OIL PAINTER REACTS: IS YOUR ART STYLE “IRRELEVANT?”

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Komentáře • 137

  • @savagepoet6269
    @savagepoet6269 Před 2 lety +35

    Usually when an artist blatantly attacks another artists work like that its because they're struggling with their own so they lash out. I've seen this a lot on social media but rarely in normal every day life. That guy was just rude and a dick!

    • @savagepoet6269
      @savagepoet6269 Před 2 lety +6

      @dev null I don't think anyone here is going to attack you for your opinion. But this is CZcams comments, people usually argue over nothing, so... In the original video a guy is plein air painting in a park when someone passing by, an older gentlemen basically bashes the other guys painting in a very mean spirited way. It wasn't constructive at all but rather a put down. All artists can be sensitive you're right. But I don't think anyone would appreciate unwelcomed advise directed in such a way. The plein air painter was actually pretty chill about the situation. Shocked but calm... Anyways hope this helps! 👋👍

    • @carlossalgado5205
      @carlossalgado5205 Před 2 lety

      JUST ENJOY IT. LIFE IS NOT TOO COMPLICATED BUT TOO SHORT

  • @warholscircus
    @warholscircus Před 2 lety +15

    The world is a vast and magical place where a piece of art you never thought would sell, sells in "a New York minute" the very second you break it out for display. That is art. No accounting for it. And, the piece you thought would sell instantly, you still have, and seems clingy as a booger... lmao. And, that is life. Art/life, the two are interchangeable in their unpredictable natures. The best piece of advice I can give a young artist is, if a piece isn't selling for what you want for it, raise the price! Trust me. Thank me later.

    • @Viktoria_Linda
      @Viktoria_Linda Před rokem

      Да это реально так работает! Я тоже с этим столкнулась , поднимаешь цену и работа мгновенно продаётся!

  • @Lauragld
    @Lauragld Před 2 lety +2

    Well said....I love watching Woodie painting and how open he is to all the people passing by. This is a beautiful painting Chelsea 💕

  • @Imawatches
    @Imawatches Před 2 lety +16

    Lovely painting and lovely advice, this really is true

  • @KayInMaine
    @KayInMaine Před 2 lety +1

    I've been following Woodie Webber for awhile now, I love his paintings, and I find them so unique. Sometimes he does have other artists or non-artists say ridiculous things to him. he is so patient! Most of the time, though, people are just wow'd with what he's doing on the canvas in front of them. Lots of great conversations he has with New Yorkers. Another artist once said on his CZcams channel that everything that can be painted has been painted, but it's how YOU paint it that sets it apart from the rest. I love Woodie's unique style of painting and I love your beautiful art too, Chelsea!!!!

  • @sallygruber2749
    @sallygruber2749 Před 2 lety +1

    I saw that exchange with Woodie and that man. Thank you for talking about it.

  • @rpennybrown
    @rpennybrown Před 2 lety +2

    The park critic had an opinion and expressed it without being impolite. I think other cultures may be less touchy compared to our US culture, and treat elders with respect for the greater amount of time they have had to observe. He spoke of his desire to see more painters doing their own personal response to the natural world, which he assumes would be obvious by what he could see on the canvas. What he said was interesting, not offensive. At least that is the version I decided to keep after filtering what he said. The higher the quantity of art works we look at over time, I feel the more defined we become in what we allow in our own internal gallery of works we each hold as masterpieces. Our 'prejudice' for such works sometimes shows.

    • @arnold-hu4vk
      @arnold-hu4vk Před 2 lety

      Totally agree

    • @Watkinsstudio
      @Watkinsstudio Před 2 lety

      The park critic was massively impolite. He interrupted an artist at work to tell him his painting in progress was irrelevant. Really rude.

  • @hotlineoperator
    @hotlineoperator Před 2 lety +3

    I enjoy this painting immensely. A liberating experience. I was constantly waiting for you to start adding details, and then the work was finished as it is.

  • @donnascornfreecooking980

    I watched this video and was not surprised by what that bystander was saying to the artist. As someone who has never been to art school, I do paint in oils. It is my love. I am pretty much self taught and do it because it is an expression of myself. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks of it or whether it is irrelevant or not. I am doing what I love. My experience with so called art critics was in the form of my art teacher in high school. She informed me to stay as far away from art as possible because I was a no talent who could not draw. I was so devastated because art was the one thing I loved more than anything else. So i know what it's like to be torn down to a point that you feel worthless. I say that art is in the mind's eye and it's what you make of it. It doesn't matter what someone else thinks. Thanks for the encouraging and beautiful video.

