Greatest Album Bombs- Part 1 (w/Martin Popoff)
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 2. 09. 2021
- Join Pete Pardo & Martin Popoff for part 1 of a discussion of some of the great album bombs in rock history.
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3:30 ZZ Top- Recycler
8:09 KISS - Music from "The Elder"
11:58 New York Dolls - Self Titled Debut
17:45 Toto - Isolation
22:34 Aerosmith - Nine Lives
29:12 Asia - Alpha
34:32 Hagar Schon Aaronson Shrieve - Through the Fire
39:15 Yes - Union
43:47 Judas Priest - Ram It Down
49:20 Whitesnake - Slip of the Tongue
Two Words: Hot Space
Peter Frampton I'm in you was a pretty big bomb after Frampton comes alive.
I was gonna mention that but there's song on it I really still like but was a bomb
Yup, Iâm In You my pick for greatest bomb ever!
Agreed, I thought it was a monumental bomb.
You lost me at, I watched CNN all day. But I still watched because I love you guys.
That Yes Union tour was badass, though! In Bill Bruford's documentary, he says that Rick Wakeman used to jokingly refer to that album as "Onion" because, he would say, "it'll make you cry."
Pete, love your show. I've been watching since 2019, and have collected a lot of albums you've recommended. Keep on doing what you're doing ! Thanks !
I discovered this channel because of Martin Popoff and enjoyed this conversation a lot. Cheers to both of you!â€ïž
"IVE HAD CNN ON FOR TWO DAYS"....lol. poor guy
Been away from the channel for a period. Great first video back. Loads to catch up on. Superb work again chaps!!
Another interesting topic. Iâve said this before. But watching your episodes has been such a great escape into someplace positive with all this Covid and other BS Iâm the world. I really look forward to checking out your channel each day
great show! love to watch you guys talking bout all those great or not so great bands of the past. thereÂŽs always something to discover that I didnÂŽt know before!
Some great choices from both Martin and Pete! Catching up on videos I missed during vacation.
The Cult - Ceremony
Awesome album with a lot of hype that went right to the cut-out bins.
I love that you always share the weather report at the beginning. :)
Thank you, âPeteâ and âMartinâfor your opinions, about the greatest album bombs. I enjoyed listening and watching to this conversation. I will tune in next time.
All the damn time.
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53:14 that should be on a T-shirt đ
"They make me mad even hearing them in my head"
Thank You Pete another great show today !
Just want to say I appreciate Martin. Enjoy his perspective. Thank you Martin!!
His Heavy Metal ratings guide is one of my favorite books of all time-check it out.
@@craigusselman546 thank you
Great show as always. Though, I would argue, that any album that went platinum, no matter how much albums before that made more, is immediately disqualified from being considered a "Bomb".
Agreed
Cool show as always Pete I also never missed an episode of forgotten classics. The underrated bands show was cool . Martin the Hounds are super cool blast from the past.
This is a GREAT topic. I love how we all have differences as well as agreements with our musical choices. I love HSAS & Big Generator; like Music of the Elder & Union. I bought Ram It Down and was disappointed as well. Music is beauty in the EARS of the beholder.đ
I love how in this clip Pete sets up his picks with a little bit of suspense.
You have to admit the KISS t-shirt and his intro to his 'Elder' send-up was kind of a giveaway for those of us who saw it coming.
@@johnpatterson4272 Totally sword coming, but I like how he builds up his pics first and waits to show the album covers.
@@sabyrk It's a nice touch. I appreciate the way these vloggers get right into the topic. No meaningless banter that goes on for 20 minutes.
Great episode guys! âïžđšđŠâ€ïž
I agree with you, Pete. I love the Hagar, Schon, Aaronson & Shrieve album. Such great playing and vocals on that record.
I know this is a sensitive topic, but I appreciate the fact that Pete never bites for the political. I noticed that Martin can jump on a soapbox from time to time but I appreciate Pete not touching that and sticks to the topic at hand which is appreciating music.
100% same. Sad to know Popoff is a climate change nut. Still enjoy his music commentary though. Stick to the music and I'm good.
Is climate change political ?
@@downpeninsula ummm yeah.
@@chrisman3965 I havenât heard anything about that, howâs he a climate change nut?
â@@downpeninsula That's all it is.
