Type 100 / 44 (Late Pattern) Japanese SMG
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The Japanese never really embraced submachine guns during and before World War Two. A series of development programs in the 1920s and 30s led nowhere, and there never really seems to have been much motivation behind them. Some small batches of guns were purchased from abroad for units like the Special Naval Landing Force, comprising things like SIG Model 1920 Bergmann guns and Steyr MP34s. Finally in the late 30s, apparently spurred by Japanese experience in the taking of Shanghai, Kijiro Nambu replaced his complex early designs with a simple blowback open-bolt gun chambered for the standard 8mm Nambu pistol cartridge. This was tested and accepted in 1940 as the Type 100.
The early 1940 model of the Type 100 had a distinctive underdog on the barrel shroud for attaching a bayonet, and some examples had bipods or simplistic folding stocks. It wasn’t until 1944 that the design was simplified and production increased - although still not to a level that would be considered significant in any other army. Only about 8,000 of the 1944 pattern guns were made. They had a higher rate of fire (about 800 rpm, compared to 450 rpm on the 1940 pattern), and used a different 30-round curved magazine as well.
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I like how in every WW2 game there are 100s of these everywhere in the pacific missions.
Except for Rising Storm. Only the assaults and squad leaders get them in that game. The low level Type 100 is also the ratty one while the high level one has a nice finish, a slower firerate and an attached bayonet.
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@@G-Mastah-Fash Red Orchestra 2/Rising Storm is the best WW2 shooter ever
@@bLEKI557 Basically every RO/RS game is a buggy and broken fucking mess but they're still pretty good. Forgotten Hope and Darkest Hour are better overall.
@@bLEKI557 Also Rising Storm 2 Vietnam
What? A gun designed by Nambu that can fire accidentally? Impossible!
What nonsense are you spouting. There is no accidental about it.
It is for surrendering honouraby. So that you can make one more American buy the farm.
Impossibru
Imshibure
The Type 94 is impossible to accidentally discharge if you’re handling it like a normal person. Just having the safety on prevents this. The Luger P.08 has a similar exposed sear, but no one seems to lose their mind over that.
@@_ArsNova Nope but more than a few GIs lost toes over an exposed sear.
It's really easy to do that when you're not familiar with how an exposed sear operates. Doubly so when you're used to sane designs that usually have 2 or 3 safety mechanisms.
As an example even the Grease Gun had a locking bolt . And they were intentionally trying to build a welfare gun.
It still astonishes me how the Japanese were the only nation not to go all-in on Submachine guns in WW2, how Australia and Finland outproduced them.
Imagine what a nightmare some of the battles would have been if the IJA had been armed with SMGs at the same scale as the Soviet Army😮
Even more so when you consider the environments that much of the fighting was done in and that Australia didn't produce its first sub machine gun until half way through the war.
Well the Japanese Army was primarily equipped for fighting in open country in China, and that’s where it still did the majority of its land combat in WWII. Japanese industry was very limited, and they didn’t enjoy massive aid from anyone like the US. Tooling up for new weapons was far more costly for them, and not really feasible in the middle of total war. If they could’ve magicked some Type 100 production lines into existence though, I’m sure they would have.
@@_ArsNova All very good points.
@@_ArsNovaI also heard stories about doctrines encouraged precision shooting instead of wasting ammo with submachineguns😂 idk if it was true
As the grandchild of a Japanese woman born during WWII and a 20 year US Marine, I also feel the primal need to fix a bayonet onto absolutely everything.
It's a powerful urge, and I'm not even Japanese.
I'm surprised they didn't put bayonets on their Nambu pistols
@sharonrigs7999 I mean, there was this one guy who also thought that, and promptly decided to ducttape a katana to the handle of one.
And those bayonets were no joke, either. Not a little 6-inch knife. The bayonet’s longer than the barrel!
Oh wow, nature and nurture.
Do you put a bayonet on your knives?
The Japanese tactic of attacking at close range at night would have made more sense if they equipped leading troops with SMG's.
Given the Japanese focus on the charge, I have always been surprised they didn't make nearly as heavy a use of SMGs as the Soviets. SMGs (especially with Type.30 bayonets fixed) just seem to so perfectly fit with the militant imperialist version of Bushido they pushed so hard.
