The body positivity movement has an ableism problem... | Fat acceptance TikTok cringe
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I mean, isn't hair dye, piercings, glasses, wisdom teeth removal all also changing your body in unnatural ways?
Yes!
Yeah but their logic says people w the things you listed they need those, to them fat people don’t need to lose weight
Yeah but this kind of surgery is more risky tbh. Losing weight naturally is better imo even tho it takes more time
Don't forget tattoos
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As a queer disabled person, the fat-acceptance community needs to stop using us as their number one example of why they're 'opressed'. It's getting annoying by now
Yeah as someone who’s on the autism spectrum, these people have no idea what we go through on a daily basis. Depression, mental issues, sensory processing issues, epilepsy and so on. The worst problem that these people have is that they can’t eat five cheese burgers and their knees hurt a little.
Yes I’m physically disabled and I don’t subscribe to able bodied notions of health, but they seriously need to leave the disabled community out of their bullshit.
@@Marth592 no fr, like I can't really stand for longer than 20 min so I need to sit down sometimes. But you don't see me scream opression when there's no place to sit? Yeah it sucks, but the other peoppe in that place have as much right to sit there as I do, that's just life 🤷♀️
@@brokenquill9277 mhm exactly
@@karavandebeek Yeah I agree. It’s the same with amusement park rides and stuff. I don’t act like I’m oppressed when crowds of people are too loud. It does suck to be in those situations, but at the same time if someone has a disability like mine, you have to come prepared with things like noise canceling headphones. If you’re fat and want to get on a ride, get prepared and lose weight.
You know what leaves me speechless? Its that they're not trolling, they legitimately believe what they're saying. They legitimately believe that being 500lbs is how the body is supposed to be. Wow. Blows my mind everytime. Also, what the hell is "unintentional weight-loss"? The only time I've seen anyone lose weight unintentionally is when they are sick.
Some medications can cause you to unintentionally lose weight. And they were probably referencing unintentional weightloss from sickness
I've done it. I kind of forget to eat. Or I get busy and kind of...don't eat for a couple, three days. I drop three, four pounds. Or I get into a rut and eat the same thing for a week because that's in the fridge, and if that happens to be lettuce-based, the weight drops even though I'm eating normal amounts.
Or May to October, I'm incredibly busy in the gardens. I torch off 1,500 calories a week that way without replacing much of it. Down goes the weight, up goes the muscle, which turns up the metabolism even more...
I didn''t mean to, it just happens.
I remember in summer when I was younger I used to walk home from school and go outside more because it was nicer so I lost weight from that. Plus sometimes you just feel like/your environment requires eating less or moving around more and it just kind of falls off.
At one point I was 350 pounds and I know I started my weight loss journey at 320 pounds so somehow I unintentionally lost about 30 pounds. I'm not sure how it happened. I'm now at 220 so I like to say I'm also a fat liberationist because so far I've liberated 130 pounds of it.
@@BronzeDragon133 luckyyyyyy I have to work so hard to lose weight
It's ableist for a person who is perfectly fine to claim they are on the same level as disabled people simply because they are too lazy to lose weight.
thank you. i'm a thin woman with MS and sometimes the left side of my body gets so weak that I struggle to move it from nerve damage. It's so irritating that they complain about mobility issues when they can literally do something about it. I try to workout every day to get as strong as possible but there's only so much that that can do.
@@cherry2619 hey sending you lots of love ❤️ it is incredibly frustrating. I get the impression they think they are more "oppressed" than thin people with actual disabilities just on the basis of their being fat. It's wild to see the hoops they'll jump through to not take personal responsibility. MS isn't something you can change. They can change their weight.
Exactly. I cannot stand these people comparing themselves to disabled people as a disabled person. Your lifestyle choice is voluntary- me being autistic/having fibromyalgia is not.
@@SoniTails I have autism too. I started to go to college and I’m having a really hard time making relationships. The first 3 weeks were hell too since I live in a dorm now. Also today in the cafeteria they removed the tables that I used to sit at by myself. Now I had to sit at a table with people. It’s not necessarily that I want to be alone at lunch, it’s just that I don’t understand how to talk to people so I just watch stuff on my iPad when I eat. I do enjoy my alone time though. It just sucks that I have to feel so weird.
Imagine saying that you’re oppressed or socially ostracized because you can’t find cute clothes that fit your ginormous body that you can fix and claim that it’s on the same level as someone like me who has such extreme sensory issues that things buying clothes is drag because your body can’t tolerate how 90% the clothes you wear feels. I’m a girl and I can’t even wear a bra because of my sensory issues.
Fat people will never face oppression that actual disabled people faced in the past and continue to face now. People with physical disabilities or mental disabilities like myself have to deal with this our whole lives, fat people can lose weight. We don’t get a choice.
Being fat is not a disability. Fat people can lose weight. My buddy that lost his leg to an IED in Iraq can’t grow his leg back. That’s a key distinction.
BTW, my buddy got a prosthetic leg and is now a trail runner and skydiver. Self pity does not exist in him, unlike fat activists whose entire lives are one big pity party.
The longer a person is fat, the harder it is to lose weight. Some of of these people have probably tried losing weight but failed at it. That does not mean it’s impossible but the key to losing weight or maintaining weight is understanding how insulin works.
first off you're friend sounds dope. Like trail running and skydiving sounds so cool. but also I agree. You really can loose weight especially at the size most of them are. Like if you're 300 lbs you can loose weight more easily because your body really isn't ment to be that size
I don’t mean to take away from this comment in any way, but I just skimmed it quickly and my brain registered it as “Fat people can lose weight. My buddy lost his leg. Self pity is not a disability. [implying that was how he lost weight & further implying losing a leg is a viable option for everyone to lose weight]”
No idea how it got so jumbled but like. For a cool minute I was like “yah for sure, losing a disability and stuff..”
A disability is something that makes one have a hard time or prevents them from living normal lives. And being fat doesn't do any of that smh.
Yeah see as someone who has three genetic eye conditions and is losing my eyesight, I find this shit so offensive. So what? So because I’m also skinny, I don’t deserve to feel body positive and connect to others who feel this way? Because people who have the FUCKING CHOICE to better their physical health take precedence?
I rarely get victimy about this. Because my life is ok. But for fucks sake…
As a transmasc that’s on testosterone myself I find it weird that fatsapphicbro’s opinion is that you shouldn’t alter your body in ways your body wasn’t naturally meant to be? Like that’s literally what transition is
I was looking for this comment. Thank you.
thought the exact same thing but i didn't want to say it lmao💀
Exactly, as an older translady, their bullshit just sounds like every TERF biological essentialist.
They’d probably freak out and be like “noooooooo I’m not a transphobe pls no no pls no” but anyways congrats on ur transition man :D
shoutout to the people who call life saving surgery "self mutilation" - like no babe im paying 5000 dollars to be a part of the itty bitty no titty committee please stop
but yeah people change their bodies all the time- you aren't born at a certain weight- he might as well claim that you can't go out in the sun because tanning is "altering your body from its original color" like ??????
The reality is that accessible toilets were made for truly handicap people, not for people who are physically so big that they don’t fit into a regular sized stall.
I had to use the accessible stall when I had a fractured pelvis and I needed to get in there with my walker. I can’t imagine someone’s body being too big for one of those stalls!
The whole 'ex fats are the most fatphobic' thing is a good point. I quit alcohol 2yrs ago and quit smoking 20yrs ago & damn straight I despise both cigarettes & alcohol with a fiery passion. But not smokers & drinkers.
Just like my ex-heroin addicted friend despises even weed, but doesn't despise drug addicts. People who've kicked a destructive habit tend to hate the thing/behaviour that once had such an all consuming hold over them. Also, seeing how mentally & physically better off they feel gives a borderline fear of ever going back. Of course ex-fats are 'fatphobic', but not in the sense that this person thinks.
