Golden Doodles so cute so people don't see them as anything but a big stuffed toy. They get spoiled rotten as pups and then the owners get blind sided by the dog that is under all of that fluff. I can't tell you how many spoiled rotten doodles I have had come to my classes. And most were out of control and bored and desperate for direction and structure.
I can see that happening. Standard poodles are some of the smartest dogs on the planet, and the labs don't dumb them down, just cute them up, so they would easily get spoiled, and then bored because they aren't given jobs or enough to do. I want a standard poodle 🐩 as my next dog. I'm going to wait for my 15 year old to pass over, I have a nearly year old LGD, she'll be 2 or 3 by then and ready to train in a new puppy. Then that'll likely be the last 2 large dogs of my lifetime. By then I'll be about 70, and it will be time to turn to little dogs that can't pull me off my feet.
Theyre really poorly bred too. The main consideration is looks, because they have to be the picture perfect suburban fluffy status dog. Its McMansion version of an american bully. No thought whatsoever given to temperament or character. It doesnt help that poorly bred poodles can be kind of neurotic, meanwhile poorly bred goldens are known to attack without classic warning/escalation signs. some Golden lines have serious and understated problem with people aggression that no one talks about. Veterinarians can probably back me up on this, I know a lot of people in veterinary practice and they have ALL been attacked by goldens, one nearly lost an eye. When you combine these tendencies you can get a storm of problems waiting to happen. Though this dog in particular doesnt look at all unstable or "aggressive" or neurotic. Just weirdly over-dominant. Rottweiler persona in a golden doodle body.
@@TheBurrito171 Really? I’ve never heard that about Goldens so that’s interesting. There are definitely good doodle breeders out there who don’t breed solely for money and focus on producing healthy dogs with good structure who are mentally balanced. Sadly, there are also terrible breeders and too many people are willing to buy from the bad ones because they have puppies available immediately or have the colors they want or whatever. It’s very frustrating.
@@ivyrose779 The golden issue has been oddly known but under discussed for a few decades now. Its thought to be an issue with some show lines and BYB exclusive "English cream". The issue with doodles is multi pronged. For one, they are usually sold based on a scam - the non shedding claims, which are just false; and the hypoallergenic claims, which cannot be properly verified in most poodle mixes without lab testing for each individual. Some doodle fanr retort with their solution : which is to breed more poodle-like doodles together until they've basically reverse engineered the poodle just to guarantee that the above traits will be reliably present (this is what ended up being the case with australian labradoodles). While not evil or criminal, or unethical, This is kind of just idiotic as poodles already exist. People who can think through this, AND who prioritize health and stability, are generally not drawn to poodle mixes because poodles already exist. So this basically just leaves people who get caught up in fads or who MUST have their merle chocolate DOOODLE, because poodles? ew lol. Even if there are some ethical doodle breeders out there, they dont have much of a niche outside of service work and people who irrationally hate poodles.
People need to remember yes goldendoodles are friendly poodles but at the same time they are also Golden retrievers which can turn aggressive and has a powerful bite force
I really like how you have no problem admitting that prince is being a bit bossy with his posture as well as the doodle and you adapt the methods accordingly.
Prince knows that dog won't back down. Dogs can read other dogs better than most people my one girl is the same way even when people think a dog is nice she will be on guard before we see the dogs true personality come out and sometimes takes a couple days to see the true temperament of a dog. Some dogs just have a great sense. Prince is special 💜
I have the same issue with my year old Goldendoodle as well (only he's neutered) and I completely related to the whole dominance thing not being captured on film. My doodle stiffens and does a low growl which most would miss but I found this video very insightful!
@@oui2826 Usually changes their behavior and makes them less aggressive because of their hormones being affected. Not saying I agree with doing it or anything but that seems to be one reason why people do it.
Amazing job Joel. Great handling, perfect perception of body language/energy of the dogs and what’s going on between them as well as how to handle it and help the dog. Bravo yet again
Life expectancy very low. would be better if the focus in breeding was less on appearance and more on health. It is incomprehensible anyway why he chose Dobermann if this capital of his company is expected to die early as the dog did before.
I had a super dominant goldendoodle. He was great with kids and people, but very dominant with other dogs-and not in a bad way. It's not a trait that people always expect with this type of dog. I've never had a dog who made me laugh, feel protected and loved as much as my Louie boy. He passed away in May at 12 years old. Jojo reminds me of a lot of Louie.
Thank you for this video! This I exactly what my doodle does when meeting other dogs. Perfect at home but very dominant when outside + with other dogs. Please do more videos with him!
The way Prince greets the doodle is the same way my mini schnauzer greets just about every dog. She's so serious and she has only made friends with a handful of dogs her whole life (she's 12 years old). She's never really gotten into a fight but she enforces her boundaries and doesn't take bullshit from anyone. She's been around HUNDREDS of dogs so it's definitely not undersocialization. She just doesn't like other dogs. Unless they're unneutered males, then she acts a bit goofy even though she's been spayed since she was 2
Maybe that is the breed. Same with my minischnauzer. She was dominant but not aggressive. First time any dog puts a paw on her she moved away with a growl. Second overt dominance move got barks and browl and hackles raised. Third try got a show of teeth and I stepped in before there was a scene. She was fine if she was left alone and respected. Never started anything. Fine with dogs that didn't challenge but must smelled and the left her alone.
I just love how you talk to people, like to the point but I feel you change it sometimes too, when you get certain vibes from dog owners, like you shouldn’t have to explain why Prince didn’t get the correction, but I understand why you did.. we can all see Prince is absolutely awesome at his job ⭐️
I love the “I say what I mean and mean what I say.” I’ve told both of my boys that since they were young and taught them to do the same. If not, kids, dogs, people won’t believe you next time.
Hi Joel, I have one dog out of my four dogs that acts the same way as the doodle did when my husky mix comes for a pet, glad to see I’m doing the right thing to correct such behavior, thanks to your videos. Keep up the good work.
Can't believe another video is out, I love it! Another great session showing stiffness and little body language that an amateur dog owner may not know how to read. Slow movements, stiffness, staring, silence, tail erect, veeery low growls, all signs that two dogs are not getting along in that moment. If Prince had got that close to you Joel (like he did late in the video) at the very beginning when they first met, I bet the GD would have snapped at Prince. But after a few corrections Prince was able to push his way between Joel and GD and get pretty close and the GD was fine, not perfect and happy, but he tolerated Prince being that close, already that was some progress and showed that timings and strong corrections have a big impact.
I mean...I dont know the dog and we havent seen him with other dogs, but from what I saw the dog was that serious in response to Prince, not the other way around.
Idk if it’s bc I’ve got a more dominant dog, but I felt all the vibes and posturing! The way Prince floated across the screen like earlier in the meet like, “I’m not feeling thIS MF daaad.”
That dog is going to be very dominant he's still very young what till he fully mature at 3 years old if they don't control it now. Props to them for getting help now while still young. Can definitely see the dominance in the video. I do have three in tact males so know what dominance looks like. Thank you for sharing.
Would love more of the doodle content, I have an Aussiedoodle and we've really struggled with this kind of behavior! Found your channel a little while ago and have been following your guidance, seems to be helping so far, but I know I still have a lot of learning to do!
@@BBBYpsi We have two double doodles who are very intelligent, well behaved, and well bred. They’re very healthy and stable animals as were their parents
@@BBBYpsi depends on how you raise them. Doodles are typically spoiled so I understand what your saying, but just like with pitbulls, chihuahuas and Rottweilers, you just need to train them and raise them right and not be soft on them 24/7
I have a neutered 1.5 year old goldendoodle and this is exactly how he is: postures, little lip curl, and specifically doesn’t care about getting a correction, just as this owner describes. Also the “it’s funny because this isn’t a goldendoodle thing” comment from the owner is exactly how I feel haha. I’d love to see more of this dog
Poodles can be kind of dominant. If they take after the Poodle mode (especially if they are F1b) doodles can be too. Even Golden retrievers can be dominant. Any dog can be there's just certain breeds that's more common in
I believe 100 percent that Doodle has had the run of his home. Prince standing tall is within his right as an older male, doodle needs to be around other strong males to comprehend what is expected of him regardless of the other dogs status (male unaltered etc), great job with that timely correction when prince glided passed that subtle growl, just after you after you praised them to lighten to tension. I'd say the doodle needs the human to omit more intent on the leash & in the home!
Prince didn’t like that dog’s vibe! We humans will never know why but dogs don’t lie! Prince’ been doing this job, I’ll go with his body language assessing the doodle 👊🏼
Great Stuff! Goldendoodle although great dogs, can be very stubborn and strong willed. I have 2 male 11 month, siblings Doodles 80lbs, and boy it's been a learning experience.