I mean, SMGs practically *force* your troops to engage the enemy more closely.
@@geodkyt well ian explains it in the video, if you're close you're supposed to use a knife or maybe that sword.
i dunno maybe they thought they were all carl lewis grade runners or that the other side wouldn't have smg's. overall it sounds silly but japs did a lot of silly things then and continue to this day.
@@geodkytThere was no such Japanese tactical focus “on the charge”. This is a false assumption that is a byproduct of Western obsession with the so-called “Banzai charge”. Something which didn’t occur as often as people assume. Mostly in last ditch attacks when all hope of victory was already gone.
@@_ArsNova If I remember correctly, GIs prefer the charges over the guerilla fighting because they can end the fight as cleanly and quickly as possible and by mowing down the charging Japanese which is pretty understandable seeing how much guerilla warfare would've sucked in the dense jungle... wait a minute.
They probably wanted to die honorable instead of suffering for longer 😂
Hello, I am a Japanese gun enthusiast. Thank you for introducing our country's Type 100 submachine gun.
Well for us gamers who played World at War that was our into to this thing and it was hell.
I will say, one overarching theme between Japanese firearms of the era, mostly ones designed by Kojiro Nambu, is that they have the best takedown methods. Something which is rarely appreciated, especially by the all the gamers who comment on these videos. The ease and convenience of being able to take it apart quickly, especially for regular soldiers, is a massive time-saving advantage. More time to entrench or do other essential tasks. Particularly in the era of corrosive ammunition. Taking apart a Kar98k bolt and a Type 99 bolt is like night and day.
As a relatively new collector who got interested in guns through playing military shooters, I gotta say the more guns I get, the more I appreciate good, intuitive takedown methods.
Exactly, one of the most important features in a weapon designed for combat is that the soldier, partisan, paramilitary guy, whatever issued the weapon, should be able to quickly and easily disassemble it for cleaning and maintenance. If the gun isn't cleaned and oiled appropriately, that's where you get a lot of malfunctions and broken guns, if not guns undergoing rapid self disassembly while in use. This of course proved disastrous during the early adoption of the M16, as they weren't issued with appropriate cleaning kits, among some other problems.
As a commenting gamer who owns a Type 99 I’d have to agree, I don’t see that many people mention how amazing the bolt is on the Type 99 when it comes to disassembly and the safety too which is also night and day compared to a Mosin Nagant.
@@N0sf3r4tuR1s3n, yes, in regards to the early M16, no cleaning kits and ammo made with surplus ball propellant because of the bean counters trying to pinch pennies.
Is it possible that logistics also had some bearing on the Japanese lack of enthusiasm for submachine guns? At the beginning of the war, Japan was operating with very long lines of supply and a limited industrial base. The idea of a relatively inaccurate gun that chews through bullets very quickly (the common view of the type) would not have sat well with people responsible for getting all those bullets to the front line. In the later war, the supply lines are shorter and maximising firepower for every remaining soldier might have made it more appealing.
True, they were taking cooking pots and all manner of other objects from civilians to melt down the copper to make ammunition.
@@FoxtrotFleet To be fair, look at the recycling programs in the UK and the USA at that time and throughout the war. Total war, is a total thing.
@@FoxtrotFleet In fairness, the UK had a scrap drive for aluminium cookware at the beginning of WW2 so they could build more aircraft. Recycling became a thing long before the modern concept - even used paper, cardboard and cooking fats were collected for re-use. Special recipes for (using the term loosely) food were promulgated. Many pets were exterminated so that they would not consume human-suitable food. They were not mucking around.
Germany started making fats derived from coal as a butter substitute when the real stuff ran short (60-ish kilos of coal to make 1 kilo of butter-oid).
The fact that the Army and Naval Air Forces used different guns and calibers for their respective aircraft didn’t help ammunition logistics. For example, the Army copied the British Vickers .50 (12.7x81) but the Navy copied the Hotchkiss 13.2mm. They had different 20mm guns and rounds. 7.7x58R and 7.7x56R… it’s worse than this but you get the point
Hence, the bayonet.
holy shit finally the type 100!