Keep it going! That’s amazing
Wow that is a really good analogy. I am one year sober and that is exactly how I feel about drugs/ alcohol vs addicts and alcoholics. Thanks for sharing!
No one’s harder on a junkie than an ex junkie it’s the same for any addiction you don’t hate the addict but you see through their bs
*trigger warning I’m talking about my experience when I was a homeless addict lots of drug talk* but yes!! You hit the nail on the head. I’m a recovering meth, opiate, and benzo addict. I was homeless for half a year at 18 on the streets of Toronto. As a young woman I’m sure you can understand how terrifying that is. Then add HEAVY psychosis on top of that. Or the time I wasn’t on the streets I was living with my fentanyl addicted ex who was abusive. He introduced me to needles and my life went downhill from there. People would try to break in 3 times a week because he was a huge dealer with pounds of shit laying around. And my psychosis on top of that, I would hear and see shit and I didn’t know if people were really breaking in or if I was hallucinating. I thought people could hear my thoughts and I thought the police were always a outside or listening through the walls and I was peeking out the window every 10 seconds. It got so bad I would just be shaking and stiff and my bf would ask what was wrong and I wouldn’t even talk and tell him because I thought people were listening through the walls. So, yeah. I can confidently say I HATE drugs. I hate them with a burning passion. Then ruined me. I overdosed and stopped breathing and we had narcan always in the house so he narcaned me. I almost died. So yea, ofc ex fat people hate being fat. They know how awful it is to be obese. Once you break your addiction, you are going to hate whatever your “drug” was with a passion.
I quit smoking, but don't harass current smokers. Not my bag, man. I don't drink, and ditto (unless you're driving, in which case this means war).
I've lost fifty pounds, but don't harass fat people. These folks are not fat people, they're fat people who have chosen to declare war on science and medicine. That's a no-no.
The guy complaining about "purposefully altering your body" is wearing glasses. Glasses improve your eyesight, therefore improving his body. He must be blindphobic.
Lol exactly
He has also appeared to have had a haircut and (thank god) is wearing clothes. Those are altering the natural state of his body. 🤢🤢🤢🤢
I don't know if I have to break it to u, but the guy is also on hormones to be a guy🤙💅
I kinda agree with what he is saying. Having surgeries isn't preferable. One can lose weight without doing any surgery. All that is needed is a good diet plan, self-control, and a strong well. But again, no one will do that without accepting the fact that they are fat, unhealthy, and need to change it.
@@user-dz1jc6fy6h Yeah, but you can't transition without taking hormones and doing the surgeries, but you can lose weight without having any surgery. Most people lose weight without surgeries, just following a food healthy diet.
"it's fatphobic to assume the reason you can't walk is your weight" ok so are we ignoring gravity? the laws of physics? that's neat.
@@abdellahsbaa3751 Gravity itself is very fatphobic if you think about it. We should cancel it immediately.
Just like flat earthers
@@piawester9245 :O could there be a community called "Fat Earthers"? A goldmine of cringe to be delved into.
Gravity is fatphobic, obviously
Trolling or not, the bearded person with the glasses is absolutely radiating insecurity and denial. I hope they realize one day that they're spewing harmful garbage, and that they develop a healthier attitude, for themselves and for the sake of others. What an exhausting person to listen to.
They all radiate insecurity and denial. And a huge amount of entitlement and hostility.
If you look into their future, there are really only a few resultant paths. Most of them are deeply unpleasant (for them). A few end more nicely. None involve me being friends with them without a huge amount of change because homey don't hang with haters.
"If you're a former fat person we don't want you here." Okay then.
@@aren7138 Also "I don't care, and I'm going to go on and on and on about how I don't care."
The bearded person rubs me the wrong way the most out of all of the fatlogicians I've come across, and that's really saying something. "Stop oppressing us by buying clothes and taking chairs meant for people like ME before I even get there! That stuff is meant for FAT PEOPLE and they get first and only dibs even if there's no one else around. And if you used to be a fat person and now you're not you can't have them any more and it's only because you starved your body because you hate yourself." Dude, fuck off.
@@pizzarat3275 this is spot on
"calling someone insane is ableist" encouraging impressionable children to destroy themselves with food on a dancing app is pretty insane soo,,,
HAHAHA DANCING APP! IM GONNA START SAYING THAT NOW
They need any chance to make some shitty rebuttal. They weren't being called insane because they're mentally ill, but in the colloquial sense of "you're being unreasonable". And of course they're going for that without addressing any real arguments.
Speaking of, I genuinely don't get that person's need to constantly overshare all of their diagnoses. Maybe they should keep that for their GP and therapist (although they act like neither are on speaking terms lmao).
@@Micho55 I've noticed people overshare things like that when they want to throw it in somebody's face and claim some kind of "ableism" when they're criticized for their rude behavior or spreading misinformation
"Our movement is for everyone!"
"If you had weight loss surgery you are not welcome here!"
lol the amount of hypocrisy in this 'movement' is hysterical
Them:
"Nobody cares about the experience of fat people! Listen to my experience with the weight loss surgery I didn't have!"
Also them:
"I don't care about fat people who've had a good experience with the surgery I'm bashing."
LITERALLY
And if you’re not morbidly obese, you can’t be part of the body positivity movement!! If you’re thin, positivity isn’t for you! Ffs!!
Did not know the word EVERYONE could be exclusive .
@@rogersepeda4378 I see you in every comment section on videos about fat people lol
Does anyone else feel like fat acceptance holding up fat black women as the starters of the movement is actually kinda racist? Or is it just me?
It always just seems like virtue signaling to me, and that doesn't sit right.
It's not just you.
They do it because they are most affected by the only real form of “fat phobia” which is where medical professionals will often just tell fat people to lose weight to fix all their problems and it leads to many undiagnosed health issues that lead to higher death and injury rate among fat black women. It’s all their movement has which is why they use it as an example. I would be on their side if they stopped calling themselves disabled, stopped refusing to lose weight etc because this is a huge issue.
It's also not even true
As a black woman, I say yes! Why make us the poster child for fat people? I live in the Midwest and there are fat women of every race, color, and ethnicity!
They truly cannot stop saying "marginalized".
This idea that you have to “hate” yourself to want to lose weight and be healthier is absolutely absurd. I would argue that loving yourself enough to want to be healthy is how a lot of people on weight loss journeys actually feel about themselves. That’s how I feel at least, and I resent the idea that I’m a “bad person” for wanting to finally be healthy!
i've said this b4 on another video! it absolutely is the case. it took so much love for myself to break my binge cycles (to address my PCOS) and focus on self care which, actually not on purpose, resulted in weight loss for me. it's very frustrating to have all this weird self hatred stuff projected onto us.
@@cptjo I also have PCOS, proud of you for doing what’s best for you!!
Preach! I completely agree with you. I don’t hate myself for wanting to be healthy, I want to take care of my body and mental health. If eating healthy and exercising makes me feel better mentally and physically, how can that be me hating myself? No one is a bad person for trying to live a healthier lifestyle.
@@cptjo same ... I was already experiencing PCOS-like symptoms, having trouble breathing, snoring super loud, achy knees, etc. when I decided to start losing weight.
@@perryrhinitis for me it was the sleep apnea beginning as well! definitely not fun to deal with !
“Hating yourself into health”… wow 🤣
How dare you get healthier! 🤣
This person is so bitter. It’s disgusting. I’m fat, I want to lose weight because I like how it looks and I want to be able to buy cute clothes that aren’t expensive as hell. Cry about it, I guess.
Mood. Love this as a reason tbh. Like I have cute jeans I fit in at 130 lbs which is why I’m trying to lose weight tbh. Clothes are expensive and I don’t wanna buy a bunch of new jeans. 😂😂
I am a personal trainer- what can I do to help you achieve your fitness goals? And everyone has different goals...
