In Iwama ryu school (following Saito Sensei) it is explained like that, and worked on like that on high dan grades (5th/6th), as part of the oyowaza program (techniques applied to personal defense, the hard, short, direct and brutal way). Obviously is not trained on full mode on class, but you work on the drill to be able to apply it in case you need it, changing positions from the "learning program irimi nage" to be able to inflict full damage.
@@dote780That’s how we are with Chinese forms. Practice the body breaking stuff in mid air with drilling forms and adjusting them so you don’t hurt your partner.
Correct
It is a neck breaking technique. there is a variation where you put your hand at the lower back to create a lever so that it would be more damaging
A lot of people miss that it is a two part technique. The first part of the Ura movement is to throw the person to the ground, many dojos don’t know or practice in this way. The final throw is after recovery from the first attempt.
Both aikido founder (morihei ueshiba) and judo founder (jigoro kano) first learned the roots of old style jujutsu in their early childhood which then later each of them develop and create their own styles and methods of the art that known today as Aikido and Judo. So no wonder there are lots of similarities in their basic techniques.🙏🏻
Wow! Blast from the past. This was one of the first moves I was shown during my brief time in Aikido.
Ueshiba's disciples tanked so hard for him.
His omoto kyo cult members were also his aikido students, so they were conditioned to tank hard during his demos.
It's insane watching that clip. Doesn't even resemble other forms of Aikido.
If you are really interested you should read about the history of Aikido. You will understand why it became the way it did. Ueshiba was a decorated Veteran of The Russo-Japanese War. Ueshiba learned Jujutsu, Spear, Jo and Sword from his Family and various Dojos growing up. He was known for his skill with the bayonet. The defeat of Japan in WWII broke him and changed his attitude towards violence and warfare. Ueshiba was at heart a Nationalist, even though Japan was involved in some atrocious war crimes.
I was stationed in Japan and trained at the Hombu Dojo many times. I agree with you, late stage Aikido and modern Aikido are watered down as a Martial Art. It's more like a moving meditation with joint locks and throws. However, Aikido still has techniques that Judo abandoned, which are effective if applied properly. I used many of these control holds while working as a Police Officer. You can still find some old school Aikido Dojos in Japan, I trained at such a place when I was stationed in Sasebo which is a tiny town in Kyushu.
@@stevezy4772 I was only vaguely aware of his history but yes I assumed that his military experience and then that whole nuclear weapon thing probably turned him into a pacifist... as it would a lot of people. Am I wrong to think that most if not all of the techniques in Aikido existed prior to Ueshiba in more practical forms, and he basically modified them to be an embodied human metaphor for his pacifist/utopian ideals?
@@stevezy4772 This pre and post war Aikido is totally nonesense. There are even videos of him in 1935. His Aikido there didnt look different.
No his students didnt fall for him. And by far not all of his Aikido disciples shared his religion. Its sad how many people talk shit about something they dont know anything about.
Hi Chadi, I it is also in old school Okinawan karate.
Do you mean Kubi-Wa or a different technique?
It is surely just a similar technique. Karate has no connection with Ju Jutsu, therefore with Aikido.
Mechanics are the same. The human body can only work in only so many ways and has the same anatomical weaknesses. Jujutsu influenced the growth and direction of karate. Starting with Kano Jigoro Otsuka Hironori and Konishi Yasuhiro.
Chadi have you done anything in kissaki kai karate and vince Morris? He shows a throw thats you can't execute without droping your opponent on their head. I think its derived from ju jitsu after all the majority' of japanese martial arts ows its linage to it?
Most Irimi Nage I get in sparring is essentialy reversed Koshi Guruma, my friend also did an irimi nage variant in amateur mma, great techniaue and concept!
Also the knee tap as you mentioned - czcams.com/users/shorts7JmkDBBfw6U?si=mmnYCnn7ZFZMAEcv
By far, this is one of the techneques ive used the most in BJJ. Rarely from standing, but when things turn into a scramble on the ground, i almost always win the scamble by immediately taking control of the head just like this. The hips and shoulder with the head control offbalance them so well
Nice! IMO, Irimi Nage = Osoto Gari but instead of sweeping the bottom out you push the top down. The setup, the deep step, the “wind up” is all the same.
In some applications, yes. However, there is more to the applications mechanics and its variations. Chadi is 💯 correct with the bicep at 45' for Aikido / Aikijujutsu/ Jujutsu/ Judo. Kenpo also has a variation but striking with the elbow. Watch for the kidney strike and follow through in Aikijutsu / Jujutsu.
Is irimi nage in the koryu kata? I don't remember ever learning it.
@@nappyheaded Kuzushi aka Naga no kata/koryu dai Ichi, ni have Irimi Nage… note: the versions I learned are from the 1950s so I’m not sure what the JAA or SAF are doing now.
I was thinking that it's basically the upper body action of osoto gari, without the leg reap and with that misdirection at the start. It might work against an untrained attacker but anyone who knows a thing about grappling is not gonna get thrown from that with both their feet on the ground.
OldSchool Shotokan Karate has a variation on the same technique
The techniques work brilliantly if combined with strikes, or if the guy is a fish.
What is the art toward end with red/white belts, seated irimiNage?
Judo
An aikidoka in Colombia ended in jail for murder for applying this technique in a robbery .
Onde está a notícia ou o vídeo?
It's a dangerous technique for sure. Is there an article or video of this?
isnt it the same principle of osoto gari?, but with a very specific set up
Wow so there is competitive aikido
please make an response Video to armchair violence newest Video ( Judo sucks ) !!!!!
watching this and I couldn't help thinking that the position to use this practically in a self defense situation is to use this similar to the check hook in boxing. but instead of punching your "hooking" the head and turning it into a throw. this would be ideal when your in a defensive position, opponent is coming in and you step back to the throw the check hook or in this case the grab the neck for the throw. Does anyone else see what I'm seeing?
I get it. Especially when you have good technique. The footwork and philosophy of the check hooks usage can be applied well in this case
Aikido has competitions and sparring??
Seria bueno que pusieras en español latino ; no subtitulado .
Because it's all the same.
Peace, it should never be a surprise to find Aikido techniques in Judo. Both systems have a common ancestor which is Jujutsu.
What do you do when your OLD in martial arts???
Invent something without fighting,, becase you cant win a fight.😊😅😂
The technique itself is not practiced or applied properly and the whole Aikido is a joke.
Who tries to hold someone arm in a fight? Lets say one holds arm firmly, why should he wait? Aikido is beaituful when there is a complying opponet.
Don't confuse demonstration of concepts with application. If you go watch BJJ or Judo demonstrations you can pick those apart too if you really want to. All kinds of people grab and shove. One example I can think of is a cop fighting with a suspect over his gun. Most people aren't trained. That actually doesn't mean they're not dangerous either. But also, every grappler out there grabs people. Wrist grabs, bicep ties, collar ties, gripping the collar. Have you ever had iriminage done to you? Of all the Aikido techniques to have a problem with, iriminage is a weird one to pick.
Obviously, you didn't see the competition part of the video or chose to ignore it, so you bless us with this gem of a comment.
I thought BJJ and wrestling is all grabs.
I honestly can't take Aikido seriously....
Imagine my distress.
Stereotyped brain
You give aikido, a phony martial art, too much credit. Many systems have a version of this technique; heck, even pro wrestling.🤣