I7 8700 vs I5 12400F - 6 Cores and 12 Threads, 4 Years Later
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- čas přidán 31. 05. 2024
- How does the Intel Core i7 8700 compare to a modern six core processor with hyperthreading, namely the i5 12400F? Let's find out in a couple of CPU intensive tests and a handful of gaming benchmarks.
0:00 Introduction and Test Specs
1:02 Cinebench and Rendering Benchmarks
1:45 Gaming Tests
1:50 Cyberpunk 2077 2.0
2:49 Red Dead Redemption 2
3:29 Counter-Strike 2
4:20 Spider-Man
4:53 The Witcher 3 Next-Gen
5:32 Starfield
6:25 Final Thoughts and Suggestions
Thanks for watching :) - Věda a technologie
After living through the "14nm quad cores are good enough until the end of time" period at Intel while AMD was eating crayons, it still surprises me to see substantial CPU perfomance gains these days.
Yeah part of me is surprised that we don’t still have quad core i7s haha
AFAIK the 8700/k came out the same year as Zen 1 and it still made a joke of Zen 1 and Zen + in performance, especially with all the RAM issues AMD had with early chips.
@@Spiggle.yeah, they didn’t get competitive until zen 2 but first gen zen was still decent value
@@Spiggle. That's why I bought an 8700k, but the R5 1600x I built my mate at the same time has served him better - he's still not maxed it out.
...especially after the APUs (like 2200G & 2400G) came along. Also that's when the RAM issues were all gone. And that's why I'm still on my Ryzen 5 2400G.
I'm using an i7 8700k since 2018. Still able to game comfortable with an rtx 2070 super and 32gb ram
@makaan1932
8700k on fast DDR4 is still able to do 60 FPS, and is not bottlenecking that old GPU too.
If you need that RTX 4070 ti now or better, it will, keep the DDR 4, only replace that CPU for some cheap 1700 intel board ! Keep the rest !
Buy the 5060 ti next year only, keep the old RIG 3 more years?
@@lucasremlearn how to use periods in you sentences.
What is your resolution?
Like me 😂
I have a 3rd gen i7, 3770k in an old PC and it still pushes on like a champ. Paired with a GTX 1650, it is a solid living room gaming PC, with emulation up till the Xbox 360
If you don’t play anything from 2018 or newer, that’s all you need
Third Gen i7s are awesome. They're dirt cheap because they don't support AVX2 - the only reason I upgraded from mine was to emulate PS3. My nephew has my old rig with a 1050 ti, and he's loving his first PC.
@@bornonthebattlefront4883, I was using an i7 3770k@4.2GHz and DDR3 2000MHz until a few months ago, paired with an RX 590 and I ran a lot of graphics intensive games at high settings at 1080p.
@TechOrigami
If it runs Windows 10, you can play any title on it.
Keep the GTX 1080 Ti forever too ? GTX 1650 better then GTX 1080 now ? The same ? Keep it please !
NOT getting 60 FPS on it, not needed ! Modern games, only upgrade the GPU to RTX 4060 Ti 64 GB now ?
the biggest lie the gaming tech influencers ever pushed, is that we need to upgrade our CPUs on the regular xD
Unless you're gaming on the uber high end with the most expensive GPUs and fancy high refresh rate freesync monitors, any 4 core 8 thread CPU back to ivy bridge is probably still fine.
For those building on the thrift, entire PC builds with ivybridge, haswell, skylake etc would still be fine too. just pair it with a midrange GPU and you're fine for 1080p and even 1440p at reasonable settings.
edit: if you're getting a used system, getting an old B350 / B450 with a ryzen 1600 or 2600 will probably be cheaper AND overclockable. overclocked that would be equivalent or faster than this i7 8700
These last few updates have been lovely for me. I have paired that same 2080Ti with a 2600k, 8700 (non-K) and now with a ryzen 5700x. For me the bottom lines of these vids is that the 2080Ti is a different kind of special flavour!
Oh hey. Thanks for reminding me my 5700X is coming in the mail today. I'll check the tracking.
@@Gatorade69hope it got to you safely :)
What was the jump from 2600k to 8700, same settings?