Facts don't care about your opinion. This person is helping fat people & people in general more than you. It brings awareness to delusional individuals & lies they tell themselves.
😢 You're obviously Oppressed© and just don't know any better!!! (Sarcasm)
My brother is morbidly obese (extremely fat, not just normally obese) and wants to lose weight because it is starting to affect his health even though he is only 17.
Yes, I am against bullying fat people but nah folks, one can't be morbidly obese and healthy.
i love when they bring up the "diet industry" yet want to ignore the existence of the fast food industry (which, im guessing here, makes more money than the diet industry), high fructose corn syrup, etc. like right... okay....
They always scream about the patriarchy that we all dum-dums support by not being morbidly obese but somehow being tricked by capitalism and marketing into thinking 5000 kcal of processed food is good for the body is absolutely fine.
@@CocoLicious 😂😂😂 exactly
And they get all kind of subsidies. That's why they are so cheap.
Corporations are evil, except the ones that feed me cheap food!
And the food industry is super fucking evil! Like nestle and their baby formula.
As a former fat person. No. Just no. I lost weight because I woke up from the lie I was telling myself. It would be nice if they would too 🙌 I swear these people are disgusting human beings that are seriously harming others with their ill-informed self-justification. Thank you for making your videos using common sense and logic!
just letting you know i'm pretty sure she uses she/her, their beard is a result of pcos not HRT
Good job, darling! And I couldn't say it better
@@cptjo thanks! I looked into it, and it looks like they use they/them so I edited it :)
We'll just start our own club for former fatties and everyone else who they say can't sit with them.
Currently in the process of losing weight, and also in the process of being approved for weight loss surgery. You took the words right out of my mouth; I'm losing weight because I finally learned to love myself and realize that I needed to take my life back, and so many others are the same. According to people like them, I suppose I'm fatphobic because I don't want to be in constant pain anymore or deal with serious health issues due to my weight. Congrats on your weight loss, you're awesome!
accessible stalls aren't made to fit fat people they're made to fit wheelchairs into the stall. dear god for a group that loves to call everything abilist they really dont know much about accessibility for those with disabilities. jesus this one dude is driving me up a wall. id love to hear about all the things hes doing to support those with disabilities because im sure it isnt anything and even if it is its only for fats with disabilities not thin people. and don't even get me started on the fact that there are plenty of disabiled individuals who aren't thin by choice but have things such as low muscle tone and other things that could be tied to their disability that make it extremely hard to gain or keep weight on.
also him n one other person in the video said they were disabled n i would just like to know if they're referring to their weight as a disability bc then it makes their argument weirder bc it isn't a lifelong disability... especially if youre able to lose the weight like so many people are able to do and regain mobility (i would say morbid obesity is a temporary disability, like if you break your leg is a temporary disability bc it takes a lot of work to reduce the trauma to the body but youre still able to recover n regain mobility in both instances)
@@caspertheghost8631 yeah obviously i dont know them and wouldn't want to assume anything but especially by the way he was talking about his disability its probably just mobility difficulties that come from being over weight. weather he believes that that actually happens or not because it definitely does our bones and joints aren't ment to have 400+ lbs pushing down on them. i also found it really funny that he had the audacity to say "just work out you dont need to lose any weight" because a) working out tends to have the crazy result of ✨weightloss✨ and b) im shocked he doesn't think his own comment is abilist because im sure if someone said that to him hed be like "i have a disability i cant work out how dare you be so abilist you fatphobe"
This part. I’m physically disabled and work super hard to maintain my weight bc I’m already limited and my disease is degenerative, I’m not going to put any more stress on my body I can avoid. Also it’s wild they think fat is a marginalized group - the majority of the population in USA is overweight or obese.
@@e.6328 yeah they're really just looking for anything to make them feel special and like they have something to fight for. the world has much bigger problems then "i cant fit in movie theater seats :( im so oppressed D:"
They forget ACTUALLY disabled people exist
In an earlier video one woman was complaining about the fact that there were arms on the chairs in the hospital because they made it difficult for her
What if someone who's weaker needs those arm rests to push themselves up?
Even if someone is on crutches or in general is just weaker, they're going to need them
They really act like the world revolves around them
I'm reading a book called Salt Sugar Fat. In it, an experiment was referenced where a graduate student was trying to make rats obese. In spite of his efforts, when given their normal food, the rats simply would not become fat. They ate what they needed, then stopped. However, when the graduate student gave the rats fruit loops, the rats gorged themselves. Further experiments also demonstrated that rats would willingly enter the center of a well-lit cage to obtain the sugary cereal, even though the instinct of rats is to stay in shadowy, sheltered corners. The rats also began refusing their normal food when it was offered, preferring to gorge themselves to the point of obesity on the cereal.
Processed foods high in sugars, salts, and fats are able to literally override our body's natural instincts. This is why I despise the idea that "listening to your body" is the healthy thing to do. That may work if you eat a whole food diet, sure! But if you're eating foods that were quite literally designed in laboratories to override every natural instinct you have when it comes to intuitively eating, I don't know how you can make the argument that getting to that size is in any way 'natural.' Our bodies were designed to self-regulate, but we have been giving them addictive foods that have completely destroyed our ability to do so. It's one of the reasons I no longer believe that old saying about food having no moral value. The more I learn about the fast food and processed food industry, the more I'm inclined to say some foods come from pure profit-driven evil.
This is such a good point, thanks for sharing that study! And for as much as they rag against diet culture and the diet industry... They sure are silent on the much more lucrative fast food industry literally sustained by these people. I'm sure McDonalds is pleased to see fat acceptance drivel because their food is being framed as just as 'good' as a balanced meal. I don't even support what constitutes the diet industry (lots of misinfo and quack quick-fix products being touted as miracle weight loss hacks-that's not how it works at all) but it's strange they aren't ALSO against a food industry that literally trains our bodies to crave more of it while lining their pockets. They actively support it. It's gonna be a yikes for me dawg.
Awesome 10/10 comment! Love learning new things and book recommendations! Thanks so much 🙌 💓
Very reasonable comment but this deluded ppl in that quirky scene won't get it
This is the comment that they need to read. 👍
Although I doubt it'll ever get through them.
Read The Dorrito Effect!!! It’s about food engineering
The guy just left me speechless by his nonsense. First by saying that weight loss surgery can permanently harm and sometimes kill people, as if being obese doesnt do exactly the same or even worse
And then by saying that thinking that you can't walk because of your weight is fatphobia. What is it supposed to be then, it's not gonna be a mental disorder or a mental illness that is responsible
I just can't with that much delusion
It's telling that it is apparently impossible to lose weight without surgery...
I thought it was a chick with a beard ngl.
No.. she/he just wants to continue to eat copious amounts of garbage foods. Period.
They said, “I used to be 200, but now I’m 400” in a video once.. like they know EVERYTHING..
They are a bully and AWFUL and clearly have a lot of poor coping skills yet crave attention that’s why they make these F’ing videos. Claim they can’t afford stuff, yet one trip thru the drive thru for me is 10 bucks minimum each person..
not being able to walk because their fat is not fat phobia it’s a fat person pulling too much gravity
So Tammy should just believe she can walk and Peter Pan will make her fly or some crap? Sure.
Mind, of course surgery can have consequences, but let's note that obesity, as you said, does too. On balance, if it results in weight loss, the surgery is worth it. If it doesn't, it wouldn't be.
I also liked how he heard from "people who...effing died." Really? Citation required on that one, buddy.
I love how they assume thin people can also just choose this. I was born early. Very early. I've always been a tiny/thin person. I also grew up poor with food insecurities that still affect me. I was constantly teased for my size, even into adulthood. Now I'm being told that I can't find some positivity in my body??? Geeze. These people have WAY too many screws loose. Forget losing weight..these guys need to read a book and learn a thing or two about empathy......
