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The TMO did a great job of making himself look like a South Africa fan.
Frustrating thing is when you can clearly see something wrong repeatedly but it's like you're either crazy or you're the only one seeing it...Ireland's scrum tactics were disgusting and they were being rewarded for it.
lol everyone i have heard so far has said the boks got the rub of the green as far as the ref is concerned
At this level between the top teams, yes he plays a massive role. It's a coin flip between the top nations
Massive impact on the result because it’s a small impact -> I.e. a decision here or there on micro stuff
Tough gig IMO
Ireland won a game in Dublin a few years back with tries that were clearly forward. Some days the decisions go your way, sometimes not. Oh and don't forget John Smit having a word with his players and Ogara then taking a quick tap.
your comment is ok, as long as you did not mention this at the time, but I suspect your basically a hypocrite
On-field decision is the key thing. On-field no try, on-field try, on-field no try. If the ref doesn't know he should say so.
Also if you look for a reason to disallow any try you'll very likely find one.
Imagine complaining that the tmo made the correct decision to disallow a try.
That's the point. It wasn't the correct decision. Both TMO decisions were a joke.
@@stephendoherty981 Now explain using the laws how it was wrong decisions...lets see if you know the laws of rugby.
@jadenphilander8799 If you watch Kelleher in the ruck, he has no idea where the ball is. He's being neck rolled by Le Roux at the time. How then is he kicking the ball back from the ruck? At the same time, a Bok tackler clears out the ruck, and at that moment, the ball is propelled back towards the Irish side. Also, Pearce is standing right on top of the ruck but has to problem with what's happened to the ball and let's play continue. How and why does the TMO then get involved in that ruck.? Absurd decision. Are TMO's going to get involved in every ruck in rugby from now on?
Also, Lowe's foot was clearly on the ground beyond the touchline when he throws the ball back in field. Countless slow mo footage attests to this. Again, ridiculous call resulting in a 14 point swing to the Boks. But, let me guess, you know better, right?
@@stephendoherty981 Learn the rules of rugby please
@jameswyatt4443 Oh, well, please impart your vast wisdom on the rules of rugby and specifically on the two TMO decisions yesterday. I'm sure the whole YT rugby community would be fascinated with your take on these controversial decisions. I await your response with bated breath!!
can i also just add ... Ireland also play very much like the All Blacks ... pushing the offside boundary in a very discreet way by actually blocking the other side who are in forward mod ... standing in the position where they are pretending to be part of play by in fact trying to stop the momentum blocking from the advancing team ... no doubt a good skill but refs never manage this or get it under control
Gd story 😂😂😂..what a load of crap
wow bok fans are victims. All ive heard all week is that the boks got refs favour this last weekend and here they are in the comments complaining
One of the strangest rugby matches that I watched. I was convinced, as always, that Pearce was biased against South Africa, but something strange happened. I think the Irish captain rubbed Pearce the wrong way.
and then he was biased against Ireland? and it's the Irish captains fault for questioning all those decisions! Mental gymnastics
The tmo's are looking for reasons not to award a try all the time you can basically find reasons everytime is rugby meant to be like this?
Great point! The euros'24 comp has been blighted by the same problem
James Lowe foot was on the ground and the ball was touching his thigh . Was never a try .
Ball left his hand and it wasn't conclusive enough it's payback for last time in the rwc when they called the maul even though the ball was out
Based on the video replays, it was not conclusive, and the key factor was the on field decision, and the TMO needs to find conclusive evidence to overturn. If it was “no try”, that decision would have stood.
Who knows, on another day the TMO decisions might have went the other way but ultimately it was a tight game with tight calls so I have no issue with the ref/TMO. It was just unfortunate for us that we were on the wrong end of all of them on this occasion. That's sport sometimes. Well done to SA and looking forward to the next one.
Even if Kellehers foot hitting the ball back was illegal and as an Irish fan I see it is, however the whole rule with tackling is if the tackler makes an effort to drop and maliciously intends to injury a player. So there fore kelleher doesn’t intentionally roll the ball back, he is in fact being neck rolled. Therefore no try and penalty Ireland
It is a pity there’s always so many controversial decisions in a rugby game because of referee interpretation
There were no controversial decisions. You’re grasping at straws, or you have a misunderstanding of fundamental laws. Both of Ireland’s tries were rightfully disallowed: one wasn’t grounded, the other came from an illegal action in the previous ruck.
And before you cite Kolbe’s try, to overturn an on-field decision you need conclusive evidence otherwise. There was none. Learn the laws.
@@jacquescoetzee47 💯
Hate the idea a ref can slow Mo the dark arts of a ruck.
