Overcoming Defensiveness: Horse BITES When being Saddled
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- čas přidán 22. 01. 2024
- Here Ryan Rose uses natural horsemanship techniques while tackling the challenge of overcoming saddling defensiveness. It delves into the behavioral aspects of horses when faced with saddling and provides practical, easy-to-implement solutions. Whether your horse has developed a recent aversion to saddling or has always been apprehensive, this video offers insights into understanding and reconditioning these behaviors. You'll discover techniques to transform the saddling process into a calm and enjoyable experience for both you and your horse. From understanding the root causes of defensive behavior to step-by-step guidance on reconditioning, this video covers it all. Don't miss the chance to turn your tacking sessions from a struggle into a harmonious activity. Subscribe for more horse training tips, and check out our Patreon page for exclusive content.
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Hi Ryan, my gelding tends to get crabby when he is brought in the barn to get tacked up alone. He also refuses to leave without rearing and throwing a tantrum. We don’t have cross ties or anything, we just i them up like you have this horse in the first round of tacking up and whenever I try to go either under his neck or behind him he try’s to bite. I trust him that he won’t kick but I’m still concerned about the biting.
I loved that the lady acknowledged that the problem started when she was rushing and wasn't necessarily paying full attention.... very easy to do. She didn't blame the horse. Great masterclass in release to pressure and as always Ryan's calm energy helping this horse find her way back . Fabulous
Ryan knows humans just as well as he knows horses. Good lesson, good teacher.
I love that she honestly said she thought it might be something she had done. Honest lady. ❤️
I love how the horse gives you the "side eye" when you are explaining what you are going to be doing with her in this video. It's like she's thinking "I'm right here, I can hear you!" lmao. awesome video, thanks for sharing
One thing not to be underestimated is Ryan´s calm energy and his low pleasant tone while he speaks. Horses seem to appreciate that and are more open to his guidance.
He's moving confidently because he knows what he's doing, a lot of owners are very skiddish around the horse, especially if they've already been aggressive. I remember one video where the owner was not able to get the horse to move, and Ryan just came up and led the horse away, he didn't even do any of the training😅 That must've been even worse for confidence
Good on you, lady. That's rare that anyone acknowledges the possibility that they screwed up. Witu poor daily habits. That's a huge deal. Good for you. 😊
I love this woman. She is clearly knowledgeable and yet so teachable. So rare
“I think I screwed her up!“
Hard to admit! I was impressed the moment she said that! horse’s issues are usually pain or human error. Obviously not always but usually and it’s so hard to admit sometimes. She’s awesome!
This owner is the problem. Don’t praise her for being the entire problem.
@@krisbaker9427 she asked for help from a professional and can acknowledge she doesn’t know everything. Admitted her faults? That’s a good horse owner…
Seems like a down to earth, sweet lady, just like her horse😀!
@@krisbaker9427She was praised for acknowledging she was the problem, that’s rare in a time when many people won’t take responsibility for themselves.
Impressive! Great fundamental principle of having your horse released to what you want them to do. You are helping so many people "make the right thing easy and the wrong thing difficult."
I like that this lady is seeking help and not being defensive about being instructed. This horse seems like a sweetheart. 💕
I really like that you didn't just show her how to do it; you had her try it herself. It was funny when she said, "I've tried everything!" I thought, "Not everything:)" So cool, Ryan!
She is anticipating pain, discomfort, a negative experience. Lovely horse, you can tell she is really trying to understand what is happening to her. She wants to relax. I hope the owner will follow thru with this advice.
I’m confused on how ulcers were diagnosed and treated. My guy has grade 4 ulcers and cold affects him and his behavior is similar to this mare. Back will hurt. Give the horse at least 2-3 month if omeprazole and time off to heal. GET A SCOPE!
How did your horse get grade 4 ulcers?
I'm new to watching equestrian channels and really enjoy it. I came across your channel and appreciate your style in communication with the horses that you help. Good on this owner for being humble enough to ask for help in dealing with her horse's behavior issue.
I have not watched the entire video but I'm pausing to add this next comment that may seem out of place.
What I'm about to share is in regard to this barn environment. And so my inspiration for commenting at this time is due to the audible sound iseveral.minutes in because I noticed a buzzing sound that
Could very well be from the fluorescent lighting in your barn. Tubes and compact fluorescent bulbs (cfls) emit a high pitch radio frequency sound. This type lighting is very harmful and animals are very sensitive to the effects from them. Please switch to incandescent -Yes they are available on line as LED and fluorescent lighting/tubes create anxiety and damage the retinas, your animals will thank you.