They are all just so selfish...
Even if I am obese, the reality they are denying is that a lot of thinner people don't look like "society's beauty standard" as well. Everybody is tricked by media into being insecure. My best friend got horribly bullied because she has very small boobs and another one because she may be thin but tall without curves and was called a man as an insult. There are so few people that look like Kim Kardashian and the like without heavy augmentation or filter.
A fellow preemie here also ♥️ I’ve been teased for my height as well and it used to be a huge insecurity for me but I have grown to really like my height.
My sister had been born premature as well, has three 'nubbins' that affect the middle three fingers of her left hand, and troubles being underweight. You, her, and everyone who has a handicap or difficulty gaining weight need wayyy more support than whiney fat people refusing to change. I can't believe body positivity has degraded into this gatekeeping, toxic sludge.
I work with a baby girl who will probably be to thin for her size forever because she was born with a big head with fluid in it,thus making her disabled. They do realize a majority of disabled people are rhin because of there disability right? So them saying that thin people can't find body positivity makes me angry cuz that means that baby girl I mentioned who is thin and disabled does not deserve body positivity. Also my brother use to be thin because he used to be sickly from acid reflex. Sorry for my rant, have a nice day.😓✌ I hope you eventually find security and confidence in yourself, deserves any of this.
I agree. My husband is an extremely thin person, he cannot gain weight even on an extremely high calorie diet. It's not his choice, he said he'd rather be thicker. It took until almost 30 to finally be okay with being so thin, because he spent his entire youth being severely bullied.
. Body positivity is for everyone.
I’ve NEVER heard anyone in real life saying “healthism” or “fatphobia”. I feel like scientists should study the way TikTok has influenced people’s perception of reality. They literally live in an imaginary world where they are oppressed for being overweight. As an LGBTQ/POC I’m so embarrassed for them🤦🏻♂️
As artificial intelligence begins to take over humans, scientists will look back at tiktok and the others and see how easy it was for some people to manipulate themselves into being victims.
They live in an echo chamber. The Tik Tok algorithm keeps them in a non stop loop of the same like minded ppl spweing the same "fat acceptance" bull 💩 Social media litterally distorts reality.
As a health acientist I want nothing to do with them lol
Well, fatphobia is something like bullying fat people, calling them names, making fun of them etc. But these folks call anyone who disagrees with them "fatphobic" which is dumb as hell.
Because those terms aren't a thing. They use those terms as an excuse to not lose weight.
Wait I thought FA's said that its impossible to lose weight, but then they say that former fat people aren't part of the movement. So which one is it? You can't have it both ways.
I’m a fat person losing weight, can wait to be a former fat person so I will never be associated with the fat activists!
Former fat people turn into magical unicorns and run away, hence are no longer part of the movement, you see.
I hate how these people are telling other people to “start their own movement” as if they didn’t STEAL the body positive movement from burn victims and those with amputated parts. Those are things that can’t be changed. We can change being fat. Even with medical conditions, it makes it harder, but not impossible.
Exactly!!!!!!!
Honestly, fatsapphicbro pisses me off the most. His opinion on "former fats" is trash. Most of us are trying to lose weight so we don't ruin our lives with poor health. Having excess visceral fat IS unhealthy. Sorry some of us don't feel like developing the diseases we are predisposed to triggered by weight. Christ on a cracker these people do not have the ability and comprehension skills to understand perspectives.
i think the visceral fat got to their brains too
Plus is it just me or sapphic is a term specifically related to woman loving woman? 😭
@@ccharmolypi it is but people on tiktok swear that men can be Sapphic for some reason 😭
Yeah, I agree. I'm totally against bullying fat guys are being biased against them. But not wanting to be fat, or saying that being fat is unhealthy isn't "fatphobic" 🤦🏻♀️
These folks lie to themselves and won't accept the fact that they are unhealthy.
@@gingeralesoda God, please say sike. I know bi lesbian was bs that was running around for a bit but I just assumed FSB was just very butch. I've seen butch lesbians take T but they still ID as women and would deck you for calling them a man. I don't know about this person but I'm getting bad vibes.
This guy makes me furious. So, going by his logic, I'd been better off dying from my appendicitis years ago, rather than undergo a bodily alteration (appendectomy) out of fear of my life?? Bruh
Le gasp! That's ~amputation~ and ~mutilation~ of course. Maybe you should've loved yourself out of appendicitis (I want to vomit)
@@harrowl1643 Ugh, I know right? Maybe I'm just appendophobic! (I want to vomit as well 😂)
Similarly, I guess my parents should have just let me stay cross-eyed. I had two Strabismus surgeries when I was little and my right eye straightened but my left was stubborn. I’ve been thinking about trying it again on my left as an adult (it wouldn’t change my eye sight but would straighten the eye if successful).
@@wintersprite I don't know what it's like to suffer from something like strabismus, yet I hope that you can find a solution that works for you and that you're comfortable with! Wishing you all the best x
@Lalogue better write that will down! /s
(But honestly, good luck to you and keeping my fingers crossed for you and the little crotch goblin ❤️ let me know how it went!)
How many subsets of "oppression" can they find?
Its devolved into an oppression olympics with them
I'm thinking this guy's main issue is the insecurity he has regarding his own size. If he were so comfortable being fat, he wouldn't care what any naysayers have to say. He'd be happy and living life, not bitching to the masses on TikTok 🤷🏻♀️
As someone who deals with depression and anxiety, the use of the word "insane" in that comment was perfectly appropriate and not at all offensive. The word is used informally to describe behaviors that are outrageous or shocking (like saying severe obesity does not lead to immobility) and there is difference between calling someone "mentally insane" and calling someone's words or actions "insane."
i agree as someone with bipolar
This, this, this 👏
I agree as an autistic person who has been hospitalised for mental health reasons. I think calling their beliefs insane is completely valid.
Diagnosed OCD here. Is it insane that I know exactly how many dishes are in my dishwasher and how many articles of clothing in my washer because my compulsion is to count everything? Yes. But I’m also good at math so…🤷♀️
When I tell people about my counting they are shocked, they do think it’s wild because it IS wild 😂 I’m not mad about it
agreed as a schizophrenic.
The person with the glasses really irked me. They're invalidating the VERY hard work some put in to reach a healthier lifestyle by saying they don't love themselves? That's disgusting...it may not be their version of self-love, but who are they to say people who've worked really hard don't love themselves? It's infuriating...and they wonder why they're met with hostility.
It's not self love period. Truly loving someone means wanting what's best for them, and putting in effort to secure that, even if you don't feel like doing it, even if they don't understand that it's what's best for them. You wouldn't let your child stay up all night or eat candy all day every day, or stick their fingers in electric sockets or running out onto the street when there's clearly a car approaching, just because they wanted to. Because while they don't understand that those things can be harmful at best and lethal at worst, you most certainly do, and so it's your job to prevent them from doing things they don't understand the consequences of.
Of course, this comparison is pretty damn apt given that these people approach food with the mentality of children, thinking to themselves, "it tastes good, so that means it IS good, and anyone who tells me otherwise must hate me because I'm fat." Still, my point is that if these people truly loved themselves then they wouldn't be so damn opposed to doing the hard thing when it will ultimately benefit them in the long run.
@@0XBlondie96X0 couldn't agree more.
Interesting that they consider it impossible to lose weight without surgery...
the amount of entitlement is actually sickening. i am writing this out of pure anger right now.
i have lupus. it was not my choice to wake up in pain every single day. it was not my choice to have brain inflammation and have diminished cognitive function. it was not my choice to have a rash spontaneously appear all over my body. it was not my choice to tremor uncontrollably. it was not my choice to lose my hair. it was not my choice to choke on my food because my immune system attacks my saliva glands. it was not my choice to see people in my SLE support group die from complications of this disease.
i do not have any control over my immune system slowly destroying my joints and organs.
these people have a much larger ability to control their fucking weight. it is fucking appalling to hear them make comparisons like this. how fucking DARE they.
i have lupus too and i 100% agree. its infuriating.