  • @maria-doloresvazquez-abad4221

    Two for one! THANK YOU. You have given us a narrative that is profound and a visual that is thoroughly enjoyable. I will watch and listen to this one several times. Interestingly: I watched Woodie's video yesterday. I am glad he was courageous enough to post it. How many times do we "bury" or "hide" negative criticism directed at us or at our work? And sadly: How sad when this criticism blunts our potential. Loli

  • @debramoss2267
    @debramoss2267 Před 2 lety +3

    It happens with many artistic professions that have a constant flow of change, someone is always delighted to belittle anyone to seem superior. My great-grandma was a wonderful observer of human behaviour and had an Irish wisdom that I still hear whenever someone attempts the same with me,
    "Now don't you be givin' your lightshine to feckin eejits"
    🤭🤣 ☘️

  • @alexis5350
    @alexis5350 Před 2 lety +2

    I LOVE your work, Chelsea, as well as your words of wisdom. Thank you!!

  • @arcuda2001
    @arcuda2001 Před 2 lety +2

    that older man was very frustrated man , and vented on a target , which happened to be woodie.. woodie showed incredible grace and patience , in the way he handled it ... thanks for this video , and your insights .. norakag, here 😊

  • @alexandraalexandre126
    @alexandraalexandre126 Před 2 lety +1

    The painting is lovely and through your brush stroke we can feel your determination to remain yourself

  • @veronicaheinrich2454
    @veronicaheinrich2454 Před 2 lety

    Wise, relevant and inspiring words. Thanks for this post, wonderful channel.
    I also love that quote and have it framed in my studio to gather strength when I (or someone close to me) need(s) it

  • @RachelBalunsat
    @RachelBalunsat Před 2 lety +1

    You are so good! This channel is loaded with gems. Beautiful inspiring paintings accompanied by such wonderful discussions and excellent tips❣️ I love it! My passion for painting keeps getting fueled❣️

  • @davidradecky5399
    @davidradecky5399 Před 2 lety +2

    As an artist myself in a situation like this I just ignore the person’s rude comment and continue with my work. Sure it hurts but I know deep down in my heart that guy is wrong. And as a challenge if I had to say anything to him I would turn around and tell him “if you think you know so much about art than me then here are some brushes and some paint and you show me how to do this!” The point here I am making is I don’t put up with BS and if that individual is going out of his or her way to be rude then more than likely he sucks. And it will show in his or lack of ability. I turn the cheek and stay humble. Because it’s one person and many others are your fans.

  • @HeatherShreve
    @HeatherShreve Před rokem

    I had that TR quote printed in a poster... so true. And it extends to writing, I find people who don't write or have original TV projects LOVE to lay out all these cautions and why it won't work! Well, I only listen to people who ARE original and have been in that arena a while.

  • @Unclefacts
    @Unclefacts Před 2 lety +1

    best advice I ever got about criticism of my art was, 'you must ignore the negative critics. you must also ignore the good ones.'

  • @nikkiswenson54
    @nikkiswenson54 Před 2 lety

    Thank you! I needed to hear this today! You spoke about this subject wisely!!

  • @lindamlynch
    @lindamlynch Před 2 lety

    I recently stumbled across your videos and I really appreciate your commentary. There is wisdom and encouragement, and mental stimulation, not just painting instruction. Thank you.

    • @ChelseaLang
      @ChelseaLang  Před rokem

      Thank you so much Linda! That's such a meaningful compliment. :) If you're interested in one-to-one mentorship to go even further, I'd love to hear from you. :) The link to connect with me is: webinar.chelsealang.com/book-a-call-page-template1618080185703

  • @samanrizwan1123
    @samanrizwan1123 Před 2 lety +2

    your work is beautiful and very helpful for many who understand art , dont listen to negative people they are in every field .

  • @barbou2you
    @barbou2you Před 2 lety

    Your brushes are magic! That is a gift! It will take me years to use that palette! I'll keep painting! Thanks for the inspiration!

  • @photomatto
    @photomatto Před 2 lety +2

    Wonderful words to live by and a beautiful painting!