Love this! Our Goldendoodle is the same. You'd think they were twins! Is this something that is typical of male Goldendoodles? He likes to push himself between our knees to be pet and scratched. We don't know if that is a good thing or a bad thing. Thoughts? He's otherwise goofy and SUPER SMART! He knows his basic obedience skills like mad crazy well...until he doesn't want to do what you ask. He even tends to fight back on a correction and starts to get mouthy and bite non aggressively. Any one else having these issue with their Goldendoodle? He's a year old and getting ready to go back to his next level of board and train.
Couldn't disagree with you more. We didn't get the benefit of audio during first 3:45, so unable to detect growling by doodle. In the first 5 minutes, Prince postured his head over the back of Doodle at least 5 times in addition to constant stiffness, clearly seeking submission by doodle. Doodle, on the other hand, did not strike a single dominate posture. Doodle may be a bit naive to social signal by Prince to submit (no proclivity toward submissiveness), but he clearly was looking to play (probably likes to play with high energy and possibly get rough), not to escalate any turf "cold" war. Doodle did show signs of frustration that Prince was not willing to be playful. That's when the doodle first was barking out of frustration -- and even combined some play bow signaling. Doodle showed much greater restraint and respect to Prince's personal space than Prince to doodle. Doodle may have missed some early imprinting of social skills ... possibly lacking in early experiences with a nurturing mother and litter mates. Nevertheless, this is a dog that wants to play, not fight and not establish dominance as a means to an end. Neutering will have no effect on this doodle's behavior. Just my opinion given the limited visual data. This dog needs more experiences with dogs of similar playful energy combined with supervised guidance to teach play boundaries/etiquette. A playful mentor dog that also is able to define play/etiquette boundaries would be ideal, but a rare combination. That's why trainer supervision and guidance is necessary. This is your channel and I will quietly disappear from here if you find my comments distasteful.
Exactly. The doodle even tried to diffuse the situation in the beginning and evidently got more stiff and serious over time when its attemps failed. When the doodle did that growl/bark he was trapped between Joel and Prince. After being repeatedly ignored for his appeasement and diffusion attempts the doodle lashed out. And it lashed out exactly after the correction. Be it frustration or just over treshold with the added uncomfortableness from the correction which was imo unnecessary and unfair considering the doodle's space was repeatedly invaded in an intimidating way and nothing else was working. It doesn't matter whose house it is imo. You don't want your dog starting a fight with a dog that isn't doing anything no more than you want your dog growling at a dog that isn't doing anything. 🤷♀️
@@ina7084 Yes, I think you are referencing the growl/bark just after 4:39. I agree with you that the correction contributed as a tripwire to a release of built up frustration and confusion. The first time I watched, I thought the doodle was caught by surprise by the correction, which added to the reaction. Watching again, I don't think there was surprise. I think the doodle was put on edge by Prince's intimidation and the doodle was also fully aware of Joel's "ready position" (yes, dogs quickly discern this body language -- they may brace, they may oppose, they may submit -- but it is not a neutral communication), adding to the doodles kinetic state. Then, when Joel delivered the "pop", the doodle reacted in kind with a sharp "pop" release of pent up energy (a confused, "what did I do wrong!") rather than teaching the doodle a proactive coping behavior to resolve this misunderstood situation (Although I would have more likely put a leash on Prince and guided him, pre-emptively, from continued intimidation/posturing.) I'm not against corrections, but I think that instead of the ready position (escalating) followed by the "pop", a softer "let's go" followed by a light leash tap away from Prince (then praise) would better serve this doodle.
@@TPinesGold Exactly. And yes, that's the moment I'm referring to I'm not against corrections either, but I fully agree with you. But the doodle had the walk away response to get away from Prince intrinsically. Almost this whole video. Only with repeated space invasions from Prince did the doodle decide to change the approach. In this exact situation there’s not a lot that could've been done to teach the doodle because Prince would've just followed and did it again considering he was not on a lead nor shooed off. It was a really tricky situation and this dog was set up to fail. I could predict this would happen from the very beginning. Now the doodle has had a completely unnecessary bad experience with a dog at such a crucial time of its life. And bad experiences are hard to change perspective on. For some reason Prince seemed really Insecure this video. The trying to control another dog. Putting himself between the owner and the other dog. I understand Prince is his dog and he'd have a harder time having a clearer image due to his feelings towards him so I get why'd he miss so many clues. But this is quite concerning for the future of Prince.
Fully agree with your comment. I thought it was unfair advantage to be leashed and corrected while being dominated by a dog and the lead. Of course the dog would bark.
It’s amazing at dog training classes to watch the dogs and who they get on with, who my dog likes, who doesn’t like my dog. There is a border collie who hates my dog, she has a right lunge and growl at him, and there is another female dog she plays with, ultimate besties. If you just saw her with my dog, you would say she was “aggressive”, then you see her play with the other 🤷♀️. My dog does give off a ‘vibe’, that energy that you can’t see on the video, he has it. I do get nervous with it. Nice to see where I should put the correction in, that really helps.
This was a good example of a short haired dog (Prince) with a very clear STIFF body and what it looks like when that short haired dogs hair raises up on his back.
The doodle just wasn’t submitting. Prince was being too persistent on trying to show who’s the dominant one and the doodle got tired. Joel won’t admit prince is the cause of problems sometimes.
Yes, Joel, we would like to see more about 'dominance'; in particular, dominant behavior in 'protection breed' dogs. My friend's Malinois, 14-months, goes into barking 'fits' when he sees an unfamiliar person walking 50 yds away. My friend does the 'pop', walks the dog in a different direction, makes him sit, and the dog keeps turning his head back and barking and barking, and stands up facing back and barking and barking :( What to do ?
It sure is a difficult situation for the golden doodle. He is on the leash, he knows he can’t leave you, while Prince is clearly showing dominant behaviour and has all the freedom of movement that he wants. They are basically on the same level when it comes to dominance, but one is on the leash while the other is not. That’s not really a level playing field. I also have an unneutered male dog and I know how tense two of those can be when meeting each other.
I get that, but they are meeting JoJo for the first time, and I don't think that it would be wise for Joel to take JoJo off the leash just so they both can be on the same playing field. They are both exhibiting that dominance and I don't think that it would make much of a difference in JoJo's behavior. Prince has earned the privilege to roam free and JoJo has not and based on Joel's observation of the two he wants to avoid a potential fight.
But Prince can control himself. JoJo can't, so he's the one that needs to be controlled more. Meaning, he needs to learn how to meet another dominant and remain calm and restrained. If he were free that could lead to a fight.
GoldenDoodles are one of the most popular breeds in my area, a lot of the ones that come in for grooming are aggressive because of people who breed them for profit. They're like small dogs where the aggression isn't bred out like in most large breeds
Thats the golden retriever in them. Some golden lines and poorly bred goldens have really poor temperaments where they will be tense, and then bite you without further warning. I know a lot of people in veterinary practice and all have been bitten by goldens. Its not a favored breed among vet staff.
I think it’s a mixed between people often putting price, color, instant gratification, etc. in front of a balanced, healthy, and well dog and a lot of people who get doodles don’t know how to properly raise and train a dog.
Joel, can you explain what you mean by "and that would be a case for neutering" at around 4:09 ? What behavior do you expect to change? Im looking into neutering for my 1 year old doodle who has started showing aggression/dominance towards young intact males.
What's your take (or anyone's) on letting the GDoodle off leash when what looks like a play stance is presented (2:25 for example)? My experience with Poodle mixes has not been positive and that dog personality might be an issue mixed with a serious demeanor like Prince has.
I agree that the body language was probably too subtle for me to see, mostly. Aside from some growls, that doodle looked nonthreatening with the happy-looking tail wag and somewhat loose comportment? But maybe a little awkward. Is it the merry doodle look and curls that made that deceptive for me? Glad you are working that. The two doodles I know are both socially awkward in their ways, and I think their owners and other people forgive too much because they have a merry "look".
Am one of many who agree with Joel’s approach, this has always been what worked for me with all our dogs. We see it much like raising up kids in fact, to teach respect and punishment free. He corrects dogs with authority, and without calling them “bad dog.” He explains it well as he goes. On the farm it was easier to raise up a good dog, we let them run free much of the time after they learned the basics and got plenty of exercise. We made sure they knew we were in charge and they were never allowed to be hyper or to growl at visitors to the farm. Of the many breeds to choose from, that’s why we have ruled out the Akita. Owners have told me this is a very strong tendency, maybe too strong in fact. No offensive meant to Akita owners. They are a great and very protective breed. If we were on the farm, probably would consider one but only if we could make sure on a few things. Our various other breeds and mixed breed dogs still protected the farm home. Super friendly, our big bird dog stopped an intruder from coming in one night, she took the guy on even though she got severely injured by the bad guy. Joel Beckman has far more talent and experience than most anyone we know. He shares it so well. We learn a lot from this nice guy. And we share his videos very interesting and share this short video with our dog lovin’ friends.