Fun show! Great discussion and factoids thrown in. Looking forward to a part 2!
Iâm pretty sure the total album sales for the self titled âWhitesnakeâ is almost closer to 20 million copies. Maybe closer to the 16 million markâŠ? And this video will only help the artists get more their do! Thank you both for your love of music!!!!
When The Raspberries album "Fresh" peaked at # 36 on Billboard Top 200 Album Charts in January 1973, their classic next album "Side 3" went to # 128 in October 1973.
Recycler went platinum-that's a massive hit, relative to ZZ Top's entire catalogue.
Deep Purple - SLAVES AND MASTERS
Jethro Tull - UNDER WRAPS
Gentle Giant - GIANT FOR A DAY
Genesis - CALLING ALL STATIONS
Pink Floyd - UMMAGUMMA
Ram It Down (1988) has 2 EXCELLENT songs: Ram It Down and Blood Red Skies, 1 great song: Hard As Iron (criminally underrated) and 2 good songs: Heavy Metal and I'm a Rocker (very catchy).
Blood Red is one of their heaviest songs! Love that one!
Really enjoyed this. Very interesting.
This is fairly outside of the music usually covered on SOT, but in 1980, Earth, Wind, & Fire (who, at their best, were an *incredible* funk/soul/R & B/jazz band!) released a double album titled "Faces." Even many of their fans didn't buy it-- and they seriously missed out, because that album both *rocks and grooves* and is lyrically thoughtful too. "Faces" is the great "lost" EWF album, but it should be rediscovered!
I hear ya...
Incredible album!
I've never been a big fan of Toto but I loved Stranger in Town as a kid and just noticed recently that the opening riff goes in six, verse is in seven, bridge in four and chorus in five. And it just flows perfectly without you even noticing the changing time-signatures.
The verse is not in 7, it has two bars of 4 and one of 6. The chorus is also not in 5. Also the opening riff is three bars of 4, not two bars of 6.
@@davedagreat69 Well that's just nitpicking. I seem to snap my fingers half slower than you and that's why your 14 is 7 to me and your 12 is 6. You probably count the chorus as 4+4+2 that equals 10 and I count it in half-time compared and that's why get 5. The point still is that the time signatures change throughout the song without you really noticing. I've done classical training and music theory 40 years ago but I like to count the rhythm in a way that feels more natural to me.
Great job guys!
"Stranger in Town" was a top-40 single at the time and got some decent airplay. One of my favorite Toto songs. I have yet to go through their catalogue, but look forward to it.
Upon release, I thought "Isolation" was going to break the record for most Top 40 hits on an album....pop/rock perfection. I was WAY off but the cd never gets too far from me.
Nice video. graphics, the research. And funny.
Nice and interesting show...Need to do another one about this topic.
That's why it's titled 'Part 1'...
Great episode. Would be interesting to the counterpoint to this theme - biggest surprises! Albums nobody expected to explode - but they did. Right place right ie. thing. Frampton Comes Alive, OK Computer, Tubular Bells as examples.
I agree with Martin's insights on The Dolls....both great albums
This kind of a Velvet Underground scenerio.
HSAS was a killer record !
Some of the greatest Neal Schon guitar playing you will ever hear !
Love He Will Understand
HSAS will ALWAYS bring the rock-absolutely killer Schon riffs and solos with Hagar's stellar voice and stellar rhythm section........this album was a nice surprise for me at the time and I am now going to play it today until my drywall blisters! Great mention!
@@treffbennett6534 Hell yeah Treff đ„
Totally agree. I wasnât a Sammy Hagar or Journey fan at the time, but I loved this record. Oddly enough, Sammy Hagar fans in my town never had record.
Wished they re-release this with the unreleased music.
Great shout-out to "Isolation," Pete. Reading his book, Lukather seems to think of this one as the odd duck in their career and that Fergie was kind of an unfortunate fall guy. Thanks also Martin for mentioning "Through the Fire." I have heard that Hagar and Schon actually did try to make a second go of it in the early 2000's but didn't really have the chemistry to come up with good songs and they aborted it.
My picks: Stone Roses "Second Coming." It took them five years to follow up their amazing debut album and by then they were eclipsed by Britpop bands imitating them (looking at you, Oasis). I saw that tour - Ian Brown and John Squire were openly, drunkenly arguing on stage.