  • @roslynscobie6561
    @roslynscobie6561 Před 2 lety

    Beautifully said beautifully painted thankyou Chelsa

  • @drbob528
    @drbob528 Před 2 lety

    Brava Brene'! 4 years ago, when I was 76, I began painting ... and loved it. Did I show my work to anyone who might be supportive? No ... maybe I wasn't yet ready to face rejection.. The first person I did show a painting to said "it's too dark". A year later, someone else asked "how much it it?". Now I listen only to those who commission me to do new works ;-)

  • @ingridcarmak4268
    @ingridcarmak4268 Před 2 lety +1

    your story is so true..recognize it all ..for me however the knowing how I feel when I paint(namely happy and enjoying every second..😊)is the most important ..and yes there are ups and downs and sweet and even tears but girl ..isn’t it nice when we learn..!when we feel we are getting better !..😃lovely painting and lovely words Chelsea..👍🏻
    ..happy painting to you too..!👋😎. Greetings from Croatia..❤️

  • @GayanthiPereraArt
    @GayanthiPereraArt Před 2 lety +2

    Thank you for this, really enjoyed watching your process and listening to your opinion 😊

  • @huntsail3727
    @huntsail3727 Před 2 lety +2

    So much wisdom here, amazing, thank you!

  • @beckywebb1916
    @beckywebb1916 Před 2 lety +1

    Ah, I saw that video. I wish we could see that critic’s work. The artist had the best reaction to him.
    Beautiful, loose painting!

  • @curlew-3592
    @curlew-3592 Před 2 lety

    I live in the UKand worked in an art gallery.
    There is a golden rule over here.
    You NEVER EVER criticise another artists work no matter what the situation.
    Some things just don’t need to be said.
    Your art is masterful in its true meaning 😁👍🇬🇧

  • @nolastakem9131
    @nolastakem9131 Před 2 lety

    I love watching you create!

  • @deborahpruitt5855
    @deborahpruitt5855 Před 2 lety +2

    Loved the painting and the subject.

  • @ilrgawarncke314
    @ilrgawarncke314 Před 2 lety +1

    Thank you, this video was insightful and inspirational. Sometimes your worst critic is yourself. I'm getting back to painting now!

  • @free5pirit01
    @free5pirit01 Před 2 lety

    I completely agree with you Chelsea. I was really surprised by how many people in the comments were defending the old man. First of all I think unsolicited advice is never appropriate. But secondly, is this man trying to say that you shouldn't bother painting unless you've created a brand new style that's never been done before? And that art isn't valid unless it's desirable by collectors? I mean, not everyone's aim is to be a commercial success. But beyond that, how is one supposed to innovate if we don't have a handle on the fundamentals? Why must there be this pressure to be the next big thing and reinvent the wheel? Finding your style is a process and a journey. And it may never be something that's never been done before, and that's ok. I can think of only a handful of artists who fundamentally changed the way art was created. The rest have just carried the torch of those before. They were still seen as relevant weren't they?

  • @susanwong6471
    @susanwong6471 Před 2 lety

    I feel that people who choose to be an artist has to be very brave, it is not an easy careers choice, long training and still subject to whether people enjoy your art enough to appreciate and purchase it. On the same token, the world would be a very sad place without artist and their creations. I only recently enrolled in an atelier school while keeping my full time day job, the artistic pursue enrich me in a profound way! Love your utube, always so informative, always so laid back in an encouraging way ❤️🥰♥️💕

  • @donvella8923
    @donvella8923 Před 2 lety

    The old man with an opinion, what makes an artist standout, expressing a personal vision uniquely. The message not an attack, guidance awkwardly stated. Plein Air painting in public makes me feel like I'm completely naked and vulnerable, hoping for "hey that's really cool man" and not "irrelevant". I have gotten defensive too. I say, Webber keep painting because "hey that's really cool man"!!!!!!

  • @evandegenfelder4554
    @evandegenfelder4554 Před 2 lety

    I appreciate your comments here. Well said.

  • @dinafragkia9049
    @dinafragkia9049 Před 2 lety +1

    I love your style.I 'll be watching you!!!!

  • @getoutsideflorida2465
    @getoutsideflorida2465 Před 2 lety

    Wonderful observations and commentary on the “shadow artist”. You hit the nail squarely in the head!

  • @Chacarruna
    @Chacarruna Před 2 lety +1

    I am only a semi-pro artist, however as this other artist, I enjoy Impressionism and plain air styles. I see where this other older guy, allegedly artist too, comes from. My problem was the way he approached the artist painting. I am open to good criticism, especially from more experienced artists than me. I personally struggle with finding my own style. However that does not give any right for that outburst and destructive criticism, no matter how good or experienced he or she is.

