What Became of Alice Todd? Schoolmate Molly Winn Tells of Her Capture by Comanches near San Saba, TX

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  • čas přidán 27. 05. 2024
  • In this episode we read from the December 11, 1941 issue of the San Saba News, where Mrs. Molly Winn tells of the kidnapping of her classmate, Alice Todd, by Comanches back in the winter of 1864-65. Mrs. Winn and Alice Todd were schoolmates at the school in San Saba. We also read some additional stories from "Indian Depredations in Texas," by J.W. Wilbarger.
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Komentáře • 101

  • @davidmuir7711
    @davidmuir7711 Před 29 dny +33

    Much obliged for this follow-up about Alice Todd. Y’know, it seems to me that for these German settlers to choose dealing with the bone-breaking hardships, privation, and Indian depredations of the skulking red murderers, well, it betokens me to wonder just how lousy was life in Germany that the homesteaders preferred taking their chances here in Comancheria?

    • @LongdistanceRider22
      @LongdistanceRider22 Před 17 dny +2

      They were surfs…. at least in America they could be landowners

    • @esmeraldagreen1992
      @esmeraldagreen1992 Před 15 dny +4

      Serfs, not surfs.

    • @esmeraldagreen1992
      @esmeraldagreen1992 Před 15 dny +2

      Random fact
      Mauritania " abolished" slavery in 1981, though the ban was not enforced, and many people continued to be held as slaves.

    • @LongdistanceRider22
      @LongdistanceRider22 Před 14 dny

      @@esmeraldagreen1992 thank you Esmeralda

    • @ellacarter1442
      @ellacarter1442 Před 10 dny +2

      Remember who were the original owners of the land

  • @dogparty-tt8qw
    @dogparty-tt8qw Před 29 dny +22

    What a rough way to live…

  • @justjosie1163
    @justjosie1163 Před měsícem +36

    Thank you again for telling our ancestors ' history and what they suffered through.

    • @user-lb3hd7ip4o
      @user-lb3hd7ip4o Před 16 dny +3

      YOU FORGET the native red Indian it was their Homeland not your Ancestors FACT.

    • @justjosie1163
      @justjosie1163 Před 16 dny

      @user-lb3hd7ip4o My ancestors won against the hostile Indians and built America out of what had only been a violent backwards stone age land. FACT.

    • @justjosie1163
      @justjosie1163 Před 15 dny +8

      ​@user-lb3hd7ip4o They lost despite their savagery. Get over it. FACTS

    • @justjosie1163
      @justjosie1163 Před 15 dny

      ​@@user-lb3hd7ip4o They lost! FACTS!!!

    • @lesliestopp9525
      @lesliestopp9525 Před 14 dny +1

      @justjosie1163
      You call it losing, I and many others would call it the genocide of the native people who, for thousands of years, predated the settlers that had a greed for the lands they inhabited. A very wise man once said the love of money, was the root of all evil.

  • @luisrobles0453
    @luisrobles0453 Před 29 dny +15

    I tell everyone I come across about this channel. Great channel and these stories should be told.

  • @timothyramsey7010
    @timothyramsey7010 Před 28 dny +12

    Poor Alice breaks your heart

  • @lambastepirate
    @lambastepirate Před měsícem +8

    Always a great story thanks.

  • @donnafletcher5386
    @donnafletcher5386 Před 22 dny +6

    Good to tell the truth since they seem to forget some of the Native Americans started the attacks.

  • @shawnaweesner3759
    @shawnaweesner3759 Před 23 dny +10

    Evil and good manifest within every race of people.

  • @Jackielocks
    @Jackielocks Před 25 dny +3

    Really interesting- so glad I came across your channel! ILove History and can’t believe how some people are trying to cancel the History that makes them a bit uncomfortable. We live in a world that is 3/4 lunatics..or so or seems some days lol Liked and Subscribed!

  • @spacey118
    @spacey118 Před měsícem +6

    The Todd line. How fascinating

    • @jakeroberts7435
      @jakeroberts7435 Před měsícem +4

      Yeah Lincoln said something like God made do with one D in his name but of course the Todds needed two, insinuating they thought highly of themselves.