The Japanese soldiers in World at War had more of these than Arisakas, probably why I nearly ripped my hair out on Veteran.
And no shortage of grenades
Nah the Germans, Japanese, and Italians, all simply slowed down producing bullets and prioritized grenades instead in World at War's universe.
Thankfully the AI is horribly inaccurate with SMGs unless you're right up against them. SMGs also give you the least amount of aim punch and does the least damage, so they're probably the easiest thing to deal with in world at war veteran.
@@queuedjar4578 True, I was far more traumatised by the bolt actions on veteran removing 90% of your health with a single hit
Same
Bro I’ve been waiting on this vid since like 2016 back when he covered all the Japanese semi automatic rifles.
With type 100's being as unfathomably rare as they are it's a miracle we even get this video at all much less covering a very late war version.
Even the Japanese realized that using double-stack, single-feed mags was a bad idea.
I’ve been waiting for this episode since I first started watching the channel
Same here. Ian has said that he has done a Type 100 before, but didn't publish/scrapped the video as the gun malfunctioned quite a bit.
Same.. I've seen 2 of these in 45 years. They really are that scarce.
Lets not forget that from the second Arisaka type, it really is Nambu design. He changed so much that it is no longer an Arisaka. The bolt was an even stronger Mauser type than the K98K.
This is true. Type 38/99 is the best Mauser-action rifle from this period. Kojiro Nanbu was the man who designed a huge swathe of Japanese arms. Always found it strange how the name “Arisaka” was the one that stuck to the rifles in Western literature.
@@_ArsNovamy guess is because the pistol is colloquially known as simply "the nambu" so Arisaka helps with ease of reference.
@@_ArsNova Arisaka made the first one. And then it stuck I guess. Othais made an excellent video explaining it.
Just to clarify, I would say that the Japanese SNLF were not what we would consider 'elite' troops in that they did not undergo a rigorous selection process nor did they receive special training. The were regular IJN sailors who had undergone basic infantry training, like every other sailor, but were peeled off to form infantry units after being given whatever Japanese Army weapons and uniforms were available. What was amazing was their accomplishments given their rather lowly beginnings.
If it doesn't take a bayonet i dont want it
Ill weld a bayonet lug on my lunge mine 🤣
@@yesthecrumbs5806 I heard recently that the US used to jerryrig a knife or bayonet onto their M1 carbines during WW2, especially in the Pacific.
@@peterkerr4019That (and the way M1 Carbines ended up seeing WAY more "frontline" service than originally intended, rather than being used solely as the PDW they were designed as) were why one of the first large scale changes implemented on the M1 (beginning even before the end of WWII, albeit most guns didn't get them until their first post-war refurb) was the "Korean War" bayonet mount and the M4 bayonet (and M3 "fighting knife" with a bayonet mount system... and it went on to be the standard US bayonet basic design - changing mounting patterns for each weapon - into the 1980s and the M16, before finally being replaced by the M9.) The M4 bayonet and the corresponding bayonet lug addition for the carbine were standardized in 1944, but really only got into the field in tiny numbers in 1945.
Hence those 20" Nambu belt holsters.....
Most honorable of you.
A gun collector friend had a type 100 (probably early model) he captured while fighting with the Army in New Guinea. He said the Japanese had painted it green. Never heard of them painting their guns before. And no, he unfortunatly didn't have a chance to bring it home.
TO&E of a Japanese 10 man infantry squad in Call of Duty: World at War:
8 x Type 100 SMG's
1 x Type 99 rifle
1 x Type 97 LMG
1000 hand grenades
TO & E?
@@seanmurry6903Table of order and equipment.
@@seanmurry6903 Table of Organization and Equipment.
The anecdote about the bolts/mags being dumped was brilliant!
True but it DID save lives. Marines + alcohol = massive problems.
Actually Japanese did make another new shorter bayonet with a 7.7 inch blade
It's called Type 2 from what I read, addopted in year 1942
they were made specifically for paratrooper, whom will also have smg like type 100 in their armory
This is a collector's misnomer. The official Name was 'Test Type 1,' as it was formally adopted for test issue in 1941 but never formally approved for full use, though it was carried on some combat missions.