  • @belindahall5220
    @belindahall5220 Před 2 lety

    Your painting is absolutely beautiful!! You definitely could be a writer, from hearing your thoughts. Thank you for sharing this, as I have struggled with this from well meaning friends and loved ones!! "Be true to yourself" is an old saying, but apparently still relevant;)

  • @howardthurman3617
    @howardthurman3617 Před 6 měsíci

    Im loving this channel.

  • @johnsmall4318
    @johnsmall4318 Před 2 lety

    Love this! (Do you really pour Gamvar on wet paint?)
    THANKS for a superb video
    JRS

  • @palwashafineart4839
    @palwashafineart4839 Před 2 lety

    Beautiful work!

  • @johnurquhart4614
    @johnurquhart4614 Před 2 lety +1

    "Would someone come up to a musician in the subway and ask the same thing?" It's an excellent question. In my experience, the answer is basically, yes they would. Perhaps not that exact scenario, but the expert-versus-dilettante dynamic is unhealthily present in the musical world, at least, in the so-called classical one, as is the intransigent disdain held by many who must believe that their preferences are the only valid ones. There are still plenty of dyed-in-the wool 'modernists' who scorn any composer who writes recognisable melody, or harmony and uses instruments in traditional ways (in other words, doesn't require the violinist to de-tune their strings and scratch on the other side of the bridge). When I saw the video you're talking about, I chuckled to myself because I thought, 'there you go, it's the same in the visual arts!' What's so ironic is that the people who now retain these attitudes, like the passing gent, are the older farts who have already lost the argument in the sense that art has moved on from 1960s modernism, and all they have to show for it is a bitterness that won't be assuaged. The younger generations are much more open.

  • @kevingregory-evans6285
    @kevingregory-evans6285 Před 2 lety +7

    I did an Art History course and heard a similar opinion: that art is worthless unless it is socially relevant in the present. I thought that a very blinkered view of art which would be no more than a burden for most artists.

    • @hgzmatt
      @hgzmatt Před 2 lety +2

      People forcing their ideas on others. I actually think that socially 'relevant' art can often turn out as pure propaganda. I want people to make up their own minds.
      And art can just be the fun of creating. And the admiration of natural beauty.

  • @tattoodave5969
    @tattoodave5969 Před 2 lety

    I draw and paint whatever I feel, and I couldn't particularly care what people think or like. I paint because it doesn't matter what's going on outside I'm in my own little world.

  • @poemgallery7280
    @poemgallery7280 Před 2 lety

    Your drawing is so amazing! 😍

  • @vacio360
    @vacio360 Před 2 lety

    You are an inspiration for me!

  • @angelawraybeam5691
    @angelawraybeam5691 Před 2 lety

    Loved your painting and your video, as always. You were spot on with your thoughts. It never ceases to amaze me how rude and thoughtless people can be, thinking they "know it all". 🙄☹️

  • @dawnemile4974
    @dawnemile4974 Před 2 lety

    Great comments. Cool result from painting.

  • @WoodieWebber
    @WoodieWebber Před 2 lety +1

    Wow! Top notch painting! Amazing video! Incredibly articulate and well thought out reaction! I'm honored that you would take the time to watch my video in it's entirety and share your thoughts. You have just gained an active subscriber and admirer. Keep up the good work and thanks for weighing in🙂

  • @lynnehall246
    @lynnehall246 Před 2 lety

    A beautiful painting 💖

  • @paularobinson6722
    @paularobinson6722 Před 2 lety

    At age 71 I'm learning to paint. I call myself an artist, not because my work is great, but because I love painting. I love the process, not necessarily the result. The only painting that matters to me is the one I'm currently working on. With enough time and practice I may satisfy someone else's idea of what a great painting should be, but that's not my goal. In the mean time I just love devoting my attention to a subject--it's a kind of visual meditation.

  • @magdastar2249
    @magdastar2249 Před 2 lety

    Thank you for talking about rudeness. I find that prevalent throughout our society and it is sad that people treat each other that way period. Thank you for sharing this video ❤.

  • @georgehoran8664
    @georgehoran8664 Před 2 lety

    Absolutely!

  • @jockospillink7318
    @jockospillink7318 Před 2 lety +1

    What’s weird is that he could be an old master and have all the secrets but he was having a bad day and came off as a curmudgeon. I would’ve asked the old man for his contact information so that I could get more life advice and coaching and perhaps painting lessons from him. They have to call people out on their BS.
    the ironic thing is that the old man could’ve actually known what he was talking about but just came off in a horrible way. He might’ve been on a walk, getting out of his own studio after a day of struggling painting. So many mixed messages.