@@NegitoroIsBestShip It did !
I have an i7 8700k paired with a GTX 1060 6GB. I'm happy with the performance of the combination.
easy gpu upgrade, can keep the 8700k
I also have an 8700k and its paired with a 2080 (nonsuper). I game at 1440p and always get above 60fps in most games... which is awesome! But sadly I wouldnt call it "high refresh rate gaming" unless im playing a nondemanding shooter like CS2. I feel like my 8700k does bottleneck my 2080 a bit on certain games. (Especially newer game titles that prefer newer CPU's) Ive had this build since 2018 and man... I cannot wait to upgrade to a newer generation CPU/GPU!!
@BREEZYM6015
Here i did RTX 4070 Ti on old 6900k, and Pentium, Core Duo Extreme.
You can still get 60 FPS 1080p on over 20 year old Pentiums on Windows 10, bottleneck the new RTX 4070ti on it ?
If you only need 60 FPS, Pentium + RTX 4090 ti will do it perfect too ! Keep the old systems !
Ultra room for upgrade, 8600k and 6800XT here
I got a killer deal on an old inventory laptop with a 8750k and gtx 1070 for only $300. Doesn't compare to my main rig but it's a nice little laptop for cheap.
Thank you. I’m still running my 8700 with a 1070ti and after this I’m feeling less of the need to start planning for an upgrade at this point in time.
Again thank you for making the effort to do these comparisons. I know they take time.
Im still rocking an i7 8700 paired with an rtx 3060 powered by a 750 psu in 2024. She runs strong playing every game I love to name a few, Battlefield 2042, Diablo 4, Iracing sim and Mech Warior online in 3840×2160 over 60 fps. I dont know when I will upgrade but this is the best CPU I ever owned.
Ive been watching u from 2018 and your content is literally the same. Never change man
Was looking for this comparison, thanks Steve.
Thanks for watching :)
Running the I5 12400F, and it's been so good to me. A testament to how well the 8700 has been for other gamers😊
I got a 12500, basically the same thing with slightly faster boost. I love it. I came from an old i5-2400 so it was night and day when I swapped
@@lurch789 i dunno. As far as them being "overpriced", I bought an i3 prebuilt for $100 and got the i5 for $50 on ebay... so I'm not complaining😁
@@colestowing8695 I'm hoping my PC last as long as the 2400 did. What a legendary CPU generation
@@theanimerapper6351 Intel knocked out of the park with Sandy bridge. But once I switched I realized I probably stuck with it a little too long. With that said I still have that old system (just in case)
My work PC has a i7 8700 in it (no dedicated graphics card though) so its nice to see how it stacks up in games etc to newer CPUs. Great video!
@unionofslavstanrepublics2317
Some people get these office machines now, upgrade it to a Gaming system, only buying that new RTX 4070 Ti for it, bottleneck any CPU ?
You should be able to play any game on Windows 10, Pentium can run it, only getting a new GPU only, bottleneck that GPU ? or enough frames now !
@@lucasrem???
@@lucasremwhat are you going on about mate you’ve replied to almost every comment in this video not making any coherent sense and going on how a pentium will not bottle neck a 4070ti? Idk what you smoking but yes it will most certainly bottleneck a 4070ti 😂😂
since I'm stuck with an old alienware hand me down, I upgraded my i5 8400 to an i7 8700 for $100. also went from a 1080ti to a 2080ti for $240 (DLSS is a legit game changer). net cost would be about $150 for both. works fantastic for any recent games 1440p at ~80-100fps
And you would have 30% more fps if 12700k,13600k or ryzen 7600.
@@Jjanssoni then I'd be looking at $500+ in upgrades. new CPU, ram, case, cooler. not worth it when the vast majority of games don't need a better CPU than an i7-8700. even the i5-8400 is fine. Plus playing at 1440p helps push more of the workload on the GPU
@@nintendork07 Doesnt matter what game you play when your cpu is holding back your gpu at all games. I would say your fps would be close to same with rtx2080. Btw i have 2080ti aswell and tried that with ryzen 3600,ryzen 5600x and now 12700k.
yea man you're one of the most original tech youtubers i will gladly give you a like.