Metallica "Load" - I don't think the self-titled album was a sellout, the prog metal they did on AJfA had run its course. On the other hand, with this one, I knew it was trouble when every DJ on every station I listened to in both the Bay Area and Southern California would qualify the first single to death "this is real different," "take some time to get used to it," etc.
Roger Waters "Is This the Life We Really Want?" Fine album that no Floyd fan I know has been willing to touch. It's a shame as this is powerful, mature work. At the same time, maybe everything that can be polarizing about Waters - the sparse production, the nasal voice, the strident nature of his anti-war and left-wing views on and off his records - just wasn't drawing anyone in.
Love watching the both of you
Toto got a new singer for âIsolationâ. Thats a big reason why it flopped. Pete does make a good point about skipping years in the 80âs. Late 70âs arena rock was still selling in 1982 but not in 1984. Except for Foreigner. They actually did have a great comeback in 1984.
Martin Popoff! Great guest.
Glad to see you guys are fine.
We had a bit of it here in Glen Burnie, Maryland. Tons of rain when I hit the highway to work, pretty tricky. Some roofs had blown off, but overall we didnât get the worst.
'"New York Dolls" is one of the greatest rock albums of the '70s, or of *any* decade. The fact that it wasn't commercially successful may partially be due to just how "proto-punk" it is, musically-- a *truly* wild, rocking, and very fun, album! It's so untamed and invigorating! Todd Rundgren captured the raw, rocking sound of the band without watering it down or polishing it up too much. A classic album!
I need to check that out. My view aligned with Martinâs in the sense that I know the New York Dolls, I know the band and I perceive them as a famous influential band- and then I realise I donât know any of their music. Theyâre on the list but I got the new Maiden today to listen to đ
@@jimmycampbell78 New Maiden *definitely* must be heard! I've been a fan since '83 and still love 'em! :-) The Dolls were not a metal band in any way, but still great, in a very different way. Hard rocking, barroom-bluesy wildness, with a punk edge, before punk really existed. Good stuff!
The Cars - Door To Door
Journey - Raised On Radio
Bad Company - Rough Diamonds
Genesis - Calling All Stations
Kiss - Unmasked
On the Union tour ,they did Lift Me Up,Shock to the System and Saving My Heart.
When I saw the Rabin Wakeman Anderson version of Yes,they also did Lift Me Up.
The Union album was a letdown, but I gladly caught the tour in Toronto and was very impressed, especially with how I got to see Bruford,awake man, and Howe up on stage which I never thought Iâd see at the time, not to mention witnessing the ever awesome Chris Squire.
the dolls were great , bought both albums on release , saw them live back then once in south jersey and once in philly . great both times .
I agree 100% with you, Peter! Isolation = fantastic album!
I love John Wetton, but many years ago I came to that realization that what he really wanted was to be a pop star. I remember reading at the time that he was thoroughly PO'd at his record label (EG) when they didn't promote his 1980 album "Caught In the Crossfire" in the UK and wouldn't even release it in the US (it finally appeared six years later). It was more mainstream, and their rationale was supposedly that he was "too old" to be a teen idol (it's by far his best solo album IMO). When Asia happened, I immediately thought it was a direct result of this slight. He pretty much turned his back on prog from that point on, and it seems like he spent most of the Asia days and subsequent solo career trying to prove the naysayers wrong.
@Blackadder I actually didn't mind that one, though it didn't really suit his vocal range. Once DB started singing the background vocals it sounded like Heep again. I think it was part of the deal he made to play on the album that he got to sing one song. Did the same with Wishbone Ash.
I was 16 when Whitesnake '87 came out, loved it. 2 years later, I hear Fool For Your Loving and I'm " Never mind, think I'll listen to Great White's " ...Twice Shy" album front to back for the third time this week..."
It was interesting to find out how disunified 'Union' really was.
Some of my favorite "bombs" (in no particular order, just off the top of my head)
Styx: Kilroy was Here - Aerosmith: Just Push Play - Metallica: St. Anger - Judas Priest: Nostradamus - Iron Maiden: Virtual XI - Deep Purple: House of the Blue Light - Motley Crue: Generation Swine - Van Halen: |||
Peter Frampton âIâm in Youâ..... HUGE flop
Had never heard HSAS. Very cool! Reminds pieces of Van Halen, UFO and Def Leppard.