This is what I need for my guys. My American bully is chill, he get along with most dogs, is pretty submissive to other male dogs, EXCEPT my bull terrier, and my bull terrier has a hard time with most dogs but ive also only had him in my house for a few months. BT does well with our female dog, she is dominant over him, and that took a small scrap in the yard for them to figure that out. My my boys both growl at each other in some meetings, and will wag tails and sniff in others. I just don't have any one to help me. Short of tying one to the deck and me holding the other, and I'm not sure if that would be the right solution.
This would be a cool case for Joel to take on. Bull terriers can be very hardy dogs when it comes to other dogs. A "bit" much attitude, wich can feel a little threatening for some dogs. Im not saying all are like that thoe😅
Interesting video. I agree with you that some dogs have a vibe that other dogs do not like and I think this dog has this, plus he is a teenager. However, Prince challenged him many times. High tail, stiff body, stands close and with his head over his back. A bit like he wants to trigger him.
I agree with you. The dog seemed somewhat friendly at the beginning (even if standoffish) then Prince started invading his space and challenging him. He was in pursuit basically. Constant. The dog got more nervous and stiff over time. After the correction for the growl he started snarling and really disliking Prince I feel in this video Prince is mainly at fault. It doesn't matter whose house it is imo. You simply do not harass other dogs like that when the owner is there. You wouldn't allow your dog to growl at a dog that isn't doing anything then why allow him to try and start a fight repeatedly albeit subtly. I feel like this dog would possibly get along with a dog other than prince quite well.
@@ina7084 Yes, I agree. Curious of Joel's take. He definitely has pointed out partial (half) play bows in prior videos . The next video will be interesting .
@@ina7084 what’s your thoughts on a dog who displays intermediate dominance on one meetings of other dogs by growling ( on a lose leash). Like the doodle , yet is amazing in pack of 20 dogs ??? 🤔
My golden doodle was never neutered and could never be bothered with any other dog. She just ignored other dogs and they stayed away too. Rarely came into heat
With the GD’s fur and not being there it’s tough to really tell how he responded. On the 1st interaction it seemed quite positive from the GD, Prince was being dominant. He came up on the doodle once and he didn’t submit or care. Then he did it a 2nd time n then you can clearly see the doodle going wtf. No, Prince didn’t growl, he definitely escalated the situation tho. My dog loves to do the same thing w/other large young males unfortunately
Joel, I have two questions! Would you be willing to do a talking video where you discuss behaviors that indicate dominance? I have trouble explaining that dominance does equate to aggression and I feel that dominant behaviors can be so nuanced and are easily overlooked. Also, I was wondering if you had any stories about corrections that you’ve made in the moment and later realized you would have handled differently? As someone with little experience in the dog training world, sometimes I notice mistakes I’ve made and then panic that I’ve “ruined my dog” to whatever the situation was. I was hoping you’d be able to shed some light on the process of making mistakes in training?
czcams.com/video/l6diiXmhAEM/video.html You might find this video by Joel interesting Nicole as he talks about dominance theory in relation to training quite a bit in it 💛
I have a spayed female doodle mix who is a month or two older and she is just like this guy. She seems to be more dominant than our male unfixed doberman.
Hey Joel, my year old husky is good with other dogs but always scares them because he rushes up to them. I’ve rehearsed your leash walking method but don’t have the resources to practice with other dogs on walks so he runs up to them every time I let him meet. How can I stop him rushing up?
I’ve starting having reactivity and dominance after my year and 4 moths old was neutered (at 11 months). Before that he had no issues with any dogs. When he reacts and I correct him he gets so aggressive and tries to bite even me. It’s a bit random cause he reacts to many dogs, but not all. How to correct or what to do in such a situation?
The Goldendoodle is fluffy and cute! … I like your approach so far and seriously I don’t get it why Reddit doesn’t allow the mention of you or your channel
Joel, Please can you do a video on neutering? I noticed you mentioned it to these owners because he's coming up to a year old? But Prince isn't neutered, right? Would be interested in your take on the neutering stuff. Thanks!
He has talked several times about neutering, his opinion vs others etc... In this case, based on his past statements on his beliefs, he is telling them to do it now, because he is a dominant dog, showing aggression and thinks that'll get worse as he gets older. Testosterone can exacerbate the issue... If the dog didn't have any behavioral issue that was unacceptable & the owner felt they can take the annoyances of an unneutered dog... He wouldn't say anything.
@@jameschild1321 Thank you. That makes perfect sense. I couldn't find any specific videos when I searched but maybe I'm being blind, I'd be so grateful of any links to videos I might have missed?
My 2yr S.Poodle (spayed) seems fine with other dogs, but if they growl at her, she launches into a fight. Is this dominance? can you suggest what I should do?
Prince did not like you being with that Goldendoodle. He kept going up to the Goldendoodle and saying, "That's my Dad." lol Goldendoodles I've seen have mostly been crazy. They love to jump on people and have tons of energy. I think a lot of people get them expecting one thing and get another (not talking about this owner, just in general). Smart + Hyper = Destruction
One time at the vet there was this big scary looking dog (could be a cane carso or pit-type) and this golden doodle came that was super out of control and was literally attacking everyone who was at the vet and kept lunging at the big dog several times, the dog kept getting pissed too but luckily it didn't fight back. Never seen that before and pretty sure its a mental goldendoodle or maybe rabbied
Prince passes close by the other dog demonstrating “this is my house, my workspace; I go where I want.” A little bit trying to instigate a response? Perhaps. But Prince wasn’t being a jerk or growling at the guest dog. They just didn’t have a good chemistry.
Poodles stand tall and proud and normally have a high tail when happy. This poodle behavior can set other dogs off. Poodle can be just happy. However, As a year old, being "too happy" especially when big, it is normal for Prince to tell the youngster off.
One of our intact male dogs has issues with SOME intact males, but far from all! He is bossy dominant and fearless I’m afraid, so only off leash in certain areas, otherwise long line. The fact that there are some dogs he does not like is just as simple as a person not loving all others they meet. It’s okay. For health reasons he will stay intact. Our other intact male dog is more laid back, a little more chill, and does not ever showed bossiness, dominance or posturing to any other dog. When off leash and we meet other dogs, he comes running back to me right away. 😅
I saw Prince be under the radar provocative when Joel was holding the Goldendoodle close and Prince walked nonchalantly between Joel and the Goldendoodle--TWICE. He was telling the Doodle who's the Big Man and who isn't. lol . QUESTION: is a dog "leash reactive" if she rushes at other dogs whether on or off leash? I don't think I really understand what leash reactive means.
I've been working in the pet industry for over 10yrs, tbh I've never seen one well behaved Doodle. I'd say near every single one of them jumps on ppl. They all seem hypervigilant and can't calm down, however I've yet to see one react negatively to other dogs. Also I find that most ppl who attain this dog because they believe it's "hypoallergenic" and they have never had a dog their whole life because they are allergic to dogs. You can probably see what I'm getting at. I do recommend reading the article by the man who was actually breeding the two dogs together (Retriever & Poodle) in an attempt to produce a hypoallergenic dog, how many breedings it took to actually produce one that could be used as a service dog for an allergy client and how he regrets even doing so because of the craze it created and how "breeders" falsely claim these Golden doodles are hypoallergenic.
It is worth a read! I totally agree it started a stupid trend of mashing two different dogs together (not always with a poodle now days) giving them a cutsey mashed up name and selling them as if they aren't a cross bread, there is nothing wrong with a cross bread dog so just call it what it is!! No labskies, puggles and bernadoodles!! As for the poodle crosses I think you are right with a lot of them having first time owners , I don't think they are aggressive or dominant by nature however the majority are terribly behaved, poor mannered dogs (not all). I have a German Shepheard and if she did to poodle x dogs, what they have done to her they would have some major issues with her, but she doesn't have curly hair so wouldn't get away with it.
He actually paired a lab and poodle together in an attempt to make hypoallergenic service dogs. But, he didn’t put much thought into the breeding outside of creating a hypoallergenic dog. There are many good doodle breeders who focus on producing dogs who are both physically and mentally healthy. Doodles, like any other breed or mixed breed, are usually great dogs if raised well. Because they can be such great family dogs and tend to not shed as much, they have become very popular and a lot people get them without knowing how to properly raise and train a dog no matter what breed it is. High strung with behavioral problems is exactly what you can expect with a high energy dog who is untrained and not exercised enough. I feel like doodles are often criticized unfairly for things that are the owners doing.
