Nice video as usual, just let me give my 2 cents. I will go to Europe this year and I will do my first ferrata(s) there since there are none where I live. However, my background is in rock/ice/alpine climbing and because of that I will bring my Petzl connect adjust with me just for rests. I agree with you that the simpler the system the better it is, but for me, I am perfectly used to Petzl one. I am aware of its limitations and I know how to rack it on my harnesses for not being in the way and for quick deployment since I am using it for years. For me personally buying that CT Y sling would not have any benefits. However, if some beginner is buying a completely new gear, I can see that it would be beneficial for them.
Totally agree with you. There is zero reason for you to buy something else. Let's take it differently. If you only climb a Via Ferrata once in a while or maybe twice in three or five years but rock climb every other day or do something similar it makes perfect sense to just reuse a perfect piece of gear. Based on what Via Ferrata you will go most probably you will not even need it. I totally agree with you. There is no reason to buy a different piece of equipment. You are proficient with what you have, you have plenty reason to use it, you will most probably climb Via Ferrata only once in a while. There is no reason to spend on CT Y for example. As you say, someone who is buying the system from scratch, someone who knows will climb regularly and someone who has no issue with spending money on something that will not be that functional while rock climbing but maybe goes canyoneering buying CT Y makes sense. We shall all remember that what is most important is to have a functional resting system. And many times, functional means what you can best manage and leverage when needed. I totally agree with you. I hope you will love your Via Ferrata experience. Try not to compare it with your usual climbing. It is more about enjoying the viewed on sides of the mountain and at heights otherwise hard to reach as a rock climber.
As I couldn't find a good retailer for the Ypsilon here, I went with the Edelrid Switch Double. Pretty much the same and has been doing its job fine (rated to 15kN), so it could be a good alternative if you guys don't find the Ypsilon.
22kn is relative to multiple factors that summed will decrease the number and of course function to the base of comparison is less or more relevant. Petzl Connect Adjust and Ypsilon from Climbing Technology are not in the same class. Petzl Connect Adjust sits in the same class with Climbing Technology Tuner I or Edelrid Switch Adjust.
Yes. Based on your height and wish you can use the shorter or the longer arm of it. Remember, when you zipline, the carabiners of the Via Ferrata Set have to go on the line as well (or the lifeline based on the setup of the zipline). Make sure to always have at least to redundancy connection pints. If you have carabiners going straight on the safety steel cable of the zipline make sure they sit behind the pulley (when I say pulley I mean Tandem from Petzl for example). Usually the carabiners sit on the pulley to avoid friction. Now, friction is good when you break. Breaking can become suddenly dangerous. You can actually breath bones and your back or smash your head. Make sure to have the helmet all the times. Never put the hand infront of the pulley. Make sure you wear full finger gloves that can withstand some heat at least. I guess you probably know all these basic rules. Going back to your question, yes, Ypsilon has all the right elements to make it safe for ziplining on Via Ferrata zipline segments.
Please NEVER EVER use a static sling as a "rastschlinge" ! They WILL FAIL VERY EASILY in case of even a minor fall, not to mention that this fall itself can kill you because of extremely large forces working on your spine! Only use dynamic rope resting slings such as: Edelrid "Switch Adjust" Petzl "Connect Adjust" etc.