I also noticed the woman was a little amped up in the beginning too, her voice slightly shrill - but that could be due to a lot of things like being on camera. But at the end, both horse and handler were much improved and relaxed. Great ending.
Raising the level of concern so there is a dopamine release- changing of nervous systems. Little bits of knowledge thrown in for better understanding- thanks!❤
There is a reason why saddles were created, to spread the pressure of our pelvis bone points over a large area of the horse’s back. Bareback pads can’t do that. I think the horse was being very clear, saying, Don’t ride me with that pad. It hurts.”
I think a bareback pad is probably better than a heavy western saddle, but I'd suggest that they get this horse checked out for ulcers or kissing spine regardless of what Ryan said.
@@henrietta9394 I do agree with you! This horse is trying so hard to tell humans that she do not want anything on her back! There is a reason for that, she is not disobedient. Dominating her by moving her hindquarters will only make her to submit, that´s how horeses are by nature. Something hurts her back.
I’m sure they were using a bareback pad because it was earlier to handle compared to a saddle during this session.
@@henrietta9394 I VERY MUCH AGREE with you on every point!
@@debbieadcock7328 I think you are right. Heavy western saddles are always a huge problem for me too, because I'm a small woman.
it is refreshing that the lady is honest and has ruled out medical problems and this new change was definitely positive for the horse; nice video
4:30 Great side eye! I love it 😍
I'm always so impressed with your easy and effective ways.
Did she have a vet or someone knowledgeable to check that her back is not sore? She said the horse did not have this anxiety stuff going on when they got her.
She clearly stated that she had a vet and chiro come out and check her over, and they found nothing.
Well gee whiz. Perhaps I didn't hear that or I wouldn't have asked . No need to be snotty with people. @@SilverFlame819
A chiropractor isn’t a medical person-or may not be. And the vet didn’t scope the horse but declared it was ulcer free-which is basically a guess. So I don’t know that any definitive medical procedures have been performed. BUT if a bit of training clears up the issue, then I would imagine that the horse did not have ulcers in the first place. Doesn’t hurt to try!
@@SilverFlame819I’d get a massage therapist. Chiropractor specializes in alignments, they don’t work with fascia and muscles like massage therapists do.
"Did you get the horse checked for ulcers"?
" Well I had the chiropractor come out and do pressure points". 🤦
I would also suggest to anyone who has a mare to have her checked for cystic/painful ovaries.
So true!
Bareback pads are hard on a horses back. They do not help to distribute the weight. That's what a tree in a properly fitted saddle does to help decrease pressure points. She's also built downhill with some lordosis, so proper fitting is important. Turn the horse out and give her some time off. Lesson horses work hard and deserve breaks. I feel bad for this horse.
I agree. Especially for lessons. Beginners who may or may not have a great seat yet doesn’t help at all.
But I guess she said she does it with any tack so. I missed that part. Still 😂
I know this girl and she gives her horses the best care than majority of horse owners and lots of time off. She has enough in her herd this can be done. She’s been giving lessons for 40 years. She treats her horses very well and her students are all kids.
Beautiful horse. I love the way you handled her.
Beautiful mare! It's a very kind way of training
Honest delightful lady. Ryan, just your presence is calming.
So simple but so effective! Love this video. Proves you can do a lot with a little space to work in. Kudos to the owner who took the initiative to seek help instead of "showing that horse who's boss"!
I really enjoy watching your videos
I love these videos. I do not have any horses but they are beautiful creatures.
I don't have horses either, but I find the videos so interesting from a behaviorist perspective. Plus, the horses are - as you say - very beautiful and most of the time very, very intelligent! 😍
You're the man, Ryan! Thank for the video!
I love the knowledge in these videos, but I get so annoyed bc so many of these things are obviously pain related and these owners are not doing their diagnostic due diligence even though they say they are. Did you actually scope it? 2wks of general ulcer treatment/preventative is not a fix. Does she have back pain? Foot pain? ECVM? So many things not answered in so many of these behavioral videos.
I do agree with you!
Wow! What an improvement with such a small switch! Beautiful horse, I love her.
This video made the lights come on for me. My horse does this exact thing when being tacked up. Now I know how to work on it with her. Thank you!
thanks for your patience Ryan and continually sharing your knowlege
Great analogy, trailer or saddle making the right thing easy.
WOW~I was a stable girl growing up~never had the money to ride but was happy just to be around horses and the barn. Not around horses anymore but my love for them never went away. Just found your channel and I am hooked. You are the real deal and I will be watching more video's.
Brilliant! Very inspiring Ryan Rose!