I appreciate that!
I didn't actually expect the i7-8700 to be that close in performance 😅
Still rocking one, but I never compared it to newer CPU's.
its the same cpu as i5-10400 and 11400 and the 8700k has almost the same clock speed as the 10600k and 11600k. Yeap, Intel did that back in the days.
it's pretty common to underestimate CPUs, but they last much longer than GPUs do
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I'm on the i7 8086K paired with a gtx 1080, going strong since 2018 and hoping to continue using it (maybe with a 3070 in the future)
I love my i7 8700k. Its showing its age a little bit, but I have it paired with solid DDR4 and an RTX 3090. Still going strong at 3840x1600. The only game that has actually caused me issues recently is Starfield.
Even high end gaming PC’s will struggle to get Starfield above 55fps at 4k. Even when they’re built for it. That game is so demanding
Could be worth testing the i7-8700 with Baldur's Gate 3 . You may have already seen Gamers Nexus' video of testing with the game with newer & older GPU's - where they found that the game could be more instructive for CPU benchmarking because turn based gameplay isn't as demanding on GPU's (unlike real time shooters & adventure games) , and (I could be wrong) more of the bottlenecks was on the CPU side than the GPU side.
Maybe one way to add a twist to the video is to demonstrate how an Englishman from the land of J.R.R. Tolkein and C.S. Lewis plays these 'Dungeons & Dragons'.
lmao, baldurs gate 3 is surprisingly demanding on the gpu side, neither of my laptops can run it at anything but 720 fsr garbage mode.
And even then im only getting like 20 fps.
I use 12400 in my builds most of the time (I have a good deal on them and Asus MB new from a contact) and people still try to sell 8700k and 9700k for ridiculous price around here anyway...
I’m trying to get a 9700k to replace a 9400f in my son’s PC but the prices for them are insane. You can get a used 11400f (different board) that matches/beats the 9700k for half the price but I need a 9th gen to go in his board.
The 8700 was still sold in stores up until March-April around here for 400€.. The 12400F is 155€... Used 8700s range from ~90€ to 150€.
the i7 still rocking today even after all this time
Yeah still going strong!
@@RandomGaminginHD that means rtx 3060 can easily run games on i7 8700 !
@@reckergamer5247this is what I was planning to pair together would that be a good pair for 1080p gaming?
I have the 12400 in both my HTPC as well as my PLEX server. Very good bang for the buck as well as very good power consumption. I was able to get one of the 12400 for $150 from Amazon as they were on sale very briefly,
Excelent vídeo, thank you very much.
Got a i7-8700 + Z390A + 32GB RAM for 180ish EUR/USD around xmas last year, was very nice upgrade for me, could just move over old cooler and put a cheap M2 drive in there, just needed to adjust stock voltages which were way too high (dropped 20-25W power consumption at full load).
Got to love ipc improvements.
I've got a i5-12400 in my living room gaming computer, it has a 3070 for some nice solid performance on the TV and the Intel HD 770 runs as the dedicated transcoder for the plex server running on it and it's perfect.
Bro talk about timing a 2 weeks ago I basically did this upgrade went from an i7 8700 to a i5 12400. The 8700 wasnt giving me any problems or anything but basically got a crazy good deal plus the ability to finally use faster DDR4 ram was neat
Crazy to see the gains/IPC improvements over latest gen, been running a few benchmarks on an older Ryzen and getting handily beat by newer i3 in CPU tasks regardless of cores/threads.
Edit: Lol first CS2 gameplay I've seen, did they just smear some Vaseline over the screen and call it a day?
I still have that CPU still good but I'm selling my build after 4 years 😢
add background for benchmark scores... becomes easier to spot them
I've been using i7-8700K , at 4.9Ghz, for almost 5 years, paired with a GTX 1080 Ti, before changing to i7-13700K (and the reason for that is I bought an RTX 4080).
An incredibly solid CPU, which now serves my server purposes (undervolted, cos it's overkill for my home server).