Next albums deserves more love imo:
Tygers of Pan Tang: The Cage
Reo Speedwagon: Good Trouble
Foreigner: Usual Heat
Demon: The Plaque
Bad Company: Dangerous Age
Strangways: And the Horse
Tyketto: Shine
Journey: Arrival
Boston: Walk On
Asia: Astra
Night Ranger: Feeding of the Mojo
Saxon: Innocence is no Excuse
Twisted Sister: Love is for Suckers
100% agree with Toto: Isolation
Good list. How about Golden Earring's "N.E.W.S." (1984) I remember the video "When the Lady Smiles" played once on MTV. A follow up bomb to the popular album "Cut" which had "Twighlight Zone"
960th thumbs up from me. Peace out from the Southern Tip of Vancouver Island, B.C. CANADA
Good show ⊠thanks. My call, Black Crowes , southern harmony to Amorica - great album , but the cover killed it.
100% even the censored version. they had a chance to present an awesome jacket and blew it.
Maybe a little beyond the purview of this channel, but I have to mention Discharge-"Grave New World". A huge stylistic change and massive bomb for the band.
I just re-listened to this a few days ago. Still makes me cringe. :)
Great idea for a topic. I Actually Loved Yes Big Generater and Union, the later said tour was REALLY Amazing! I feel blessed to have seen it in the fifth row BTW!! 3 Bombs that I can think of off of the bat is Genesis "We can't Dance" & Iron Maiden "Fear of the Dark".. Both are real duds to me. I guess another is RUSH "Counterparts", which I LOVE, though this is RUSH and I am bias! One more is Heart "Bebe Le'Strange" and "Passionworks" after "Dog and Butterfly". Honerable Mention is the Disaster SuperGroup called "GTR"
Travelling Wilburys Vol 3 - Some googling shows it sold well but seems largely forgotten these days.
I dig that album. Well both their albums.
David Bowie Glass Spider tour comes to mind.
Agree Pete about isolation, brilliant album, and does top Toto 4 imo as well đđ»
Enjoyed this show alot..I do remember Frampton Comes Alive which sold millions followed by I'm In You which was so awful it's hard to believe they even released it..
I have always loved the Elder, that being said. Dynasty, Unmasked and The elder are my favourite Kiss albums đ
Iâll have what youâre smoking! đ
I loved all three of those albums, when they were released, and I love them, now, decades later. I was very much a fan of the early hard rock sound of Kiss, but I loved it when they experimented musically too. They are very underrated as songwriters. The big stage shows, with the theatrics, were cool and fun, but the songs kept me returning to them as a fan.
Odyssey Save your love and Easy as it seems are my favourites songs of these three masterpieces..
The Elder has always been one of my faves as well, one of the prime examples of people hating it due to its reputation - like, you have to hate it because apparently everyone else does.
And Dynasty is another misconception, the "disco" album...yeah, because 2 of the tracks are somewhat disco-influenced. But X-Ray Eyes? Save Your Love? Some of the heaviest Kiss-stuff up to that point. Great album.
They're quite good compared to the newer albums.
Pete - Would like to hear your take on a common factor to many of the albums that were so formulaic and contrived. That is John Kalodner. He was the man behind the scenes on so many of those late '80s corporate recordings. His fingerprints are very evident
Prince - Under The Cherry Moon
Led Zeppelin - Presence (Compared to Physical Graffiti)
Guns-N-Roses - Chinese Democracy
Nirvana - In Utero
In Utero imo was awesome some super heavy stuff on there .
i totally love the elder did then and now.
To be fair to ZZ Top, it was incredible that a blues band could get any platinum selling albums.
Were their platinum albums "Blues"...or the MTV stuff? Ok, just looked. A couple of their earlier ones , Fandango & Deguello eventually hit Platinum; one had "Tush" & the other had "Cheap Sunglasses".