  • @davidzaborowski8783
    @davidzaborowski8783 Před 2 lety

    Very well said

  • @drawingclasswithkalyan394

    Wonderful creation

  • @michaeljohnangel6359
    @michaeljohnangel6359 Před 2 lety

    Hi Ms Lang. That idiot who said your painting was not relevant, that it derived from the past, would have told Michelangelo that he should stop sculpting because his work belongs back with Hellenistic sculpture, from which it derives. We Realists-who are the new avant garde-must expect criticism from the 20th-century hang-overs who occupy the current Art Establishment (DON'T get me started on these biggots!!!).
    Your paintings are beautiful. Their colour, their paint quality and the way they evoke a dream of nature (Salvador Dalí wrote that a painting is a photograph of a dream) are things that make your work a work of art.
    (Part of my job at the Angel Academy of Art, Florence, is teaching students colour composition - it has a large amount in common with music theory: harmonies, counterpoint, arpeggios … - and I frequently pass your videos on to our students. Brava!!! I'm a fan.)
    Is that painting for sale, by the way?

  • @unknownname7731
    @unknownname7731 Před 2 lety

    Very nice!!!

  • @minavane5533
    @minavane5533 Před 2 lety

    I love the expression "shadow artist", makes more sense why people can be such huge critiques and this could also be applied in other areas as well not just art.

  • @tommartino8692
    @tommartino8692 Před 2 lety

    Well said, Chelsea!

  • @bgsimpsonart
    @bgsimpsonart Před 2 lety +1

    Thank you for advice on how to deal with those whom I call "paint inspectors ... oh, you missed a spot" critics.

  • @ShaimaAmiri
    @ShaimaAmiri Před 2 lety

    Hi. Thank you so much for all of your videos. I am trying to learn from this video. Is it possible to share the company name and paint colors used in this artwork? It would be great to learn how the colors are developed from certain paint colors.

  • @Msannamitta
    @Msannamitta Před 2 lety

    I saw that video and I'm like oh no, no, no. I know where this is going. Now if it was someone like John Singer Sargent then ok...rite. people i know around me for ex sample. Person 1 grew up in Europe and may have seen great works but doesn't understand the processes to that art and sounds just like the art critic in the video. Person 2 was born in France and saw the same art and always really enjoys talking about art, may have been trained but designed not to persue art talks about Mary Cassatt, Van Gogh, and others. Always a very pleasant person and has helped me to understand things I never even thought of...you know. So yah Im glad you brought up this topic because we run into this and I think sometimes we don't know what to say or why this happens. Or we get someone who want use to paint just like them or else we did everything wrong lol. what an art world right, lol.

  • @carlossalgado5205
    @carlossalgado5205 Před 2 lety

    Wonderful, thank you Chelsea. ¿ What is that product you apply after paint and how many time we should wait to do it?

  • @carinwiseman4309
    @carinwiseman4309 Před 2 lety

    The first thing that I would think if somebody came up to me with that sort of comment is that I would tell him...look, I'm working here. I didn't ask for your opinion. What makes you think you are entitled to foist your ideals and opinions on me? You are entitled to do what you like in your own paintings. Get out of my space!

  • @guzzopinc1646
    @guzzopinc1646 Před rokem

    good painting is like good cooking... it doesn't get old

  • @rajunarkar
    @rajunarkar Před rokem

    Excellent.

  • @angelablesi3569
    @angelablesi3569 Před rokem

    Exquiste🌸

  • @artbykcappadona5166
    @artbykcappadona5166 Před 2 lety

    Loved your painting, it was beautiful. I have to admit I saw that video you are referring to several days ago and it really disturbed me. So much so that I wrote a lengthy and probably boring response on his video site. There is a big difference between sitting there copying someone’s painting and being inspired by it. And I won’t repeat my whole response that I put on that site but of course we all paint with some impressionism. That’s the nature of trying to put a live 3 dimensional object on a 2 dimensional canvas. I was hurt for that artist. Having to stand there and defend his work like that. When you take the time to paint a scene using a technique that is your own but has been inspired by several if not hundreds of artists that came before you. You have gravitated toward that style because it best expresses you. No two artists paint exactly the same because they do not see the scene exactly the same. The colors are different they’re brushstrokes are different they have a different point of view which makes their painting unique and valuable.