I also have the 12400 with the RX 6600 and it's a really nice combo. Great comparison as always
9100 +6600 - looking for reason to upgrade but cant find any ;-s
@@danielkowalski7527reason is you're leaving a lot of performance on the table by being bottlenecked by that cpu especially if you attempt to play modern games
@@herewego9885what's the best gpu for gen 9?
@@herewego9885what's the best gpu for gen 9th?
@@ibnuasqallani a gtx 1660s is the best you can have with i3 9100f with little a bottleneck as possible but if you can up your budget then switch to a Ryzen platform or just upgrade to an i5 and get a better gpu with it, currently the rx 6600 is the best cheapest performancing card out there
Anyway can you make a comparison between 12400f and 13400f? I just want to know how much % is the difference on those two processors and pair it with an 2080ti or 3070
Yeah that’s on my to do list :)
In gaming not much. But in productivity yes, the 13400 is like a 12600k.
@@RandomGaminginHDI'm curious to see an i7 8700 vs 9700 video if possible 😊
Would the 8700K add a little bit more fps? Great video - very interesting really.
"Starfield doesn't like -those older architecture- GPUs."
Thanks great video
I think it would be interesting to compare power draw when comparing older hardware with newer hardware
My new Rig came with a Gold Coolermaster rated 600 PSU branded by OMEN, only the board and the GPU, 4 PCI lanes for the NVMe on i7, why bigger PSU ?
My old RIG PSU is 750 Watt, for that X99 Xeon SLi, needing less power now.
My next build will be StrongARM by intel again, plus ARC onboard, 100 Watt enough !
There is a huge difference. The 12400 maxes at 185w while the 8700k @5ghz can heat your room at 300+ watts.
The 8700 in this example, has a consistent lower power draw with very little loss in performance.
@@spritbong5285 it's actually a large gulf in performance
It uses less than 150w at 5ghz all core.. Ur confused with 13900k (I have a 8700k)
It's interesting to look at the power draw of the 2 chips too I think! The i5 used less wattage in every test by the looks! Very impressive.
Hows it impressiv? Isnt that what almost every new cpu generation does? Higher clocks with lower wattage?
My I7 8700 is still chugging along. Its paired with my RTX 3060Ti with some CPU heavy racing sims its still great at 4K
Love these types of comparisons for illustrating what kind of difference an upgrade may/may not make in games, the only thing that'd make this clearer would be a more powerful GPU for games like Starfield
@@lurch789 I haven't spent any money on that game but I agree that it's an outlier for all of the wrong reasons, it absolutely does not look good enough to warrant its GPU demands when you compare how things like Cyberpunk look and run
If possible please include Baldur's Gate 3 for CPU benchmarks since it's quite demanding on CPU as far as I understand
Great video! I wonder how 8 cores on 9900k vs 12700 or 12900 perform, and interesting as well to compare with the 9700k as it doesn’t have hyper threading.
Not the exact setup but I can say having done the upgrade 9600K to 12700KF. I haven't tested the 12900KF I setup yet. The non ks should still be nice also. I think it's an IPC gain, It's been more smooth and less stuttery in recent games.
Still rocking my 8600k since it released. delided on Liquid Metal clocked at 5.1ghz quiet as a mouse hovers around the 60s still while heavy gaming. I think I’ll wait another year or 2 before I change her out.
Nice brother. You respect your money
Since 2018 my 8700k delied and OClocked to 5Ghz runs like 5 years under 60°C all the time , and its paired with the beautiful 1080Ti FTW3 from EVGA. The 4x8GB TrindentZ Royals Silver with a Boost XMP of 3600 runs smothley too on my Z370 MSI Gaming Pro Carbon.
5 Years never let me down and in this Years i experienced maybe 4-5 Crash in Gaming.
Almost 4 Years and 5000 Hours Spend in PUBG and a lot of other Games!
Now it's in Pension , my Childs Born and now we use it as a TV Stream PC ❤❤❤ Never let the Boy Down!
How are u able to run rivatuner with cs2. I have tried it multiple times it stopped working for csgo and never worked with cs2 for me i want to cap my fps using rivatunner
12400F can be better suited for additional hardware that is new, like PCI e 4.0 storage and GPU and as many of the newer mid range GPUs only has 8 lanes this can have some impact.