God their logic is so frustrating. Admitting that unhealthy people are unhealthy DOESN'T mean we don't love and respect those people. I'm not healthy, I have several chronic health conditions. I don't demand that everyone in my life pretend this isn't the case to spare my feelings.
With obesity though, most 20 somethings will still have "good labs", because your body can take a lot of abuse at a young age. It will hit you later in life. Most of my family is obese and they all lived normal lives throughout their 30's. Then in their 40's things started to go downhill. They needed one prescription med, then two, then five. Their joints were shot, injuries never healed. Honestly the mobility was the worst part and it's pretty hard to reverse things at that point. You can lose the weight and that will help, but if your knee is destroyed you can't really come back from that. The average life expectancy is 65 on the fat side of my family and 92 on the other side. And many of those 90+ year olds were living independent, full lives, while the 65 year olds had been disabled and relying on others for years. You don't see this side of it on tiktok because mainly only young people use it.
If this is what someone wants to choose for themself, fine I guess, but other people are allowed to have an opinion on it if it impacts them. All your friends and family members are going to be burdened by you in some way, it's incredibly selfish to make this "choice" on their behalf. On a society wide level, the rest of us are burdened as well by paying for their health costs, disability insurance, etc. Fat activists need to be careful, if they really want to go the "we don't owe you health" route, then the rest of us can go "fine, then we don't owe you healthcare, housing, food, or any other kind of assistance".
"You don't owe us health alright then we don't owe you healthcare...'
You would think that a line like that might get through to someone.
the last paragraph kinda worries me bc i agree and if this "movement" of theirs ever actually has mainstream traction i could see a lot of people in america fighting against any type of public healthcare option because this large group of people (pun slightly intended) not giving a shit abt their health and could lead conservatives or people against a public option to use that as fuel and further push us away from any sort of healthcare progress in this country. like i genuinely don't think they realize that they are only going to hurt more people with this sort of delusional thinking all fat activists seem to have
@@caspertheghost8631 I believe in universal healthcare but realistically, it's hard to see it ever happening in the US if people continue to shit on preventative healthcare (AKA lifestyle change). If universal healthcare is going to work, there needs to be personal responsibility as well.
Dont you think its kind of crazy and funny all these people all have recent labs... like I dont get labs that often and I also have several chronic illnesses.
@@caspertheghost8631 Yeah, I mean it's a slippery slope. None of us are perfect all the time, like I don't wake up every day at 5 to run 10 miles and eat an all organic kale/spinach diet without a speck of sugar. It's just hard to want to help someone who's rubbing in your face how little they're willing to help themselves, has the gaul to call you a bigot when you make helpful suggestions, and then puts their palm out for a handout.
I know people in their 30's and 40's who are killing themselves trying to care for children, disabled and aging family members, and they're livid when their siblings or spouses aren't willing to pitch in at all. Just like a family, society only works when every young, non-disabled adult is working hard and pulling their weight. If we're moving to a phase where half the adults who should be working, paying taxes, and not straining the healthcare system are instead choosing to be disabled people living off the state and using much more healthcare resources than people their age should be, it's going to crumble. Everyone wants to help people who truly can't help themselves, but a shrinking number of responsible people can't care for everyone.
Edited to add: god I sound like such a republican.. haha, oh well.
I didn't know what The Fat Acceptance Movement was until a few weeks ago when someone left a comment on my Instagram calling me fatphobic and promoting eating disorders. Last year I gained some weight, went from 55kg to 65 kg. It wasn´t a big deal but I started having pain in my Achilles tendon when running, the doctor told me that losing some weight would help alleviate those symptoms. So I went to the nutritionist and we agreed that protein-based intermittent fasting was a good plan. I lost the weight in 4 months and I was able to run my first 20K in two years. A mate commented that she was proud to see me running half marathons again and I told her about my diet, that's when some woman that I barely know, called me fatphobic. WTF? I didn't know what the hell she was talking about, there aren't many morbidly obese people here in Spain. Luckily I found your channel, still, I don't understand why they think wanting to lose weight or not being fat is fatphobic, my decision to lose weight was about my own fat, not someone else´s. 🤷♀️
Congratulations!!!!
These fatphobic folks need personality transplants 🤣
Fatphobia: Some fat chick (they're almost always women, but not always) being completely pissed off that you lost weight and she didn't. Keep it up, if you're pissing off a hater, you're doing it right and I'm sure you look fantastic.
They are delusional and want to spread the delusion to everybody else, just don't mind them and keep doing what you think is better for yourself....by the way congratulations on achieving your goals
It's because despite how much they try to say otherwise, they aren't actually happy with being fat. In fact, they're clearly miserable. But instead of putting in the effort of bettering themselves and improving the quality of their own life, they decide that it's too hard, and decide that they'd rather pretend they can't do anything about it, that they are perfectly happy and that they don't need to change and couldn't even if they wanted to, and that anyone who says otherwise simply hates them for being who they are. But of course that's not enough, because subconsciously they know that their fatness is what's making them miserable, but aren't willing to take the steps to remedy that, so instead they make their insecurities other people's problem. They see people posting pictures that showcase their weightloss, they hear people simply talking about losing weight, and interpret it as a personal attack on them. They cry about how bad it makes them feel that people are "terrified of looking like them" because they're so insecure about themselves that they need other people to be fat, or at least be ok with being fat, in order to reassure themselves that it is, indeed, ok to be fat. They need others to change their change their decisions to validate their own poor life choices. Because they're miserable and depressed. Because no person who's truly secure in their life and body is going to think other people living their life and minding their own business making different choices are doing it to shame or attack them for not wanting to live the same way.
The reason I know they're insecure is because I felt like that myself once. It wasn’t an issue of me being fat, I was depressed, my brain just wanted an excuse to hate myself, so for example if I messaged someone and they didn't respond back right away I'd think it was because they were sick of me and wanted me to shut up and, like, secretly hated me but were too nice to say it, when in reality they were obviously too busy to message me back right away. Still, at least I wasn't so narcissistic to expect everyone else to cater to my insecurities.
@@0XBlondie96X0 This is a very good explanation, actually. You're absolutely right; happy people don't get triggered by what others do in their own lives. FAM members are always claiming to be living their best lives but they always seem angry at really irrelevant stuff. Also, I'm happy you're doing better ❤️
I truly can't believe the way fatsapphicbro reasons. I'm someone trying to lose weight and I don't hate myself, I take care of myself in the best way possible, even when it's difficult. Nobody is going to do that for you. You need to take care of your body and health. Health is a precious thing.
I'm not "destroying my body" by making it stronger and more capable.
This person just wants to claim all the victim hood.
Im glad you’re taking the steps to start taking care of yourself! Loosing weight should come from a place of self love. You got this friend!
So much this! I didn’t lose 100+ lbs for nothing.
It’s so funny they don’t want us to push our “self hate” and all that on them but they’re the FIRST who have torn me down online when I talk about my weight loss and my subsequent journey of even more self acceptance. My journey is not a reflection onto or projection onto them at all-do what you want. Or don’t. I know I did what I wanted which was lose weight! But please stop making your issues with insecurity and things my problem-I am not responsible for what you’re deflecting onto me just because I lost weight lmao
@@Noor.taylor Damn, well done!
For the guy in the glasses. Weight loss surgery always works. When it doesn't, its because the patient didn't do their part by eating healthy and exercising. It is NOT a quick fix. It is a tool to help you. Also, when people have complications after the surgeries, it's 9 times out of 10 because they didn't take their bariatric vitamins and eat a high protein healthy diet.