@@jazzpunk Ohhhh I hated the "Six Pack" remixes! đ€ź They touted at the time that the old mixes were not going to be available anymore! Grrrrrrrrr đĄ
And rock too
Glad Martin addressed the NY Dolls. Those two albums are probably in my top ten favorites. As you might have guessed, Iâm a huge fan of The Dolls, Thunders, Buster,etc. I saw the original lineup only once. Memorable to say the least. They never had a broad fan base , great record sales. It was a surprise that they were even nominated for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I donât lose any sleep over it. They may get in eventually but who cares.I canât deny the fact that they were hyped but a lot of us who hung out in the Village new them. Maybe the look of the band turned off a lot of folks but the music was exciting - even the cover choices were great.
My thoughts exactly. Leave it to Martin to bring up some of my favorite bands and put that bewildered look on Pete's face.
Just here for the weather updates lolâŠjust kidding great show
To paraphrase, a success has a thousand parents, but failure is often disowned. But, I have also noticed that some albums undergo a revision, and grow in acclaim over time.
Monster of Rock. The only JP song I can't abide! Turbo, lyrics aside, has great production, hooks, arrangements, playing and writing.
Same type of situation as Toto-Isolation was The Tubes "Love Bomb" album. Their biggest selling album "Outside/Inside" from 83 contained "She's A Beauty" and then 2 years later Todd Rundgren produced a strange yet catchy follow-up that did NOT sell. People have said over the years that there was some evidence of band ambivalence towards the record company. Which resulted in them being dropped by Capitol Records.
Both Outside and Love Bomb are great albums. Outside is much less Tubesque but very good nonetheless in a classic rock way. Love Bomb is hyper creative FM rock. The hyper creative side of it is the Tubesque ( and Rundgrenesque ) side.
Just like to add to the analysis of the failure of the Toto follow up. Back in those days (70âs & 80âs) we used to wait until we heard something from the album before we bought it, even if it followed up a smash. If no single appeared we may have asked around a bit. If nobody heard it, nobody bought it. Iâd also like to add that I loved the Cars first 2 albums and then heard the single Running to You and passed on the 3rd album. Years later I got a used copy for $1 and was amazed at how good it was. That stupid lead single might be why the record bombed!
Au contraire, back in the day I pretty much bought albums sight unseen , based on the artist/band..Radio hits were irrelevant...
Funny; Brendon Snyder calls "Recycler" his all-time favorite ZZ Top album. I saw them on that tour and it was a helluva show with a junkyard that kept recycling things. I think it was the last time they did big stage shows like that. Not my favorite ZZ Top album either, but fun memories of that show.
My personal favorite album is also Recycler.
Say what you will about Steve Vai fitting in, but he was amazing on David Lee Roth's Eat Em' and Smile. Kudos to DLR, Sheehan, Bissonette, and Harms, as well. Definitely one of the best hard rock albums of the 1980's.
Vai was playing with everyone under the sun in the 80âs.
Any fan of his should check out what got him the attention in the first place: His work with Frank Zappa! đ
Ditto "Skyscraper"
Steve and bluesy just don't go together.
That DLR solo band was incredible. They crushed Hagar's VH at the time in my opinion. Wish they stayed together longer.
I've always been a fan of Whitesnake's Slip of the Tongue album. To me it was the last classic sounding Whitesnake album, with 5 great songs: Slip of the Tongue, Fool For Your Loving '89, Now You're Gone, The Deeper The Love, and Judgement Day.
I like probably every song on that album except the two ballads.
Completely agree with Pete about Toto Isolation. Brilliant album. Endless had massive hit all over it.
They released four singles from this great album; "Stranger in Town" (Oct. 84)
, "Holyanna" (Jan 85), "How Does It Feel" (Feb 85), "Endless" (April 85).
@@LarryFleetwood8675 Change Of Heart could have been another
I am another lover of the Toto - Isolation album.
A hardcore prog guy, I was very "meh" about the "Asia" album when I first heard it on the radio- when I actually bought the album (on cassette, which meant I didn't really care about it) and got to the interior songs, my feelings grew- when the album became so popular, I was won over (I was overjoyed that the general public would find out what "real" music was- albeit thru baby steps).
The battle of balance between prog and pop is partly what sunk Asia. But a big part of the problem was Wetton's demons (alcoholism, which he addresses very well in some later work= solo and with Asia)- I saw the band on the Don't Cry tour and I thought the concert was terrible- I remember telling my girlfriend at the time "Something is really wrong with this band." Wasn't too long after that Greg Lake was brought in to replace Wetton on the tour.