@@ivyrose779 Yes it was a Labrador Retriever, not sure why I typed Golden originally. This is the exact thing I was getting at in my comment, many of these dogs are attained by ppl who have never had dogs growing up and now this fad of a "hypoallergenic" dog comes around means they can finally have a dog. No experience, no basic compression of dog behavior, excersise requirements, proper nutrition education. This is why so many of them seem off the rails.
Poodle mixes are hard. AKC ranks a Poodle's watchdog/protective nature at the highest level, same as German Shepherds. Also needing mental stimulation at the highest level. They aren't necessarily all cute and cuddly. I have a Cavapoo (King Charles Cavalier and poodle mix) adopted her at 9 months because she was a bad fit for her original family. She is very smart, very high energy, and very protective. I love her dearly and she is so loyal and loving to me. It's been a lot of work breaking bad habits and creating good habits, and still have a ways to go. I grew up with a dog, my neighbor had mini poodles that I interacted with all my life, and I'm at a place in my life where I can devote all my attention to her, and she is still hard. Poodles and Poodle mixes are not for everyone, and yet so many breeders say they are even natured and just a great dog for the whole family. Not true! Even though she is 3/4 poodle. She still only has wavy hair. Most people don't think she is a poodle at all. She is almost no shedding. But still a tiny bit. It's random the type of coat a dog will get.
I definitely think in this case you as the trainer may be expecting that prince is going to dominate every dog he comes across at the same time not exactly but, Like you said in your video. At 2:30 “I’m not going to blame prince because prince has to do what prince has to do because he has a job”. And at the same time the growls your talking about may be coming from the fact that the doodle still needs a bit more guidance however him being pulled around by you on a leash and having a leash around his snout in a “ dominant/ insecure situation you may be making him feel like a growl is all he can use to fend for himself and stand his own ground. If you watch closely every single time prince came up to him, prince would not back away a single inch therefore he is also being a bit of bully on his end here in this video just watch at 4:40 when prince walks up to him. You’ll see what I mean by maybe it’s because you have the doodle on a leash that the growl is his only defense at the moment. The “ badness here is not equal at all they are both dominant dogs and if you see the doodle is actually very respectful with your commands and your leash leading in every way however you can’t have a dog like prince with a very strong firm stance stand up on him and expect the other dog to just give in. This is a dominant on dominant situation and both dogs actually did pretty good here the growls I feel are of very little concern just because it’s not his home doesn’t mean he shall not stand his ground when your Doberman is coming at him with a big demeanor. The growl repeats again at 7:45 but it’s like your wanting a dominant dog to dumb down. Here in this situation I think it’s best to know that the doodle is actually just like prince in the dominant stance and that is what should be trained more than trying to make the doodle dumb down to the Doberman. If you watch the doodle is actually of happy energy even when approached by your Doberman which shows his character is actually not aggressive but just unsure. What the owners said at 8:50 “it’s funny cause it’s in a golden doodle, big and fluffy” the history of poodles is incredible they were actually bred as hunting/ retrieving dogs and heavy working dogs who require a job and a lot of exercise. And also big respects to you as a trainer what you said at 10:00 about why you didn’t leave the doodle off leash is also correct their may have been a fight but at the same time you say I also don’t think in this situation it’s fair to let the doodle get bossss around by prince because he’s also being relaxed at the same time. This was a great video I really enjoyed it and hope to hear your feedback even though you posted this video a few years back. You definitely know what your doing and I do believe out of class training and more one on one with this dog would help him become a great leader in the dog world. Some dogs are leaders others are followers. It’s how the pack works. ❤
Honest question. If he is a young dog who simply just won't put up with another dog bossing him around, and you find that respectable; is that necessarily bad?
I think that stand off when Jojo barked was actually a correction by Prince without having to do anything, when jojoba barked that was him saying "OK dude you're the boss" the next time Prince walled up to him he wagged his tail, I think Prince has almost all the dogs sussed out from behind the fence before the close up meet, that's my take on it anyway, both gorgeous dogs with good temperaments in their own right.
I'm confused on the "it's his house" concept as to why Prince gets more of a pass for his posturing. What's the thinking behind this? Does the other dog know it's Prince's house? And what does that matter?
I think it means "arousal", which could or could not lead to aggression or reactivity. I think it's a piece of the puzzle not necessarily "aggressive" on its own. Joel, correct me if I am wrong!
Ok, so we're about to get our just-over-one year-old boy nuetered, and I can absolutely confirm what you say here, Joel. Our boy had a 'bestie' on the field who he loved to play with. They played so nicely, then one day last week suddenly he didn't want to play. Guess what? He sniffed out a female, ran to her and the owner had to pull him off. He also gets 'snarly' with other intact males. It's the right thing to do 😏
I like your comment. Our Beaumont no longer has a bestie because of the same reason (only his bestie's owner chose to euthanize because their dog started being severely aggressive with their children. I will never judge their decision because I do not live in their world.) But in a perfect world, none of us would make the decision to neuter but as it is and as we are living with the results of simple 'nature' or uneducated and uncaring, greedy breeders, we are doing right by our dogs and trying to keep them and people safe. If you can train the dominance an aggression out, great, but if that is not possible, we do what we have to do. We too our facing the same decision to neuter and have stopped the surgery before simply because his growth plates weren't closed and he wasn't mature enough to have it done. But once we have tried all training options and he is mature enough, we will do what is right for the dog and for our family and those that come in contact with our dog. (He's 16 months old now.) He is very well trained and very well behaved, other than typical puppy stuff. I appreciate your honesty and enjoy your posts.
@@busterandnonna5214 thank-you. Sad to hear about your dog's friend. We have spoken with many other owners and actually had only one advise against nuetering, and he admitted that the first 3 years of his dog's life were hell for them both. Nuff said. 😐
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Looks like to me Prince was resource-guarding you----the way he kept walking in between you & JoJo. Maybe it was JoJo's size that put Prince kinda on edge?
There is a reason why pretty much 99% of daycare/boarding facilities do not allow a non fixed dog into the yard to romp with the pack. The dog is definitely dominant and it could potentially get worse. He also has a bit of anxiety. Those two together are hard to deal with.
Golden Doodles so cute so people don't see them as anything but a big stuffed toy. They get spoiled rotten as pups and then the owners get blind sided by the dog that is under all of that fluff. I can't tell you how many spoiled rotten doodles I have had come to my classes. And most were out of control and bored and desperate for direction and structure.
I can see that happening. Standard poodles are some of the smartest dogs on the planet, and the labs don't dumb them down, just cute them up, so they would easily get spoiled, and then bored because they aren't given jobs or enough to do. I want a standard poodle 🐩 as my next dog. I'm going to wait for my 15 year old to pass over, I have a nearly year old LGD, she'll be 2 or 3 by then and ready to train in a new puppy. Then that'll likely be the last 2 large dogs of my lifetime. By then I'll be about 70, and it will be time to turn to little dogs that can't pull me off my feet.
Theyre really poorly bred too. The main consideration is looks, because they have to be the picture perfect suburban fluffy status dog. Its McMansion version of an american bully. No thought whatsoever given to temperament or character. It doesnt help that poorly bred poodles can be kind of neurotic, meanwhile poorly bred goldens are known to attack without classic warning/escalation signs. some Golden lines have serious and understated problem with people aggression that no one talks about. Veterinarians can probably back me up on this, I know a lot of people in veterinary practice and they have ALL been attacked by goldens, one nearly lost an eye. When you combine these tendencies you can get a storm of problems waiting to happen.
Though this dog in particular doesnt look at all unstable or "aggressive" or neurotic. Just weirdly over-dominant. Rottweiler persona in a golden doodle body.
@@TheBurrito171 Really? I’ve never heard that about Goldens so that’s interesting. There are definitely good doodle breeders out there who don’t breed solely for money and focus on producing healthy dogs with good structure who are mentally balanced. Sadly, there are also terrible breeders and too many people are willing to buy from the bad ones because they have puppies available immediately or have the colors they want or whatever. It’s very frustrating.
@@ivyrose779 The golden issue has been oddly known but under discussed for a few decades now. Its thought to be an issue with some show lines and BYB exclusive "English cream".
The issue with doodles is multi pronged. For one, they are usually sold based on a scam - the non shedding claims, which are just false; and the hypoallergenic claims, which cannot be properly verified in most poodle mixes without lab testing for each individual.