I hate when they say, “we don’t owe anyone health”. Are u ok? U dont love your body that is no positivity. You owe YOURSELF health because you only get one body.
What irks me is that they spread misinformation and drag other people down with them in their spiral of unhealthy-ness
And they do owe us taxpayer health as obesity is a huge strain on the nhs or American health care insurance
right???? It's like alright, then we don't owe you respect since you don't have it for yourself either
"Tell me your horror stories, but I'll delete the positive stories, because I prefer echo chambers to honesty." I personally know 5 people who have had weightloss surgery. One of them lost over 200 pounds, got toned up, had 2 healthy pregnancies, and has still kept the weight off even 20 years later. ALL of the others not only gained back any weight they lost, but ended up even more obese and with even more health problems than they had beforehand. Why? Because they didn't take it seriously. They didn't follow the rules. They treated it like a quick fix. They thought of it like miracle drug, that they could go on living and eating however they wanted. They were no different than the Fat Activists that want to cry about discrimination/oppression (while being crude and discriminatory to others) but do nothing to lift themselves out of the lifestyle that landed them there.
As someone whose mother is in a wheelchair just letting that one person know THAT STALL IS NOT FOR YOU! like? its for wheelchairs and people with physical disabilities they didn't CHOOSE to have!!
The fact that they lumped in people that are unhealthy *by choice* with disabled people is infuriating. I’m disabled. I didn’t choose this. Being disabled isn’t a choice.
The person who said that a 500 lb person doesn't need to lose weight to regain their mobility is INCREDIBLY ableist. Sure, there may be young, strong people who can do exercises and remain mobile even at that weight, but not everyone can, especially as they get older. I've watched a lot of episodes of My 600 Pound Life, and often the people in their 20s can still get around a bit, but by the time they are in their 40s, they are pretty much completely bedbound. At some point the weight just becomes too much and any exercises the person could actually do have limited effectiveness beyond just getting them to burn a few more calories (which is fatphobic according to this person).
This rhetoric is starting to be taught in health classes, eating disorder treatment, dietitians. It's extremely dangerous. People who know better in these fields are being silenced with accusations of fatphobia and racism (it's now racist to lose weight, according to several 'respected' voices in academia). People like this guy are spreading lies that are being believed by very vulnerable, sick people. They're going to get people killed.
This was my grandmother‘s experience. She’s now a wheelchair user and lost all mobility because of the impact obesity had on her body.
As a “thin” trans person who has medically transitioned, my body is very much marginalized systematically. And there isn’t a thing I can do to change that. But apparently Thin trans ppl don’t face anything?
Not a thing. As a thin gay guy, the struggle is over for both of us and life is rainbows and cocktails at sunset. We've reached nirvana. Enjoy, the Supreme Court is completely on our side and our future is assured.
You're both valued in my book ❤️❤️
Fuck the haters and do you! They don't matter and they're life is trash which is why they're trying to hurt you. They hate their lives and they're trying to make you hate your life too so fuck them. Let them live miserable alone. You two are better than them.
Honestly the way the person with rainbow glasses talks about "natural" bodies rubs me the wrong way, I want to transition and not have the body I was "naturally" born and I'm okay with that, I want to be healthy and happy and that means I will settle with some of what I have, maintain it and change some things.
@@wattthefaqameye1146 Personally, I enjoy being able to see, so the natural body I was born with requires glasses. Very strong glasses.
Also, the natural body I was born with had a major problem with its gallbladder. Without some unnatural surgery, I'd be naturally dead twenty years ago. As it is, fatty foods are simply a very minor problem.
Forget natural bodies. Give me glasses and surgery any day.
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@@SuperSouthchick fr bro 💀💀
Another!!! Hahaha
Watching people rip marissa apart is so entertaining to watch
10:04 he says he’s not “here” for people who intentionally lose weight, but all thin people are expected to support the body positivity movement despite not being welcomed by it?? Everything that comes out of this person’s mouth is tone deaf or hypocritical.
"...pissed at those of us who refuse to hate ourselves." Ummm...NO. I've lost 140 lbs, I was 462 lbs at my heaviest. I'm happy that you love yourself, you should. Personally, I talk about my weight loss in the hopes that I can help another person get out of fat jail because that's what it was to me, (and still sorta is, I'm halfway through my wl). It's a horrid place to live IMO. I don't hate you, I didn't hate me, but I hated my limitations. ETA: I'm 61 so you know, those things they always warn obese ppl about, like crippling arthritis? It's not a lie. AND, and, didn't have wl surgery, couldn't for other reasons from previous surgeries, so yeah, didn't alter my body.
Congratulations on your achievement.. your doing awesome and obviously smart!
@@Mrs.CGraves awh, thank you!
Congratulations on your progress! That's amazing 👏 😍 🙌
@@mercurymay39 Thank you!I could wish I had started younger, but I can't go back. The best I can do it make the future better and be here longer for my grandchildren.
@@mercurymay39 thank you!
The one about former fats being the most fatphobic reminds me of how I felt about former smokers telling me how great it was to quit smoking. I hated them for being able to do what I couldn’t and felt bad every time they opened their mouths. I was too insecure and weak to change so instead I decide to hate people that were able to 🤷🏻♀️
Whew that’s some commentary
Healthism??? 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
They will add -ism and -phobia to anything 😭😭
@@ccharmolypi Exactly.
That's because it's not a real thing.
I did not have to “kill myself” OR buy into the diet industry to lose weight. I started exercising more and bit by bit increasing my muscle capacity while focusing on eating low inflammatory foods (*for my disability, thanks, those fat activists who pretend to care about nonfat disabled people when it is convenient to). That’s literally all I did. It didn’t cause me undue struggle or make me miserable or cost a bunch of money. I never went hungry - I refuse to ever feel like I’m starving on my diet bc I believe that’s a sign the body is being legitimately underfed, be it on calories or certain nutrients.
And I do feel like the people in this radical part of the body positivity movement don’t want me, which is really sad bc body positivity was so helpful to me early in my diagnosis. But my illness is internal and invisible except for my visible responses to it. I’m not sure if it would matter to them if it was visible, honestly. Let’s call it what it is: this is a space for the fat people involved in it to hate on everyone else indiscriminately and feel justified in doing that.
Over time I’ve come to realize I’m not welcome as a thin person even though I vocally stand with and support fat people on the real issues they face and don’t give a lick of a shit about anything about anyones body but my own. The body positivity movement has an ableism problem that stems from an “all non fat people” problem - which isn’t fair and causes others to become frustrated and angry which only further distances them from the support they could receive from the people they shit on.
I totally agree with what you are saying. The body positivity movement has become the "give me attention because I'm a lazy spoiled brat" movement. According to these woke obese activists it's completely normal to eat an entire mardi gras king cake for lunch lol
"buh buh buh I'm just feeding muh bodeh!!!!!!! it's my internalized fatphobia that makes me unable to wipe my ass, not the fact that I vacuum things into my mouth like Kirby!"
Perfect Timing!
I just got banned at Instagram bc i asked "does HealthAtEverySize also counts for people who weigh 60 pounds?"
After the person who tried to ban me this was hate speech ^-^
They should be grateful for former fats as that same person always moans about the scarcity of superfat clothes in goodwill.
Oooooooo
The insane bearded one needs serious serious therapy. They clearly have some deep rooted problems and they’ll live their entire life being bitter
im actually crying that dude really said the reason you cant walk *isnt* the weight OH MY GODDD
when I tell you I SCREAMED 😂😂😂 that's actually the funniest thing I've heard one of these people say
2:44 this, so much of this. When I was growing up, I had really bad self-image issues due to a huge scar on my torso which is a result of a skin transplant surgery after I got burnt and my skin literally rotted to the point of no return. The body positivity movement helped me tremendously back then. But now, I don't feel welcome there and it doesn't feel like a safe space anymore because I'm thin. Despite still being a 3rd degree burn victim. Despite having many more visible scarring now. Despite being queer, more specifically transgender and transitioning physically. They love to shield themselves with my body, yet they make me feel as unwelcome as one can feel in their community.