Ah yes..The type 100. one of my favorite obscure weapons of WW2. Thanks Ian. Really appreciate the close look.
I wonder if he'd somehow by sheer luck acquire a Nambu Type 1 to do a video on, of which only about 50 were produced - at least from the info I could find.
Tear downs of sub machine guns are always my favorite on this channel. I love seeing just how simple the design philosophy usually is for them.
The fact that a Type 100 made it's way to the US proves that there's some kind of cosmic force out there.
Gun Jesus
I mean they were issued on Luzon where US troops fought
The bayonet is unironically longer than the barrel…
Ian, you DO NOT have to put the bayonet on. We are here to help.
***pushes chairs in circle***
If the Japanese put a bayonet on a HMG, he can put one on the SMG lol
It took me a while to get that! Is that a meeting or an intervention?
Has anybody else...ever been so sleep deprived they once thought the M777's towing hitch was a bayonet lug?
I mean...contingencies never hurt, right?
@@hypervious8878an older friend of mine (Vietnam Marine vet) speaks of one time when - for laughs - the pilots in his squadron all marched out as if on parade, and "mounted" bayonets on the pitot tubes of their fighters. 😂
@@geodkyt 🤣🤣🤣
Always wondered about the lack of SMGs in the IJA, thanks Ian
This is such a welcome surprise, I've been waiting for Ian to cover the Type 100 in detail for over a decade at this point. It was definately worth the wait!
Despite Kijiro Nambu's name being attached to this weapon, the actual design work was reportedly done by Lt. Col. Sadamitsu Taguchi, who also designed a copy of the Czech ZH 29 rifle (Type Otsu) which was not adopted.
Similarly the earlier Nambu Model 1 and Model 2 prototypes mentioned in this video, which preceded the Type 100 (which was the Model 3), were apparently the work of Maj. Gen. Shikanosuke Tokunaga, not Nambu himself. Nambu's name was attached to a lot of guns that he probably didn't design but which were developed at his factory in Tokyo.
Any sources on that? I'd like to read a little more about this.
The average japanese soldier of the time was 5'3" and about 120 lbs. Why they didnt think to heavily implement a light, nifty gun is beyond me.
They probably thought what they had was fine for fighting China...China wasn't exactly well armed at the time. SMG's there was rare too, afaik the most common one was full auto c96's.
It makes zero sense. The japanese were always upto date. I dont buy the idea they were too "blade centric" They were involved with china who had C96 mausers and a variety of sub machine guns. "yeah bro they just preferred swords, just believe the narrative bro" load of tripe
Holy smokes you have no idea how excited I am to see the Type 100 featured on your channel!
Oh no, Ian, you are wrong. Marines and soldiers on troop ships were not allowed alcohol, but just enjoyed the ice cream freezers. As a side nit, when a late buddy was shipped home from the ETO, he said the amount of booze snuck aboard and consumed was "astronomical." He was astonished at the variety as well. Bill started out as an anti-aircraft gunner in the US ("I guess they thought the Heines were going invade Long Island") and ended up fighting in the Battle of the Bulge, seeing much combat. I would have hit the booze on the way home too in his shoes.
A ship full of bored combat veterans from rival services could be as bad as drunk ones...
@@petesheppard1709 They were kinda crammed in there, from what I gather
@@jayfelsberg1931 That wouldn't help matters at all.
Probably seen more Type 100 playing World at War than there was ever produced
FINALLY. he's finally reviewed every gun ive wanted to see.
I’ve been waiting for this episode!
Really refreshing to get a classic video, thanks
Oh my god, I've been waiting forever for a Type 100 to show up on forgotten weapons.
Been looking forward to this one for ages! Thank you
Definitely one of my favourite historical forgotten weapons to see on the channel! I can't wait to see a video on the early pattern as well!
Many thanks for this presentation Ian. There was a lot of knowledge that filled up the gap that I was experiencing. Kudos mate!
Amazing detailed analysis, great video again!
I've been waiting for this video for years. This is my favorite gun, using it in so many games. Seeing you finally get your hands on one and make a video of it made me so happy, thank you.