Resting implies static load of the sling. There shall be no reason to fall. If properly utilised, a fall shall be static enough to not load the sling to the degree of a rupture of the sling itself or as you say, with dramatic effects on the structure of our body. It is true, dynamic rope can in the right circumstance help. Again, resting systems are for resting and if properly loaded there shall be no reason to get into the edge case scenario you use as a base for your call to action. If wrongly utilised yes, the effects you mention can happen, but these are edge case scenarios. On a bridge crossing a static resting system will not 0ut the climber in any danger if properly loaded. The slack is close to none, in case of a fall the climber will mostly swing. Now, let's suppose that the webbing will break, the climber is supposed at all times on a Via Ferrata to be clipped with the Via Ferrata Set to the safety steel cable. Again, the probability for the static webbing to rupture is low is special/edge conditions are not met. For vertical sections, the resting system shall be statically loaded and in this case there is no way of a fall. On vertical segments, the climber shall always stay way below the cable and again, the resting system shall be statically loaded with no chance of dynamic loading. The rupture of the webbing is a possibility if overloaded and the loading of it is dynamic enough under the stress of the overload to trigger that. If the static resting system is misused and a fall occurs yes, the worst can happen. But again, in this case is not the problem of using a static resting system (recommended for the cases where it is properly used) but of improperly using it. Yes, a static sling is meant for static loads. A resting situation is founded on the premise of a static load. The recomandation to employ the help of the resting system (if conditions of zero slack and no possibility of static load are met) is because if properly utilised it increases comfort and safety. It is important to understand all these details. It is also important to understand that the role of a resting system is to rest and shall not be utilised for personal protection on Via Ferrata. The only device to always be used on a Via Ferrata for personal protection shall be the Via Ferrata Set.
Confusing video, for me. Do I understand that you are using 3 systems to make your way on a track, instead using one that overpower all 3? Petzl Dual Connect does the same thing all 3 on you do. Having multiple systems can cause more danger than, learning offtrack, using your Connect to deploy and make your muscle memmory with how to use it. 22kn from a static fall you will never get. Most of the tests i've seen are around max 8/10kn.
Is not a track. It is a Via Ferrata. On a Via Ferrata you climb using the Via Ferrata system made as a base from the sitting harness, Via Ferrata Set and helmet. Anything else added to the system is optional and aims at helping, aiding and improving the experience. A resting system shall be used for resting and not as a replacement to the Via Ferrata Set. The Via Ferrata Set shall be always, at any time connected to your belay loop as per manufacturer's instructions and the to the safety steel cable of Via Ferrata. Everything is theoretical numbers. A 15 rated lanyard close to the end of live might as well hold statically only 1kn or even less. It depends on multiple factors.
Nice video as usual, just let me give my 2 cents. I will go to Europe this year and I will do my first ferrata(s) there since there are none where I live. However, my background is in rock/ice/alpine climbing and because of that I will bring my Petzl connect adjust with me just for rests. I agree with you that the simpler the system the better it is, but for me, I am perfectly used to Petzl one. I am aware of its limitations and I know how to rack it on my harnesses for not being in the way and for quick deployment since I am using it for years. For me personally buying that CT Y sling would not have any benefits. However, if some beginner is buying a completely new gear, I can see that it would be beneficial for them.
Totally agree with you. There is zero reason for you to buy something else.
Let's take it differently. If you only climb a Via Ferrata once in a while or maybe twice in three or five years but rock climb every other day or do something similar it makes perfect sense to just reuse a perfect piece of gear. Based on what Via Ferrata you will go most probably you will not even need it.
I totally agree with you. There is no reason to buy a different piece of equipment. You are proficient with what you have, you have plenty reason to use it, you will most probably climb Via Ferrata only once in a while. There is no reason to spend on CT Y for example.
As you say, someone who is buying the system from scratch, someone who knows will climb regularly and someone who has no issue with spending money on something that will not be that functional while rock climbing but maybe goes canyoneering buying CT Y makes sense.
We shall all remember that what is most important is to have a functional resting system. And many times, functional means what you can best manage and leverage when needed.
I totally agree with you. I hope you will love your Via Ferrata experience. Try not to compare it with your usual climbing. It is more about enjoying the viewed on sides of the mountain and at heights otherwise hard to reach as a rock climber.
As I couldn't find a good retailer for the Ypsilon here, I went with the Edelrid Switch Double. Pretty much the same and has been doing its job fine (rated to 15kN), so it could be a good alternative if you guys don't find the Ypsilon.
If you're resting you don't need 22KN as you won't fall, hence I prefer the petzel
22kn is relative to multiple factors that summed will decrease the number and of course function to the base of comparison is less or more relevant. Petzl Connect Adjust and Ypsilon from Climbing Technology are not in the same class. Petzl Connect Adjust sits in the same class with Climbing Technology Tuner I or Edelrid Switch Adjust.