I'm not big in the community but I like suggesting body neutrality or radical self acceptance
Both movements have helped me personally more than body positivity because they take a step back from looks
I understand they're not for everyone but thought I might suggest them
"They bought into the weight loss industry"
-guy who spends $100 a day on food
I swear that guy is making me lose brain cells but I could NOT stop watching because his reasoning is just so unbelievable. He’s so hateful to people who deserve nothing but encouragement and support for trying to reach their weight goal in order to enjoy their lives more.
I definitely didn’t hate myself down 100+ lbs. I would say more like I loved myself enough to work on my issues with food and my behaviors that were not serving me to become a healthier person as I lost over 100 lbs. I feel so much better and take so much more care of myself now than I did when I was almost 300 pounds and it shows tj those around me and I wish other morbidly obese people could experience habit change to change their health and weight.
That’s an amazing accomplishment! Congratulations!!
Congrats!!!
I can’t wrap my head around the “thin people aren’t welcome here” mentality in the body positivity movement.
I’m very thin (5’7” and 120lbs) but I struggled with anorexia for 20 years and still struggle to accept myself and see myself as beautiful. I struggle with what anorexia has done to my body and I still get the “eat a cheeseburger” comments (which is just as rude as telling a fat person to put the cheeseburger down).
Oh! I have to chime in here. I went to PT for 3 months for immobility in my knees. First thing they told me was that losing weight was needed for a full recovery because me continuing to put too much strain on them wouldnt let them heal properly
It's strange how the people in the fat acceptance movement say they love themselves (more than anyone who has lost weight). Maybe they do, but it is apparent that they have a lot of hate towards anyone they can't relate to. And ironically enough, that's not very healthy...
He’s big on “thought crimes”. I can lose the 30lbs inoffensively if it’s somehow unintentional, but if I lose 30lbs by actively working towards my goal to be stronger, heal from my knee injury faster, have more confidence, protect my liver from having elevated enzymes again, and keep up with my 4 yr old… I’m fatphobic?
One day, I hope, ppl like him will realize they can’t control ppl and give up on obsessing on the thoughts of strangers.
Wow. Losing weight to get an easier time moving around is fatphobic. Is there anything that isn't fatphobic?
Funtie... it's okay... take a deep breath. I know these people are insane and narcissist and need to be called out, but it's not worth sacrificing your mental health.
the amount of cluster b personality disorder red flags in the FA realm is staggering. That uber-shrill, abrasive girl Marissa is textbook NPD.
They want their bodies and health to be no one else’s business but they want to judge people for intentionally losing weight?! 🙄
And will want a doctor when it will probably be already too late to help them.
They are playing the Opressesion Olympics, if mental gymnastics burned calories they'd be very thin
I found your channel two weeks ago and i lost 7 lbs from being motivated. Thanks.
That’s wonderful! Keep up the great work!
@@elsasbc thank you for the motivation !
"If you hate yourself so much that you're altering your body in a way that it's not meant to function, you have different issues and need to see a therapist." Taking responsibility for aspects of their health that they have control over isn't "hating" your body, it's loving it. It's often tough love, but it's doing what's best for you.
I’m sorry but what?!
The toilet roll holder in public restrooms digs into that persons leg?
How is that not a wake-up call?
No one should be that size.
That’s so disturbing.
@3:18 agreed on that point, wish they would also leave black people out of the argument too. They always say “fat black women” started the FA movement, which is absolutely false
“The most fatphobic people are former fats” ?? I didn’t lose weight because I hated myself. I lost weight because I got help for the depression that led to me not caring about my body in any capacity. I lost weight because I love my body and now I understand it deserves to be treated well.
I don’t hate fat people. I just know that I’ve been there and it’s hard and I hope they get help. Because a lot of people’s weight is a combination of bad eating habits, bad living conditions, and mental illness and I feel like a lot of people aren’t admitting that. All I can say is I’m glad I never fell into the delusion of fat acceptance because even when I was fat, I knew I was treating my my body badly, I just didn’t care.
The fat guy always seems so fun, like I bet he’s a ball at parties🙄
He's a literal ball lmao
Idk i started losing weight when i admitted to myself that self-love isn't enough to address my physical aches and pains and the general discomfort i felt when i was 200lbs at 4'11".
Taking care of your body is a form of self love!
Once again, it's almost always these early to mid-20 somethings spewing this nonsense like your weight has nothing to do with not being able to walk. My theory is that most of these women have been overweight for most of their lives - so their body has adjusted to the best it can. Talk to me when you're in your late 30's or after you've had a kid - your joints, back, insomnia and a variety of other ailments will make them change their tunes.
and I think that's why some former fats CAN be a little preachy. Because a lot of them were fat their entire lives and when they lost weight, it was the first time they fully understood how much it affected them. So there's this desire to tell people that no, it's not impossible to lose weight, and SO MUCH will improve if you do...your digestion, your stamina, your sleep, and yes, your physical appearance.
Okay, the dude with the glasses needs a good sock in the face. The entitlement is way too real.
He is the worst!! And the scariest part about him is that he is a self-proclaimed “death fat”
@@jstarASMR3103 according to their chart/terms, I am a mid to small fat, and I’m trying to be a “thin body” 😂
He told us to "shut the f up."😂
The fact that the one guy uses the phrase "go on a permeant diet for the rest of my life" is exactly why he is fat. He thinks of healthy eating as something you do transiently versus changes you make to your life forever. That is one of the core issues with their complaints about 'diets fail'.
I lost around 120 pounds, because I love myself. I am a burn victim from a severe car crash, that put me into a coma and broke many bones. After a few years of recovering from that and learning to walk again, I was around 250 pounds. I am 126 pounds now and I never felt bad during the weight loss. I was never feeling hungry or starving. I didn’t even develop loose skin, although my doctor told me I’d get massive loose skin on such a weight loss.
The truth is, the way that I used to eat was in a way abusing myself. I hurt my knees, my blood sugar got to pre diabetes and my liver enzymes increased. If you weigh 250 pounds, like I did, you need to eat around 4000 calories a day, just to maintain that weight. If you start , to eat a standard 2000 calories a day , from healthy , more filling food , you will lose the first 50 pounds easily. I only reduced my calories to 1600 , after I went below 180 pounds.
BTW., my knees don’t hurt anymore at 126 pounds.
In other times, countries , it wouldn’t be possible, to get so morbidly obese. It’s an extremely spoiled thing, actually, a luxury. We have so much, that so many people want to just eat , because it’s fun. No other reason.
My body was in pain. That’s not fun. I didn’t enjoy that. I’m happy now. I can do whatever I want. I can ride my horse again. At 250 pounds, I could have never again went on a ride with him, he’s an Arabian and that would be abuse. Sadly, I see people, that ride horses, that they are too heavy for.
I like what you said about the way you used to eat was like abusing yourself. When you say it that way, that isn't body positivity at all. And also what you said about being able to eat so much is a luxury. It really is.
When the body positivity movement started, it was to highlight amputees, and people with I juries that left them disfigured. So the lady in the first video needs to look into the history of the movement herself.
I know, I couldn’t believe that when she said that. It was to help people with physical injuries and disabilities, scars, disorders, etc. And help able bodied people to understand them better. Overweight people are the ones that jumped on it and took it over. They are the ones who should have started a new movement.
This community gives me serious cult vibes. They all have the same set in stone ideas, an unbreakable "us against them" mentality, they always have the same answers, it's almost like a doctrine...
They literally fit the BITE model that they use for religious cults
Are they really trying to make “healthism” a word??!🙄
They'll add words like fatphobia and healthism to make themselves smarter.