    • @spacey118
      @spacey118 Před měsícem +3

      @@jakeroberts7435 hahaha now that insult has teeth

    • @jakeroberts7435
      @jakeroberts7435 Před 29 dny

      @@spacey118 I think Mary Todd's family came out of the Collins bloodline, and Linclone was a Rosicrucian, he was a man of many faces, an actor with handlers. Pinkerington of the all seeing eye being a major biggy in that field

    • @spacey118
      @spacey118 Před 29 dny +1

      @@jakeroberts7435 oh yes… going back to ruscomb and the killers

    • @spacey118
      @spacey118 Před 29 dny +1

      @@jakeroberts7435 also… I believe he code named his handlers cherry tree… not to be confused with apple pie

  • @alanice8087
    @alanice8087 Před 28 dny

    Thanks!

  • @michellejennings4259
    @michellejennings4259 Před 13 dny

    Good video

  • @Jennifer-pb9nd
    @Jennifer-pb9nd Před 26 dny +5

    your previous episode relayed that she was 6yo, and another telling of the story I believe stated she was 7yo. 14yo is really far off.

  • @tracietaylormaddocks7114

    Tracie Taylor
    Maddocks Again, I Totally
    Love Ur Program!!!
    Thank You ☺️

  • @cplmpcocptcl6306
    @cplmpcocptcl6306 Před 24 dny +2

    The Plaque for Todd Mountain shown, has Mrs Todd’s death 3 weeks after the attack. Not 5 days.🤷‍♀️

  • @user-zh8il6zh6o
    @user-zh8il6zh6o Před 19 dny +1

    It does snow in Texas,16in.and more, also blizzards come in the Panhandle

  • @josephpadula2283
    @josephpadula2283 Před měsícem +18

    Not a biologist but I know what a woman is .
    Anyway we need to find a genealogist to track other children Alice’s father had or trace her fathers family
    Then get DNA tests .
    Check Native American DNa on file to see if there are matches .
    Check with someone that knows how things work to see how statistically possible this is .
    You could solve the mystery .
    Stands with a fist ????

  • @karenhill3970
    @karenhill3970 Před 24 dny +2

    Pure evil ..

  • @bonnielucas3244
    @bonnielucas3244 Před 16 dny

    Todd name is in my family but it came over in 1881 from England with my great grandfather and he never lived west of eastern PA

  • @karenhill3970
    @karenhill3970 Před 24 dny +2

    Horrible really horrible im Texan ..and yes all this horror was true

  • @karenhill3970
    @karenhill3970 Před 24 dny +3

    Mean devil s

  • @karenhill3970
    @karenhill3970 Před 24 dny

    Cant listen anymore ..too sad im Texan

  • @bryantsnider3908
    @bryantsnider3908 Před měsícem +2

    There anything on tennessee

  • @karenhill3970
    @karenhill3970 Před 24 dny +4

    Can think of nothing worse than this im Texan and yes.....they were savages....🇨🇱😡

  • @user-uy5zf5ck2i
    @user-uy5zf5ck2i Před 7 dny

    Please get your facts right. You said that Mrs. Todd died 5 days after been severely wounded but the remembrance stone say it is about 3 weeks.

  • @lesliestopp9525
    @lesliestopp9525 Před 14 dny +8

    People seem to conveniently forget, that native American were captured and held as slaves too, along with the African-Americans. The Comanche and Kiowa had heard the stories that passed from tribe to tribe. They were prepared to resit the encroachment of settlers into their territory. It is well known that the Comanche were capable of great love towards the people they adopted into their tribe. They were also capable of fierce savagery against those not of their tribe. The point is, that we, the white settlers from the time we stepped our feet on the shores of this continent proved ourselves to be a brutal, lying, and greedy race

    • @sherylwilson865
      @sherylwilson865 Před 10 dny

      Lol, except the Mexicans were just as bad to the Apache and Comanche. You can't blame it all on the white eyes. None of the people are innocent of any of the atrocities.

  • @user-sn7pv3qy8s
    @user-sn7pv3qy8s Před 23 dny +2

    They were so courageous!!!!! And we, as modern day Americans, feel strongly put out when told to wear masks, temporarily, to avoid the deadly Covid pandemic.

    • @invictaone8514
      @invictaone8514 Před 16 dny

      The masks were useless and that’s a fact so was all the other tyrannical malarkey that the bloated government came up with.

  • @jollyjakelovell4787
    @jollyjakelovell4787 Před měsícem +22

    Saba is *not* pronounced Saw-bah. Please keep these intriguing yet sadly not well known tales of history coming. Apologies

    • @luisrobles0453
      @luisrobles0453 Před 29 dny +2

      The word San in Spanish mean holy.