  • @dianecourtney2724
    @dianecourtney2724 Před rokem

    So beautiful

  • @ryanoconnor7957
    @ryanoconnor7957 Před 2 lety

    Hey Chelsea I'm curious what you were thinking when you were painting the wall behind the flowers? You went over it many times and adjusted it and seemed to focus a lot on the angles of your brushstrokes. Thanks!

  • @ivanicoutinho5932
    @ivanicoutinho5932 Před 5 měsíci

    Técnica magnific! O que vc passa na tela no final? Obrigada!

  • @lisasternenkind6467
    @lisasternenkind6467 Před rokem

    I never went to art school, but I always worked in a creative field. I learn painting from online artists from all over the world doing classes or free videos and I do learn many different techniques from these artists. My problem still is, that I cannot come up with my own style. All my paintings always end up looking as if some other certain artist has painted it. This is a little frustraiting, yet I also believe, that so many styles have been tried out by somebody already and it gets harder all the time, to come up with an entirely new style.

  • @robmeyer7985
    @robmeyer7985 Před rokem

    Chelsea, Well stated. We all have a right to our opinions. But we must remember that until we're "in the arena" as you say, until our interests are truly at stake, it is the height of conceit to criticize. Unfortuately, the internet facilitates this phenom.

  • @RatusMax
    @RatusMax Před 2 lety

    I started digital painting about a year ago and I paint portraits mostly. I got pretty good pretty fast. I don't care about what some art scholar says. I enjoy looking at art, I enjoy making art. I enjoy getting better at art. I don't care if my own style created from learning isn't the cool thing in this current art era.
    When I first started watching YT vids on art a year ago, I looked at these great artists paint and see flaws in their paintings. I would call out all the problems I could see in the painting and how it could be fixed. Then it was time for me to do my first digital painting. I thought it was so great!!! I went to sleep and woke up the next day to look at it and it was SO BAD!!! It looked like a damn cartoon!
    I tried to fix it and it didn't make it any better. I sunk over 70 hours into it and it still looked bad. That was when I realized, it wasn't worth the time going back and trying to restructure the painting. Starting the painting again would be far faster and better to do than sinking more time into the current one.
    That's when I went back to that artist and apologized. Overall the painting was great, I assumed the artist was a master and could easily themselves go in there and fix it in seconds. However, that usually isn't the case. Changing a portion may force a change in more than just that small portion.
    I now I ask myself when I critique peoples painting, "What can I tell the artist to make them improve on where they are currently at?"

  • @beccagee5905
    @beccagee5905 Před 2 lety

    I love the painting! I totally agree with everything you said. I saw the video about a month ago. It actually made me angry, as I continually see the push by intellectuals the idea that "we've already seen it done like that before." Does the masses not have the right to art, or is it only for the few?

  • @m.e.3614
    @m.e.3614 Před 2 lety +1

    This was a really good video, with some great advice. Thank you! And while I agree that it was incredibly rude and even ridiculous of that man to say someone else's work is "irrelevant," there is also some contradiction in the video.
    Chelsea makes a great point that we can enjoy/not enjoy music, movies, etc., and feel free to express our opinions even though we might not have a music, film, etc. background, but that only when it comes to art are we expected to "have a background" for our opinions to matter. But then she says that if someone criticizes an artist, the artist should ask them self if that person is "in the arena" of the art world too, and think if they have had to struggle as an artist. But this contradicts the first statement; that people should feel free to say what they think regardless of if they have a background in music, movies, etc. (In other words, regardless of if they have spent time "in the arena" of those fields.)
    So I think there is some contradiction here that still seems to suggest that someone's opinion of art only really matters if they have a background in it, which is contrary to the original statement that a background is irrelevant.
    I think all that we can really do is follow what we are reasonably drawn to, and realize - like Chelsea said - that there are other people out there who will like the same thing. There are also people who will dislike it and feel it is a waste of time. It is just apart of being a creative person. Sure, it is not fun to hear, but if we say that someone's opinion only matters if they have "been in the arena too," isn't that perpetuating the same artistic elitism that Chelsea initially was against? Why not just consider what everyone has to say, and then make up our own mind?
    If we welcome those who love our work even though they have never "been in the arena," why not also welcome those who dislike it to dislike it as they choose? If we stick with what matters to us long enough, maybe one day even they will change their mind. And if not, isn't that just apart of life? (Still think that guy was totally rude, but just pointing out that people are free to have opinions with everything else without having "been in the arena," so why not in art too?)
    Still a great video though, thank you for posting it! Just some thoughts to think about.