Some doodle fanr retort with their solution : which is to breed more poodle-like doodles together until they've basically reverse engineered the poodle just to guarantee that the above traits will be reliably present (this is what ended up being the case with australian labradoodles). While not evil or criminal, or unethical, This is kind of just idiotic as poodles already exist.
People who can think through this, AND who prioritize health and stability, are generally not drawn to poodle mixes because poodles already exist.
So this basically just leaves people who get caught up in fads or who MUST have their merle chocolate DOOODLE, because poodles? ew lol.
Even if there are some ethical doodle breeders out there, they dont have much of a niche outside of service work and people who irrationally hate poodles.
People need to remember yes goldendoodles are friendly poodles but at the same time they are also Golden retrievers which can turn aggressive and has a powerful bite force
I really like how you have no problem admitting that prince is being a bit bossy with his posture as well as the doodle and you adapt the methods accordingly.
4:43. Absolutely perfect timing on Joel's behalf for correction.
Prince knows that dog won't back down. Dogs can read other dogs better than most people my one girl is the same way even when people think a dog is nice she will be on guard before we see the dogs true personality come out and sometimes takes a couple days to see the true temperament of a dog. Some dogs just have a great sense. Prince is special 💜
I have the same issue with my year old Goldendoodle as well (only he's neutered) and I completely related to the whole dominance thing not being captured on film. My doodle stiffens and does a low growl which most would miss but I found this video very insightful!
There are chest growls and then throat growls. Chest growls are quite but are stage one of building up to something more.
Why would you have him neutered? 🙄
@@oui2826 Neutering is epidemic in the USA
@@MB-lf8rm but why? What's the point
@@oui2826 Usually changes their behavior and makes them less aggressive because of their hormones being affected. Not saying I agree with doing it or anything but that seems to be one reason why people do it.
Prince is thrown off by the neurotic doodle vibe. I've encountered some weird doodles that other stable dogs seem not to like.
Golden doodles look nice but aren’t to be messed with 😂🤷♂️
Amazing job Joel. Great handling, perfect perception of body language/energy of the dogs and what’s going on between them as well as how to handle it and help the dog. Bravo yet again
Prince is an amazing looking Dobie. That coat shine is wild
Life expectancy very low. would be better if the focus in breeding was less on appearance and more on health. It is incomprehensible anyway why he chose Dobermann if this capital of his company is expected to die early as the dog did before.
@@freshasadaisy4782 What happened to his previous Doberman?
Raw fed coat shine
@@freshasadaisy4782 why would he want his dog to die earlier? dobermans are amazing creatures extremely beautiful and intelligent
it's just nutrition
This is why I LOVE this channel! Joel shares so much if the import, relevant stuff.
The energy with the meetings really is insanely intense
Brilliant video, this kind of content is brilliant.
I had a super dominant goldendoodle. He was great with kids and people, but very dominant with other dogs-and not in a bad way. It's not a trait that people always expect with this type of dog. I've never had a dog who made me laugh, feel protected and loved as much as my Louie boy. He passed away in May at 12 years old.
Jojo reminds me of a lot of Louie.
I have the same dog.
Thank you for this video! This I exactly what my doodle does when meeting other dogs. Perfect at home but very dominant when outside + with other dogs. Please do more videos with him!
The way Prince greets the doodle is the same way my mini schnauzer greets just about every dog. She's so serious and she has only made friends with a handful of dogs her whole life (she's 12 years old). She's never really gotten into a fight but she enforces her boundaries and doesn't take bullshit from anyone. She's been around HUNDREDS of dogs so it's definitely not undersocialization. She just doesn't like other dogs. Unless they're unneutered males, then she acts a bit goofy even though she's been spayed since she was 2
Maybe that is the breed. Same with my minischnauzer. She was dominant but not aggressive. First time any dog puts a paw on her she moved away with a growl. Second overt dominance move got barks and browl and hackles raised. Third try got a show of teeth and I stepped in before there was a scene. She was fine if she was left alone and respected. Never started anything. Fine with dogs that didn't challenge but must smelled and the left her alone.
@@helengarrett6378 They are terriers which are persistent dogs and hardly back down
Definitely want to see more of this session
I just love how you talk to people, like to the point but I feel you change it sometimes too, when you get certain vibes from dog owners, like you shouldn’t have to explain why Prince didn’t get the correction, but I understand why you did.. we can all see Prince is absolutely awesome at his job ⭐️
I love the “I say what I mean and mean what I say.” I’ve told both of my boys that since they were young and taught them to do the same. If not, kids, dogs, people won’t believe you next time.
Hi Joel, I have one dog out of my four dogs that acts the same way as the doodle did when my husky mix comes for a pet, glad to see I’m doing the right thing to correct such behavior, thanks to your videos. Keep up the good work.
Can't believe another video is out, I love it! Another great session showing stiffness and little body language that an amateur dog owner may not know how to read. Slow movements, stiffness, staring, silence, tail erect, veeery low growls, all signs that two dogs are not getting along in that moment. If Prince had got that close to you Joel (like he did late in the video) at the very beginning when they first met, I bet the GD would have snapped at Prince. But after a few corrections Prince was able to push his way between Joel and GD and get pretty close and the GD was fine, not perfect and happy, but he tolerated Prince being that close, already that was some progress and showed that timings and strong corrections have a big impact.
Learning a lot from your videos on dominance. My dog is one of those. Might need to drive down for a session.
I think they were both equally dominant. Aside from the growls the doodle looked fine to me.
Agreed, I don't think he was bad at all
Great video.
I mean...I dont know the dog and we havent seen him with other dogs, but from what I saw the dog was that serious in response to Prince, not the other way around.
8:43 I think Prince wants a little attention too haha 😂
Love the dominance video more please! Also wondering if you have any tips about how to pick a puppy from a litter to get a Prince or Bosco?
Idk if it’s bc I’ve got a more dominant dog, but I felt all the vibes and posturing!
The way Prince floated across the screen like earlier in the meet like, “I’m not feeling thIS MF daaad.”
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That dog is going to be very dominant he's still very young what till he fully mature at 3 years old if they don't control it now. Props to them for getting help now while still young. Can definitely see the dominance in the video. I do have three in tact males so know what dominance looks like. Thank you for sharing.
Would love more of the doodle content, I have an Aussiedoodle and we've really struggled with this kind of behavior! Found your channel a little while ago and have been following your guidance, seems to be helping so far, but I know I still have a lot of learning to do!
I really don't understand why people are mixing everything with the poodle they poodle a designer breed that is not a good mentally stable dog.
@@BBBYpsi exactly, it's sad.
@@BBBYpsi We have two double doodles who are very intelligent, well behaved, and well bred. They’re very healthy and stable animals as were their parents
@@kayleemarie1901 Most are not that is the point
@@BBBYpsi depends on how you raise them. Doodles are typically spoiled so I understand what your saying, but just like with pitbulls, chihuahuas and Rottweilers, you just need to train them and raise them right and not be soft on them 24/7
I have a neutered 1.5 year old goldendoodle and this is exactly how he is: postures, little lip curl, and specifically doesn’t care about getting a correction, just as this owner describes. Also the “it’s funny because this isn’t a goldendoodle thing” comment from the owner is exactly how I feel haha. I’d love to see more of this dog
Poodles can be kind of dominant. If they take after the Poodle mode (especially if they are F1b) doodles can be too. Even Golden retrievers can be dominant. Any dog can be there's just certain breeds that's more common in
Such a big cutie. Doodles are the best.
Folks Joel is the best. Not only is he doing what he’s God-given born to do, to teach at the high level but he makes it easy to understand. He CARES.
When anyone says “every golden doodle is an angel” show them this video lol
I believe 100 percent that Doodle has had the run of his home. Prince standing tall is within his right as an older male, doodle needs to be around other strong males to comprehend what is expected of him regardless of the other dogs status (male unaltered etc), great job with that timely correction when prince glided passed that subtle growl, just after you after you praised them to lighten to tension. I'd say the doodle needs the human to omit more intent on the leash & in the home!
Doodles have the run of most homes. They are the masters of WHAT'S UP.
Prince didn’t like that dog’s vibe! We humans will never know why but dogs don’t lie! Prince’ been doing this job, I’ll go with his body language assessing the doodle 👊🏼
Great Stuff! Goldendoodle although great dogs, can be very stubborn and strong willed. I have 2 male 11 month, siblings Doodles 80lbs, and boy it's been a learning experience.
Love this! Our Goldendoodle is the same. You'd think they were twins! Is this something that is typical of male Goldendoodles? He likes to push himself between our knees to be pet and scratched. We don't know if that is a good thing or a bad thing. Thoughts? He's otherwise goofy and SUPER SMART! He knows his basic obedience skills like mad crazy well...until he doesn't want to do what you ask. He even tends to fight back on a correction and starts to get mouthy and bite non aggressively. Any one else having these issue with their Goldendoodle? He's a year old and getting ready to go back to his next level of board and train.