This dude... Does he know that gravity exists? Doing exercise and strengthening your body is always good but at some point stronger muscle tissue won't be able to stop your mass from crushing your joints and deforming your feet. You can't train your bone and cartilage once you have ground that shit to dust you're fucked and this will certainly be a painful process. That's not even only about fat I also heard stories from body builders with a lot of muscle mass who at some point got aching joints and a hard time walking or jogging for long distances because they got just too heavy for their frame. It's not rocket science.
The other day some very large people came in line behind me at the check out lane, and they smelled very bad. If people want to eat themselves to morbid obesity, please at least shower and put on clean clothes before going out in public! The smell was so strong and terrible, like foot odor, old cheese and sweaty ballsack combined!
I honestly cannot comprehend the mental gymnastics of talking about unhealthy lifestyles to jumping to fucking MORALITY AND FUCKING SELF-WORTH OR SUM SHIT LIKE THAT LIKE HUH
Also anyone else just really sad for fatsapphicbro like what are you so mad for?
He always looks sad ): Wish him the best.
As a fat person who tries to lose weight
No, i dont love my body but i also dont hate it like the gentleman assumed😊
I believe strong in body neutrality with body parts that will/can change
I view my body as what it is, my body! Health comes first and then looks!
How can you deny that excessive weight doesn’t limit mobility??? How can u say that a 500+ pound person has remotely the same mobility as the average person. Do these people just never go outside and notice ppl that are different from them?
At this point being called fatphobic is a good thing. I feel bad for my fat friends and family who are totally normal people just trying to exist and want to try to be healthy but struggle. Most fat people are not insane like these fat activist but you basically need to be labeled fatphobic to be sane right now.
1:43 that lady got it backwards, body positive is for self love, but was taken over by fat people. it was for people with things like scars or the skin thing where you have spots of different color skin(i dont know enough to even describe it), body positive was for self love not a denial of self improvement. because you can always love who you are but still always want to improve yourself.
I don't think that anyone should be bullied for their weight. I truly don't. HOWEVER, "bullying" and encouraging someone into better health are two very different things. Also, what FA/FL activists tend to forget is that being underweight is just as unhealthy as being overweight. I'll get straight to the point, I'm an0r3xic. Have FAs forgotten that those with restrictive EDs can experience adverse effects of their weight as well? Feeling dizzy and hungry ALL THE TIME? Dry skin? Low blood pressure? All of these and more are things I've experienced due to my illness, as well as the less pressing issues like baggy clothes. Body Positivity is for everyone, not just fat individuals.
It is extremelyyyyy ableist to tell someone who is immobile to just "do some physical therapy" wtf
As a former fat, I’m constantly confused at what I “bought into”, seeing as how gaining control of my health and lowering my weight actually released me from the consumeristic life I led while being obese (junk food, makeup -to cover my insecurities, a giant wardrobe- to try and make myself feel good about my size, pharmaceuticals- I was on so many meds to combat the deteriorating mental and physical state..) there’s probably way more but you get the point. What do I buy to be fit? Literally nothing. I move my body (free), I eat food grown from the earth (almost free). I don’t go overboard buying clothes and I don’t wear makeup anymore, because I’m confident. Best of all, I feel so much better. Why are people so scared of being healthy? It’s changed my life for the better.
Weight loss surgery person here. I went through a bariatric sleeve, lost 80 kilos and now I'm kind of 'plateaued' but still losing, just at turtle pace now, it's normal. Now, the risks aren't as great as the haes people make it seem. All surgery and doctor related risks don't suppress 5%, the risk of dying during surgery is .2%, .6% if you passed 150 kilos. I read all the material, and it's all a quick search away. All the big screw ups are majorly patient related, either by resisting the new limitations, not following instruction or whatever. The patient is the big problem, not the doctor nor the procedure.
"anything that causes a disturbance to their worldview is considered hostile" YUP
That guy's logic is maddening. Being fat hurts my feet! I'm 40lbs away from the ideal weight for my height, and I know the pain will ease as I get lighter.
Maybe he's never seen 'My 600lb Life' and all the mobility issues highlighted. 🤔
you can't hate yourself into health. if you hate yourself, that is automatically an unhealthy thing; you're just jumping from one detrimental way of living to another. people who lose weight and make the long-term, sustainable lifestyle changes associated with that do not hate themselves; they love themselves enough to know that where they are is not where they should be to maximize their limited time on this planet. imagine being so narrow minded that you believe only your way of living can lead to happiness and that anyone who deviates automatically doesn't like themselves. yikes.
I saw a t-shirt at the gym once that said "I don't diet cuz I hate myself I diet cuz I love myself"
After losing 80 pounds, my skin cleared up, my sex drive came back, my back stopped hurting, I stopped snoring and being out of breath, and my mental health got better.
But I guess that was all a coincidence
I wonder how many of these “fat people” were ever healthy “thin people”. I got sick a month th ago and couldn’t work out and I got depressed and started eating and drinking trash. I gained junk weight and I feel like shit and I remember how I used to feel and I can’t wait to get back
I was 300lbs at the start of lockdown and it was so f***ing unhealthy and I could walk for more than 5 minutes without getting out of breath. I had so many health issues. No one can tell me it was ok to be that size. I’m now down 65lbs and still have another 50 to go but I already feel amazing and can run 5K. I feel so much better and most of my health problems have already gone. I will forever be against fat positivity - self love is entirely different. We need to love ourselves at our biggest to know we deserve to be healthy.
I just love reading people's journeys in the comment sections, they're so inspiring!
WLS is a last-line treatment. If you're a candidate for WLS, that means that conventional treatment methods and lifestyle changes haven't been enough, and you need straight out surgical intervention. So yeah, there are going to be patients who don't do well in recovery or who backslide afterwards, but that doesn't mean it's not an effective treatment for far more patients!
Thank you! It’s exhausting hearing all the stats given w/o context.
"Thinking you can't walk because of your excess weight is fatphobia." 😂🤣🤣
At my heaviest, (besides labwork stuffs) one of the things that helped me realize, "oh dang, I think I need to stop eating terribly and start exercising beyond work." was when I went into a public restroom and like they described, my leg was starting to get smushed up against the toilet paper dispenser. Since that had never been an issue before, it was a bit startling to suddenly not fit very well. Instead of getting angry at the stall, I reflected and came to the realization that I needed to either make positive changes in my life or accept things as they were. The changes didn't feel very positive at first, they felt pretty negative, tbh. But, that was just the Taco Bell addicted sugar fiend who didn't want to stop being gluttonous. It takes time for your thinking to change, and as I am sure they know, things don't change unless you want them to AND you take the necessary actions. It's always both, you gotta want it and do it. Cause as we ALL know, wishing and hoping don't do a damn thing without action.
To respond to the gentleman that I can never stand listening to when he makes an appearance in your videos. As a former fat person (went from 299lbs to 178lbs and still losing) he can go straight to hell and stay there. I had gastric bypass 2 years ago and it’s the best thing I could have done for myself. I was miserable being fat. It honestly had nothing to do with society either. I hurt, I was always sad and irritable, I NEVER participated in any of the things my family did because I was so self conscious or I just wouldn’t fit, physically. Do I have some side effects from my surgery? Sure, the biggest one is I get sick if I eat too much in general or eat too much sugar. But for the most part I can eat what I want. Also I do have to take some extra supplements but honestly it’s no more a burden than when I was pregnant and had to take my prenatals.
Honestly people like him are just projecting and I will never believe anyone who is obese/morbidly obese is actually happy the way they are. I will die on this hill. I said what I said, come at me bro.
Edit: also I just wanted to come clean and say that while my decision to lose weight wasn’t a “society pressured me” type thing and I DID do it for health reasons … I also did it to look better, I wasn’t always fat, and I liked how I looked pre weight gain. I lost weight because I wanted to look better, and that’s ok 👍🏽