    • @ChelseaLang
      @ChelseaLang  Před 2 lety +1

      That's a really good point, and definitely something worth speaking to. The difference is liking something versus critiquing it, and who that critique is directed at, and whether, as artists, we are meant to internalize that feedback.
      As artists we need to have boundaries around critique and take into consideration who we allow to influence us as creators.
      As consumers, we should feel permission to be in touch with what we like and don't like, without that speaking to the value of the work in question. So just because we don't like Mozart, we don't deem a busker in the subway as 'irrelevant.' And we shouldn't need to take a music appreciation class to realize what we like and don't like.
      The problem arises, I would argue, when the consumer of art wants to project their opinion of the work onto what the artist 'should' or 'shouldn't' do. Particularly when they use academia as a way to justify their involvement, or as a way to defend their subject like or dislike of a work as somehow being objective feedback.

    • @m.e.3614
      @m.e.3614 Před 2 lety

      @@ChelseaLang Thank you for the reply Chelsea. I agree with what you are saying. Critiques can be where things can get really ugly, especially if someone uses their academic background to justify their opinion. Some people just are horribly rude about their opinions. That is where artists need good barriers, like you said, because despite how rude and wrong some critiques can be, they will happen.
      That is why I was hesitant about questioning if the person critiquing has been in the arena themselves, because sometimes they have been, and that can really hurt someone even more when another artist slams your work and then waves the "I am an artist too and I have been there too and I know!" flag in your face. Then one might ask, "well, have they been in the arena? Actually, they have, so...." and then feel bad. Which is why I tend to lean towards the "everyone has an opinion so let them and just filter out what you need to" attitude.
      But your point is a good one, and if it helps anyone to develop healthy barriers towards rude, innaproriate critiques further, I am all for it. Anyways, thanks for the reply and keep up the great work! I really enjoy your channel and find you to be an inspiration.

  • @brandonschaffer7360
    @brandonschaffer7360 Před 2 lety

    How I ran across this in itself an example of how life only teaches those how search. Im.not an artist. Never set out to be due to the fact I know I'm not great. But if I had your advise years ago. I might be better....loved to video

  • @callmedeno
    @callmedeno Před 2 lety

    Finding what you like is a feedback loop between you, a loaded brush and a canvas. imo this is where the magic of oils lie. If you are struggling to find the right things paint or to find your style that is a clear indicator you need to stop thinking and just paint things and think of each one as a disposable 'see what will happen'. Your brain will naturally over time begin to bend everything (even brushstrokes and the planes of reality) towards your ideal, your personality and your vision.

  • @DCweldingAndArt
    @DCweldingAndArt Před 2 lety

    Saw Woodies video when he uploaded. This is such a good topic. A man who was "the director of Angel Academy in Florence" thought my methods(lead primed linen and colors like vermillion, naples yellow, etc...)were "outdated rubbish and unnecessary in the artists studio today". And that they use modern, better materials there. The fact he had to pull rank AND call my favorite materials "rubbish"...like, ughh. Wth man. I was so respectful to him, I dont get it. Isn't art a subjective, personal journey? Same deal with Woodie...just because it's old, doesn't make it irrelevant. Anyway, thankyou Chelsea. Another reason why your on my top list, and that guy...is NOT.

  • @renoir1976
    @renoir1976 Před 2 lety

    Bellissimo!

  • @59jaguar
    @59jaguar Před 2 lety

    Chelsea how does one find a painting workshop vacation class ?

  • @patrickcharles7190
    @patrickcharles7190 Před 2 lety +1

    I saw that video before and the old guy came off as a condescending jerk. Maybe he was trying to be helpful in saying that Woodie doing all the technical things to render a likeness is just an exercise. Some people believe that art is about style....mostly style and Woodie's art looks like everybody elses. "Once a person depends on art to make money, it stops being art", is what I was told by an artist, selling art, outside of the Met. Okay? But all the great great artists are recognized for their style...not technique ability or knowledge of the rules that make a great piece. Hopper, Van Gogh, Dali, Picasso, Barnes, a small example, are recognized for style. He probably should have said, "Develop your style." Maybe

  • @Angels-3xist
    @Angels-3xist Před 2 lety

    Our work and our expressions are always relevant to the right people. Even if that’s just ourselves. I don’t believe it’s possible to be irrelevant. If it exists, it’s relevant because it exists. Even calling something irrelevant can make it more relevant. I don’t get people who talk that way. No one is defined by the negativity of another. The idea of being irrelevant is irrelevant.