Another excellent video as always. Thanks for sharing
Had a Type 100 with the correct magazine brought back by a WW2 vet. Often, GI's were allowed to bring back the gun but not the mag, making this mag rarer than the gun itself. Someone had chromed it and it was typical Japanese with moderate quality. The firing pin was missing. It was neat but it felt cheap compared to my Thompson. It now sits in a museum along with another bring back", an STG 44 with an MP43 mag.
THANK YOU IAN. Always quality, interesting content. Thank's for posting.
I've been hoping for this one for ages!
Ive been waiting for this one for ages! Thanks ian
Frickin early gang checking in
nobody cares.
@@Freddercheese besides you!
Gang gang
Is 19 minutes early enough?
@Freddercheese And yet you did enough to comment. Thanks for caring.
You're absolutely right, Ian, that thing is super cool!
Finally i waiting Soo long to see how does this smg work. Thank sir😃
Thanks Ian
Please read about this true story,,,,
I worked as a Landfill Inspector and apparently during the Clinton ARB years the USMC’s found a large wooden crate that had been lost at USMC Logistics Base in Dagget California since 1945 that had been sent back to the USA by a high ranking Marine from the PTO and it contained 302 guns that would have been in use during WWII in the Pacific Theater of Operation 03 Springfields , Thompsons, M1 Carbines & Garands, BARs, Johnson rifles, & so on, around a thousand Samari swords, and around a hundred Japanese rifles with two of these rare Japanese SMG’s according to the base commander who I spoke with to see if the Marines would have any trouble in me trying to recover these guns from a closed site Landfill that they had been barred in since the Marines had found them. He wanted as many Samari swords as possible and the two Japanese SMGs along with other types of guns that were in there. Apparently two 22 ton Euclid dump trucks left the base, the one with the rifles ended up at the then active site landfill.
I spoke with all three of persons working at the site that day. They took a dozer and pushed up the pile of guns up the side slope to the top hinge of the cell and they fell into a void at the top edge, then they ran the dozer back down and pushed up some trash and placed it next to the guns and tracked it in.
The driver signed off the paperwork and then the three guys at the sight took home guns out of the pile.
L took home a 1928 Thompson SMG with a 100rd FBI drum that I have physically seen, touched and looked over that I believe is currently on the Navajo reservation in AZ.
B took a 1903 Springfield and a 1917 Eddestone Enfield.
D said that he took 20 guns and he wouldn’t tell me anything about what kinds of guns that he took, and got very pissed off at me and told me that the 20 guns that he took and the ones that were still barred in the ground were his retirement program and that if he would have known then what they were worth then in the mid 2000’s that he would have taken them all.
I don’t know what happened to the Samari swords, but they never made it to the landfill.
D the guy that took the 20 was in supervision with our current LF contractor at that time and to protect the guns from me getting them, burned me down with my superintend who had been on board with recovering these guns and almost got me fired.
So are they still there?
Probably,.
Will they ever be dug up?
No chance what so ever.
Any thanks again Ian for bringing us yet another very rare gun.
It's kind of wild they don't have a system to get rid of historical artifacts like that without destroying them. Like at least auction them off or donate them to a museum
In response to a question
When I spoke with the base commander by phone he said that he wasn’t the base commander at the time that they found the crate, and due to the Clinton AR ban that was in effect at that time the then at the time base commander didn’t want to get into any trouble with his career and retirement so he was the one who just gave the orders to have everything just throw away.
And that is the same thing that happened to me with my superintendent, who is not a gun or history guy and was only concerned about his career, reputation and retirement.
Not everyone cares about guns and preserving history.
As is the case with our current government.
Elections have consequences, always remember that.
As a Brit, I must commend the Japanese their love of giving everything and everyone a shiv
Been waiting for a video on this forever.
That's a great looking Type 100
Cool, thanks Ian .
Oooooooh, I've been waiting for this one for a long time!
Been waiting for this video for soooo long
Just in time for Lunch!! Found myself watching a video everyday!
I like this submachine gun a lot
Almost nobody has made a video of this weapon
Thanks Ian 😊
Been waiting for this
that's a beautifully simple design.