A vibe...
its always good to see the snout leash in practice although it might have to do with it too
Couldn't disagree with you more. We didn't get the benefit of audio during first 3:45, so unable to detect growling by doodle. In the first 5 minutes, Prince postured his head over the back of Doodle at least 5 times in addition to constant stiffness, clearly seeking submission by doodle. Doodle, on the other hand, did not strike a single dominate posture. Doodle may be a bit naive to social signal by Prince to submit (no proclivity toward submissiveness), but he clearly was looking to play (probably likes to play with high energy and possibly get rough), not to escalate any turf "cold" war. Doodle did show signs of frustration that Prince was not willing to be playful. That's when the doodle first was barking out of frustration -- and even combined some play bow signaling.
Doodle showed much greater restraint and respect to Prince's personal space than Prince to doodle. Doodle may have missed some early imprinting of social skills ... possibly lacking in early experiences with a nurturing mother and litter mates. Nevertheless, this is a dog that wants to play, not fight and not establish dominance as a means to an end. Neutering will have no effect on this doodle's behavior. Just my opinion given the limited visual data. This dog needs more experiences with dogs of similar playful energy combined with supervised guidance to teach play boundaries/etiquette. A playful mentor dog that also is able to define play/etiquette boundaries would be ideal, but a rare combination. That's why trainer supervision and guidance is necessary. This is your channel and I will quietly disappear from here if you find my comments distasteful.
Exactly.
The doodle even tried to diffuse the situation in the beginning and evidently got more stiff and serious over time when its attemps failed.
When the doodle did that growl/bark he was trapped between Joel and Prince.
After being repeatedly ignored for his appeasement and diffusion attempts the doodle lashed out. And it lashed out exactly after the correction.
Be it frustration or just over treshold with the added uncomfortableness from the correction which was imo unnecessary and unfair considering the doodle's space was repeatedly invaded in an intimidating way and nothing else was working.
It doesn't matter whose house it is imo.
You don't want your dog starting a fight with a dog that isn't doing anything no more than you want your dog growling at a dog that isn't doing anything.
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@@ina7084 Yes, I think you are referencing the growl/bark just after 4:39. I agree with you that the correction contributed as a tripwire to a release of built up frustration and confusion. The first time I watched, I thought the doodle was caught by surprise by the correction, which added to the reaction. Watching again, I don't think there was surprise. I think the doodle was put on edge by Prince's intimidation and the doodle was also fully aware of Joel's "ready position" (yes, dogs quickly discern this body language -- they may brace, they may oppose, they may submit -- but it is not a neutral communication), adding to the doodles kinetic state. Then, when Joel delivered the "pop", the doodle reacted in kind with a sharp "pop" release of pent up energy (a confused, "what did I do wrong!") rather than teaching the doodle a proactive coping behavior to resolve this misunderstood situation (Although I would have more likely put a leash on Prince and guided him, pre-emptively, from continued intimidation/posturing.) I'm not against corrections, but I think that instead of the ready position (escalating) followed by the "pop", a softer "let's go" followed by a light leash tap away from Prince (then praise) would better serve this doodle.
@@TPinesGold
Exactly. And yes, that's the moment I'm referring to
I'm not against corrections either, but I fully agree with you.
But the doodle had the walk away response to get away from Prince intrinsically. Almost this whole video.
Only with repeated space invasions from Prince did the doodle decide to change the approach.
In this exact situation there’s not a lot that could've been done to teach the doodle because Prince would've just followed and did it again considering he was not on a lead nor shooed off.
It was a really tricky situation and this dog was set up to fail. I could predict this would happen from the very beginning.
Now the doodle has had a completely unnecessary bad experience with a dog at such a crucial time of its life. And bad experiences are hard to change perspective on.
For some reason Prince seemed really Insecure this video. The trying to control another dog. Putting himself between the owner and the other dog.
I understand Prince is his dog and he'd have a harder time having a clearer image due to his feelings towards him so I get why'd he miss so many clues.
But this is quite concerning for the future of Prince.
Fully agree with your comment. I thought it was unfair advantage to be leashed and corrected while being dominated by a dog and the lead. Of course the dog would bark.
It’s amazing at dog training classes to watch the dogs and who they get on with, who my dog likes, who doesn’t like my dog. There is a border collie who hates my dog, she has a right lunge and growl at him, and there is another female dog she plays with, ultimate besties. If you just saw her with my dog, you would say she was “aggressive”, then you see her play with the other 🤷♀️. My dog does give off a ‘vibe’, that energy that you can’t see on the video, he has it. I do get nervous with it. Nice to see where I should put the correction in, that really helps.
It's very easy to see how dog's show their preferences and dislikes to other dogs just like we humans do. Thanks for your comment, I appreciate it.
This was a good example of a short haired dog (Prince) with a very clear STIFF body and what it looks like when that short haired dogs hair raises up on his back.
I love golden doodles and I also about to get 1 tooo❤️
The doodle just wasn’t submitting. Prince was being too persistent on trying to show who’s the dominant one and the doodle got tired. Joel won’t admit prince is the cause of problems sometimes.
Yes, Joel, we would like to see more about 'dominance'; in particular, dominant behavior in 'protection breed' dogs. My friend's Malinois, 14-months, goes into barking 'fits' when he sees an unfamiliar person walking 50 yds away. My friend does the 'pop', walks the dog in a different direction, makes him sit, and the dog keeps turning his head back and barking and barking, and stands up facing back and barking and barking :( What to do ?
It sure is a difficult situation for the golden doodle. He is on the leash, he knows he can’t leave you, while Prince is clearly showing dominant behaviour and has all the freedom of movement that he wants. They are basically on the same level when it comes to dominance, but one is on the leash while the other is not. That’s not really a level playing field.
I also have an unneutered male dog and I know how tense two of those can be when meeting each other.
I get that, but they are meeting JoJo for the first time, and I don't think that it would be wise for Joel to take JoJo off the leash just so they both can be on the same playing field. They are both exhibiting that dominance and I don't think that it would make much of a difference in JoJo's behavior. Prince has earned the privilege to roam free and JoJo has not and based on Joel's observation of the two he wants to avoid a potential fight.
But Prince can control himself. JoJo can't, so he's the one that needs to be controlled more. Meaning, he needs to learn how to meet another dominant and remain calm and restrained. If he were free that could lead to a fight.
Dogs know what the natural balance of things in being respectful of each other’s space! People need understand dog behavior better and help the dogs!
GoldenDoodles are one of the most popular breeds in my area, a lot of the ones that come in for grooming are aggressive because of people who breed them for profit. They're like small dogs where the aggression isn't bred out like in most large breeds
Thats the golden retriever in them. Some golden lines and poorly bred goldens have really poor temperaments where they will be tense, and then bite you without further warning. I know a lot of people in veterinary practice and all have been bitten by goldens. Its not a favored breed among vet staff.
I think it’s a mixed between people often putting price, color, instant gratification, etc. in front of a balanced, healthy, and well dog and a lot of people who get doodles don’t know how to properly raise and train a dog.
You're fucking up that doodle
Joel, can you explain what you mean by "and that would be a case for neutering" at around 4:09 ? What behavior do you expect to change? Im looking into neutering for my 1 year old doodle who has started showing aggression/dominance towards young intact males.
Yep your right on point. And the growth plates are closed. All about those hanging testicles that can bring that out
What's your take (or anyone's) on letting the GDoodle off leash when what looks like a play stance is presented (2:25 for example)? My experience with Poodle mixes has not been positive and that dog personality might be an issue mixed with a serious demeanor like Prince has.
I agree that the body language was probably too subtle for me to see, mostly. Aside from some growls, that doodle looked nonthreatening with the happy-looking tail wag and somewhat loose comportment? But maybe a little awkward. Is it the merry doodle look and curls that made that deceptive for me? Glad you are working that. The two doodles I know are both socially awkward in their ways, and I think their owners and other people forgive too much because they have a merry "look".
Am one of many who agree with Joel’s approach, this has always been what worked for me with all our dogs. We see it much like raising up kids in fact, to teach respect and punishment free. He corrects dogs with authority, and without calling them “bad dog.” He explains it well as he goes.
On the farm it was easier to raise up a good dog, we let them run free much of the time after they learned the basics and got plenty of exercise. We made sure they knew we were in charge and they were never allowed to be hyper or to growl at visitors to the farm.