  • @harrymonk6
    @harrymonk6 Před rokem

    Its like busking with a guitar and someone walking up an sayin the beatles did it

  • @chica2000ok
    @chica2000ok Před rokem

    Well said Chelsea! For sure this helps against the army off "know it all" people 🙄

  • @Mattl0657
    @Mattl0657 Před 2 lety

    If you feel overwhelmed by something you've never done before. Just remember, how can you possibly do it, if it's been done 100 times before
    Just remember, it hasn't been done by me. Yes me,,I bring something unique to the painting. Every person approaches the same thing differently, that's why Art, can never be exhausted!!

  • @DetraDearmas
    @DetraDearmas Před 2 lety

    I had a well known critic and gallery owner tell me that it took years of study in art school and years of struggling with painting to create a gallery worthy work. In other words at my age i shouldnt try. I believe she's mistaken when I look at the well known women's collections in museums. I've seen people go from nothing to winning major art contest in just a few years. Yes it took alot of work but it can happen. Never should a critic discourage someone from trying.

  • @ronaldolamont
    @ronaldolamont Před 2 lety

    I caught a small part of that video, it was surprising that a stranger would come up to an artist and just blindly comment on the artists work, especially since he doesn't know the artist on a personal level, and I think that needs to be more emphasized! I say a personal level because who's to say that the artist is or isn't trying to create a new style or reinvent painting per se, not all artists care about that stuff, and to assume that they do or that they even should, is just silly! I am not a plein air painter, but I am a contemporary artist/painter in the sense that I do believe that artists should strive to do and try different things with paint, that's a personal opinion on how I look at painting, I need to try different things or else I'll get bored and feel stagnant, I need to feel like I'm evolving as a painter and an artist, or else what's the point! But that doesn't mean that I think all artists should think that way, nor do I look down on the artists who don't think that way, to each his or her own! But no matter who or what the artists is, we all have one common thing in mind, to make art because we love it, and that's the way it's supposed to be no matter what!

  • @user-gc2bv4fn7s
    @user-gc2bv4fn7s Před 2 lety

    Гениально!!!😘❤

  • @andreapennestri1828
    @andreapennestri1828 Před 2 lety +1

    No one has the right to judge an Artists work...You decide that you personally like it or not? who the hell is anyone to Judge, especially Art work.

  • @errolstanding8483
    @errolstanding8483 Před rokem

    In short: Ef the critics and know it all collectors, most-if not all-are failed artists.

  • @edbianchi8839
    @edbianchi8839 Před 2 lety

    Aaaaaaaamen, so well analyzed and said, if I ever get the courage I will say: “frankly my dear I don’t give a dam about your opinion “
    Thank you

  • @nakedanunnaki4432
    @nakedanunnaki4432 Před 2 lety

    Great perspective. If u don't show the world your creativity and hide, you're basically a coward.
    Takes balls to suck up idiots wisdom and go on showing the world your love and passion
    ❤️❤️

  • @j.eliotmason18
    @j.eliotmason18 Před 2 lety

    I have to say, I found that video to be shockingly offensive. What a jerk. Dude had a thick accent so I'm hoping the comment wasn't as shocking in his native language and it just didn't translate properly. But then again, I'm probably giving him too much credit. Love your rose painting! It has so much life and motion. I wish I could do that.

  • @cynthiamarston2208
    @cynthiamarston2208 Před 2 lety

    Its pretty much all you have. I do get uncommonly jealous and sickened by hyper realism. I mean come ON! Or the miniscule carvings on pencil lead. Or inside a a little bottle. Most styles are enjoyable. I do feel like saying something when every darn thing an artist does is the exact same style. I mean i would be glad to have one project come out so good as their stuff but it calls to me to hopefully keep changing? Dunno…yet. I wouldnt know what its like to get positive affirmation in the form of winner of contest or selling something. I suppose that encourages a style to remain the same…..Makes me think art is a dead end kind of. That a talented group of people could copy a bunch of work and sell it in mass…..like people in Russia or China who need a job type of thing. Is then no longer worthwhile? I ask myself this worthwhile question a lot because as a diy student watching youtube im in the middle of what i deem as work! I make myself. It doesnt call to me to go do it. Since nothing does i figure thats my own fault in personality or a low grade depression. Doing it though is therapy and that is kind of worth it….to a point….until you need a group of expensive somethings to continue on. Writers just need paper. I have more fun shopping for supplies if i have money that minth than i do doing the project!