When the original band reunite, my daughter dragged me to the show and I was shocked at how good it was- saw them many times after that. One thing, though- the band never did "Don't Cry" in it's "hit" arrangement in later years- until Howe left the band. Kind of think that was a touchy subject.
Love Wetton and if God told me I could have anyone's singing voice- I'd say "John Wetton or Greg Lake- surprise me." (Only because if you asked God for Sinatra"s voice, God would shrug his shoulders and say "Don't you think I wish I had his voice, too?"
"They make me mad even hearing it in my head." Wow Martin đ
It's funny hearing them report that the label was disappointed that an album only went platinum.
What's weird is Blackie Lawless stood in for Johnny Thunders in the New York Dolls final shows. He also played in post Dolls band, Killer Kane that featured Arthur Kane and Jerry Nolan.
I LOVE HSAS... got it when it came out, and think it's up with Montrose/Montrose as rockers... love it love it love it.
which reminds me - Montrose - Paper Plane..
Cant wait for the new ABBA album review
This was a one and done type thing. The 1978 soundtrack to the Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band. The hype was kinda strong. The performers included The Bee Gees, Peter Frampton, Aerosmith, Alice Cooper, Earth, Wind & Fire, Steve Martin, Billy Preston and George Burns (whose career was resurrected during this time period). George Martin produced the album. And, of course, it was Beatles' songs. But talk about laying an egg. It was a platinum plus return , meaning 4 million copies were returned by retailers.
The final scene is a Mash of Celebs - Saw this at movies, was a Big Bomb
@@AndrewCapobianco2014 Saw it three times. Loved it. Probably one of the hundred who did. Damn near killed the careers of the Bee Gees and Peter Frampton.
Oh, great pick! This whole debacle should be chapter one in the book " WHAT WERE THEY THINKING? " I believe if you see the soundtrack for sale and offer to "take it off their hands" YOU get cash and prizes. I use it to "remove crows" from their five a.m. meetings in trees outside my window.....AERODYNAMIC!
@@kennbrown4638 If you have HBO Max, check out the Bee Gees Documentary, Great Stuff, Great Footage of a Forgotten Time
Bob Dylan's "Self-Portrait" was an epic bomb.
Guns and Rose - Chinese Democracy
Black Sabbath - Technical Ecstasy
Metallica - Load
Good ones
Big Generator by Yes following up 90125 was such an anticlimax in general song quality and creativity.. Secondly Fleetwood Mac's Tusk after the success of Rumours. Everyone expected Rumours ll. In the record shop I worked in at the time, I would quietly warn my regulars to listen to Tusk before buying. Most didn't heed my warning and were very disappointed.
Love the concepts you guys come up with. Really interesting and engaging viewing,always look forward to what's coming up next. How's this for an idea....favorite EP's top ten?
If Martin ever gets worse at reviewing, will that be a Martin Dropoff? I'll walk myself out.
"Sir, you need to leave now."
@@MartinPopoff lol
@@MartinPopoff he has a point haha
Songs of innocence - U2. Their partnership with Apple was an absolute PR disaster as Bono's indulgences caught up with the band.
Slip of the tongue - Whitesnake. Overblown, micro-managed and though it had some great tracks (sailing ships, judgement day), it was couple of years too late.
Goodnight LA - Magnum. A desperate attempt to conquer America and nobody cared.
Crush - Bon Jovi. Came out around the same time as Maiden's Brave New World and compared poorly. They saw a million faces and bored them all.
Barf Jovi has ALWAYS bored me! Also, even David Coverdale doesn't like Slip of the Tongue. Can't blame him in the least!
Toto Isolation is a worthy follow-up to Toto IV. I like both albums plenty. Fergie Frederiksen who sadly passed away several years ago was a good fit for the band on that album. Poppy but still a bit more rocking than many of their other albums.
There is no solution for a non problem
Steve Vai canât be blamed for Slip of the Tongue. He was basically brought in as a hired gun to play Vandenbergâs parts. He didnât write any of the songs. Ironically, the best song from those sessions (Sweet Lady Luck) never made it on to the album but it was on their greatest hits album 5 years later.
I was 13 when HSAS came out. Vinyl came my way but it was largely ignored because Piece of Mind, Out Of The Cellar and Grace Under Pressure were spinning a lot...