Believe I have a leak in the valve that wasn't taken out in 1 of my 5 mags so may be something common, fingers crossed a relube once my valve keys arrive will get it all sorted! Thanks again for these videos!
Nice video man. I just had to gasket goo one of my second hand tm glock 50 round mags, it was a hole thing. with an over size oring and standard pins all bent to fit the oversize ring. Tm have the same full tube as there mws mags in the G 50 round. So cut that b***h down. redrilled over size holes and fit bigger pins. New oring did not seal so out with the goo. Been a week or 2 so far and no leaks as of yet with permertex ultra blue (for gas mags as it’s there low temp stuff), I recommend that stuff. I was a mechanic for 8 years, the permeated sh*t seams like really good sealant and I’ve use a few.
Just bought it, James .... my first GBB. Last one at Bespoke too....My god, I feel like a newbie all over again, hahaha ill be paying closer attention to your channel for guidance lol
I’ve just picked up a DE, now the mag in my opinion, that came with mine, isn’t very good…. Would you suggest maybe replacing the gas router as it doesn’t cycle particularly well… I popped in an MWS mag and the gun is solid!
Regarding the wiggle issue (which has been an issue with both DE's I've seen. both from Taiwangun). Try with a stock TM mag or a G&P 46 round mag. Lock the bolt back and check the wiggle. Blast some full auto and say goodbye to your nozzle :) Also try putting the DE mag in a marui MWS. Does not fit without extreme force. The DE mag from TWG does however look different (and uglier).
Yes mate. It's Double Eagles. Both from TWG (dont think the cyma is released there yet). The only thing different in the externals is the stock. on the picture its a A2 grip but it actually ships with the k2 clone style grip. The mag has a different look. No idea why. It would be interesting to hear your take on this issue with the loose magwell if you're willing to take a 2nd look at it. I didn't realise until it was too late. It's not a problem with the DE mag. But I've had a nozzle crap out when I used a g&p mag. I then spent some time investigating what went wrong and concluded it's the mag tilting so that the feedlip drops and the nozzle loading arm rides over the bb. Pushing the BB to underneath the hop house and causing the nozzle to slam into the hop house. Fixed it with a velcro epoxy shim in the rear bottom of the magwell so that Marui mags sits as tight as they do in a Marui MWS. It's an annoying gotcha and I wish Double Eagle fixed the size of the magwell instead of a thicker mag case mould, as seems to be the case. @@Jaeger-Precision
I had my DE nozzle break on the top. Weirdest round hole I've ever seen. I don't think it's the TM mags tho, I think the nozzles are just bad. I changed it to a Guns Modified reinforced one and it seems to not break for now even with Marui mags.
If anyone needs any more proof that dry firing is ok, TM ship some pieces with the MP7 to put in your mags so you can dry fire without holding the bolt catch
So! James, can you eventually confirm to us, that this DE Noveske is a direct-copy of TM? We have seen alot of testing so far, which looks perfect and everything fits. Can you put a Marui and the DE next to eachother for a direct compare? With that specific info, I am gonna decide if I will get a N4 next to my TM CQBR.
I will do my best but without cross referencing every part can never be 100%. It would be a vastly time consuming task to check every single part. At the moment my spare time is limited.
@@Jaeger-Precision Very true mate! Still, seeing all youur footage, I am more n more certain parts are interchangeable. Boltsetup is, as you have allready shown. And seeing the video, I am rather sure thew triggerbox is too. Next to those parts, there aint alot left really :)
My understanding is you can spray a small amount of silicone oil into the the nozzle of many propane fill adapters to serve a similar purpose. I may be mistaken however.
Putting oil into your gas or mags is a horrible idea if you want any kind of accuracy or range in a modern gas gun A coating of grease on mag seals is all that is needed
I covered the magazine tube testing in my CZcams short series where i actually cut the tube and remove it , and experience fps jump from 1.3 to 1.5 joules. It seems to consume volume to limit gas output by limiting total volume of gas stored Remove it and increase volume of gas stored
in the TM mags its to prevent you from putting more gas in and increasing your velocity over the japanese 1 joule law. My best guess for these de mags is to do the same to a lesser extent. I'll be cutting the tube down about an inch on one of my de mags to test the theory.
Whenever I hear that the replica is loose in the receiver, or in the magazine well, or even better, in the stock, I want to laugh, because news flash: the same thing happens in real guns.
Believe I have a leak in the valve that wasn't taken out in 1 of my 5 mags so may be something common, fingers crossed a relube once my valve keys arrive will get it all sorted!
Thanks again for these videos!
Nice video man.
I just had to gasket goo one of my second hand tm glock 50 round mags, it was a hole thing. with an over size oring and standard pins all bent to fit the oversize ring. Tm have the same full tube as there mws mags in the G 50 round. So cut that b***h down. redrilled over size holes and fit bigger pins. New oring did not seal so out with the goo. Been a week or 2 so far and no leaks as of yet with permertex ultra blue (for gas mags as it’s there low temp stuff), I recommend that stuff. I was a mechanic for 8 years, the permeated sh*t seams like really good sealant and I’ve use a few.