@@lurch789 not really, these days many mid range cards(like 4060TI, RX7600) etc uses 4.0 x8 instead of 4.0 x16, cutting the bandwidth in half, so when you put such a card in an old system it is only getting 3.0 x8, that limits the performance in some scenarios. You might want to check modern benchmarks.
it would be interesting to see if you could use the intel tuning tool to change the boost timings or use the mobo to adjust BCLK and see what difference that makes
What Budget RTX 40XX card gives the most frames on old intels ?
Keep the 6900k 3 more years on the new RTX 4070 Ti ? Bottleneck it on old intels ?
A few months back I was wondering if I should buy a second hand i7 8700, upgrading from i5 2500... Skipped that and went right into i5 12400. A 40% increase in price, but did not regret my choice.
Edit: By Jan 2023 I was still using G620 (;p). Upgraded to 2500, then to SSD (from HDD)... then got hooked with upgrading. Having 4 cores from 2 cores was awesome, but SSD upgrade was the real MVP.
Did not expect that big of a difference ngl
I did not expect it to hold up this well, won't lie there
Hey dude. My Pc is bound to only have 230w psu, msi trident 3. People do wicked upgrades on it and upgraded their 1660 to a 4060 since both are the same tdp. Ive done that. But im stuck with an i5 8400. Do you think ill see big boosts if i upgrade to i7 8700/9700 worth it? Can do it for about $150 CAD
Thanks
Actually, pretty good results for i7 8700. Comparing price/performance it's good option. I would love to see how Ryzen 5 1600/2600 compare to it. Great video.
I7 8700 beats them
No point in testing ryzen 1600, when ryzen 3600 is dirty cheap.
Can't wait for you to test AC:Mirage on minimum specs...is that video coming soon? haha
Im running an i5 8600K oc to 4.5ghz (running stock voltages with a soft LLC) paired with a GTX1080, still runs all the games at maximum settigs or really close to that. I was thinking in selling the 1080 and buying a used 2080 (now its like 250 euros on cex), do you think would be worth it?
I'd love to see a video of a head to head comparison with the i7 8700 vs a xeon 1650v3 or even a ryzen 1600x.
Would make some fun and interesting content imo.
@T.Lspitz
You will bottleneck any modern GPU on it, specially the old Xeon's on consumer boards.
But you will still get 60 FPS only on any modern GPU in windows 10 !
The 8700 is more comparable with a ryzen 5 3600x and even beats it in gaming a lot of the time.
@@mrm90000yeah... and used ryzen cost less than i5 8400 + you may find motherboards in similar prices and it is easy to make better ram work on AM4, when old Intel is locked to 2666mhz beside z370 motherboards.
Ryzen cost only a bit more, but all cores are in one ccx, so there should be almost no games where it is slower than this i7.
Funnily enough, Im building a second rig with this cpu atm, managed to pick one up along with a z370 mb for just under £90 😄
A couple of the cores on it like to run hotter than the rest but I beieve that was a common issue with them, otherwise a great little chip.
Still considering what gpu to pair with it. 👍
yeah intel seems to have an interesting heat variation with the cores, my 6600k the 4th core runs like 20c cooler than the other 3 even when under 100% load
Makes me wonder, what would be the perf diff between this and the last gen equivalent.
Good video. If you upgrade a 12400 to a 13500.. You will be surprised at the performance increase you get. Unlike the 12th gen, the 13500 is in a whole different class of cpu than the 13400. The 13500 is an awesome cpu.
@JamesSmith-sw3nk
My OLD systems kept on dying, X299 was very bad, i kept waiting for intels 7 to replace that, unable to upgrade it, too many BIOS errors, VRM and microcode issues.
Bought the best CHEAP Pre Build on the market, i7 13700 i7 4070Ti by OMEN, before that i was running the old RTX card on the Core Dual extreme, getting 60 FPS in 1080p too !
Over 20 year old Pentiums can run windows 10 good, able to do 60 FPS in 1080p ! Bottleneck the RTX 4070 ti on old intels ? cheaper RTX card ?