Of the many breeds to choose from, that’s why we have ruled out the Akita. Owners have told me this is a very strong tendency, maybe too strong in fact. No offensive meant to Akita owners. They are a great and very protective breed. If we were on the farm, probably would consider one but only if we could make sure on a few things.
Our various other breeds and mixed breed dogs still protected the farm home.
Super friendly, our big bird dog stopped an intruder from coming in one night, she took the guy on even though she got severely injured by the bad guy.
Joel Beckman has far more talent and experience than most anyone we know.
He shares it so well. We learn a lot from this nice guy. And we share his videos very interesting and share this short video with our dog lovin’ friends.
Not my taste in breeds but JOJO is a really good boy. I like how attentive he is to Joel.
Seems like the doodle was more calm and since prince was so stiff he could have given a bad vibe.
This is what I need for my guys. My American bully is chill, he get along with most dogs, is pretty submissive to other male dogs, EXCEPT my bull terrier, and my bull terrier has a hard time with most dogs but ive also only had him in my house for a few months. BT does well with our female dog, she is dominant over him, and that took a small scrap in the yard for them to figure that out. My my boys both growl at each other in some meetings, and will wag tails and sniff in others. I just don't have any one to help me. Short of tying one to the deck and me holding the other, and I'm not sure if that would be the right solution.
This would be a cool case for Joel to take on. Bull terriers can be very hardy dogs when it comes to other dogs. A "bit" much attitude, wich can feel a little threatening for some dogs. Im not saying all are like that thoe😅
Ya know!
Interesting video. I agree with you that some dogs have a vibe that other dogs do not like and I think this dog has this, plus he is a teenager. However, Prince challenged him many times. High tail, stiff body, stands close and with his head over his back. A bit like he wants to trigger him.
I agree with you.
The dog seemed somewhat friendly at the beginning (even if standoffish) then Prince started invading his space and challenging him. He was in pursuit basically. Constant.
The dog got more nervous and stiff over time.
After the correction for the growl he started snarling and really disliking Prince
I feel in this video Prince is mainly at fault. It doesn't matter whose house it is imo.
You simply do not harass other dogs like that when the owner is there.
You wouldn't allow your dog to growl at a dog that isn't doing anything then why allow him to try and start a fight repeatedly albeit subtly.
I feel like this dog would possibly get along with a dog other than prince quite well.
@@ina7084 I also saw a half play bow in the start of the video, all interesting .
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That's the friendly part.
It was a diffusion attempt.
@@ina7084 Yes, I agree. Curious of Joel's take. He definitely has pointed out partial (half) play bows in prior videos . The next video will be interesting .
@@ina7084 what’s your thoughts on a dog who displays intermediate dominance on one meetings of other dogs by growling ( on a lose leash). Like the doodle , yet is amazing in pack of 20 dogs ??? 🤔
My golden doodle was never neutered and could never be bothered with any other dog. She just ignored other dogs and they stayed away too. Rarely came into heat
Please do more dominance vids cuz I hv a 9-month-old & tryna NOT neuter him if I don't hv to🐾❤️
Who do I payoff in the reincarnation dept. to come back as a Doberman in that backyard 😎
With the GD’s fur and not being there it’s tough to really tell how he responded. On the 1st interaction it seemed quite positive from the GD, Prince was being dominant. He came up on the doodle once and he didn’t submit or care. Then he did it a 2nd time n then you can clearly see the doodle going wtf. No, Prince didn’t growl, he definitely escalated the situation tho. My dog loves to do the same thing w/other large young males unfortunately
Joel, I have two questions!
Would you be willing to do a talking video where you discuss behaviors that indicate dominance? I have trouble explaining that dominance does equate to aggression and I feel that dominant behaviors can be so nuanced and are easily overlooked.
Also, I was wondering if you had any stories about corrections that you’ve made in the moment and later realized you would have handled differently? As someone with little experience in the dog training world, sometimes I notice mistakes I’ve made and then panic that I’ve “ruined my dog” to whatever the situation was. I was hoping you’d be able to shed some light on the process of making mistakes in training?
czcams.com/video/l6diiXmhAEM/video.html
You might find this video by Joel interesting Nicole as he talks about dominance theory in relation to training quite a bit in it 💛
Prince the one with the daddy issues
I have a spayed female doodle mix who is a month or two older and she is just like this guy. She seems to be more dominant than our male unfixed doberman.
you know what they say about doodles...
Hey Joel, my year old husky is good with other dogs but always scares them because he rushes up to them. I’ve rehearsed your leash walking method but don’t have the resources to practice with other dogs on walks so he runs up to them every time I let him meet. How can I stop him rushing up?
I’ve starting having reactivity and dominance after my year and 4 moths old was neutered (at 11 months). Before that he had no issues with any dogs. When he reacts and I correct him he gets so aggressive and tries to bite even me. It’s a bit random cause he reacts to many dogs, but not all. How to correct or what to do in such a situation?
The Goldendoodle is fluffy and cute! … I like your approach so far and seriously I don’t get it why Reddit doesn’t allow the mention of you or your channel
Prince tripping... Insecure
Joel, Please can you do a video on neutering? I noticed you mentioned it to these owners because he's coming up to a year old? But Prince isn't neutered, right? Would be interested in your take on the neutering stuff. Thanks!
He has talked several times about neutering, his opinion vs others etc...
In this case, based on his past statements on his beliefs, he is telling them to do it now, because he is a dominant dog, showing aggression and thinks that'll get worse as he gets older. Testosterone can exacerbate the issue...
If the dog didn't have any behavioral issue that was unacceptable & the owner felt they can take the annoyances of an unneutered dog... He wouldn't say anything.
@@jameschild1321 Thank you. That makes perfect sense. I couldn't find any specific videos when I searched but maybe I'm being blind, I'd be so grateful of any links to videos I might have missed?
@@TheMinimalistTherapist I found the one where he addressed his opinion on the subject directly:
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My 2yr S.Poodle (spayed) seems fine with other dogs, but if they growl at her, she launches into a fight. Is this dominance? can you suggest what I should do?
Prince did not like you being with that Goldendoodle. He kept going up to the Goldendoodle and saying, "That's my Dad." lol Goldendoodles I've seen have mostly been crazy. They love to jump on people and have tons of energy. I think a lot of people get them expecting one thing and get another (not talking about this owner, just in general). Smart + Hyper = Destruction
One time at the vet there was this big scary looking dog (could be a cane carso or pit-type) and this golden doodle came that was super out of control and was literally attacking everyone who was at the vet and kept lunging at the big dog several times, the dog kept getting pissed too but luckily it didn't fight back. Never seen that before and pretty sure its a mental goldendoodle or maybe rabbied
Prince passes close by the other dog demonstrating “this is my house, my workspace; I go where I want.” A little bit trying to instigate a response? Perhaps. But Prince wasn’t being a jerk or growling at the guest dog. They just didn’t have a good chemistry.
Poodles stand tall and proud and normally have a high tail when happy. This poodle behavior can set other dogs off. Poodle can be just happy. However, As a year old, being "too happy" especially when big, it is normal for Prince to tell the youngster off.
0:44 this dog looks IDENTICAL to mine
One of our intact male dogs has issues with SOME intact males, but far from all! He is bossy dominant and fearless I’m afraid, so only off leash in certain areas, otherwise long line. The fact that there are some dogs he does not like is just as simple as a person not loving all others they meet. It’s okay. For health reasons he will stay intact. Our other intact male dog is more laid back, a little more chill, and does not ever showed bossiness, dominance or posturing to any other dog. When off leash and we meet other dogs, he comes running back to me right away. 😅
I saw Prince be under the radar provocative when Joel was holding the Goldendoodle close and Prince walked nonchalantly between Joel and the Goldendoodle--TWICE. He was telling the Doodle who's the Big Man and who isn't. lol . QUESTION: is a dog "leash reactive" if she rushes at other dogs whether on or off leash? I don't think I really understand what leash reactive means.
Was thinkin the same. Sometimes dropping that leash either leads to more relaxed play or a fight. Tough to tell until you let it go.
Leash reactive is the dog’s behavior on leash! Off leash could be a totally different behavior IMO 🤷🏼♂️
if we could hear it we could probably understand more.
Prince only fights poodles lol.... Real tough
i would have liked to see smaller dog with the dood...... by the way, why is it a doodle, and not just golden poodle? thnx...
The Jojo and Prince are like two big dudes at the club. They dont know why they dont like each other but there is too much testosterone flowing.