Great vids as always! One question: with the ypsilon climbing technology, can I use this for zipline parts of via ferrata?
Yes. Based on your height and wish you can use the shorter or the longer arm of it. Remember, when you zipline, the carabiners of the Via Ferrata Set have to go on the line as well (or the lifeline based on the setup of the zipline). Make sure to always have at least to redundancy connection pints. If you have carabiners going straight on the safety steel cable of the zipline make sure they sit behind the pulley (when I say pulley I mean Tandem from Petzl for example). Usually the carabiners sit on the pulley to avoid friction. Now, friction is good when you break. Breaking can become suddenly dangerous. You can actually breath bones and your back or smash your head. Make sure to have the helmet all the times. Never put the hand infront of the pulley. Make sure you wear full finger gloves that can withstand some heat at least. I guess you probably know all these basic rules. Going back to your question, yes, Ypsilon has all the right elements to make it safe for ziplining on Via Ferrata zipline segments.
@@JetSetYourself thank you very much for the reply! We really enjoy the videos you post!
Please NEVER EVER use a static sling as a "rastschlinge" !
They WILL FAIL VERY EASILY in case of even a minor fall, not to mention that this fall itself can kill you because of extremely large forces working on your spine!
Only use dynamic rope resting slings such as:
Edelrid "Switch Adjust"
Petzl "Connect Adjust"
etc.
Resting implies static load of the sling. There shall be no reason to fall. If properly utilised, a fall shall be static enough to not load the sling to the degree of a rupture of the sling itself or as you say, with dramatic effects on the structure of our body. It is true, dynamic rope can in the right circumstance help. Again, resting systems are for resting and if properly loaded there shall be no reason to get into the edge case scenario you use as a base for your call to action. If wrongly utilised yes, the effects you mention can happen, but these are edge case scenarios. On a bridge crossing a static resting system will not 0ut the climber in any danger if properly loaded. The slack is close to none, in case of a fall the climber will mostly swing. Now, let's suppose that the webbing will break, the climber is supposed at all times on a Via Ferrata to be clipped with the Via Ferrata Set to the safety steel cable. Again, the probability for the static webbing to rupture is low is special/edge conditions are not met.
For vertical sections, the resting system shall be statically loaded and in this case there is no way of a fall. On vertical segments, the climber shall always stay way below the cable and again, the resting system shall be statically loaded with no chance of dynamic loading.
The rupture of the webbing is a possibility if overloaded and the loading of it is dynamic enough under the stress of the overload to trigger that.
If the static resting system is misused and a fall occurs yes, the worst can happen. But again, in this case is not the problem of using a static resting system (recommended for the cases where it is properly used) but of improperly using it.
Yes, a static sling is meant for static loads. A resting situation is founded on the premise of a static load. The recomandation to employ the help of the resting system (if conditions of zero slack and no possibility of static load are met) is because if properly utilised it increases comfort and safety.
It is important to understand all these details. It is also important to understand that the role of a resting system is to rest and shall not be utilised for personal protection on Via Ferrata. The only device to always be used on a Via Ferrata for personal protection shall be the Via Ferrata Set.
Confusing video, for me. Do I understand that you are using 3 systems to make your way on a track, instead using one that overpower all 3?
Petzl Dual Connect does the same thing all 3 on you do. Having multiple systems can cause more danger than, learning offtrack, using your Connect to deploy and make your muscle memmory with how to use it.
22kn from a static fall you will never get. Most of the tests i've seen are around max 8/10kn.
Is not a track. It is a Via Ferrata. On a Via Ferrata you climb using the Via Ferrata system made as a base from the sitting harness, Via Ferrata Set and helmet. Anything else added to the system is optional and aims at helping, aiding and improving the experience.
A resting system shall be used for resting and not as a replacement to the Via Ferrata Set. The Via Ferrata Set shall be always, at any time connected to your belay loop as per manufacturer's instructions and the to the safety steel cable of Via Ferrata.
Everything is theoretical numbers. A 15 rated lanyard close to the end of live might as well hold statically only 1kn or even less. It depends on multiple factors.