I've got this CPU and I've bought the 6700 XT as an upgrade for my old 1050Ti. Pretty exciting, there's about to be some serious gaming done. I'm considering an upgrade to the 12700KF tho
Definitely a great GPU upgrade. The CPU upgrade will be nice too
@@RandomGaminginHD hah it'd be nice if i remembered to get the power cables for the card!
That's gotta be quite the framerate jump even without the CPU upgrade. The CPU certainly would be the icing on the cake, though.
@@fattomandeibu oh, totally. From barely getting 40 frames on lowest on cyberpunk to having stable 60 on really high settings. Pretty excited for that
@@fattomandeibuaight, I finally installed it. It feels ILLEGALLY fast lol
I have an rtx 3070 and 8700, is it worth upgrading to r5 5600x or r7 5700x or can I wait a year or two?
I was literally asking this question myself few days ago
I have the i5 12th Gen and the key is to enter in the BIOS and disable the Virtual Machines configs and a few more pre-configs
The i5-14500 going to put these to bed with all the threads 😂 nice video I think games are getting back to being cpu intensive more than lately it’s like back in the day you could get any card as long as the cpu would hold up
This is the market. They are trying to take your money with newer technology every year or two. Just don't get trapped and appreciate your pc ❤
Man I was so proud of the 8770k I had when I got it lol. It was a golden sample, delided with liquid metal and a
Copper IHS that could run benchmarks strong at 5.4ghz.
stefensmith9522
proud you are, for intel, LOL !
you bought a new GPU for it, bottleneck it, still getting 60 FPS in any modern game !
Even on 6900k on > 5 Ghz, it still bottlenecks any modern GPU, but if you only need 60 FPS, any Pentium and up will do that on Windows 10 !
Proud, LOL ! Fanboys feel that ?
@@lucasrem and look at amd having trouble with the newest windows 11 update.
Come on do you really need to start stuff about fanboying and what not? Your complaining about Intel on an Intel video and at the end of the day we are all PC enthusiasts
*Nice little performance uplift*
Still running a good old i5 4590 with some asus variant of a 1050 ti, starting to feel a little bit slow compared to some newer stuff but still not planing to upgrade from it in the next while.
The i7 8700(K) buyers made a very good choice back then, those CPUs are still capable today. RIP anyone who bought an i5 7600K in 2017.
I have an i7 7700k with a 3070, has been pretty decent over the years. Had a msi 1080gpu before that just died on me, but I’ve been happy. Considering upgrading within a few years or so, but not sure
@@louis1234_ the 7700K was certrainly not terrible but the 7600K with only 4 threads aged like milk.
@@lharsay this is true, 7600k was the worst cpu you could spend money on in 2017
@@lharsay well I’m glad to hear I didn’t get the worst one lol. Curious to see what will be on the market within the next 3-5 years or so and if my cpu will start to show its age
I'm running a i7-8700 (non K) with a Asus ROG Strix Z390-E motherboard which I got both used locally in the fall last year for $50 US dollars total. Then during the time finding a GPU was like finding a needle in a haystack I picked up locally a used EVGA GTX 1080 SC 8GB for $50 US dollars. Turned around bought 32GB kit of DDR4 for like $75 US dollars. All ready had the rest of the stuff like case, psu, ssd's from my old system I was using at the time.
Before I bought the i7-8700 and Asus ROG Strix Z390-E motherboard in the fall of last year. For the last decade been using the AMD FX8320 which was showing it's age and limiting the games I could play.
The i7-8700 with the GTX 1080 SC 8GB let's me play my games I want to play just fine while getting decent FPS.
Amazing procesor. I am using an i7 8700k delided oc to 5.1ghz for all cores daily + 4000mhz ddr4 memory + gtx 1080 (i will upgrade soon to 3080 or 6800xt)
Still using this and thank god it supports Windows 11. Specs:
i7-8700K, 32GB DDR4 2666MHz RTX 2070 Super
Great combo there :)
Does i7 8700 performs exactly the same as i5 10400? 10500/10600 have high clock and a close comparison to i7 8700 but technically these all are same 12 thread 14nm 12MB L3 cache CPUs. So what do we expect from all these CPUs? Same performance or 10th gen i5(s) will perform better?
again, awesome performance from the older chip, amazing
Can you also test with 9700K and 9900K?