If Prince could talk he’d say « My Dad. He’s my Dad. Got it dude? »
and if the doodle could talk he'd say "where am I? a dog park? there's piss everywhere from multiple dogs, we playing or am I being deterred?"😂
I've been working in the pet industry for over 10yrs, tbh I've never seen one well behaved Doodle. I'd say near every single one of them jumps on ppl. They all seem hypervigilant and can't calm down, however I've yet to see one react negatively to other dogs. Also I find that most ppl who attain this dog because they believe it's "hypoallergenic" and they have never had a dog their whole life because they are allergic to dogs. You can probably see what I'm getting at. I do recommend reading the article by the man who was actually breeding the two dogs together (Retriever & Poodle) in an attempt to produce a hypoallergenic dog, how many breedings it took to actually produce one that could be used as a service dog for an allergy client and how he regrets even doing so because of the craze it created and how "breeders" falsely claim these Golden doodles are hypoallergenic.
It is worth a read! I totally agree it started a stupid trend of mashing two different dogs together (not always with a poodle now days) giving them a cutsey mashed up name and selling them as if they aren't a cross bread, there is nothing wrong with a cross bread dog so just call it what it is!! No labskies, puggles and bernadoodles!!
As for the poodle crosses I think you are right with a lot of them having first time owners , I don't think they are aggressive or dominant by nature however the majority are terribly behaved, poor mannered dogs (not all). I have a German Shepheard and if she did to poodle x dogs, what they have done to her they would have some major issues with her, but she doesn't have curly hair so wouldn't get away with it.
He actually paired a lab and poodle together in an attempt to make hypoallergenic service dogs. But, he didn’t put much thought into the breeding outside of creating a hypoallergenic dog. There are many good doodle breeders who focus on producing dogs who are both physically and mentally healthy. Doodles, like any other breed or mixed breed, are usually great dogs if raised well. Because they can be such great family dogs and tend to not shed as much, they have become very popular and a lot people get them without knowing how to properly raise and train a dog no matter what breed it is. High strung with behavioral problems is exactly what you can expect with a high energy dog who is untrained and not exercised enough. I feel like doodles are often criticized unfairly for things that are the owners doing.
@@ivyrose779 Yes it was a Labrador Retriever, not sure why I typed Golden originally. This is the exact thing I was getting at in my comment, many of these dogs are attained by ppl who have never had dogs growing up and now this fad of a "hypoallergenic" dog comes around means they can finally have a dog. No experience, no basic compression of dog behavior, excersise requirements, proper nutrition education. This is why so many of them seem off the rails.
Poodle mixes are hard. AKC ranks a Poodle's watchdog/protective nature at the highest level, same as German Shepherds. Also needing mental stimulation at the highest level. They aren't necessarily all cute and cuddly. I have a Cavapoo (King Charles Cavalier and poodle mix) adopted her at 9 months because she was a bad fit for her original family. She is very smart, very high energy, and very protective. I love her dearly and she is so loyal and loving to me. It's been a lot of work breaking bad habits and creating good habits, and still have a ways to go. I grew up with a dog, my neighbor had mini poodles that I interacted with all my life, and I'm at a place in my life where I can devote all my attention to her, and she is still hard. Poodles and Poodle mixes are not for everyone, and yet so many breeders say they are even natured and just a great dog for the whole family. Not true!
Even though she is 3/4 poodle. She still only has wavy hair. Most people don't think she is a poodle at all. She is almost no shedding. But still a tiny bit. It's random the type of coat a dog will get.
I definitely think in this case you as the trainer may be expecting that prince is going to dominate every dog he comes across at the same time not exactly but, Like you said in your video. At 2:30 “I’m not going to blame prince because prince has to do what prince has to do because he has a job”. And at the same time the growls your talking about may be coming from the fact that the doodle still needs a bit more guidance however him being pulled around by you on a leash and having a leash around his snout in a “ dominant/ insecure situation you may be making him feel like a growl is all he can use to fend for himself and stand his own ground. If you watch closely every single time prince came up to him, prince would not back away a single inch therefore he is also being a bit of bully on his end here in this video just watch at 4:40 when prince walks up to him. You’ll see what I mean by maybe it’s because you have the doodle on a leash that the growl is his only defense at the moment. The “ badness here is not equal at all they are both dominant dogs and if you see the doodle is actually very respectful with your commands and your leash leading in every way however you can’t have a dog like prince with a very strong firm stance stand up on him and expect the other dog to just give in. This is a dominant on dominant situation and both dogs actually did pretty good here the growls I feel are of very little concern just because it’s not his home doesn’t mean he shall not stand his ground when your Doberman is coming at him with a big demeanor. The growl repeats again at 7:45 but it’s like your wanting a dominant dog to dumb down. Here in this situation I think it’s best to know that the doodle is actually just like prince in the dominant stance and that is what should be trained more than trying to make the doodle dumb down to the Doberman. If you watch the doodle is actually of happy energy even when approached by your Doberman which shows his character is actually not aggressive but just unsure. What the owners said at 8:50 “it’s funny cause it’s in a golden doodle, big and fluffy” the history of poodles is incredible they were actually bred as hunting/ retrieving dogs and heavy working dogs who require a job and a lot of exercise. And also big respects to you as a trainer what you said at 10:00 about why you didn’t leave the doodle off leash is also correct their may have been a fight but at the same time you say I also don’t think in this situation it’s fair to let the doodle get bossss around by prince because he’s also being relaxed at the same time. This was a great video I really enjoyed it and hope to hear your feedback even though you posted this video a few years back. You definitely know what your doing and I do believe out of class training and more one on one with this dog would help him become a great leader in the dog world. Some dogs are leaders others are followers. It’s how the pack works. ❤
Honest question. If he is a young dog who simply just won't put up with another dog bossing him around, and you find that respectable; is that necessarily bad?
At 2:29 mins of the video it looks like the Goldendoodle did a couple of half play bows?? Anyone else see that?
I think that stand off when Jojo barked was actually a correction by Prince without having to do anything, when jojoba barked that was him saying "OK dude you're the boss" the next time Prince walled up to him he wagged his tail, I think Prince has almost all the dogs sussed out from behind the fence before the close up meet, that's my take on it anyway, both gorgeous dogs with good temperaments in their own right.
That doodle will f prince up
Straight up! Lol
That doodle will beast on Mr stiff
U pus
People think because doodles are all fluffy they don’t have an inner beast. He would have gave prince the business.
My unneutered male has little to no dominance and thank god for that.
What if someone wants a dog aggressive dog that’s a intact male dog??
I see now, so Prince actually played his role perfectly because this is what the other dog needed fixing on.
I'm confused on the "it's his house" concept as to why Prince gets more of a pass for his posturing. What's the thinking behind this? Does the other dog know it's Prince's house? And what does that matter?
My thoughts as well. Prince is the trouble maker in this particular video. Joel doesn't want to believe it.
What does back hair going up mean?
I think it means "arousal", which could or could not lead to aggression or reactivity. I think it's a piece of the puzzle not necessarily "aggressive" on its own. Joel, correct me if I am wrong!
Ok, so we're about to get our just-over-one year-old boy nuetered, and I can absolutely confirm what you say here, Joel. Our boy had a 'bestie' on the field who he loved to play with. They played so nicely, then one day last week suddenly he didn't want to play. Guess what? He sniffed out a female, ran to her and the owner had to pull him off. He also gets 'snarly' with other intact males. It's the right thing to do 😏
I like your comment. Our Beaumont no longer has a bestie because of the same reason (only his bestie's owner chose to euthanize because their dog started being severely aggressive with their children. I will never judge their decision because I do not live in their world.) But in a perfect world, none of us would make the decision to neuter but as it is and as we are living with the results of simple 'nature' or uneducated and uncaring, greedy breeders, we are doing right by our dogs and trying to keep them and people safe. If you can train the dominance an aggression out, great, but if that is not possible, we do what we have to do. We too our facing the same decision to neuter and have stopped the surgery before simply because his growth plates weren't closed and he wasn't mature enough to have it done. But once we have tried all training options and he is mature enough, we will do what is right for the dog and for our family and those that come in contact with our dog. (He's 16 months old now.) He is very well trained and very well behaved, other than typical puppy stuff. I appreciate your honesty and enjoy your posts.
@@busterandnonna5214 thank-you. Sad to hear about your dog's friend. We have spoken with many other owners and actually had only one advise against nuetering, and he admitted that the first 3 years of his dog's life were hell for them both. Nuff said. 😐
Golden doodles have the worst owners every time
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Looks like to me Prince was resource-guarding you----the way he kept walking in between you & JoJo. Maybe it was JoJo's size that put Prince kinda on edge?
There is a reason why pretty much 99% of daycare/boarding facilities do not allow a non fixed dog into the yard to romp with the pack. The dog is definitely dominant and it could potentially get worse. He also has a bit of anxiety. Those two together are hard to deal with.