The mare I purchased 7 months ago does this very thing! She is trained amazingly but was leased out for (2)6 month stents with 2 different families so who knows what happened. The owner said she never did this before and probably needed adjusted. I had her checked for ulcers but they didn’t offer to scope her and vet said she was fine. I was thinking when the roads are decent again to have her checked for kissing spine as well as actually get her scoped now that they offer that service. My horse continues to nip through the cinching and mounting but once you walk off she is great. I pretty much do this very same work with her to get her through the process but it’s something I have to do every single time.
that’s my old trainer!! Mrs.Nancy!! she is absolutely amazing
Patience and release, amazing training.
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Awesome job!!!
Great training video! 😊
Thanks for another great video!
👍👍 Well done!
Wow! What a change! Glad you shared this!
Great job, guys!
This is fantastic!!
A ton of great information here ! Thank you Ryan.
That is a bareback pad, not a saddle. My horse does not care for the bareback. Perhaps she needs more support and riding in the pad is uncomfortable for her?
The woman said it was the same for any tack. This was about the horse developing an intense objection from rushed, insensitive saddling.
Great job Ryan
I love your training techniques
Beautiful mare!!
Thank you for posting this problem and solution! Your techniques work!
A few cinch pinches will cause that. We had to get cinch protectors for some of the heavier ranch horses but we never used mares.
Awesome! 🦄💜
Really good analogy -Blanket to trailer - helps me better understand the way they think - - - thanks
She would really benefit from back strengthening exercises. Sway back, big belly, lumbo-sacral dip
Yup. I think so too. And a check for kissing spine.
Amazing.
Always go back to basic, nice work! I wish that ppl in general would take help with these thing instead of being frustrated and also sometimes put themselves in dangerous situations. A small thing can make a big big change!
Very smart!
Thankyou that's great. The pony is getting two lessons for the price of one! Learning to sidepass and also relaxing with the annoying thing
What "ulcer stuff"??? Anything other than omeprazole and you're not actually treating ulcers...also two weeks isn't long enough to treat ulcers.
A chiropractor definitely wouldn't be treating ulcers. You can get omepizole over the counter, but the equine dose is very high, and 30 days of treatment, for the first two weeks, I think it's twice a day.
Ulcergaurd probably
Or that gut x stuff with the organic soybean oil or camellia oil I think it’s called
@katiewashington7338 Ulcerguard in the tube is omeprazole, but the tube syringe is about $50 and only contains 2 to 3 doses depending on weight, so my vet just uses regular omeprazole in a capsule, but you have to open 10 capsules per dose. Much cheaper, though.
Horses can benefit from Aloe Vera, Slippery Elm, psyllium for ulcer healing. Definitely two weeks isn't long enough if there's active problem. Adding a little alfalfa helps, too.
Come back to WI, Ryan, it's warm up here!
Ryan's callsign, "Hot Lava"
My horse spooks at his saddle almost every time after I put it on (scoots sideways or jolts backwards a few steps), I wonder if this would work for that too? Going to try at least changing up the routine and see if it helps - tying him in a different area maybe lunging him first for a minute or 2. Thanks for the ideas!
She could be sore from someone bouncing on her back from lessons?
So cool to se her aha moment!!!! Great teacher of humans you are Ryan! (Yoda voice)
Ryan get yourself a Wild Rag to ware around your neck on cold days. Cowboys ware Wild Rags. I learned a little bit too watching this video.
She is really pretty. Looks like she has a low back and might anticipate pain. I had a sway back horse and with a therapeutic pad he was more comfortable.
my horse bites when saddling and putting on the halter, going to try this thanks
That mare certainly has a personality. Seems like she was just being a bit of a rascal beciase she knew she could get away with the behaviour. 😊
This was a great vid.
Ooh..how do you do this.! I'd really like to do this w my chap..I have a few very basic moves..but without a teacher..tricky to continue.. very little of it in Ireland..😢
Hi! I have a question. When I ride my mare lately, she has been really barn sour and keeps trying to canter when I'm just trying to walk. How could I help this? I used to ride in a halter and lead rope but lately she's been kinda crazy she won't even respond just to a halter. I need some tips here!
I agree with Haley,. I follow Dr. dpaulos treatment as well. It did not work because I wanted up getting her scoped and she had to grade 2+ ulcers
Do you have further tips? My friend has a horse and she behaves like that too, but to put pressure on her she can't make turns like that because her insides are twisted, and the advice of the doctor was go as straight as you can, if we try her to go aroud, she gets annoyed and it looks like it will hurt a lot, so we don't do that. She sniffs the bareback, but when you get next to her and try to lift it up, she bites and walks away from it. We give her the space for it, but it doesn't seem to work very well
My horse did this until I stated him on GastroMend. Omeprazole use long term can be bad and cause liver damage.