I wonder what worthwhile upgrade paths are available for the 12400F in 2-3 years from now without mobo change?
14th gen (more like 13.5th gen, really Intel?) is the last LGA1700 CPU.
have an 8700k@5.1ghz with 4200cl16 ram, still very good at w1440p paired with 6900xt.
downsides are the amout of time to get this stable and the power consomption which is around 90-130w for the cpu in game
This video was helpful to show that if you are stuck using a i3-9100f a i7 8700 is really good specially for the price comparing to i7-9700 and i9-9900k. Also i don't have a good motherboard for a i9 so i ll be stuck with it for now.
Could you maybe take a look at how the 9900k is doing nowadays? Feels like everyone forgot that chip existed even though it was the best gaming choice back in the day
"even though it was the best gaming choice"
No - it never was the best gaming choice - it was the best performing CPU for gaming but it was still a bad choice in general due to how expensive it was.
@@ABaumstumpf I never claimed it was the best value. It was the best gaming CPU in absolute terms.
4:06 I had completely the opposite experience with CS2 - it was a stuttery mess for me just with bots, which makes no sense considering I'm running a Ryzen7 3700X cooled by be Quiet! Shadow Rock 3, MSI B550M Mortar Max, MSI Evoke RX5700XT, 32GB Kingston Fury Beast DDR4-3600 RAM, Crucial P3 Plus 500GB NVMe SSD as boot drive and my game storage is a 2TB Crucial P3 NVMe SSD, I also have a 450Mbps fibre connection so no stutter from that. I played it for 30 minutes, fiddled with settings, got no real changes, uninstalled it. Maybe it is just poor with AMD products.
Either way, these reviews of older vs. newer CPUs are always interesting.
Had a good run on it's cousin the 9600K. Went to 12th gen earlier this year, less stuttering. Did play Baldur's Gate 3 and Starfield with 7900XTX. Starfield had a boring intro. Going to gaming on 12700KF has been mostly better, some DDR5 and ram compatibility (no bsods) but growing pains. At least DDR4 is mature, have plenty around from the past few years. Built a 12900KF I've yet to test. I'm a bit curious if the lows are better but in CPU bound games that's what I feel the most in areas where there are events/in raid groups.
I have 8700k, delidded & 5.2 Ghz (AVX -1) OC, now it's 1080/1440p gaming beast, especially with my 3060 12 (with minor overclocking and undervolted to 900mv)
what is the RAM frequency of the 8700 and 12400?
This is a great demonstration of the crazy high driver overhead that RTX 2000 suffers from. 8700 can still game fine, but faster CPUs scale up RTX 2000 performance very consistently. Would be cool to see this CPU pairing head to head with other GPUs to see if these very flat and high gains are present in other GPU generations.
Im still rocking 8700k @ 4.9ghz w/ a 6700xt for gaming. Works good enough, for now =) My goal is to see if I can wait till "16th gen" for that "double generation upgrade" hehe =)
I was just about searching for any bottleneck examples with my i7 - 9700 and you just upload one with the 8700! Talk about convenience. How do you think my cpu would fare instead of the 8700?
Since mine misses out on hyperthreading so its a 8c/8t. Also, i usually keep it clocked at base 3ghz speeds, the boost makes it unstable at longer periods of loads and ends in bsod or just freezes. Will be ditching the cpu too if it's not worth keeping with a new gpu.
i have the 9700, made a video with the new 7800XT to see how bad it gets
so a guy that had a 8700k for many years, the upgrade to my 13600 was literally night and day, however i dont play singleplayer games, just multiplayer and thats where youll see the biggest difference. even my partners 9500f to 13400f was amazing for a pretty good fps uplift but smoothness and much higher 1% lows
I nearly bought one of these until I realised by H110-A LGA1151 motherboard couldn't actually handle one. I've put it on hold whilst I upgrade an older LGA1150 in the mean time.