It's part of the game, you can't ref with a microscope.
No more dark arts, no need to cheat anymore. Every team needs to step there stamina and game up. Those dark days are over thanks to the TMO
It was so clear. I was screaming at the TV that that turnover was clearly illegal. Absolutely right to disallow that try.
not big on Luke Pierce...to chummy with the players
win some calls loose some calls ... trust me if you added them up i am sure the bokkie have had more against them than for them ... get over it and to be honest from my side get back to having simple rules ... this will make it a lot less controversial especially when one ref blows differently to another ref ...
but did you say that when Rassie was making his videos?
It’s interesting how rugby has changed. For the last few years the focus is a lot more about the refs and TMOs. I don’t know if this is helping the growth of the came. It’s getting way too complicated
Neck rolling was without a doubt the biggest thing referees were coming down on in yesterdays internationals yesterday and many commentators commented on this, so saying sticking the foot in was what they were looking for is not fair. TMO was wrong here he decided to go back to the Ruc and then he looked for a reason to cancel the try not for a reason to check the Ruc. Both the referee and the TMO have questions to answer and they will. But the real problem with rugby is fans will not be privy to what the ref or TMO has to say, so Fans the single most important integral part of professional sport have no outlets for discussion except the pub the kitchen table or social media. Fans know they cannot change the result but are very much entitled to their opinion, I just hope fans understand this is not SA teams fault or SA rugbys fault, this is human error not personal and can only be improved by discussion amongst all including fans and fans should not be denigrated for what they say or think “unless its personal” .
Opinions on sport referees has been around since sport was refereed and thats a good thing and long may it continue.
I’m certain most Irish fans know the cannot change the result as well as tipping their cap to SA who were the best team in the test yesterday and they will have bad days with referees and thats sport. Congrats well done and hopefully next weeks game has as much drama skill and great play from both teams…
we were lucky to win this match....rob lowe for me was out in touch and so was the ball and his try should have stood as the irish players foot was not intentional by kicking the ball away
and other days Ireland will be lucky, but so few people just admit when they get the luck / bad calls, we'll do e you for being a balanced person and congratulations on a big win for SA
Rob Lowe 😂
Parks and Ruck-reaction
Clearly didn’t watch the video… intentionally or not, it happened as is illegal.
I think Ireland can feel a bit hard done by, but then so could we back when they scored in Ireland where they scored after obvious infringements.
That said, the player that was on the ground and kicked the ball was being neck rolled by Willie. So now, in theory, you remove the player doing foul play, in this case, Willie, but then he wouldn't have kicked the ball back to his side?
So in my view, it's not play on, it's a penalty to Ireland for Willie's neck roll?
As an Irish fan I was more annoyed about the disallowed J Lowe try. How the TMO managed to see Kelleher's leg touching the ball in a ruck (whilst being neck rolled) but didn't see Synman taking out Casey is beyond me. Refs/TMOs don't do themselves any favours
The Synman issue should have been looked at in my opinion. Lowe was in touch leading up to the last SA try which should have been disallowed.
There was nothing wrong with Snyman on Casey.
@@seanofarrell8896How slow are you?
@@jameswyatt4443 if it was the other way would you have said that
@@seanofarrell8896 We did complain, when le Roux was cynically taken out in the URC semi-final against Leinster and people told us to shut up. And that was even worse. The result of that was the Bulls losing le Roux and consequently the final.
Rassie point out to the media that a referee made more than and up to 950 decisions in a game. Is three or four mistakes absurd? The referee is still a human and don't have eyes every where with the angle the TV camera's always showing. It still stay a tuff call.
Sorry but you ignored the neck roll on the olayer whise foot knocks the ball out if the ruck! Why onfield so you not say try or bo try on that james lowe in touch
Its not the Refs fault. World rugby keeps introducing more and more laws in a game that is already way too complicated. And then they complain that the game isn't winning new fans. How about make it simpler to play and understand and the it might attract more fans.
TMO should not be reffing the rucks. End of. Not his job to be nitpicking rucks. Are we going to have to wait after every try to let the TMO go back over the preceding rucks with a fine comb to give the ok? On top of that he missed the obvious neck roll! Really bad from the TMO.
Wrong.
It’s not nitpicking, it was blatantly illegal. There was nothing subjective about it.
@@jameswyatt4443 was the neck roll legal? Slow down any ruck and you could find something to ping. TMO gets a big head and thinks its his job to police the ruck when the ref is standing 2 feet away and called play on. Ridiculous call.