Thanks very much.
I have been waiting for this video for over 7 years
a very long anticipated episode
Thank you gun jesus now i know more of this gun
Great content as always!!!
The early pattern has quite an impressive bayonet mount and a bipod. The bayonet mount gives it the look of a gas operated system
thanks for sharing
Been waiting for this video for ages, thanks ian :))) i find japanese firearms interesting
My grandad actually invaded Japan on his own in 1945 and brought back 8001 of these. He said it was the best SMG of the war, and that he personally took down several emperors with it.
every gun needs a bayonet
Why is there a need for cold steel?
Thanks!
Wow not expecting see this! Cool!
In Polish TV Show from the 60s "Four Tank-Men and a Dog" EP01 there is a scene with Japanese commando armed with that one, however it was a lanchester smg, so yes, quite a scarce gun.
While the world was studying the art of submachine guns, Japan was studying the blade
The Japanese instilled in their troops that it was their fighting spirit that would win the fight. They expected their troops to get in close and use the bayonet. Look at many of the pictures of Japanese soldiers and you’ll see most of the rifles have their bayonets mounted on them. They should have figured by the end of 1943 a submachine gun would be definitely needed in the dense jungles.
I think two barriers towards Imperial Japan streaming out submachine guns were the tooling, facilities, and manufacturing expertise ramp up it would have required for the guns and ammo, compounded by the open question of if the Type 100 in 8mm Nambu was the best design and caliber to go whole hog for in a hypothetical mass production scenario.
I can’t believe he finally made a video on the type 100! Took so long for it to be real and it’s great there’s finally a video on it
I've clicked on this so fast lmao, I've been waiting for the day where you actually made a video on this smg :D
Finally, the Type 100 submachine gun.
One of my favourite WWII SMG designs in terms of aesthetics. :D
Ive been waiting for this video since like 2011
That bayonet is super fine
I have been waiting for this video, for years. "Why doesn't Ian talk about this gun!?!?!?!". Thank you Ian.
I ve been waiting for this episode for years to come, god bless you Gun Jesus 🙏
wow thats a super interesting tip at the end about why these magazines are so uncommon. i had no idea what the rules would have been like regarding bring backs like this!
Ian being that someone to take it home soo he can complete his dad's japanese firearms collection!
a great very interesting video and sag Mr.GJ.have a good one Mr.GJ.
These were fantastic in call of duty world at war
Very cool, thanks for putting this video together! Our reproduction is well underway - we're in the midst of relocating our business to Texas, but we're hoping to have a functional prototype up and running by the end of May. All the CAD is done, and we're in the process of getting quotes for the initial run of prototype parts.
Finally nice to see this rare smg
I've read the reason the Japanese didn't push for a submachine gun is that they preferred light machine guns for automatic fire in small unit combat. Japanese infantry battalions had more machine guns (or BAR type weapons) that US Army or Marine infantry battalions which makes you aware of how savage the fighting could get.
"Bayonetcentric"
Japanese tank commanders where the first to wave their samurai swords and order their tank driver to: "Bring me closer so I can hit them with my sword!" long before it became a 40K meme
Cool Ian! 👍
Great'' Very Interesting , Thank you Ian 💯💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
always loved Japanese lights arms
I saw plenty of these years ago on CoD World at War Pacific missions. I don't know how I survived.
I’ve held one. The Washington National Guard museum has/had certain days when they opened up their armory and you can hold some of the guns.
FYI, there was a purpose “shortened” version of the Type 30, known as the Type 100 bayonet that was produced to pair with this sub-machine gun as well as with the Type 2 “paratrooper” rifle. Quite rare in its own right.
Thank you for the history, and your honest (also informed and expert) opinion on the doctrine(s) that created a lack of interest/priority in developing SMGs for the IJA and IJN. People forget how much doctrine drives development.
I imagine the circular seer hole is for the sake of simplified production. Drilling a circular hole is easier than machining a cornered shape, then the seer itself can be made of round stock, which is also simpler to make.
Finally!!!! Type 100!!! Any chance that you can make videos on the even rarer Japanese experimental smgs?