Just bought it, James .... my first GBB. Last one at Bespoke too....My god, I feel like a newbie all over again, hahaha ill be paying closer attention to your channel for guidance lol
What tools were you using they look really cool! also great vid
Yo Jaeger if you can make a video sometime on how to fix leaky mags that will be great! :D
Edit: oh never mind lol
Hi, are the feed lips the same size as the tokyo marui feed lips, or any aftermarket TM ones?
I’ve just picked up a DE, now the mag in my opinion, that came with mine, isn’t very good….
Would you suggest maybe replacing the gas router as it doesn’t cycle particularly well…
I popped in an MWS mag and the gun is solid!
Silly question will these fit in a normal mws cheers
Regarding the wiggle issue (which has been an issue with both DE's I've seen. both from Taiwangun). Try with a stock TM mag or a G&P 46 round mag. Lock the bolt back and check the wiggle.
Blast some full auto and say goodbye to your nozzle :)
Also try putting the DE mag in a marui MWS. Does not fit without extreme force. The DE mag from TWG does however look different (and uglier).
Definitely the DE and not the CYMA? The rifles on Taiwangun do look different
Yes mate. It's Double Eagles. Both from TWG (dont think the cyma is released there yet). The only thing different in the externals is the stock. on the picture its a A2 grip but it actually ships with the k2 clone style grip. The mag has a different look. No idea why. It would be interesting to hear your take on this issue with the loose magwell if you're willing to take a 2nd look at it. I didn't realise until it was too late. It's not a problem with the DE mag. But I've had a nozzle crap out when I used a g&p mag.
I then spent some time investigating what went wrong and concluded it's the mag tilting so that the feedlip drops and the nozzle loading arm rides over the bb. Pushing the BB to underneath the hop house and causing the nozzle to slam into the hop house. Fixed it with a velcro epoxy shim in the rear bottom of the magwell so that Marui mags sits as tight as they do in a Marui MWS. It's an annoying gotcha and I wish Double Eagle fixed the size of the magwell instead of a thicker mag case mould, as seems to be the case.
@@Jaeger-Precision
@Basterds_Airsoft i may just be lucky with mine being better than others. Ill do some more testing
I had my DE nozzle break on the top. Weirdest round hole I've ever seen. I don't think it's the TM mags tho, I think the nozzles are just bad. I changed it to a Guns Modified reinforced one and it seems to not break for now even with Marui mags.
If anyone needs any more proof that dry firing is ok, TM ship some pieces with the MP7 to put in your mags so you can dry fire without holding the bolt catch
My mag held gas at first. And I ran maybie 50rnds through it. Now the mag won't hold gas at all.
So! James, can you eventually confirm to us, that this DE Noveske is a direct-copy of TM?
We have seen alot of testing so far, which looks perfect and everything fits. Can you put a Marui and the DE next to eachother for a direct compare?
With that specific info, I am gonna decide if I will get a N4 next to my TM CQBR.
I will do my best but without cross referencing every part can never be 100%. It would be a vastly time consuming task to check every single part. At the moment my spare time is limited.
@@Jaeger-Precision Very true mate! Still, seeing all youur footage, I am more n more certain parts are interchangeable. Boltsetup is, as you have allready shown. And seeing the video, I am rather sure thew triggerbox is too. Next to those parts, there aint alot left really :)
There seems to be a performance difference between the DE mags and genuine Marui mags, about .07 of a joule, any idea what the difference could be??
it could be many things. They are made by two different companies so all of the parts are different
You recommend propane , would you suggest maintenance gas after games to help protect seals?
My understanding is you can spray a small amount of silicone oil into the the nozzle of many propane fill adapters to serve a similar purpose. I may be mistaken however.
Putting oil into your gas or mags is a horrible idea if you want any kind of accuracy or range in a modern gas gun
A coating of grease on mag seals is all that is needed
I never do. Just keep them topped up and lubricate the guns when necessary
So did we figure out what that tube is for yet. I'm still baffled by it.
I covered the magazine tube testing in my CZcams short series where i actually cut the tube and remove it , and experience fps jump from 1.3 to 1.5 joules. It seems to consume volume to limit gas output by limiting total volume of gas stored
Remove it and increase volume of gas stored
Very interesting! Once I've fitted NPAS I'll do that. I always felt like the mags would benefit from holding a little more gas. @@TheRealDealAirsoft
Do they fit in my tokyo marui mk18 mws ?
Yes but only after you sand them down. Mine was a very tight fit and I had to dremel some plastic off.
You still prefer GM Mags?
Compared to standard magazines? not sure. Just different. They are by far the best MWS pmag available
Anychance you can sell one of DE mws clone?
Plenty available on sites
Hello, when TM saiga-12k?
Honestly I am not sure I will buy one. It seems more and more like a gimmick and no advantage over the AKM
Installing the AirTac adapter, i have to drop the upper forwards to allow it to fit.
Lips are not compatible
If anyone knows what the tubes for please say 🤣
in the TM mags its to prevent you from putting more gas in and increasing your velocity over the japanese 1 joule law.
My best guess for these de mags is to do the same to a lesser extent. I'll be cutting the tube down about an inch on one of my de mags to test the theory.
Whenever I hear that the replica is loose in the receiver, or in the magazine well, or even better, in the stock, I want to laugh, because news flash: the same thing happens in real guns.
I throw it away