I've been trying to learn about PC specs and performance, etc. I've been testing a wee PC I built for one of my nieces 8 years ago and it's behaving in a way I don't understand. It runs at 100% on a some games at 720p, but only 60% on 1080p, whilst the graphics card is barely hitting 30%. To make it more confusing, it's only losing like 3 fps. It seems like an obvious processor bottleneck, but I'm confused why it so often seems happy to sit so low. this isn't 100% of the time either. Sometimes the 720p mode will sit in the 60% range. This is always with the same game and in the same level so I have no idea what it's doing >D Was wondering if you might have some insight?
love your videos, but always talking about ram speed as 'mhz' rather than megatransfers is totally a pet peeve. double data rate is super neat tech, it's a shame to mislabel it.
ram manufacturers, motherboard specs and stores still label it mhz, so it needs to start with them before it starts with the simple person
Still using i7-8700, but upgraded GPU to the 3070ti and 16Gb of RAM, where CPU a bit bottleneck but playing most of the titles in 2k. Plans to change platform to the newest Intel.
Gonna continue banging on about nVidia driver overhead for slower CPUs and why I think it might be better to test with AMD GPUs when doing CPU-limited runs.
The 8700 held up incredbly well.
Naam is Silva,
You bought that RTX 4070 ti for it, still enough frames !
Or even cheaper GPU, still getting 60 FPS on old intels is all you need ?
What is the best GPU for it ? keep the GTX 1080 card that came with it too ? only upgrade the GPU on RTX 40XX levels now ?
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Does the 8700 system support rebar? Just the only way I could see Intel ARC having a performance difference in GPU bound scenarios, lol.
It depends on the mobo, gotta check the site for a bios update thats says rebar. My MSI Z370 SLI PLUS mobo got that option in the latest bios update.
@@enriquetapia1287 good to know it is new enough to be an option if one has a motherboard that supports it.
using a 3300x paired with a 2060, so far still holding up pretty good, but i am looking to buy a 5800x3d maybe next year
May want to be quick, prices in Germany seem to be increasing again - could be Christmas season but also zen 5 is just around the corner
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Hey can you pls start putting the specs in Description.
I recently did a new build, my old one had the 8700 in it paired with a GTX 1080 Ti. Figured it was time for an upgrade when I tried to play the last of us and it just locked to 100% usage and screamed in agony while the game ran at 30ish fps
Hi,
have a set up with i7 8700 + rtx 3070 and 32gb ram on H310 mobo. Preaty cheap and also prety good conf.
I could say i am seeng closer figures.
If used on 1440p( as i do it is totaly fine cpu). The performance diferance is les than 30% in 4 gens and most of it cames feom the ram frequency.
If 8700k is used with a Z board that diferance will be much lower due to the option of using higer frequency ram ecpecialy in newer titles.
For me 3070 is the max vcard that is reasanable to use with this chip, and with combination with nvme ssd gamig is smooth and nice.
Thanks for the good video.
BDW : i could not start da msi afterburn stats on cs2 , so i am using the build in fps counter .
What's your riva settings for that info ?😂
I am still running a 8700 right now! Paired with 32GB of RAM and a 6600XT.
I think this shows that if people open their minds when it comes to past gens, the barrier to entry, for a solid 1080p 60fps Experience on pc drops to the floor and anyone can join.
I'm feeling if it was better GPU the gain with 12400F would be even bigger.
Great choice of chips to compare, but it's weird how the numbers are constantly showing a 20-30% improvement meanwhile your VO says they're "very close" etc. It feels like you're trying to sell me your 8700.
I have the i7-8700K and I gotta say I absolutely love this cpu. It's very far from being obsolete. It can easily keep going for another 5 years probably maybe even longer
I have one too and it'll be dead by next console launch. Which is about 2-3 years away at most. Don't get me wrong, it'll chug along fine with a delid and a good OC. But even then it has the multi-core of a 3700X. Point is it's about the same amount of CPU power in the current consoles so it will last that long. I am also guessing Intel's new product segmentation means all older Core i chips will be the equivalent of Core 2 Quad to an i5 Nehalem Quad Core.
Running an i9 9900K with 64GB DDR4 3200 RAM here and still hope to get upwards of another 5 years from it. Plenty of performance for what I need. I love my PC setup.
@@bigsteve8856I have a 10850k I'm hoping for 5 years as well