@@brianmcartonThere was no neck roll. I just watched it. It looked like a neck roll But Willie did not attempt a neck roll...he was at the ruck then Kelleher tried to clean him out, and did it by going under Willie and lifting him out, he also did it by put his head under Willies armpit, so it looked like a neck roll, but wille did not sttempt a neck roll, Kelleher put his head there. Hold that.
All these new laws are killing our wonderful game of rugby.
They are looking for excuses to disallow everything. Very negative.
The infuriating thing about this match and the comments from Forever Soorts is that he is picking the aspects that suit him to justify the decisions that favoured his team -SA in his analysis .
At the breakdown that resulted in the disallowed Lowe try for Ireland it was actually the clear out by SA 21 that resulted in the ball squirting out on the Irish side of the ruck . Pearse the ref was 2 meters from it and looking straight at it and he saw nothing wrong !
Ben Whitehouse should not have nitpicked to find something that overturned a clear try - if the boot was on the other foot how would the Loftus crowd have reacted ?
Why was there no review of the high hit by Synam that resulted in Casey’s concussion ?
Definite home town decisions and the standard of officiating is destroying the game .
The TMO has been okay, far better than what they do with football. The no scrum rule is stupid and too many rules are making the game wimp. Are they trying to turn the game into NFL so it can be rigged?
START again. Go back to the 1950 rule book. Everyone beats the crap out of each other and we all go home happy.
Yesterday was infuriating it’s horrible to be on the wrong side of dubious calls. The Lowe try called back was a disgrace Kelaher get it falls to the ground in the ruck The ball squirts out on the TMO said he hooked it back. And Doris definitely got that ball down the bottom of it was on the tryline. I don’t mind losing if it’s fair but that game yesterday we’ll always have the caveat of poor officiating. Which is a shame because it was a very good game between two quality sides. I’m not really one for blaming the ref normally I’d say we should’ve done certain things better and there is an element of that but we can’t ignore how bad the officials were telling the captain to go away. The TMO over involving himself when there was no need if there was something blatant and cynical then yeah sure but it was complete bs I especially the one scored from James Lowe throwing the ball back in when he was out of touch. Th really annoyed me. The officials did everything possible to give that a try Yet denied him a fair try. It’s bad refereeing like that that really boils my blood Luke Pierce isn’t up to it and whoever the TMO is should be stood down he was an absolute disgrace and ruined a great quality test match
Again it was the referies fault that SA won 🤔
Can we please talk about the ball in play time. We were told ball in play time is the big reason billions of people don't follow rugby union. I have not seen a single stat on ball in play time or reaction to it. Why no talk about ball in play time anymore?
By slowing down the footage and zooming in it will make even small collisions look bad. If the ref cannot make a decision using real time playback then he shouldn't be a ref. Go film some slowmo footage on your phones and just see how it can make the most benign thing look hectic.
everytime the boks play and win, the opposition is always looking for excuses why they didnt win. Well if you can go into every game of rugby, there are many instances where something was called wrong or misread and thats tough. Ireland also have done some funny bussiness and got away with it, so lets move on, ....
Corrupt as all hell. Rwc is prof of that.
Important to stress: both South Africa and Ireland agreed to trial the new TMO protocols during this series. We knew that they’d be overly officious going into this series so I don’t know what they’re complaining about.
None of the calls were related to the new system though.
@@jameswyatt4443 You’re right, the disallowed Lowe try came directly after the illegal action in the ruck (i.e. one phase afterwards), which makes people complaining about it even more preposterous.
@@jacquescoetzee47the illegal action was a neck roll and even that earned you a penalty . Take the blinkers off..
@@davidwalker2402 Nonsense. Watch the incident again, it happens at 58:56. Willie never rolls the guy’s neck, he’s got a hold of him and then Kelleher attempts to clear him out of the ruck thus bringing them both down. That’s the softest “neck roll” i’ve ever seen.
@@jacquescoetzee47 obviously no specsavors in SA 🤣
How can the TMO see one thing and completely ignore something else. A foot in a ruck because of a drive in and then a foot in touch 50/50??
Missing the late takle on Casey. No playback. WTF
It's a bloody physical game, and if video refs start going microscopic on some things and not the other, what's the point? Rugby will die a slow death. Rugby won't be a spectacle anymore, and fans will leave. Congratulations SA 😊
I hope the refereeing is better and fairer for all teams in the future.
From a Kiwi once the game is over it's over moaning about it is just a waste of your time and energy. Look forward to the next game when hopefully it might go in your favour.
I am a old school expert. Stop the poker GAME, every war got his casualties. Rugby is a contact sport, and when the best two teams play for the top spot, you must prepare for some destruction.
Typical Irish 😂 they lose and then it's the ref and TMO's fault.
How's that typical Irish?
We as bok supporters do the same, you know it :)