If the horse wasn’t actually treated for ulcers with omeprazole, that’s likely where the issue lies. The horse need a a definite diagnosis as well from an actual vet.
Quiet ❤
Does the horse enjoy being ridden? I'm curious if the horse is relaxed when ridden without any pad
Awe, she looks like a filly off of my old mare, APHA Ray of Sunshine McCue. Sunshine had the same attitude.
Gosh she’s a beauty!
How is she with other horses and being in close proximity?
She showed Progress With Pad now Question how long do You think a Light wight Saddle would be Add to Her Routine ❤❤???
I just hate western saddles. They are so heavy and bulky! If I was a horse I would flip out every time someone approached me with one!
Im scared for this lady. THIS IS A WARNING.One day she is going to really do something. Ryan is a saving this horses life. And the ladys.
Always rule out the possibility of cystic ovaries or other ovarian issues with mares. Many have pain that doesn’t ever get diagnosed.
Took 3 months for my mare to get over ulcers. Shed try to bite by even when you place your hand on her belly. Now, she doesnt bat an eye
I’m confused. In the beginning she said she’s been dealing with this for 6 months, then at the end she said she’s been dealing with it for “years.” Which one is it? The horse is only 6 years old, according to the owner. How long could she possibly have been a lesson horse? (6 is really young for a lesson horse to begin with.) Maybe the horse just hates being a lesson horse.
My horse has been doing the same & also had an endoscopy to see if she had ulcers & she does not
Possibly deficient in Vitamin E
Well crap. I am having this issue with my rescue horse AJ. He is exactly like this mare, but he is way older. I am going to do this with him.
So she does have ulcers? I didn't understand fully.
She said she was checked over, and they didn't find anything.
@@SilverFlame819 ok. Then what medication did the vet give that the mare was on for 2 weeks?
@@lynnm.kleingardner8640I looked at the vet's website, it says they recommend omeprazole for 10 days, to see if it helps. If it helps, you know they have some acid/ulcer issues going on. She said it didn't help. So probably not an ulcer issue. It's the same thing humans take for acid reflux.
So I did the full treatment of ulcer guard and they’re gone
Asked several times on timeframe of this issue?? Oh, 6 mths. It's just been 6 mths...
End of session, oh it's benn years i've been dealing with this???!
Huh?
I'm not hating but all must be honest when trying to solve an issue. Per Monty Roberts, 'we never stop learning, e en at my age.....and I'm older than the hills'?!! Hahahaha
Don't be embarrassed. Even the pro of pros messes up.
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Happy Riding or just lovin' on your horse.
Maybe she’s in pain and doesn’t want to be ridden. Like does she have an option to not be ridden? I’m looking at the dip in her back that doesn’t look like anybody should be on her back
You can ride a horse with lordsis. There is no problem with that.
First guess to this without seeing it yet..
Have we checked the tack fits? Have you made sure its not just ulcers? Maybe youre doing the girth/...sinch? (How you spell that?) too tight?
I dunno.
Usually a horse behaviour issue turns out to be a human issue. Almost every. Time.
Good this lady is trying to fix the situation though so. No hate.
I don't correct people's spelling very often, but since you asked, the spelling for the western girth is "cinch". It's also the same spelling if you are using that word to say a thing is easy. Both ways, it's spelled c-i-n-c-h.
She looks like she listening and understanding everything your saying Ryan. LOL
Give the horse a flake of hay before you bring him out to tack up. Hay coats the stomach and protects the moving horse from the sloshing stomach acid while being ridden. Horse probably has ulcers and associates tacking up with being ridden, therefore doesn't want to be tacked up because of the upcoming acid burning her empty stomach. Hay before tacking up may help. Gastroguard is medication for treatment of ulcers, need 30 day veterinarian prescription for gastroguard. Good luck to you.
Ryan Im thinking u have come across people who should not own a horse do to their own negligence and lack of care ...in these cases how do u proceed...some people get a horse just because they want to say they own one but really have no desire to care for it properly, they should have laws for obtaining and owning a horse and not just financial. U should have to have knowlege and take courses before taking on animals that require special care.
Slippery Elm Bark
I don't think it's a saddle or the pad...
that horse is anticipating ..
Anticipating riders that aggravate her...
Less experienced riders..
This horse is probably used to a good rider .... I bet if you
Saddle her with a good rider for 4 weeks.. You would have a different horse...😊
That's what I think too. Possibly it's a combination. I think the horse is also anticipating having a heavy western saddle tossed onto them, and maybe a too tight girth or cinch as well. And having students pulling hard on its mouth for at least an hour or 2. (Which is part of what you said.)