    • @jollyjakelovell4787
      @jollyjakelovell4787 Před 29 dny +4

      @@luisrobles0453 The river, which gave the name also to the county and the town, was named by the governor of Spanish Texas, Juan Antonio Bustillo y Ceballos, in 1732. He called it Río de San Sabá de las Nueces ("River of Saint Sabbas of the Walnuts"), because he and his troops had arrived December 5, the feast day of St. Sabbas (439-532), a major figure of early Christian monastic life. Santa Cruz de San Sabá Mission was established on the river in 1757. Saba is an Spanish version of the Aramaic word Sabba or Sabbas meaning old man.

    • @jackiemack8653
      @jackiemack8653 Před 29 dny

      ​​@@jollyjakelovell4787Odd that if you remove the s from
      Sabba you have abba
      Beautiful facts! Thank you!

    • @jackiemack8653
      @jackiemack8653 Před 29 dny +3

      ​@@jollyjakelovell4787Odd that if you remove the s from Sabba you have abba
      Thank you for great info!

    • @samlindsey1078
      @samlindsey1078 Před 29 dny +12

      I have never heard anybody, including people born raised in that part of the country, pronounce San Saba different from the way it is in this video.

  • @melanie.l6282
    @melanie.l6282 Před dnem

    Very pretty girl Certainly not 17 too little

  • @melanie.l6282
    @melanie.l6282 Před dnem

    Those stories of white women taken by Natives always very interesting accordind to others accounts Natives would always took blond or red girls and married with them
    Well know stories of Cyntia married to Quanah

  • @makeupgirl8886
    @makeupgirl8886 Před 24 dny

    How has this guy proven that this story is true. I question it because we never get anywhere close to 14 inches of snow in central Texas. Maybe, Amarillo, but not San Saba.

    • @user-zh8il6zh6o
      @user-zh8il6zh6o Před 19 dny +1

      This comment is false😮

    • @sherylwilson865
      @sherylwilson865 Před 10 dny

      Texas gets quite a bit of snow. I live in East Texas and we've gotten over 6" in one snow storm. Plus the pan handle gets a lot.

  • @jacobhollar8849
    @jacobhollar8849 Před 27 dny +5

    Savages

    • @karenhill3970
      @karenhill3970 Před 24 dny +3

      You said it ..I'm 4generation TEXAN 🇨🇱and what my Grandparents told us , they STILL remembered , would make your blood run cold ..and I won't repeat what they said ...it's sickening

    • @nicholejefferson6904
      @nicholejefferson6904 Před 12 dny +1

      The wt man? Yes, and they still are!

  • @carolclark5776
    @carolclark5776 Před 29 dny +1

    Seems like they would start getting woke, I mean, it was over with the galling gun, cannons all that

  • @JoLeeR25
    @JoLeeR25 Před 16 dny +4

    do you ever describe what the white men did to the Native men and women that caused them to be so hostile????

    • @unworthyhistory
      @unworthyhistory  Před 16 dny +1

      czcams.com/video/LN1Nre47dTM/video.htmlsi=OCWQRdzDY365TPUz

  • @user-lb3hd7ip4o
    @user-lb3hd7ip4o Před 16 dny +5

    It was the Native Red Indians HOMELAND not your Ancestors.

    • @Swimkid1
      @Swimkid1 Před 14 dny

      As horrid as these one-sided tales depict of the peoples who land was actively being taken by force (and repeated lies about supposed freedom). It would be good to hear both sides of the story.
      Regards, Dave

    • @normamcmanus1139
      @normamcmanus1139 Před dnem

      It wasn’t their land either. Their ancestors walked over a land bridge from Asia. They are not native to America which meant they would have always lived in America. Not peoples who migrated from Asia.

  • @KerrieKruegner
    @KerrieKruegner Před 26 dny

    Unworthy histiory?im not American and I’m aware there were Indian attacks and which tribes were responsible and/or why there were attacks and what led up to there occurrence Scalped in the usual Indian fashion ? Sorry this practice was not started by the Indians Just wonder what your agenda is with the areas you concentrate on with no context in Unwirthy History

    • @cplmpcocptcl6306
      @cplmpcocptcl6306 Před 24 dny

      That they had to be taught scalping is apocryphal. And quite insulting.

    • @Swimkid1
      @Swimkid1 Před 14 dny

      Who taught the native homeowners may I ask?
      I understand this practice related to the afterlife in some way?
      Regards David